Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:40 am
So in the last game I played here, there was a mad scramble to organize at EoD and it allowed mafia to openly make scummy plays. Can we not do that again??
No.
apparently not.
i'm not going to be around for the last 3h before EoD by the way. so you lot have fun misyeeting some random sap who doesn't even have any scum equity. good luck!!!
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm
Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison
Which one is your preferred chop?
I'd vote Alison more since I have meta on her and feel more confident on that than 112. I'm willing to give a bit more time to protocultures since he's trying to reach out to me.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm
Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear
How were my reasons to suspect proto unclear? I pointed out a specific post that I found hedgy and said that his use of meta was weirding me out.
(k to be fair maybe the last part was a bit vague, in better words I think he's slightly twisting meta to fit purposes that are agenda-y.)
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm
Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear
Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.
I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.
Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.
Disagree with your interpretation on proto/Amy being ""easy"" pushes, proto scum idea has been thrown around but he has literally 0 vote on him and Amy is mostly consensus townread, Mac already retracted his scumread almost immediately after and Nanook was just sheeping him so meh.
It feels like you're purposefully being a bit off track to start a push/discredit/discourage people that are scumreading them. For example, you've mentioned me as someone who has pushed proto but that's pretty much it, you're mostly casting shade on a kinda nebulous pool of players without actually digging in them.
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:48 pm
ok anyone other than alison
it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me
your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever
I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.
I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.
Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.
*insert TMI read*
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:16 am
@Carotenoid
I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?
hmn I mean, I'm not saying Sabie is wrong but from what I've seen from tedxtr in Pyre and you from Space Invaders/Lion King you're not similar at all. You said you've looked at previous games from him, which games is it? Do you have a read on him outside of "meta"?
Also, you said you disagreed with my readlist. What exactly are you disagreeing with?
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:21 pm
by Carotenoid
[VOTE:
Alison] aubergine
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:22 pm
by tutuu
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:24 pm
by tutuu
Colin ur mafia dude
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:25 pm
by ColinIsCool
I will vote Alison before I vote Turbup/Wilgy. That slot is as town as Frankfort, Kentucky
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:26 pm
by ColinIsCool
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:04 am
Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy
if its not him it has to be 10k calories
“Here are things Colin did”
[SLIDE MISSING]
“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:28 pm
by ColinIsCool
“making a post by post case is scummy”. Don’t mess with me today tutuu I woke up and had a 10-piece McNugget for breakfast so I am fucking ON one
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?
huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:40 pm
by ColinIsCool
10K is like the least helpful vote ever. There is nothing besides a maybe-serious-suspicion of tutuu in there. Easy vote for a chop that gets nobody nowhere
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?
huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!
I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:44 pm
by tutuu
My final post for today
tutuu = town
amy = town
mcdougall = town
carotte = town
urist = town
tonystark = town
112 = probably town
protocultures = probably town
tedxtr = probably town
turnip head = probably town
nanook = honestly idk, but if alison maf he def town
10k calories = lol
colin = probably mafia
alison = mafia
nutella = mafia
eod is 3 am my time maybe ill swing in to vote but not guaranteed
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?
huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!
I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.
hah rip, it would have been cool
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:59 pm
by Alison
not sure how much I'll be around EOD so I'm just going to [VOTE:
112] aubergine for self pres even though I'd slightly prefer Wilgy. But 112 is a fine exe anyway so it's cool.
I'm fairly sure there's at least 1 and probably more than 1 wolf on my wagon because, like, the case against me is awful so I'm just going to assume it's made up
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:00 pm
by Alison
Also I just want it here for the record that all of the players who think they can meta read me have been painfully wrong this game and should never try meta reading me again in the future
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:04 am
Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy
if its not him it has to be 10k calories
“Here are things Colin did”
[SLIDE MISSING]
“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:04 am
Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy
if its not him it has to be 10k calories
“Here are things Colin did”
[SLIDE MISSING]
“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”
strawmanning is always wolfy
No it's not.
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:42 pm
by Alison
I wish I'd thought of this meme earlier because the optimal timing to post it is over but it's still funny
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:47 pm
by nutella
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:31 am
Does it? Just seems dumb to me.
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?
huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!
I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.
You could chat with our tech mod boo about it -- he made a bot account for testing stuff like this
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:52 pm
by nutella
Still don't really get why anyone suspects alison, in my experience she's like a coin flip lmao
Just yeet 112
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:55 pm
by tutuu
I thought she was obvious town for u nutella-chan
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:02 pm
by nutella
Yeah I thought that for a while but figure she's probably not out of her scum range here because her scum range is incredible, I just think she's town
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:04 am
Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy
if its not him it has to be 10k calories
“Here are things Colin did”
[SLIDE MISSING]
“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”
strawmanning is always wolfy
Show me where the straw man is then
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:47 pm
by Alison
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:52 pm
Still don't really get why anyone suspects alison, in my experience she's like a coin flip lmao
Just yeet 112
Out of the people voting me:
tutuu thinks that I'm W/W with you being I was insufficiently offended that you called me a good player and I'm nitpicking just like in Space Invaders (so meta read)
Carotte thinks I'm casting shade on the people voting Amy and proto, and the way I was attacking tutuu reminded her of the way I acted in Space Invaders (so meta read)
nanook's reasons are still unclear but he scumread me for the third post I made in D0 or something, and hasn't changed his mind on that
Urist is scumreading me because he didn't like that I voted the same person as someone else I scumread
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:48 pm
by Alison
(all of these reasons are pretty bad)
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:27 pm
by tutuu
alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:38 pm
by Urist
test
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:49 pm
by Alison
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:27 pm
alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)
1) Homura was totally in the right in that fight
2) Homura won that fight and would have won it even harder if not for the fact that Mami was given a serious advantage due to tying the ribbon to her at the start of the fight. If it had been conducted on even ground it would have been a one-sided beatdown. But even with a major handicap Homura managed to come out ahead at the end.
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:52 pm
by Amy
i'll be around near eod probs
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:58 pm
by Urist
test
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:00 pm
by Alison
Amy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:52 pm
i'll be around near eod probs
I won't, I'm busy with uni admission stuff and I have to attend a Zoom meeting around that time. I might be able to sneak a couple of posts in between breaks or whatever, but I can't promise I'll be here the entire time.
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:27 pm
alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)
1) Homura was totally in the right in that fight
2) Homura won that fight and would have won it even harder if not for the fact that Mami was given a serious advantage due to tying the ribbon to her at the start of the fight. If it had been conducted on even ground it would have been a one-sided beatdown. But even with a major handicap Homura managed to come out ahead at the end.
1) nitpick
2) your mafia X D
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm
by Alison
all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there
Re: Amdibals at the Zoo! [Day 1]
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:13 pm
by tutuu
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm
all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there
so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm
Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison
Which one is your preferred chop?
I'd vote Alison more since I have meta on her and feel more confident on that than 112. I'm willing to give a bit more time to protocultures since he's trying to reach out to me.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm
Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear
How were my reasons to suspect proto unclear? I pointed out a specific post that I found hedgy and said that his use of meta was weirding me out.
(k to be fair maybe the last part was a bit vague, in better words I think he's slightly twisting meta to fit purposes that are agenda-y.)
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm
Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear
Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.
I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.
Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.
Disagree with your interpretation on proto/Amy being ""easy"" pushes, proto scum idea has been thrown around but he has literally 0 vote on him and Amy is mostly consensus townread, Mac already retracted his scumread almost immediately after and Nanook was just sheeping him so meh.
It feels like you're purposefully being a bit off track to start a push/discredit/discourage people that are scumreading them. For example, you've mentioned me as someone who has pushed proto but that's pretty much it, you're mostly casting shade on a kinda nebulous pool of players without actually digging in them.
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:48 pm
ok anyone other than alison
it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me
your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever
I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.
I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.
Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.
*insert TMI read*
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:16 am
@Carotenoid
I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?
hmn I mean, I'm not saying Sabie is wrong but from what I've seen from tedxtr in Pyre and you from Space Invaders/Lion King you're not similar at all. You said you've looked at previous games from him, which games is it? Do you have a read on him outside of "meta"?
Also, you said you disagreed with my readlist. What exactly are you disagreeing with?
Think it was in Lionking. Ted subbed in and I was commenting in spec chat that I thought their post style was similar to mine. You can come to your own views I guess. Cant really link a discord chat in a server I have left - you just need to take my word for it - or think i am fabricating the read.
re your reads list,
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm
I'm here at the moment:
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm
all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there
so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm
all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there
so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?
thats nice
no? I said homura was in the right
so why is it stupid to compare it to that fight. isnt alison also in the right?
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm
all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there
so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?
thats nice
no? I said homura was in the right
so why is it stupid to compare it to that fight. isnt alison also in the right?
because it disproves the point you're trying to make by showcasing me as being in the right :P
