The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:50 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm Not really a fan of this wagon formation. At least the Tony wagon looks real pure.

Wat.

The TSP wagon looks /fine/. That's it.

And like I don't know which wagon you're referring to.

But take a look at the HK wagon. Now THAT is pure.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:13 pm Ok, why though?
Like I'm thinking back to the spec chat game where I did some crafty setup for a future chop on town as wolf before I went over, townies bought it, and we went on to win the game. Hard defense of someone town as wolf is something that should be in every wolves repertoire, yeah? Especially because it leads into situations like this.
And, in my experience, when done correctly it's generally a wolf that brings it back up after a day or two so that they can look solving while susing town and not getting any heat back from it.

'I did this thing one time and therefore Radishes is mafia.'

Makes sense.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:51 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:41 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:07 am Marmot ISO:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:30 pm Hazelnuuuuuuuuut!!! who is on your team?

Not you apparently

ngl, I do miss this team

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:33 pm

Made, LC, Hyena, and Marmot

If DrWilgy is mafia these are all town.

This isn't how DrWilgy works. If he's mafia here, than I'm mafia here.

This kind of looks egregious considering marmot made the same statement with cat, which I quoted earlier in the thread.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:11 am @MacDougall I vote group 1.

I do think tutuu's scum this game, so I don't want to give her immunity.

starts scumreading tutuu for some inexplicable reason. I looked back and the read seemed like a joke and there was no serious interactions between himself and tutuu, nor did marmot ever vote there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:32 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:31 am
Ask nutella. She's giving out snap reads like candy.

Last I saw Syn was wolf reading Nutella, so if she snaps at him it's not likely to be pretty.

So it sounds like we have a nututuu team. Noted.

Shades tutuu again, but yet still doesn't vote in tutuu's direction.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:28 pm

What are your reads? Do you think they're shit?

Alison, Michelle, MR = bad guys


No I don't, but then I remember that New! Coke was a thing, and those guys didn't think it sucked til the whole world told them, and now I wonder if I'm the new New! Coke

You lost me at "soda was a thing".

I agree on MR. The amount of on topic content I've seen from him is alarming.

Starts to shade Radishes

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 pm I think that Kyle is Mafia; the way he's constantly talking about having to catch up is a way I've seen Mafia do, can't really argument it; it's just how I've seen it; I think there are other people who groan at having to catch up but they aren't following it so faithfully / they meme from time to time / they still give reads from time to time.

I think the way Kyle is approaching this is wolfy and he's constantly reminding us that he's trying to read every post (which I believe him that he is) but that's busywork IMO and he's mafia.

You're right, I don't recall Kyle doing this. I think he tends to post off-topic rather than complaining about catching up.

I'mma look him up in other big games as a townie player.

marmot puts his hand in the honey jar, and starts throwing dirt in kyle's location.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm I am so lost, can someone catch me up. Why are we voting 112 now?

THIS IS A FUCKING LOST WOLF SOFT OR MY NAME ISNT TUTUU

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I SWEAR TO GOD THIS IS A LOST WOLF SOFT CLAIM

You know what

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Marmot seemingly dropped his scum read on tutuu out of nowhere, and then joins tutuu on a Made wagon. I get the impression that marmot was trying to pocket tutuu

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:53 pm

goldeneye was good for its time but has been surpassed in its genre ten times over.

Ok, this guy prolly still town. Only a towny could still be so wrong

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:50 pm im not sure why im not getting more townreads as #2 poster, i feel like i'm out of my scumrange but it's possible i'm not as obvious bc i'm distracted by work and stuff

This is so scummy, nutella might be town

Do you normally give TWTBW reads falcon. You gave two of them back-to-back here.

Begins to shade falcon

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:10 pm I think Thunal is the only town player in the game

Probably just TMI, and getting thunal/HK on side

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 am Tutuu is actually le town.

Nope.

I don't see a solving mindset there.

Starts to scum read tutuu again and throws shade in that direction? even though Marmot agreed with two of tutuu's reads on both Made & kyle (quoted above). It feels like marmot was trying to pocket tutuu but was trying to ensure she remained firmly in the PoE.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:45 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:17 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:12 pm @dyachei you said you want two votes and received Marmot's
If you need another one, i'll give you mine

i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy

This post feels kinda manipulative. Why don't you want to entertain outside of these two?

That said, I agree that cat's posts are pretty scummy, but I disagree on Thunal.

I think this post shows potential in the theory that cat was ruthlessly bussed D1.

Another possibility of TMI on thunal to look good as she was starting to become a wagon at this point iiirc. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:23 pm

Um tutuu, are you dismissing me?

you asked me to not respond but i cant not respond, i dont understand why

dismissal is a negative word, i dont view me challenging your read as something thats negative

I disagree about word usage and expression, I think that is a great way to catch mafia. I mean, I'm not very good at catching mafia, but I've had more recent success in this way.

Maybe I misunderstood your tone, but it didn't feel like a challenge. I thought you were saying "Yes Marmot, good try, but it's wrong, go try again". Were you implying something else?

I think these set of posts look good for tutuu.

tutuu sounds genuinely confused and these set of posts don't come across as fake.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.

This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:12 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Awkward scumread and vote on falcon. I think marmot tried and failed to save Cat d1, despite previously calling them scum. GTH I don't think falcon/marmot/cat are partners.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm Cat's ISO looks meh. Their earlier posts don't look great, particularly the one where Sloonei asked for their reads. Their response to the case from Mac (and others) looked better. But they didn't really leave much of a legacy aside from Sloonei grilling them for reads.

I'm also happy voting falcon.


I will not be voting for Thunal though. The overtly formal nature of their approach being a sign of scum is a read I disagree with.

He really didn't want cat to fall d1, and was trying to get people to move over to falcon and downplay the scumreads on cat.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:03 pm Why do people want to bake Tutuu now that I'm actually townreading her??

Starts townreading tutuu now? I tried going through a reason for the change in read but I couldn't see why or when he changed the read. tutuu was starting to gain traction and I think there is a pattern between her and thunal/HK. Marmot was happy for those wagons to go-ahead, tried to take town cred if/when they flipped town but didn't really try to stop either of the wagon from progressing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:17 pm and look at the two mafia br0z on falcon loooool

This is the way

Marmot was on falcon at this point. I can't remember who the second person

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:26 pm I'm in the middle of ISO'ing Martin, and the most egregious thing I can see thus far are his heavy attempts to defend tutuu.

Continuing reading.

And now marmot shades Martin for hard defending tutuu. In hindsight, it really did feel like he was being a goldilocks

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:05 am I read falcon's Day 2 and don't feel any better about it

There were 4 posts, but I won't tell you how long it took.

meh

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:48 pm [imagine big tutuu spinning anime girl gif and big flashy text with sparkles and stuff]

THE MAFIA ARE MARTIN MARMOT DYSLEXICON LONGCON AND TONYSTARKPRIME


[dab]

If Dizzy is scum, I'm just giving up now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:45 pm I also think I see what nutella's saying. Everyone feels townie rn.

Except Syn.

Syn is already part of the towncore and I think this adds a further reason to why I believe he is town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:24 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:22 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

I hope marmot gets yeeted and he flips mafia and im next. I want out please

Are you not having fun? I want you to have fun.

I don't think marmot faked this meaning he seemed genuinely surprised by tutuu who was implying she wasn't having fun, which to me implies they are probably not wolves together. Marmot would know if tutuu was faking the not having fun post if they were wolves together due to being in scumchat, and I genuinely believe in the surprised tone from marmot, as well as believing tutuu when she stated she wasn't having fun.

In summary:

I think tutuu looks pretty good from reading marmot's iso. He keeps flip-flopping on the read whenever it suited him. He was scumreading tutuu, but then agreed on two of the votes/progressions she made on D1, and then randomly scumread again accusing her of not trying to solve the game? It felt like he was trying to pocket, but ensure she remained in the PoE whenever someone else would go and townread her. Marmot townread thunal/hk and tutuu when their wagons were beginning to gain traction, and yet did absolutely nothing to steer town away from either wagon, and I believe he was trying to go for the free towncred when they flipped. So I think this looks good for both HK and tutuu. Marmot and tutuu's interactions do not feel faked or wolf theatre.

Marmot's vote on falcon is awkward, and I think he was trying to get people to move off from cat and lynch falcon instead. I think this is important because marmot wasn't really trying to save either tutuu or thunal/hk as previously mentioned. This means this is a good look for falcon at the moment.

I think wilgy has partner potential, but I think it might be a dumb read as it's only based off the cat post I posted early and similarities it had with the wilgy post I quoted in the spoilers.

I disagree with your conclusions on tutuu being spewed town by marmot, but that's fine, i guess. I think there could still be partners there.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:33 pm tutuu

6
26%

Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Long Con, Michelle, nutella, Timsup2nothin, hollowkatt

I think no matter tutuu's AI. this wagon contains a wolf.

I wish for an alignament cop to check Nanook, Tim or HK, in this order
Nutella is volume cleared and Mac flipping villager means he had a good read for her
Long Con is a soul town read, who thinks I am wrong should tell me why.

I agree with your order in regards to the alignment cop. Though tbh I think hk is spewed town from reading marmots iso

Do you mind elaborating on the town read with Long Con? Unless it's just a gut read.

The bold above indicates you also thought at one point I was spewed town by marmot, what changed and when/why?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:57 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:56 pm

i think it will be a night action

or eod but i think it allows or disallows a night action

Come vote me tutuu!!!!

but whyyyy u have the same alignment as i do

Unlikely to be wolf theatre

Here you say the above is unlikely to be w/w theater but then HERE you say opposite:

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm I'm a little unsettled that Dizzy isn't immediately townreading me like he usually does.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I wonder why.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking

could this be w/w?

I think it could be

What gives, and what is the difference for you?
Kinda reads like you can't make up your mind if I'm spewed town or if I'm hard partnered, but either way the inconsistency with how you're treating my slot vs how you're treating tutuu is weird and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Context matters.

When tutuu/Marmot were saying there thing it was right at the end of the phase, and marmot was about to die.

Marmot and thunal on the other, it was the middle of day 1, and when I quizzed marmot on why he kept your vote on there, his response was: "These things happen".

I did think you were spewed by marmot, but then I read sloonei's case and I started having doubts on my conclusion, and plus I disagreed with several of your reads, in regards to tutuu and marmot.

gotcha, thanks. I'll go read the sloonei case then.
Last question for now: does disagreement automatically indicate wolf to you then? Because that's what your last comment sounds like.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:51 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:03 am ok to shoot:
112 (if not chop), drwilgy, dyslexicon, falcon, jack, marmot, nanook, tsp

@ towncore feel free to remove names, i'd maybe remove dizzy and falcon atp

tim, shoot in these. don't be a neg util hero shooter. thanks

I'd be fine with a shot in that pool

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:23 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:00 pm There are some pretty heavy hitters (ie, people who claim to be reading and ISOing who post quotes and stuff) pushing back on the Tutuu and Falcon wagons...but nothing else seems to gain any traction at all. Is it just me, or does that feel like wolves have settled on a strat of holding TvT wagons in place?

Do you think there's a wolf being voted for then currently?
Looks like wagons are:
112
Wiggly
falcon
LC
Sloonei
HK
TSP
tutuu

Of those I like LC for town, TSP seems ok, haven't gotten anything on sloonei or wiggly, would sheep the 112 arguments, and really still want to brutally day murder tutuu
Falcon wagon comp: I like nutella there, and kinda Radish, and kinda tedxtr

Huh, townreads TSP but is also ok with shooting TSP

yeah why not?
I can understand why a chunk of people I think are town think TSP could be a good shot. Just b/c I town lean there doesn't make me right and them wrong, and if they're picking up on things I'm not seeing good on them.

I dunno, I just find it at odds with town reading players and being cool with them getting killed as well

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:38 am tutuu is just like "you have to assume roles on the syndicate are as maximally bizarre as possible"

i promise u epi is not quite that insane

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:51 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:41 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:07 am Marmot ISO:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:30 pm

Not you apparently

ngl, I do miss this team

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:34 pm

If DrWilgy is mafia these are all town.

This isn't how DrWilgy works. If he's mafia here, than I'm mafia here.

This kind of looks egregious considering marmot made the same statement with cat, which I quoted earlier in the thread.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:11 am @MacDougall I vote group 1.

I do think tutuu's scum this game, so I don't want to give her immunity.

starts scumreading tutuu for some inexplicable reason. I looked back and the read seemed like a joke and there was no serious interactions between himself and tutuu, nor did marmot ever vote there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:32 am

Last I saw Syn was wolf reading Nutella, so if she snaps at him it's not likely to be pretty.

So it sounds like we have a nututuu team. Noted.

Shades tutuu again, but yet still doesn't vote in tutuu's direction.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:39 pm

Alison, Michelle, MR = bad guys


No I don't, but then I remember that New! Coke was a thing, and those guys didn't think it sucked til the whole world told them, and now I wonder if I'm the new New! Coke

You lost me at "soda was a thing".

I agree on MR. The amount of on topic content I've seen from him is alarming.

Starts to shade Radishes

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 pm I think that Kyle is Mafia; the way he's constantly talking about having to catch up is a way I've seen Mafia do, can't really argument it; it's just how I've seen it; I think there are other people who groan at having to catch up but they aren't following it so faithfully / they meme from time to time / they still give reads from time to time.

I think the way Kyle is approaching this is wolfy and he's constantly reminding us that he's trying to read every post (which I believe him that he is) but that's busywork IMO and he's mafia.

You're right, I don't recall Kyle doing this. I think he tends to post off-topic rather than complaining about catching up.

I'mma look him up in other big games as a townie player.

marmot puts his hand in the honey jar, and starts throwing dirt in kyle's location.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:07 pm

THIS IS A FUCKING LOST WOLF SOFT OR MY NAME ISNT TUTUU

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I SWEAR TO GOD THIS IS A LOST WOLF SOFT CLAIM

You know what

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Marmot seemingly dropped his scum read on tutuu out of nowhere, and then joins tutuu on a Made wagon. I get the impression that marmot was trying to pocket tutuu

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:17 pm

Ok, this guy prolly still town. Only a towny could still be so wrong

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:20 pm

This is so scummy, nutella might be town

Do you normally give TWTBW reads falcon. You gave two of them back-to-back here.

Begins to shade falcon

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:10 pm I think Thunal is the only town player in the game

Probably just TMI, and getting thunal/HK on side

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 am Tutuu is actually le town.

Nope.

I don't see a solving mindset there.

Starts to scum read tutuu again and throws shade in that direction? even though Marmot agreed with two of tutuu's reads on both Made & kyle (quoted above). It feels like marmot was trying to pocket tutuu but was trying to ensure she remained firmly in the PoE.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:45 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:17 pm

i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy

This post feels kinda manipulative. Why don't you want to entertain outside of these two?

That said, I agree that cat's posts are pretty scummy, but I disagree on Thunal.

I think this post shows potential in the theory that cat was ruthlessly bussed D1.

Another possibility of TMI on thunal to look good as she was starting to become a wagon at this point iiirc. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:41 pm

you asked me to not respond but i cant not respond, i dont understand why

dismissal is a negative word, i dont view me challenging your read as something thats negative

I disagree about word usage and expression, I think that is a great way to catch mafia. I mean, I'm not very good at catching mafia, but I've had more recent success in this way.

Maybe I misunderstood your tone, but it didn't feel like a challenge. I thought you were saying "Yes Marmot, good try, but it's wrong, go try again". Were you implying something else?

I think these set of posts look good for tutuu.

tutuu sounds genuinely confused and these set of posts don't come across as fake.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm

This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:12 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Awkward scumread and vote on falcon. I think marmot tried and failed to save Cat d1, despite previously calling them scum. GTH I don't think falcon/marmot/cat are partners.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm Cat's ISO looks meh. Their earlier posts don't look great, particularly the one where Sloonei asked for their reads. Their response to the case from Mac (and others) looked better. But they didn't really leave much of a legacy aside from Sloonei grilling them for reads.

I'm also happy voting falcon.


I will not be voting for Thunal though. The overtly formal nature of their approach being a sign of scum is a read I disagree with.

He really didn't want cat to fall d1, and was trying to get people to move over to falcon and downplay the scumreads on cat.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:03 pm Why do people want to bake Tutuu now that I'm actually townreading her??

Starts townreading tutuu now? I tried going through a reason for the change in read but I couldn't see why or when he changed the read. tutuu was starting to gain traction and I think there is a pattern between her and thunal/HK. Marmot was happy for those wagons to go-ahead, tried to take town cred if/when they flipped town but didn't really try to stop either of the wagon from progressing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:18 pm

This is the way

Marmot was on falcon at this point. I can't remember who the second person

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:26 pm I'm in the middle of ISO'ing Martin, and the most egregious thing I can see thus far are his heavy attempts to defend tutuu.

Continuing reading.

And now marmot shades Martin for hard defending tutuu. In hindsight, it really did feel like he was being a goldilocks

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:05 am I read falcon's Day 2 and don't feel any better about it

There were 4 posts, but I won't tell you how long it took.

meh

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:48 pm [imagine big tutuu spinning anime girl gif and big flashy text with sparkles and stuff]

THE MAFIA ARE MARTIN MARMOT DYSLEXICON LONGCON AND TONYSTARKPRIME


[dab]

If Dizzy is scum, I'm just giving up now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:45 pm I also think I see what nutella's saying. Everyone feels townie rn.

Except Syn.

Syn is already part of the towncore and I think this adds a further reason to why I believe he is town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:24 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:22 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

I hope marmot gets yeeted and he flips mafia and im next. I want out please

Are you not having fun? I want you to have fun.

I don't think marmot faked this meaning he seemed genuinely surprised by tutuu who was implying she wasn't having fun, which to me implies they are probably not wolves together. Marmot would know if tutuu was faking the not having fun post if they were wolves together due to being in scumchat, and I genuinely believe in the surprised tone from marmot, as well as believing tutuu when she stated she wasn't having fun.

In summary:

I think tutuu looks pretty good from reading marmot's iso. He keeps flip-flopping on the read whenever it suited him. He was scumreading tutuu, but then agreed on two of the votes/progressions she made on D1, and then randomly scumread again accusing her of not trying to solve the game? It felt like he was trying to pocket, but ensure she remained in the PoE whenever someone else would go and townread her. Marmot townread thunal/hk and tutuu when their wagons were beginning to gain traction, and yet did absolutely nothing to steer town away from either wagon, and I believe he was trying to go for the free towncred when they flipped. So I think this looks good for both HK and tutuu. Marmot and tutuu's interactions do not feel faked or wolf theatre.

Marmot's vote on falcon is awkward, and I think he was trying to get people to move off from cat and lynch falcon instead. I think this is important because marmot wasn't really trying to save either tutuu or thunal/hk as previously mentioned. This means this is a good look for falcon at the moment.

I think wilgy has partner potential, but I think it might be a dumb read as it's only based off the cat post I posted early and similarities it had with the wilgy post I quoted in the spoilers.

I disagree with your conclusions on tutuu being spewed town by marmot, but that's fine, i guess. I think there could still be partners there.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:33 pm tutuu

6
26%

Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Long Con, Michelle, nutella, Timsup2nothin, hollowkatt

I think no matter tutuu's AI. this wagon contains a wolf.

I wish for an alignament cop to check Nanook, Tim or HK, in this order
Nutella is volume cleared and Mac flipping villager means he had a good read for her
Long Con is a soul town read, who thinks I am wrong should tell me why.

I agree with your order in regards to the alignment cop. Though tbh I think hk is spewed town from reading marmots iso

Do you mind elaborating on the town read with Long Con? Unless it's just a gut read.

The bold above indicates you also thought at one point I was spewed town by marmot, what changed and when/why?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:57 pm

Come vote me tutuu!!!!

but whyyyy u have the same alignment as i do

Unlikely to be wolf theatre

Here you say the above is unlikely to be w/w theater but then HERE you say opposite:

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:13 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:22 pm

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I wonder why.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking

could this be w/w?

I think it could be

What gives, and what is the difference for you?
Kinda reads like you can't make up your mind if I'm spewed town or if I'm hard partnered, but either way the inconsistency with how you're treating my slot vs how you're treating tutuu is weird and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Context matters.

When tutuu/Marmot were saying there thing it was right at the end of the phase, and marmot was about to die.

Marmot and thunal on the other, it was the middle of day 1, and when I quizzed marmot on why he kept your vote on there, his response was: "These things happen".

I did think you were spewed by marmot, but then I read sloonei's case and I started having doubts on my conclusion, and plus I disagreed with several of your reads, in regards to tutuu and marmot.

gotcha, thanks. I'll go read the sloonei case then.
Last question for now: does disagreement automatically indicate wolf to you then? Because that's what your last comment sounds like.

Depends on if their reasons are strong enough. Apart from nutella and Syn, Radishes and tutuu are two of my top towns, so it legit concerns me when I somebody wanting to chop two of my top townies for meh reasons.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:35 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:38 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:34 pm Okay so this reaction from TSP, Tutuu and Sloonei to my Thunal case. Is precisely why Made is outed mafia for his reaction to my pushing Cat. @nutella

there's a frickin cat in this game?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:47 pm why are we chopping cat

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:53 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:17 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:12 pm @dyachei you said you want two votes and received Marmot's
If you need another one, i'll give you mine

i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy

bad vibes

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:11 pm [VOTE: cat] aubergine

smh

This progression sucks. Possible wolf.

1) Derp clear me cause I didn’t know cat was in the game.
2) Interested in the Cat case
3) Shades a townie saying they suspect Cat
4) Votes Cat after having said absolutely nothing about Cat. TMI.

Tbf on point 4, I didn’t check if Tony like hated the cw or something.

hm u actually rite tho

I was subtle about this earlier but it bears noting: tbf on point 4, I /voted for Cat on day 2 after he flipped wolf/. so yes, I did have tmi. he had flipped wolf.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:26 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:50 pm HK wanting to chop two of my top towns is a huge red flag for me

Why? Are your townreads supported by actual facts that you have laid out in front of HK?

I want to shoot Made. Nutella is mad at me because she TRs Made. I tell her to prove her case, and she points out that I town read her as if that means I have to just assume she's right. That's kinda what you are doing here. Just because you town read them doesn't make them lock towns above suspicion for other people.

That said.

@hollowkatt

The Marmot flip revealed that he had this weird Tetris based power. The Sloonei silencing shows that the wolves do have some way to use the powers of their dead. Radish claims to have been Tetris challenged. This I think is clearing, at least for now, so chop an onion or something instead of the Radish.

If you're a wolf and Radish is town you don't say this. you let me stay there b/c it looks meh and gets me negative attention from other townies making me a viable push later.
If you're a wolf and Radish is also a wolf you also don't say this, you let me vanity wagon b/c I don't have the thread presence and force of will to get people to follow me.

Therefore, you are not a wolf.

Well that was easy, Tim isn't a wolf guys, solved that for you.

If you're town and you think Radish is a wolf you also don't say that (which you did, because you don't)

You also don't say that if either 112 or TSP is a wolf with you because I've already indicated I think you're town and I think nutella is town, and those two players are the two people you two are voting for, so adding to those wagons instead of guiding me towards a mischop would be your goal here. So again, you're not a wolf with either of those two should they flip.

Finally, I like the TSP wagon composition more than the 112
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:55 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:48 am What's going on with Dr Wilgy?

Yeah, why shouldn't why yeet Wilgy? Also, why shouldn't we yeet Jack?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:20 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:50 pm HK wanting to chop two of my top towns is a huge red flag for me

I assume radish and tutuu? Nobody has been able to explain to me why/how tutuu has to be town here, all I'm getting is "that's just tutuu" which is probably fine for the people who are vv familiar with them. For people who aren't (read me) that's not enough. Basically you're saying "HK, accept on faith that tutuu is town" and I'm saying "no"

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:33 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:55 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:48 am What's going on with Dr Wilgy?

Yeah, why shouldn't why yeet Wilgy? Also, why shouldn't we yeet Jack?

What's your case against Jack?

I don't have one, I just don't have a reason to find him town so I was wondering if others have reasons. If Jack is bad, how do we find him?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:56 pm So I'm gonna be out for a chunk of time this time, and I leave you with this:

We got a couple of wolves, which is great. They were both pretty wide consensus agreement slaughters, which is really great and made the game feel easy.

The game is not actually easy. There is very likely not going to be a high posting active player who just revealed heavy wolfiness that we can all (or mostly all) agree on. This is shaping up to be one of those days where we make a decisive and divisive chop. We may be right or we may be wrong, and being on the right or wrong side of history is going to have lasting consequences.

I think TSP has a fair chance of being a hit, and i also acknowledge it as a cowardly way out. Low content poster who actively says he isn't gonna contribute a lot to solving the game kind of invites that. I can't make a "TSP is a wolf" case, but no one can make a case that TSP is town so a chop there is sort of a delaying action. I am taking it because i think there has been a pretty strong "no that's not a wolf" case made against every significant wagon so far.

Game is hard. Good luck.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:57 pm It might be a dumb read, but I honestly think TSP is town for not submitting his ability.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:56 pm So I'm gonna be out for a chunk of time this time, and I leave you with this:

We got a couple of wolves, which is great. They were both pretty wide consensus agreement slaughters, which is really great and made the game feel easy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm Pretty sure Wilgy is legitimately volume cleared

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:13 pm Ok, why though?
Like I'm thinking back to the spec chat game where I did some crafty setup for a future chop on town as wolf before I went over, townies bought it, and we went on to win the game. Hard defense of someone town as wolf is something that should be in every wolves repertoire, yeah? Especially because it leads into situations like this.
And, in my experience, when done correctly it's generally a wolf that brings it back up after a day or two so that they can look solving while susing town and not getting any heat back from it.

'I did this thing one time and therefore Radishes is mafia.'

Makes sense.

Wow, that's reductive and unhelpful! Good job

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm 4-4-4-4 again aaa

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm Pretty sure Wilgy is legitimately volume cleared

not a thing, hes been active as wolf before

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:56 pm So I'm gonna be out for a chunk of time this time, and I leave you with this:

We got a couple of wolves, which is great. They were both pretty wide consensus agreement slaughters, which is really great and made the game feel easy.

No, your narrative does not hold water. Cat was a consensus agreement, but Marmot was not. With less than an hour to go before EoD (iirc) the wagons were 7/7 Tim/Martin and Marmot had 0 votes. The only reason Marmot got chopped is because (a) Syn/me/Nutella all clearly harboured suspicions and so started up a last minute wagon, and (b) nutella badgered a few extra people to vote for him.

I'm ignoring the rest of this post of yours because there's so much I find ick about it but I've come to learn that's not a tell for you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:56 pm So I'm gonna be out for a chunk of time this time, and I leave you with this:

We got a couple of wolves, which is great. They were both pretty wide consensus agreement slaughters, which is really great and made the game feel easy.

No, your narrative does not hold water. Cat was a consensus agreement, but Marmot was not. With less than an hour to go before EoD (iirc) the wagons were 7/7 Tim/Martin and Marmot had 0 votes. The only reason Marmot got chopped is because (a) Syn/me/Nutella all clearly harboured suspicions and so started up a last minute wagon, and (b) nutella badgered a few extra people to vote for him.

I'm ignoring the rest of this post of yours because there's so much I find ick about it but I've come to learn that's not a tell for you.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:05 pm Not against a Tim counterwagon tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:56 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:07 am Does Nanook typically vote with no explanation?

Yes

Who are you sheeping?

Nutes

Why nutella? Do you often sheep her, are you 2 home slices, or is it specific to this game?

Mac’s dead

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:57 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:47 pmthis is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:09 pm I just don't like the TSP or Wilgy wagons purely on principle. Those are wagons supported by people who don't know where else to reasonably push, either lost townies or nervous wolves hoping for their first mischop.

Like maybe one is scum - there's no strong reason to really think either is town - but I just don't like going there when we have so many people left in the game who are not cleared town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

sheeping radish

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:08 pm Eh Radishes, why is JPIC town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:11 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:57 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:47 pmthis is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

hk is the biggest bone but honestly this is so town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:08 pm Eh Radishes, why is JPIC town?

Because he is. Everything he does bleeds green. He's active, focused, having fun, solving on his own, following others when he likes their ideas, mostly serious and focused but with moments of levity when it strikes his fancy, not afraid to respond to anything from anyone that catches his attention, etc etc etc.

He is my myc from SF2 or Dizzy from finale or KZA from Spiderverse - I vibe with him so hard my teeth shake. He's never flipping scum and if he did I'd never trust again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

sheeping radish

Wat? Was your case “Jack is too logical to be a townie” not good enough?

You know Radishes is coming off a t/t game where he suspected me the whole time, right?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:08 pm Eh Radishes, why is JPIC town?

Because he is. Everything he does bleeds green. He's active, focused, having fun, solving on his own, following others when he likes their ideas, mostly serious and focused but with moments of levity when it strikes his fancy, not afraid to respond to anything from anyone that catches his attention, etc etc etc.

He is my myc from SF2 or Dizzy from finale or KZA from Spiderverse - I vibe with him so hard my teeth shake. He's never flipping scum and if he did I'd never trust again.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:14 pm 112 didn't take the bait sloonei offered up.