The Syndicate

I just finished playing this series and it's amazing.

It's literally mafia in anime form.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am Ok, so Monokuma can't vote. Easy to identify who it is.

It says he cannot vote "if found". Whatever that means.

Maybe it involves a cop finding him and claiming his role?

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:25 am COOOO? (Are we just checking in right now, discussing game/reads, or what?)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:19 am From my understanding, there is no mafia right now. It seems more like Monokuma converts people into being “mafia”. Which isn’t even mafia, because they don’t have BTSC and their wincon is to stay alive at the end game and kill someone.

So this day phase is a waste, use it on mech talk. We aren’t hunting scum right now because there aren’t any. It’s just Monokuma and he basically acts like a villager.

Etc etc this game will be based on trust, I fucking hate this.

It's Day 0, this period is just to check in and make some fluff (and maybe say suspicious things that will make people vote for you Day 1).

The real game starts tonight.

Oh nvm sprityo edited the rules

Ok folks since I played this game I know the plot and I have some theories about roles.

Spoilers don't read if you intend to play the games

Spoiler: show

I think the main puzzle is whether Monokuma is lynchable or not. The setup says he is unkillable, but says nothing about lynchable. The stuff about him being "found" does suggest what would happen after a flip, though. COuld mean he flips when he is hit with a night kill, but could also mean a lynch. Or being correctly guessed by a specific player.

If he is lynchable, then it's worth it to try to lynch someone Day 1, because this is a cult game and cults are dealt with by taking down the cult leader ASAP.

If he is unlynchable, then the expected value of the lynch depends on whether lynching him makes us gain anything. It has to be something very good though, to justify a 1/16 chance at missing.

I don't know.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:53 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:04 pm All of you:

Pick somebody.

Vote.

Hope.

Stop acting like you can figure something out. You can't. Move on.
Epi = jester
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Then why are you voting for him at all?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:40 am Cooo! (So to vote do we use the poll at the top or just manually write it or what? Still new to this site)

Poll is mandatory. Votes are counted through the poll.

Posting it in the thread is a common courtesy. Using vote tags is an added courtesy since it makes it easier to search posts by typing aubergine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:35 am Not voting Tony or DDL or Sig.

I’d give my reasons for all these clears but they’re all pretty stupid and if I’m wrong it’ll be like “Oh? That’s all it took to fool you? Lolololololol”

I believe the correct laugh is:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:55 pm What's up with the Turnip Head voters? These guys are sketchy. Turnip Head is a great guy to have in a game, and unearned votes on Day 1 are not what he deserves.

I was about to say "there's probably scum in this TH wagon" but then I remembred the 15/16 proportion makes it not very likely.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:21 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 am
Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:53 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:04 pm All of you:

Pick somebody.

Vote.

Hope.

Stop acting like you can figure something out. You can't. Move on.
Epi = jester
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Then why are you voting for him at all?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine
better than kicking out a civ

But what if lynching the jester punishes us?

THis Epi lynch also kinds of sucks. He's saying things that makes sense. Why are we voting him for saying things that makes sense?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:50 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:01 pm THis Epi lynch also kinds of sucks. He's saying things that makes sense. Why are we voting him for saying things that makes sense?
I should run for President.

Saying things that make sense is not how you win a presidential election.

I think I'm gonna sheep on this Dom case.

I'm on Rej but I find myself it's based on me disagreeing with Rej more than suspecting him.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 am I’m reasonably certain I incorrectly “cleared” Monokuma yesterday. I think our bear is DDL.
Explain if you may
I sent a message to Monokuma asking that he recruit a specific role and implied it was mine.) Is it? Probably not )

Monokuma did not attempt to soupkill me and said they weren’t going to recruit me yet, implying they believed me and did not feel threatened by me. Additionally, they said something that kinda implied they knew me prior to this game.

So Monokuma is almost certainly not Sloonei or Fayt or Coo. Probably not Dom either.

Additionally, though I’m not great at this kind of thing, the message sounded like DDL. DDL was one of my weaker clears from yesterday.

Assuming you are telling the truth.

What was it about their response that impled they knew you?

And what was it that implied it was me?

Seems like you are making some leaps here.

And I think there is a good reason for monokuma not to soup kill you N1.

The soup kill hits ALL players who have claimed. It's a mass murder.

Why skip a recruitment night to kill just you when Monokuma can kill a bunch of people later? Especially when the recruitment will result in a kill anyway so it has a higher value than killing a single individual.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:22 pm [VOTE: DDL ] aubergine

nvm, don't ask.

[Asks]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:12 pm Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:11 pm day one : okosan thinks monokuma is gonna hop on / start a bandwagon / sheep people's votes on wagons (epi's vote)

day two : okosan thinks we should not pay attention to the biggest wagons

Hmm that doesn't sound fair. The first one means Okosan wanted to be part of the wagon. The second one means Okosan wants to suspect people who were not part of the wagons. It's consistent.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:39 pm Cooo? (Furthurmore Ted if Okosan was scum why wouldn't he just find a reason to jump on DDL? Yes it's so much better to go against the grain of what, in this scenario, is almost entirely town)

This is wifom though. The day is not over. You can vote for me later to save yourself. Or you can let me die without doing anything if you don't need to.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:12 pm Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear
I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.
I mean....even in a scum to town note pass?

I don't have much experience with those but I think Okosan said he would "hire a translator" so yeah it's an exception.

What I mean is, in normal game situations, you have to put Okosan in a lot of stress for him to break the roleplay. He even does it in btsc.

Oof caught up finally.

Ok so I'm not really feeling this mechanic-based Monokuma hunting. Not just because it's getting people to vote for me, lol. It's just it's confusing and wifomy and ultimately feels like a chore.

I want to scumhunt the classic way. That said I'll also kind of lost with how to do that.

I didn't like Okosan's recent wifom defense so I might vote there. Otherwise I think it's likely the baddies are just lurking, and there are some people like Sig, Fayt, Dom and Creature who seem to be just coasting.

As for town reads... I like Jack but he also seems extremely engaged which makes me afraid of him, because scum Jack is engaged. Sloone is giving me some legit vibes. Tex is okay. The rest is whatever.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:28 pm Is it really roleplay or just a gimmick? His thoughts and words are not constructed especially bird-like. he just coo's before each paragraph, and the coo's do not change in pitch, intonation or duration.

Well, I guess gimmick fits better then. Or maybe he is roleplaying as an intelligent bird.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:36 pm I don't know what you guys are talking about, Okosan is quite clearly a pigeon.

Sloonei gets it.

I could see Jack risking the soup kill just for the thrill of it and the chance of joining the cult.

There is more to this game than just the wincon. Especially a game based on a series he loves.

I don't like any of the current options.

Can we lynch Creature,

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Sloonei but I'm going to bed and I don't wanna die.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:40 pm Ha HA!

I still got the ability to use seemingly harmless powers to great effect.

I haven’t been this happy with a mafia play since I used a notepads to convince someone he had joined my nonexistent cult.

In my defense that stuff only worked because sprityo was confusing as fuck and made me think I was still talking to TSP, not to a new person. So that reply of mine was a continuation of my convo with TSP.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:40 am I’m tapped out, guys. You’re gonna have to solve the rest of this without me.

(More like the emotional wringer of playing DR2.)

Man just wait till you play V3 then.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:40 pm Yeah but

Monokuma can have PM communication with anyone. Including his recruits. In what world does Monokuma still not know his recruits' identities? And further, discuss kill targets?
I think Monokuma can recruit roles and message players.

He’d only be able to talk to his recruits if they up and message him, claiming to have been recruited. While I agree the soupkill is probably purely an anticlaim mechanic and Monokuma doesn’t want to kill the blackened, it’s still a risky thing for a recruit to do since Monokuma’s wincon is unknown.

Of course, DDL could ask his recruits to contact him via soapbox and now the main thread if that’s what he wanted. I guess we’ll see.

That's not a bad idea.

Hey recruits, feel free to contact me!

(okay this is dumb)

Fayt is a girl yo.

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:10 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:11 am Creature's chance of flipping scum here is at rand more than anything, whereas Fayt would actually be more likely to flip scum imo
I'm not scum. If you can't understand that I can be simply busy during lunar new year of all things, then go ahead and shoot for a lynch.

Anyways, pretty sure Junko and Monokuma are working together. Ever since day 0. DDL trying to dissuade us otherwise so probably not best to rely on that person to block DDL every night at least.

Well I did theorize on it.

But then I theorized against it.

What would it be, I wonder.

Both Junkos are really screwed up though.

If you don't mind DR3 (the anime) spoilers, check this out:

Spoiler: show

The pages. They don't end. Why do you people gotta make 300 posts in the night

So glad I can get away with just skimming this thing

I can just look for soup kills not keep track of every thunderdome going on

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:30 pm wtf these rules

When you learn why someone asked you to replace them, but now it's too late and they are going away on their yatchi and you are left in their office to deal with their shit.

Ok I'm pseudo caught up now let's make this speech cuz the bear doesn't talk by himself.

A sloon kill but a different type of one huh

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:02 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:43 am A sloon kill but a different type of one huh
Does it surprise you that your latest recruit would choose Sloonei?

Not much. Its sloonei.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:07 am This is literal bullying Junko

My sister doesn't like smartasses it seems.

Maybe we suck at scumhunting.

Oh wait that doesn't include me.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:24 am Let's lynch ddl again and see what happens

This suggestion was so scummy even I want to lynch you for that.

Too bad I can't vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:15 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:24 am Let's lynch ddl again and see what happens
This suggestion was so scummy even I want to lynch you for that.

Too bad I can't vote.
Hey big boy, you wanna try to recruit me?

What do you have to offer?

I'm here hiding the fact that you can't be recruited but then I read your posts and realized you've already revealed that.

So yeah, as much as that rustic homey aroma sounds appealing, I can't.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:21 am Ok, why would mafia kill in a PoE list. Any reason that anyone can think about?

I think Okosan would make the kill to get rid of the association tbh

He just MVP'd a game as town after nearly MVP'ing a game as scum.

This is the Year of Sloonei.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:55 pm Last game it was “Why wasn’t Sloonei nightkilled?” This game it’s “Why was Sloonei nightkilled?” How many more permutations of this can there be?
Literally none it’s binary
We could just spend every game exclusively wondering what I’m up to.

Don't we already do that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:55 pm Last game it was “Why wasn’t Sloonei nightkilled?” This game it’s “Why was Sloonei nightkilled?” How many more permutations of this can there be?
Literally none it’s binary
We could just spend every game exclusively wondering what I’m up to.
Don't we already do that
Not nearly enough. Doesn’t anyone care what I had for dinner tonight?

Depends, is it alignment-indicative?

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