The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:10 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:41 pm hey guys sorry. i can't really be active today or probably this weekend. voting tribunal

u bad boi?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:58 am and the CHUDs

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:17 am Lukewarm Day 1 Take #1: The three players with Q in their names are three different alignments.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:04 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

You bad?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:04 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

You bad?

I am a civilian.

You won a game as a serial killer a few months ago, and now you're gonna downgrade your playstyle by adopting a truth meta?

Lame.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:58 pm I still want to lynch Enrique. The universe tried to give him to us and we ignored it. Not good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:45 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:45 pm Enrique is online.

What's he thinking?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 am ok so, 2 kills at night means....

mafia + sakana sashimi/savage pixie/trickster/dark worshipper?

is the general consensus that the trickster is probably a mafia role? it mentions some special rules/modifications involved in killing but doesn't mention specifically being able to kill on its own

I mean, TH's role is listed as "corrupted remnant", which may actually just be indie.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:02 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:00 am I'm O+, if I needed blood could you donate to me.

this feels like a trap

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:17 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:12 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 am ok so, 2 kills at night means....

mafia + sakana sashimi/savage pixie/trickster/dark worshipper?

is the general consensus that the trickster is probably a mafia role? it mentions some special rules/modifications involved in killing but doesn't mention specifically being able to kill on its own

I mean, TH's role is listed as "corrupted remnant", which may actually just be indie.

may it?

Yes, Sloonei's comment is very suspicious to me also.

111 if you're in the mood for a dana lynch today

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36 am Examining kyle1002.

Lots of joke posts on Day 0.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 pm Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

like

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

what is tribunal?

"Likes" G-man's speculation about tie naysayers and doesn't know what the tribunal is. This post does nothing. What did you like about G-man's post, Kyle?

i don't remember what i liked about that post exactly, because looking at it now i don't think it shows anything particularly positive about gman. i think the "like" was more for the purpose of supporting the idea he was presenting, than supporting gman for having the idea in the first place, if that makes sense.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:32 pmYeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

when did this start? was this always your opinion on ties? i don't remember this coming up before and i feel like it would have, cus i basically do that constantly

DH is talking about something specific to this game and kyle questions the history of it. I still can do nothing with this.

i was irked because it seemed like he was posturing about something he shouldn't reasonably have a strong opinion about based on what i remembered of his past track record.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:54 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?

"Like!"

Now he Likes timmer's post calling out Luna. What did you like about timmer's post, Kyle?

i don't remember that post at all. maybe the "like" system is not as effective as it could be, i remember seeing timmer's hunting effort and thinking "damn that looks like some good effort, i better 'like' that" but i don't know why i liked that post in particular.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:50 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:47 am Luna's cool for now

Probably gonna move my vote to Colin soon unless he steps it up

Nah.

Lock civilian.

is your lock civilian luna or colin? also why

Colin.

Let's play a game.

You guess why I believe Colin is a lock civilian.

that sounds like a fun game except instead of doing that, what if you just told me why you believe colin is good and then afterward i'll tell you if i guessed it correctly

This post is less concerning coming from Kyle than it would be from other players, but something about it seems yucky. I can read it as kyle holding back from needing to provide a read.

i was tired lol. i just wanted an answer to my question without having to jump through a hoop, so i responded a little snarkily. i felt bad about being rude almost immediately and did his thing anyways though:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 am i don't see anything shiningly obvious-good in colin's posts, and i don't know colin's baseline game-personality well enough to know what his tendencies are

This is his stance. Okay.

^^^

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 amFail.

you're a little confusing sometimes,

what do you think of DH (DharmaHelper)

Promptly changes the subject to DH. Why did you want to know about DH here, Kyle?

was still trying to feel out DH's thing from earlier

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:37 am i think there's like a 85% chance epi/sloonei is a civ

Why?

was a typo that i didn't really clarify, but at that time i felt like epignosis' pursuit of you seemed in line with what i'd seen of him before, but i also liked your responses. in my mind the possibility that you were bad made up the 10% of the 15% and epi made up the 5%.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:06 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

like!!!

What did you like about cbob's post, Kyle?

cbob's post here and the actions detailed within it represented to me what was indicative of a civ minded cbob, maybe it's naive, but it seemed like a specific enough thought process that it would be more likely to come from a civ than mafia. a small gambit that slightly sacrifices optics for the sake of learning slightly more is more likely to benefit civ than maf, i think.

I dig this questionThis one too.

thanx

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:26 am @Sloonei i think i agree with your assessment of juliets' posts here

jc's hogwarts posts have a different feel to them, like a slightly more active feel. (active in terms of being less passive)

Thanks. I came to the same conclusion when I looked at the first page of juliets' Hogwarts posts later.

yeah, i noticed that you plagiarized me :\ the patent cops are on their way, motherfucker

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:27 am also: i'm not voting for sloonei today

sloonei is just about the least likely mafia memebr out of the players with votes

Good read and all but, like, Turnip Head did the same thing. Clearly that implicates kyle.

fight me

i didn't see any questions in the rest of your post, but let me know if i missed anything

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:19 am333

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:22 am Do we know for certain that Turnip Head was mafia and not independent? In no way do I discourage the search for potential teammate pairings, but I also want us to be aware that it’s not confirmed that he was scum. If someone else flips “Corrupted Remnant” then we’ll know. Until then, it’s not certain.

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:19 am333

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:37 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:31 am ftr if you see me posting after like 11 i'm definitely on a bunch of stuff but it only makes me a more powerful mafia player

is that why you want my blood? to pass a drug test?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

okay then

Who is the main person we're looking for?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:33 pm I don’t think sprityo is making his thing up, but I do think the information he has is ambiguous enough to leave room for doubt. Sabie seems to be gesturing toward DrWilgy as a baddie, and indepdent of sprit’s claim, I’d vote wilgy over sabie.

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:03 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

As has been said, it's a difference in culture. Some of us come from a culture where info dumping is either explicitly not allowed in games, or is generally considered bad form. So, even when we aceept that it is part of this culture, we still don't necessarily like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:45 pm I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess

As I asked above, do you know anything about the source of this information? Is the woman a force for good? Does her information come from hosts or from another player? Does she always tell the truth?

And why are you interpreting as necessarily being that sabie is bad, as opposed to sabie is physically adjacent to someone bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:21 pmDoc: Fucked off all D1 until he was in danger, then he showed up and now he's fucked off again. He's demonstrated that he's able to play, and that he jumped into the thread at EOD when he was in danger of being lynched demonstrates to me that he's either paying attention himself or has people paying attention for him.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:19 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:07 pm I like this line of thinking from Enrique:

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

I mean I don't think it's impossible but I'm not endorsing it here. Was the Trickster dead by the time you met that lady?

I'll be more explicit: How do you know you were talking to an old woman and not to the Trickster, appearing in a chat room as an old woman?

It wasn’t BTSC, no chat room

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 pm Also slightly ot, but I hate this player salad nonsense.i don't see a problem with giving lots of reads at once if it makes sense or is asked.

People misuse the term. It’s when the reads are unsubstantiated and based on nothing apparent in context, like if I said, “My scumreads are sprit, Epignosis, Sloonei and maybe speedchuck” and offered little-to-no-reasoning (because I can’t actually supply any).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:37 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:35 pm Why Wilgert?

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

If the mady woman's information is cryptic/indirect, sabie seems to be implicating wilgy. Plus, DH's points on wilgy are not insubstantial.

Luna's hasty support of sprit's info has knocked her down a peg in my eye. I still town read her, but I'm a little concerned by that.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pmYeah Bob does seem a little all over the place I'll have to look more into that. Not sure if that's where drwilgys suspicion comes from? from what I can tell all drwilgy did was vote with no explanation and then go away with no explanation. I'm always wary of the random no explanation votes even if just a minimal one.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:56 pm Leaning drwilgy at this time due to random voting no explanation not even mentioning it and then completely disappearing. Off to a Christmas party. I will check back in after though in case anything else comes up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 pm I finally made it through Night 1. I see Wilgy has votes. Is this because there's reason to believe he's bad or is he just the default early lynch like he always is?

There's more to it today. DH has done some work that points toward wilgy as a possible partner of TH's, and sprityo's recent claim may possibly implicate wilgy in some convoluted way.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?

I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon

The answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.

The simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 pm sloonei i love you and i haven't given your list the attention it deserves and i'm sorry but who is on it again?