The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:24 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:22 pm @staypositivefriend

Did you intentionally bus Seanzie or was it an attempt at distancing that went wrong? I cleared you over it as bussing felt horribly unnecessary there.

it was not intentional. the idea was that i would vote seanzie for roughly ~5 minutes toward the end of the day, to create some distance btwn me and him, and then switch off to one of the other wagons

but then everyone voted seanzie with me and i felt like i wasn't able to switch off lol

so yeah, one of those distancing plays that just went horribly wrong

A classic.

@staypositivefriend

Did you intentionally bus Seanzie or was it an attempt at distancing that went wrong? I cleared you over it as bussing felt horribly unnecessary there.

@staypositivefriend

Why did you kill me lol?

So much for a warm welcome for my first game on the site lmao.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 6:57 pm I was actually just wrong everywhere so I'm gonna say good job psv, Neon, and Kate and never talk about my play in this game ever again

Eh, don’t be too hard on yourself.

Gamestate was basically right into “find the deepwolf” when you began playing seriously and that’s basically the hardest part of the game.

TFW the game I decide to lower my bar for towniness for SPF is the game where she rands W against me.

GG to all, especially Neon and PSV, tbh.

Shrug

I'm still at Six/Falcon for the level 1 world, tbh.

Kind of more confident on falcon rn as his focus on Zenon kind of feels like a wolf due to the lack of worldbuilding and breadth to his reads, tbh.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 10:05 am hmmm Ted has said repeatedly (twice) that Seanzie fell off a cliff and idk if that's enough to read as not w/w
Camilla bringing attention to the first time Ted said it is more towny imo

The thing that makes me not just write it off as distancing is that Ted hasn't really made much interactions with Seanzie after that, IIRC.

Game may be harder than it should as we kind of killed a wolf before a lot of people started actually playing so there's less spew to go around, lol.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 8:29 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:12 am Thing is if Ted/PSV are V/V then it feels WTF for Six to just go YOLO and further push him as the lead wagon like that.

it's part of why i have them as a pair. psv and myself were the competing wagons afair

not sure if there was a wolf in danger to die (in the world psv is v) there for him to come and place the vote down. idk if it's as wolfy if psv is a villa, but he still has to explain why he voted

I'll be honest and say that I feel like Six has a good chance of flipping W if you/PSV are W/V regardless of who's the wolf in the interaction, tbh.

The vote felt extremely forced in a way that felt like he was desperate for the towncred on you or trying to save PSV. I don't think Six posted anything yet that makes me rule any possibility as unlikely, unfortunately.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 8:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:57 am in spite of my earlier reads, i actually think if there was a busser in this progression, it's more likely to be dennis than anyone. this is because if any of seanzie's partners were present in the thread at the time, it makes sense to me that they would want to jump on his wagon to get some last minute towncred, and dennissaying that he's "going to ISO seanzie" and then jumping on him 6 minutes later feels a bit abrupt and like he is forcing himself to find an excuse to vote for seanzie instead of coming to suspect him organically

ftr that's why dennis is currently last in my villa reads or second to last from previously where i said he was lock cleared

but i'll say his pov on psv is perfectly fine to have as a villa, regardless of psv's alignment their push on me seems to be very incorrect and could easily be interpreted as bad faith

i may also want it deep down for him to be a villa just cuz someone would have made the easiest and most accurate read on me, but i acknowledge it's probably easier to make with TMI

with all that said, i wouldn't lunch him before other slots. probably sixstring and i'll see what psv manages to do on d2

I kind of just am planning on leaving him alone if I survive n1 and then seeing if he just sits on his towncred and does nothing or if he keeps on solving, tbh.

I feel like he's just a villager but if I'm misclearing someone in the Seanzie wagon then it's probably just him.

Plus Ted could've also self-pres'd on Six being that me/pyxxy were on him and it'd likely have more success than on PSV, as far as I can remember?

Thing is if Ted/PSV are V/V then it feels WTF for Six to just go YOLO and further push him as the lead wagon like that.

Pretty sure that there's not more than one wolf in this pairing as it's kind of bonkers to try to push a partner that's been consensusly TR'd like this, tho.

Ted's obstinance on PSV is towny to an extent.

Maybe I'd just start out tomorrow with Falcon/Six, tbh.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:50 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:39 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:31 pm i've read sean's iso, and psv is not clear at all

What's your fixation with trying to push me, ted? There are legitimate concerns with sig/six, falcon (still disagree but not enough substance to really fight it) and Dennis, yet you insist on pooping and then throwing it at me.

big yikes

there are legitimate concerns with ~0 posters?


also, neon, have we ever played before?

I mean, Six suddenly popping up, placing a vote on you, and then dipping and not returning is kind of concerning.

I'm p sure you also had this concern on them earlier?

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:07 pm Do we have a screenshot of the poll?

I think it was me/you/PSV/Six were on Ted's wagon, Falcon/Ted were on PSV's wagon, SPF/Lemon were on Seanzie's wagon then we both went to Seanzie's wagon and then Zenon and Dennis piled on it. Pyxxy was on Six's wagon and Seanzie was on your wagon and neither of them were on during the EoD.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:09 pm guess i shoulda pushed sean more oops

Tbfh this reaction meh as it kind of emphasizes regret over not being on Sean's wagon rather than being happy that he was a wolf, tbh.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:30 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:24 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:08 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:03 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: psv ] aubergine

nothing personal

Whoa




Kinda sounds personal

Hi. Why are you sheeping neon?

Neon is supremely town Neon.





There are a few signs I've learned to look for...like, she might be fakin' it? But nah

What makes me town here?

It's a combination of a few things, including your anime gif's & general solve energy.

Yh, I kind of feel like this is another point towards my Zenon/Falcon not w/w thing as I really like Zenon's skepticism here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:06 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:46 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 9:56 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:53 am

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:15 pm I disagree with Neon's read on me, obviously, but I think the tunnel at least feels sincere. Ted clinging to my wagon feels much more ho-hum. Like they're just doing it to seem productive.

Calling my push on you a tunnel is a bit misleading I'm not really pushing you much and I'm gonna move my vote after catch up lol

What changed?

Nothing really but if nobody else agrees I'm not gonna bother pushing that

I don't like this post. PSV is currently tied for the lead.

Seanzie didn't interact much with Neon but GTH I feel like this seems to be him TMI'ing PSV V and using their potential future flip as a reason to push Zenon.

I don't think this is an avenue that a wolf takes to push a partner so I don't feel like going to Zenon immediate when d2 begins.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:05 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:38 pm Hi ^_^

Before I get started could I get informed of the phase lengths on this site and if post caps exist?

I normally play on MU so it'll take some time for me to adjust here. I'll get myself a PFP shortly.

I listened to this song today, and actually thought about it first, but decided to pivot to something else, I'm glad someone else thought of it though.

@staypositivefriend

Lol, this is actually Quick's Music Tell in action.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:41 pm Time intervals kind of fits being that I can see the excuse matching with her making a vote then popping back when she got off driving, tbh.

Probably going Falcon/Ted/Sig/Six tomorrow.

Maybe it's just Falcon and one of the slanklords, tbh.

I'm hesitant on Ted after his EoD1.

Time intervals kind of fits being that I can see the excuse matching with her making a vote then popping back when she got off driving, tbh.

Probably going Falcon/Ted/Sig/Six tomorrow.

Neon kind of feels like Porscha in J's Soiree EoD1, tbh.

Basically the explanation and circumstances behind her vote feels kind of villagery even if her vote on retrospective was fairly wolfy with her meta in mind, tbh.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:27 pm Holy fuck I was right

This reaction is kind of good, though.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm what made u vote sean just now?

I thought about their treatment of their early reads more and it didn't align at all with my expectation of a town Sean plus they fell off hard and I didn't like the wagons elsewhere.

You were silent for the entire EoD except for the vote. Why?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:12 pm kate prob has the clearest progression

Yh, the entire "you know how to read me better than that" isn't really an avenue that wolves take.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:31 am Why does that make me scum though? Why can't I just have the same thought you do my lord.

Actually this post was kind of good-ish?

It doesn't really show the same level of concern as PSV but it seems a bit more complex than average distancing.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:34 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:32 pm @Seanzie How are you drawing your conclusion? Do you not like Taylor Swift?

You entered with a song rather than a post. The first post is always the hardest for a wolf.

Why am I scum my lord?

This post kind of looks a lot less unaligned than I thought, tbh.

Neon didn't really have that strong of a reaction unlike PSV.

I don't necessarily believe Neon/Falcon are likely to be W/W, tbh.

I don't think the way Neon townread him is like she'd do to a partner since she tends to be fairly distance-y as a wolf.

So yh.

I'd say that the first four voters on Seanzie are always pure and Zenon's vote on him was a huge red flag since she tends to bus a lot and it feels like her EoD was fairly frozen.

I'll look back to her interaction with Seanzie as I feel like PSV/Seanzie are fairy unaligned, so my towncore for d2 would be me/SPF/Dennis/Lemon/Kate/PSV.

Remainder are Zenon/Falco/Tedd plus the two slankers. I don't think Pyxxy is wolfing regardless of his lack of interaction with Seanzie.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:03 pm Roxy and splints always have open nights.

Oh, nice.

(Err... are we allowed to nightpost?)

Idg why ted didn't try to push the elim to Seanzie, though.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:46 pmI hate day 1

Mood.

...and it kind of feels like Zenon's frozen this EoD.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:43 pm the momentum around the seanzie wagon has been strange

I'm okay with it since the four original votes on it were me and within my four strongest townreads so I think sans Zenon that the wagon should be pure.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:42 pmWhat is cfd?

Chinese Fire Drill.

Multiple people swapping for one wagon to another like we went from Ted->Seanzie.

If Seanzie's a hit then I'd pressure Zenon tomorrow being that she tends to have a hellbuss-y meta and that vote feels like the most bus-like one since it was casted after we put Seanzie 4-3 over PSV.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm Yeah I really have no idea who to vote, but I don't think Ted is a hit

[VOTE: psv] aubergine I guess, got those ickies I was talking about before

What are your thoughts on Ted? Any thoughts specifically related to why he isn't defending at all but has been active in thread?

I just don't even know how the wagon formed

Like when did all of these votes show up?? And that's leading me to believe they're town because of how easy these votes piled on and there no effort other than me to get them off. And I'm town so it's like

I dunno, a lot of people don't really defend themselves. Like I will go down kicking and screaming, you will too, but I know a lot of people who read defending as scummy. And they've left a legacy without even being prompted which I find towny and sorts defendy in its own right

I feel like the circumstances surrounding the legacy makes it more villagery since it's not like the thread-state was that fluid so it's not as if there was a big chance of us CFD'ing off him, tbh.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:36 pmVote: Sean

Noted.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:34 pm In my experience, sig is a very responsible player. It's unusual for him to miss a vote and even more unlikely if he has a team counting on him.

I still feel like if there's exactly one wolf in Six/Sig then it's probably just Six as he kind of feels too aware of what's happening in the thread.

Hopefully they start playing tomorrow tbh.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:30 pm for posterity, my perception of the game right now is:

town:

spf
psv
dennis

townlean:

pyxxy
kate
camilia
lemonfairy
camilia(?)

idk anymore:

neon
seanzie
falcon
ted
sig
sixstrings

The paranoia is real.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:24 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:23 pm I remember Seanzie was the first to push PSV and I think they were also the first to back off
do you think it could be theatre?

Just reading lemons iso and this post stuck out to me.

This makes me want to vote seanzie.

I'd ideally prefer Seanzie/Ted wagons over the PSV one, tbh.

Especially since two of my strongest TRs are on the former.

May not be here until the EoD but my final reads roughly look like this.

Camilla

Lemonfairy
Dennis
SPF

Kate
PSV
Pyxxy
Neon

Sig

Falcon
Seanzie
Six

Ted

Top tier's basically re-eval only late-game.

I kind of feel more confident on my reads and I don't think there's more than a wolf in the second one. Frankly I kind of wouldn't really kill PSV before killing Seanzie/Falcon as she kind of has fairly good interactions with the rest of my PoE.

Neon's probably the blind-spot in my reads as while her posts feel in her town range her lack of thread presence is concerning me to a point.

If Ted's W then I'd probably just hard-clear PSV/Dennis/Kate.

I don't think Six/Ted can possibly be unaligned since the vote did kind of feel bus-ish.

Sig's basically a hard null but unlike Six I feel like it's more IRL while I saw signs of Six potentially lurking due to him being hyperaware of what's happening in the thread.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:36 pm I feel like Kate's recent posts were pretty good, tbh.

I don't see the rationale to defend lowposters like Six/Sig as a wolf as you're kind of just blocking off two easy MLs if you're V and you're just blatantly tying yourself to your partners if W.

Plus the shift to Falcon/Seanzie really feels like an organic-ish form of worldbuilding as it seems like Kate's actually looking for wolves rather than just sticking to the path of least resistance.

I kind of feel like putting her roughly the same place PSV's at in my reads, tbh.

if they're V and W, not you*

EBWOP.

I feel like Kate's recent posts were pretty good, tbh.

I don't see the rationale to defend lowposters like Six/Sig as a wolf as you're kind of just blocking off two easy MLs if you're V and you're just blatantly tying yourself to your partners if W.

Plus the shift to Falcon/Seanzie really feels like an organic-ish form of worldbuilding as it seems like Kate's actually looking for wolves rather than just sticking to the path of least resistance.

I kind of feel like putting her roughly the same place PSV's at in my reads, tbh.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:23 pm Ted, falcon and seanzie.

I'm interested on Falcon?

I feel like he's kind of been UTR as while he has posted quite a few times this game I don't really found any reason to TR him unlike others like Dennis, PSV, or Neon, tbh.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:21 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:18 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:16 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:04 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

I'm not willing to vote here yet. He's a lost newbie and it def possible he randed bad, but I'd be more willing to look at other low posters who know better than to hide. I'm not a big fan of voting off low posters day 1.

So what are your top three eliminations rn?

I'm so bad at doing this. I say this at least once pregame, but I come from the OS of playing where you play your cards close to your chest to avoid a nk bc in the old days we couldn't win if we died. So it's very unnatural for me to make lists and such. I'm trying to adjust on that. Let me look through...I was just about to post the posts per person.

As someone who usually just dies n1 or n2 as town, I feel like this manner of playing may not be so bad in retrospective lol.