The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:33 pm If Jay is town or 3P, Tranq Ted Speed/Epi probably fill the scum spots. Feel the most confident on Ted but he falls into AM suspicion. Tranq is a reasonable lynch as he’s not likely to be the AM and is compatible with the Master team members. I feel that Epi is probably the most likely to fill the final spot on that team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:19 pm Thanks JaggedJimmyJay, on the speedchuck read are you suggesting they are distancing from each other? They sure aren't supportive of each other. When I read through speed's changes from Mac-sig-Mac-sig I didn't hate it. I thought it looked ok. (I thought I would hate it.) So ok, I'll think about your read here, he could be fooling me I guess.

Gun to my head, I don't think speedchuck is mafia at all. The appeal to emotion incident still carries weight for me. Regarding compatibility though, my concerns stem from an inbalance in their interaction -- sig didn't acknowledge speedchuck that much considering the opportunities speed gave him for that. I was bothered more than you were by the Day 3 vote swaparoos.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:44 pm So at this point, I have to eliminate ted as someone in contention for the last civ spot on my roster. It's between speed and Tranq for me now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:38 pm I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Perhaps Tranq too given dream level divisions

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:11 pm All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:01 pm

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Why not?

I guess if it was randed it could be but wouldn't the hosts have wanted there to be mafia on every level so there was balance? Do you think level one could have had all civs? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about the way the levels worked.

If it was random or if the hosts decided, then sig's power is not necessarily a benefit to his team, as one or more of sig's teammates could have found themselves on that level and vulnerable to a lynch. The role is only beneficial to sig's team if sig got to choose who went where so that he could keep his team safe for one Day phase.

I definitely believe sig picked where he went and if I'm reading you right you think sig would have picked maybe level 2 for the AM. That makes sense. What about the Masters people though wouldn't they have been spread across levels unless the levels were randed for everyone but sig and the AM?

If I'm right and sig grouped everyone, the other team could be among any of the levels. It's a devious little role secret in that it has a potential secondary benefit for pushing (or allowing to stand) the fallacy that there "has to be" at least one bad guy per level.

for 5 y o ppl that means after he safely put the AM most probably in the midde level the rest of players are randomly distributed between levels?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Why not?

I guess if it was randed it could be but wouldn't the hosts have wanted there to be mafia on every level so there was balance? Do you think level one could have had all civs? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about the way the levels worked.

If it was random or if the hosts decided, then sig's power is not necessarily a benefit to his team, as one or more of sig's teammates could have found themselves on that level and vulnerable to a lynch. The role is only beneficial to sig's team if sig got to choose who went where so that he could keep his team safe for one Day phase.

I definitely believe sig picked where he went and if I'm reading you right you think sig would have picked maybe level 2 for the AM. That makes sense. What about the Masters people though wouldn't they have been spread across levels unless the levels were randed for everyone but sig and the AM?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Why not?

I guess if it was randed it could be but wouldn't the hosts have wanted there to be mafia on every level so there was balance? Do you think level one could have had all civs? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about the way the levels worked.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pm My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:11 am Shit, even you have no scum reads right now. Your play thus far has been lack luster and you aren't taking any stances, wondering why. And now just through your posturing I can tell you are looking for reasons to scum lean me, YOU HAVE NOT READ A SINGLE POST OF MINE AND HAVE NO READ ON ME.

You aren't taking any stances.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:26 am One thing to be certain y'all assess when I am gone, and I suggest you assess it aggressively and interrogate the hell out of each other, is how players who've voted for me have justified doing so. That applies to this phase and previous phases.

This is a crucial Day 8 on which the game may turn, and it has become a dead space where literally everyone who isn't me has planted a vote on me and then gone off to take naps. You've done the mafia's work for them, and you've made their lives extremely easy today. Change that when I'm gone or I am going to be upset.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:01 am There's just no world where Sloonei isn't with someone that doesn't have some sort of high presence or having accumulated a lot of town reads. I just can't think about that. It's because of his lists containing lurkers as scum which is always what he's done. There has to be someone active as a mafia and I think that's just juliets. I don't know, maybe I was right for the wrong reasons earlier, but there's just no world for me where juliets isn't mafia. I don't know why or how she is being town read, someone needs to engage me, because I just think you're wrong.

I heard Jay's thoughts on her, I'm moreso looking for thoughts from people like Tranq, TSP, Michelle. Why you scum read her / town read her?

Ted, i've played a lot of games with juliets. I can't claim to always read her correctly, but in this game she definately sounds civ. As SVS said, bad juliets gets nervous. I'm not seeing that here.
There also are mechanical reasons for my civ read on juliets. I think it's very likely Dom had BTSC with juliets, or had BTSC with someone who could confirm juliets.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:04 pm I want to know everyone's JJJ has flipped civilian, oh crap, now what? reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:41 pm The most interesting development in this final section for sure is the improvement of Tony's status. I'd be willing to bump him up to a green shade on the rainbow. I also had one point in favor of Epi after several shrugs, so I'll move him up to a light green as well. Ted moves down to orange pending further review. I'm adding a green tier to separate moderate reads from mild. Tiers themselves are not internally ranked. Final results:

Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
Tony
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Turnip Head

I came into this exercise having felt good about Turnip Head for much of the game, so his placement at the bottom comes as a bit of a surprise. The orange names are all low-key presences in this ISO that would require more investigation to parse out. Epi and Tranq are favorable reads that could easily change. Everyone above that feels like a stretch. Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac. The top three names are absolutely not on a team with Mac.

Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 pm Adverbs man. Adverbs.

You aren't a civilian.

You are a broken record. Get a new shtick dude

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:50 pm Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

Name one person who has been a constant civilian in your mind for at least the last three phases.

juliets has been that person for nearly the entire game. When I stuck her in that elimination pool I even said something along the lines of "I don't see this at all, but other people do so do what you must"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:50 pm Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:50 pm Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:36 pm The good news is they had the butter you needed! I'll quit now, we're doing serious business here.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:27 pm Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

Agreed.

Luckily I only injured my left hand today and not my right.

What happened?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:25 am I think I’d rather vote for Epi maybe

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:27 pm Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:03 pm
Sloonei has been killed! He was the Master, from Fallout Mafia, by JaggedJimmyJay.

It is now Day 8.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:16 pm There wasn’t even a case on GMan.

Read the damn thread with the rest of us please.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Epi doesn't feel like the lazy Epi who gave me towny vibes in the last game. He is not very active, he is not quite lazy, he wants to survive, to blend. I would lynch him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:36 pm I want to reiterate that Epignosis has done absolutely nothing today beyond put a vote on me. Be mindful of that later, whatever happens to me. And recall that he said he was going to get more involved. Nope.

What does that have to do with anything? Why does that bear emphasis? I played single father all day yesterday and was in meetings all day today. I thought I would have today to do things, but no. Boss put out a schedule that had our asses on campus all day in various trainings. This evening is my first time logging into this website today.

None of that has anything to do with my alignment and you know it. So why bring it up?

Time constraints have nothing to do with your alignment. What you choose to do with the time you do have has plenty to do with your alignment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:36 pm I want to reiterate that Epignosis has done absolutely nothing today beyond put a vote on me. Be mindful of that later, whatever happens to me. And recall that he said he was going to get more involved. Nope.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 pm In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:08 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:06 pm yeaaaaaah. so who's scum there?

speedchuck and Epignosis are the lead candidates, given that they have used this day for exactly nothing other than seeing me to the noose. I could also see Tranq.

Day isn't over yet.

You have an hour. Do something.