Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Dyslexicon]

It's the host's discretion to record copies of the poll; LC and BR are notoriously bad at keeping it consistently

We might have to snapshot it ourselves in the future.

Vote was 6-6 nutella and Master Radishes; speedchuck had a couple votes and I think Jack had one.

Good news is I think most votes were recorded in-thread with the vote tag.

Who ever is good with organisation should do screenshots. In other words, not me.

[Dyslexicon]

But I didn't know that. Do you always get pinged by people who make earnest replies to your inside joke they didn't know about?

Not what it was about for me.

I think you moved into the orange. You're trying too hard to suspect me.

Ok, but that's literally the exact opposite of what I'm trying hard to do. =p

[Dyslexicon]

I'm trying to find Radish mentioning that he could apply the same method to his own wagon and I don't see it. Do I understand you correctly?

Bottom of #1557 if relevant.

[Dyslexicon]

Edit to my previous vote count, now that I've seen the poll:

Mac voted for Nutella in the poll but didn't call it in thread. So I'm not sure where his vote fits in chronologically, but that lessens my suspicion at thinking he sussed without voting.

I’m almost positive the vote spread was 1,1,1,6,1,6,2

If I pretend like that is a number sequence iq-test thingy, my iq is about 14.

[Dyslexicon]

For me, "not enough *I*" is more of a baddie tell. KK, work xo xo happy Mafia Players

This is very interesting.

[Dyslexicon]

I have a lot of thoughts/reads. Some are shifting a bit, and some are not. But I prefer to wait until D2 to talk about all that jazz. I just think that's best for raisins.

[Sloonei]

It's the host's discretion to record copies of the poll; LC and BR are notoriously bad at keeping it consistently

We might have to snapshot it ourselves in the future.

Vote was 6-6 nutella and Master Radishes; speedchuck had a couple votes and I think Jack had one.

Good news is I think most votes were recorded in-thread with the vote tag.

Polls are recorded at the bottom of the first post
[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

[Sloonei]

Good news: I can read big posts without getting a headache!

[Dyslexicon]

I tried to trace to votes back, and this is what I got:
Please correct this if something is wrong.

Radish (6) - Sloonei, Michelle, Ted, Jimmay, SVS, Dizzy
Nut (6) - Jack, Dom, Turnip, Sabie, Nook, (Mac, earlier, but I don't know when)
Speed (2) - Epi, Nut
Jack (1) - Sprit
Jimmay (1) - Radish
Nook (1) - Sig
Dizzy (1) - Tony

This is just for reference. May be hard to conclude, since we don't know how the votes would end up if the day played out like normal.

[Dyslexicon]

It's the host's discretion to record copies of the poll; LC and BR are notoriously bad at keeping it consistently

We might have to snapshot it ourselves in the future.

Vote was 6-6 nutella and Master Radishes; speedchuck had a couple votes and I think Jack had one.

Good news is I think most votes were recorded in-thread with the vote tag.

Polls are recorded at the bottom of the first post
@Dyslexicon

Are you fucking kidding me. Rip 10 minutes I'll never get back.

[Dyslexicon]

I tried to trace to votes back, and this is what I got:
Please correct this if something is wrong.

Radish (6) - Sloonei, Michelle, Ted, Jimmay, SVS, Dizzy
Nut (6) - Jack, Dom, Turnip, Sabie, Nook, (Mac, earlier, but I don't know when)
Speed (2) - Epi, Nut
Jack (1) - Sprit
Jimmay (1) - Radish
Nook (1) - Sig
Dizzy (1) - Tony

This is just for reference. May be hard to conclude, since we don't know how the votes would end up if the day played out like normal.

At least it looks to be correct, and in order of the actual voting. (Except Mac)

[S~V~S]

For me, "not enough *I*" is more of a baddie tell. KK, work xo xo happy Mafia Players

This is very interesting.

I didn't mean for me, in my posts, personally. I don't think I could ever be accused of being too succinct, I meant that, for me, people holding too much back get my eye. Like what TH is doing now is driving me nuts with all his one word posts. It isn't necessarily something that makes me think a person is bad. It does make me pay closer attention to them, though.

And point taken re other post

[Sloonei]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] what are the strongest reads you have in this game so far? On either side of the spectrum

[G-Man]

G-Man good

could be turbup, what you see

Hes one of those civs who won't lose you the game but he may not win it for you either. He's the Ryan tannehil of civilians

Ouch. While not an incorrect assessment of my civvie sleuthing skills when I don’t have info gathering powers, as a Miami Dolphins fan, that comparison cuts deep.

Anyway, let’s talk about the roles, shall we? I see two roles that can ‘send orders’ to a civ. One is a civ role but the other is a baddie. On the one hand, there is potential for civs to become known to another civ. On the other hand, complying risks letting a baddie hijack your power.

Has anyone played with this kind of role mirrored in this way before? My gut says complying should probably be done based on how powerful a player thinks their role is. Thoughts?

[Dyslexicon]

I didn't mean for me, in my posts, personally. I don't think I could ever be accused of being too succinct, I meant that, for me, people holding too much back get my eye. Like what TH is doing now is driving me nuts with all his one word posts. It isn't necessarily something that makes me think a person is bad. It does make me pay closer attention to them, though.

And point taken re other post

I generally agree, which I think comes through in my posts as well. And lol, I remember playing as scum with town!Turnip, and I actually thought that was scary. He's similar here, and now I actually have some sort of opinion on him.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon what are the strongest reads you have in this game so far? On either side of the spectrum

I'll speak about this come D2, alive or dead.

[tedxtr]

Relevancy?

G-man, may I have some of your reads? Give me your spiciest ones.

[Sloonei]

@Dyslexicon what are the strongest reads you have in this game so far? On either side of the spectrum

I'll speak about this come D2, alive or dead.

Fair nuff

[Turnip Head]

G-Man good

could be turbup, what you see

Hes one of those civs who won't lose you the game but he may not win it for you either. He's the Ryan tannehil of civilians

Ouch. While not an incorrect assessment of my civvie sleuthing skills when I don’t have info gathering powers, as a Miami Dolphins fan, that comparison cuts deep.

Anyway, let’s talk about the roles, shall we? I see two roles that can ‘send orders’ to a civ. One is a civ role but the other is a baddie. On the one hand, there is potential for civs to become known to another civ. On the other hand, complying risks letting a baddie hijack your power.

Has anyone played with this kind of role mirrored in this way before? My gut says complying should probably be done based on how powerful a player thinks their role is. Thoughts?

It was meant as a compliment, really

[G-Man]

Relevancy?

G-man, may I have some of your reads? Give me your spiciest ones.

Observations are in progress for a few people, but I don’t have any reads yet.

[tedxtr]

mention me when you post them please.

[Dom]

I’m happy with the result but annoyed the day ended early because my theory will have to wait.

I don’t trust G-Man or tedexter. Ted still hasn’t answered my question. He made a point of people @ ing him to get his attention. I specifically did that and didn’t see an answer.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ll be absent most of now.

[G-Man]

mention me when you post them please.

Okay, sure.

[Sloonei]

Relevancy?

G-man, may I have some of your reads? Give me your spiciest ones.

Observations are in progress for a few people, but I don’t have any reads yet.

I am hungry for these observations. Starving. Ravenous.

[Dom]

I said Ted. You’re just an add on there sis.
One of my first posts is that your posts smell bad

[Dom]

Oh I understand G

[tedxtr]

I’m happy with the result but annoyed the day ended early because my theory will have to wait.

I don’t trust G-Man or tedexter. Ted still hasn’t answered my question. He made a point of people @ ing him to get his attention. I specifically did that and didn’t see an answer.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ll be absent most of now.

if i don't answer questions it's because they were most likely either answered or easily searchable. that is, if you truly wanted an answer for what you were looking for.

[tedxtr]

actually fairly positive it's already in my iso explained

[Sloonei]

I’m happy with the result but annoyed the day ended early because my theory will have to wait.

I don’t trust G-Man or tedexter. Ted still hasn’t answered my question. He made a point of people @ ing him to get his attention. I specifically did that and didn’t see an answer.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ll be absent most of now.

if i don't answer questions it's because they were most likely either answered or easily searchable. that is, if you truly wanted an answer for what you were looking for.

It doesn’t hurt to re-state things so others can have easy access to your answer.

[Sloonei]

Or to provide a link

[tedxtr]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

[Dom]

@tedxtr
Let's say Radishes is out. You can't vote for them.

For whom do you vote and why?

You’re avoiding this question.
Why?

You and Mac are both avoiding my questions and content. And you’d follow Mac on a vote on me in an instant.
Lazy play. In bad faith. Yuck.

[Dom]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

Obfuscation Junction— whats your function?

[tedxtr]

I didn't see it.

Colin, G-man have decent odds of flipping scum

[Sloonei]

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

[Sloonei]

I didn't see it.

Colin, G-man have decent odds of flipping scum

Oh i see

Why do you pick these two names?

[tedxtr]

Those popped at me the most. Colin's read on Michelle stunk of lazy focusing on something that can easily be faked, and I still don't see how he doesn't understand what Michelle had to say. He called Michelle out on her Radishes read and then he reads radishes exactly the same sort of way to the post he previously quoted.

G-man I already stated my suspicions on. He had an early sucky post and nothing's been townier thus far. No reason to warm up to his slot at all.

[sig]

I disagree with TH on Gman I seem to remember his civ gameplay to be like Epi.

He has a weird way of doing things. Lots of colors to do with voting and other random ass accounting type junk.

But, I always found that he made sense and gave good content. Not really seeing that here which is why he's a meh read until i dig.

But, it's been a very long time since I played with him and I'm unsure of I've ever seen his baddie game.

[Sloonei]

Colin is probably the player I’ve driven the most mislynches against historically. I’m wary of that. None of his posts have stood out to me, but I’ve been operating at less than full capacity the last 72 hours.

G-man has been underwhelming. That becomes more suspicious the later we get into the game.

[Sloonei]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] who are your strongest town reads?

[tedxtr]

I mean even the fact that he said he has some observations and him not outing them and instead uses his time to focus on useless mech talk is even worse tbh.

[tedxtr]

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

[Sloonei]

I’m sitting here impatiently waiting for Dom to respond to ted’s reads and then I remembered it’s his birthday and he should be doing other things

[mention]Dom[/mention] when you can, are you satisfied with the reads ted has shared? Has he answered your question?

[Sloonei]

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

Shucks. Tell me about myself, dyslexicon, and tony.

[tedxtr]

The reason you're on the lower end is because I remember your early start that was aesthetically pleasing. I saw you had good , well-timed questions but I am sort of reluctant to town read you fully because, other than that, I honestly don't remember anything else you've done. I just remember you being there and kind of skimming your posts. I'm wanting to see some sort of aggressive push from you or something.

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

TSP's a read that's like broadly applied to my mental map of how town!lurkers approach a game as opposed to scum!lurkers. There's no scum agenda behind his posting, and with scum lurkers, the usual mentality is "ah I gotta post something good to make up for my absence" and that usually turns into awkward reads on people and shit. The reason he's that low is because I didn't like his early Jay read joke thing which read as awkward and I want to look for some form of thought process that I can easily follow through and get rid of this paranoia for his slot. It's this low because it's a general approach to reading lurkers and I need some more context to be more confident in it.

[Sloonei]

The reason you're on the lower end is because I remember your early start that was aesthetically pleasing. I saw you had good , well-timed questions but I am sort of reluctant to town read you fully because, other than that, I honestly don't remember anything else you've done. I just remember you being there and kind of skimming your posts. I'm wanting to see some sort of aggressive push from you or something.

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

TSP's a read that's like broadly applied to my mental map of how town!lurkers approach a game as opposed to scum!lurkers. There's no scum agenda behind his posting, and with scum lurkers, the usual mentality is "ah I gotta post something good to make up for my absence" and that usually turns into awkward reads on people and shit. The reason he's that low is because I didn't like his early Jay read joke thing which read as awkward and I want to look for some form of thought process that I can easily follow through and get rid of this paranoia for his slot. It's this low because it's a general approach to reading lurkers and I need some more context to be more confident in it.

Regarding myself, I’ve definitely dropped below my desired level of play. I’ve had an annoying fever the last few days and reading this thread has literally been painful. I’m about 75% better now.

Your explanation for why you town read dizzy features a lot of reasons not to town read dizzy. Why?

I appreciate your perspective on Tony.

[tedxtr]

No it doesn't? I started out with an early scum read and I'm explaining how it turned out to be otherwise. Once my initial theory on her trying to fake bravado and seeing she dropped the shtick, after she started posting a lot, I started getting lukewarm about the slot and between skims I saw some reads that expressed the EXACT same thoughts I had (re : S~V~S) which was an uncontroversial read that it was hard explaining but I appreciated someone else having the same thought. It could be bad reasoning but I sometimes am not, uh, really mindmelding with anyone and having someone occasionally do just that just makes me instantly town read them. Been liking their progress and in hindsight, the whole "watch me slank" and this obviously not being the case is probably more town indicative, because they thought they'd have no reason to play this / just wanted to roll with the whole "i'mma have fun", but they can't stop commenting on posts to extract information. So the hypocrisy here comes from town.

[Sloonei]

No it doesn't? I started out with an early scum read and I'm explaining how it turned out to be otherwise. Once my initial theory on her trying to fake bravado and seeing she dropped the shtick, after she started posting a lot, I started getting lukewarm about the slot and between skims I saw some reads that expressed the EXACT same thoughts I had (re : S~V~S) which was an uncontroversial read that it was hard explaining but I appreciated someone else having the same thought. It could be bad reasoning but I sometimes am not, uh, really mindmelding with anyone and having someone occasionally do just that just makes me instantly town read them. Been liking their progress and in hindsight, the whole "watch me slank" and this obviously not being the case is probably more town indicative, because they thought they'd have no reason to play this / just wanted to roll with the whole "i'mma have fun", but they can't stop commenting on posts to extract information. So the hypocrisy here comes from town.

I mean, it does:

Dys I had tons of mindmelds with. At first I thought the way they came in the thread saying "Watch me do nothing this game, what are you gonna do about it" kind of attitude and then giving that read on Michelle felt sort of contradictory, emotionally speaking. As in, you imply you don't give a crap, but you post a shallow read on Michelle, like you felt forced to do it. I also thought it was too early of a town read, even for Michelle, which I also have tons of meta with. Otherwise, their recent content has been good and we mindmelded ever since that initial scum lean.

I guess it's all one reason, but it takes up more than half of the text you wrote. That strikes me as an odd way to frame a town read.

As for your response: that makes more sense. I asked about Dizzy because I've been struggling to develop a firm read on them this game. I see lots of bouncing around but not a lot of firm reads. I don't read that as a bad thing, but it inhibits my ability to commit to a confident read of my own. I think the picture you paint here reflects a version of Town DIzzy I've seen in the past. I kinda forget what scum Dizzy looks like though.

[ColinIsCool]

Colin bad probably

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

He left the game long ago and didn't give me the villagery feeling he had in the inception game. I know he was 3rd part, but an independent can have towny posts easier than mafia.

Although before I caught up I misinterpreted nutella as scum and read the thread as such, so some of my thoughts are useless.

I feel best about sig, his NANOOK suspicion and case felt really genuine. I also really like just about everything I’ve seen from ted. I like Jay so far, and Epi.

The Michelle post I quoted earlier bugged me out, I’m not sure what it meant/if it makes any sense. I agree with Epi’s concerne toward juliets.

Radishes isn’t giving me the same exact vibe as he did when I sniffed him out as 3P in Inception, but it’s similar ...

Consecutive Colin posts. I highlight two things yellow, one from Michelle and one from Colin, that follow similar themes. They discuss Radish as a third party in the Inception game with some kind of implied impact upon present reads. Michelle declares her read with a vote. Colin declares nothing and leaves the ellipsis. That's not inspired.

The non-read aside, I don't know why you'd be confused (orange) by what Michelle said, Colin, given that you talked about the same thing immediately thereafter.

Because Michelle’s idea is more about how a 3P might appear generally, not just Radishes. I found it disagreeable and possibly disingenuous although it’s not a smoking gun or anything.