The Syndicate

I'm going to finish my Worms game. Be back later.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:37 pm Also I could almost feel the annoyance steaming from Epi's posts to start this day when nutella and I showed up.
Maybe there's a reason for that.
What did this mean?

It didn't mean anything. I was being ugly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?
You gave me a whole rash of shit in the GOC after I used this against G-Man.

Yeah well

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:09 pm That doesn't justify blocking Sloonei, which I maintain is a bloody awful choice.

But I didn't block him, did I?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:09 pm We still have one kill unaccounted for -- either Radishes or Mac (I think?) was killed by the mafia, the other was not.

This setup is at least moderately wack, and I hesitate to take mechanical assumptions as factual. Somehow it may be possible for Epignosis to target Mac without doing something.

That doesn't justify blocking Sloonei, which I maintain is a bloody awful choice.

Radishes was lynched.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?
Turnip Head twiddled his thumbs while the clock ticked away with LC tied for the lead.

And?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?
This is lylo though

And?

Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:03 pm No need to hammer.

The hammer is 5.
I'll pound myself. Nobody is listening to a goddamn thing I have to say anyway.
If you're a civilian that will lose you the game. Struggle to believe you'd entertain something so petulant.

What I entertain and what I entertain you with are different matters.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:03 pm No need to hammer.

The hammer is 5.

I'll pound myself. Nobody is listening to a goddamn thing I have to say anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:59 pm STOP!!!
Is it hammer time already?

...

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

What the hell?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:55 pm @nutella it may be prudent in light of this development to reveal our Thing. What do you think?
Sure.

We gave Sloonei the ability to either kill or save someone N2. I think we both arrived at the conclusion (from his posts today) that he is likely responsible for TH's death.
I thought so. Did you guys catch my “fruitful” pun earlier? Did you? Did you get it?

Yeah, I killed TH. Hence why I don’t believe Epi when he says he roleblocked me.

I obviously didn't role block you then. Read my role man.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:59 pm STOP!!!

Eh?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:48 pm I didn't target a soul Night 1.

I was wrapped up in Take me Out I think. Drunk probably. I targeted no one.
Maybe you drunkenly targeted Mac and forgot.

Seriously, check your PM history?

I'm a drunk. I'm not sloppy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
If Sloonei was roleblocked last night, with three kills, wouldn't that be a good mark on him?
I said I was a limited role blocker. Can't you read? I don't even understand my own role.

I thought that meant limited shots.

No. You're told how many you get. I wasn't told this. Just that I was "limited."

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:48 pm I didn't target a soul Night 1.

I was wrapped up in Take me Out I think. Drunk probably. I targeted no one.
Maybe you drunkenly targeted Mac and forgot.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
If Sloonei was roleblocked last night, with three kills, wouldn't that be a good mark on him?
I said I was a limited role blocker. Can't you read? I don't even understand my own role.
What do you understand about it? Are you suggesting that the limitation would explain Sloonei's ability going through as he claims?

My role made no sense to me. It's full of flair and fun talk, but nothing that actually tells me what it does. I asked about it and was told I was a "limited roleblocker." I left it at that. I don't know in what sense I'm limited.

If I'm mafia, do I claim that shit? Do I claim now?

I didn't target a soul Night 1.

I was wrapped up in Take me Out I think. Drunk probably. I targeted no one.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:46 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:38 pm whatever that was a repetitive question

epi targeted mac n1
?????????

It's horseshit.

[VOTE: Funnygirl555] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
If Sloonei was roleblocked last night, with three kills, wouldn't that be a good mark on him?

I said I was a limited role blocker. Can't you read? I don't even understand my own role.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:29 pm I haven't read, but if JJJ and Sloonei are voting for me, fuck this shit. I'm claiming.

I'm a limited role blocker. I had to ask because my role didn't make any sense to me. In what way I am limited I don't know. But get your filthy votes of me.

I targeted Sloonei Night 2 and I targeted no one Night 1 because I goofed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
Get your filthy votes off of me but also one of you is evil.

Fake
Gottem

Nobody was got.

I didn't target anyone Night 1. I felt ashamed about it. I don't like missing Night actions.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:38 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:36 pm did you not send an action at all n1 epi?
I did not. That was my fault and it was uncharacteristic of me. I was in two games at once and I was focusing on the other and missed the deadline.
liar liar pants on fire

What?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:37 pm Also I could almost feel the annoyance steaming from Epi's posts to start this day when nutella and I showed up.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
Why

I posted a link a few posts up.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:36 pm did you not send an action at all n1 epi?

I did not. That was my fault and it was uncharacteristic of me. I was in two games at once and I was focusing on the other and missed the deadline.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:29 pm I haven't read, but if JJJ and Sloonei are voting for me, fuck this shit. I'm claiming.

I'm a limited role blocker. I had to ask because my role didn't make any sense to me. In what way I am limited I don't know. But get your filthy votes of me.

I targeted Sloonei Night 2 and I targeted no one Night 1 because I goofed.
This smells like bullshit.

Lynch my ass and see. Go on.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:29 pm I haven't read, but if JJJ and Sloonei are voting for me, fuck this shit. I'm claiming.

I'm a limited role blocker. I had to ask because my role didn't make any sense to me. In what way I am limited I don't know. But get your filthy votes of me.

I targeted Sloonei Night 2 and I targeted no one Night 1 because I goofed.
That can be a true claim and still have no bearing on your alignment. One could argue it's worse than no claim at all.

Why is Sloonei the best player to block on Night 2?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p598879

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:29 pm I haven't read, but if JJJ and Sloonei are voting for me, fuck this shit. I'm claiming.

I'm a limited role blocker. I had to ask because my role didn't make any sense to me. In what way I am limited I don't know. But get your filthy votes of me.

I targeted Sloonei Night 2 and I targeted no one Night 1 because I goofed.
I do not believe that I was roleblocked last night.

I'm telling the truth.

I haven't read, but if JJJ and Sloonei are voting for me, fuck this shit. I'm claiming.

I'm a limited role blocker. I had to ask because my role didn't make any sense to me. In what way I am limited I don't know. But get your filthy votes of me.

I targeted Sloonei Night 2 and I targeted no one Night 1 because I goofed.

I cannot vote in the poll. Is that just me?

Turnip Head was not expecting to die, so:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:05 pm I chose Radishes over Speed

TH thought it was safe to claim responsibility for breaking ties. That's something to think about.

Aveline

Whip: Can disarm one player a night.

You're a Heathenous Spy

Unless "disarm" has an unusual meaning here.

Fuck me another tie.

I come upstairs from cooking while the oil is warming up after having chopped all the vegetables and there's one new post. This is a shameful display.

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm I wrote things. Big things. Nobody is talking about those big things. Why is nobody talking about those big things.
link?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p598879

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 86#p598886

I wrote things. Big things. Nobody is talking about those big things. Why is nobody talking about those big things.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:50 pm Tony voted leetic and it doesn't look like he ever took his foot off the gas.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 am Leetic is putting in real work here.
Okay then.
Lynch on cruise control

What?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:12 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:05 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 pm Blah blah blah making a big deal out of nothing.
So basically I was uncertain about leetic's alignment and adjusted my stance slightly a few times over 72 hours? Wow. Thank god we have you on the case.

As you like to say, do better.
My vote is on Sloonei. Am I doing better?
You're voting for someone no one else is voting for with a few hours left, and meanwhile throwing shade in a couple other directions. Is that better?
If that's your concern, I can remedy that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
Yeah, if you prefer.

You're voting for someone else no one else is voting for with a few hours left.

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Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:05 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 pm Blah blah blah making a big deal out of nothing.
So basically I was uncertain about leetic's alignment and adjusted my stance slightly a few times over 72 hours? Wow. Thank god we have you on the case.

As you like to say, do better.
My vote is on Sloonei. Am I doing better?
You're voting for someone no one else is voting for with a few hours left, and meanwhile throwing shade in a couple other directions. Is that better?

If that's your concern, I can remedy that.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 pm Blah blah blah making a big deal out of nothing.
So basically I was uncertain about leetic's alignment and adjusted my stance slightly a few times over 72 hours? Wow. Thank god we have you on the case.

As you like to say, do better.

My vote is on Sloonei. Am I doing better?

Tony voted leetic and it doesn't look like he ever took his foot off the gas.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:20 am Leetic is putting in real work here.

Okay then.

I'm trying to read ted's leetic stuff but I'm not understanding half of it. Will revisit.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:27 am Actually, don't worry about it. It'll just be 'I read it this way' 'but I meant it this way' sort of discussion, which I don't find particularly useful, myself.

Ted, why did you vote Leetic? I know it's a common enough tactic for civs to vote without reasoning, but 'this feels good for now' is a sort of pseudo-justification that sends sirens off for me. Why does/did it feel good?

Radishes gave ted shit about voting for leetic but ended up voting leetic himself. Mind you ted had three votes and leetic had four.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:21 am I'm in mild agreement with suspicions about leetic, but his list of voters is uninspiring.

Here the tide starts to turn. "Mild agreement" "Voters uninspiring."

What the hell is an inspiring voter? What does that mean?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am So, leetic... I'll do this like counting cards in Blackjack. Start at 0, +value for towny, -value for wolfy.

First post (beyond guitar vid) is criticising the level of Day 1 activity in the thread. A valid criticism, we were 7 hours into Day 1, and not one player had tried to get serious. I liked this opener. +2 (2)

Second post votes Sloonei for having three posts, 100% dedicated to setup speculation. 4 hours AFTER telling the thread to get going, with still no serious responses. I liked this as well, which is why I decided to double down the vote. +2 (4)

Third post is a little sketchy. It's nice to see the genesis of the Mikey-Sloonei thing, but leetic's calling Mikey's post "weird" doesn't check out, because Mikey isn't "calling out Sloonei for setup speculation", he's criticising Sloonei's speculation with a hypothetcal designed to reveal the pointlessness of Sloonei's discussion. -1 (3)

Post 4:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
I quoted this one because Mikey's post is something I don't really understand. I don't see how that is, in any way, a response to leetic's question. It's a really weird response.

THEN leetic responds to Mikey... but in third person, like he's presenting Mikey's post to everyone else rather than responding to it. Also just weird, I don't really like that he specifically disengaged from the conversation, but it makes them look less than teammate-compatible, so there's that. Vote switch does please me, and makes sense, if Mikey's departure from previous town behaviour is accurate, it's a better reason to vote than Sloonei's speculation. +0 (3)... -1 for ts account.

Post 5 continues the meatiness that I am so far liking in leetic's posts. The "pocketing" discussion so far is just randomly generated by Mikey, and leetic's response to his pressing on the subject is the right response to the odd curveball.

Suspicion of tedxtr's early towncore feels good.

Radishes calls leetic out on the casual (too casual?) talk, leetic gives a reasonable response. Maybe Radishes is right, I wouldn't have noticed such a thing if he hadn't pointed it out. Slight minus on this post's score, a la Radish.

The tedxtr interactions, I don't agree with tedxtr's criticism of leetic's... whole game so far, I guess. +1 (4)

Post 6 leetic gives a list of reads with some explanation. Looks like genuine solving. +1 (5)

Post 7 Dragomir responded negatively to leetic's assessment that he was just sheeping Sloonei with no original thoughts. Dragomir's reaction to the accusation was mild defensive hostility, which is a -1 for him, and leetic's reply was a reasonable explanation and a prod toward fixing the apparent problem. Dragomir would have looked better if he had given original thoughts instead of just bristling at leetic's observation. +1 again for leetic (6)

Post 8 Dragomir doubles down on the idea that leetic is prodding him to "create random thoughts out of thin air so [he] could be original". Like, where do thoughts come from usually? Amazon? You have to, like, think about things to get thoughts. leetic shames Dragomir and casts a vote that I judge to be valid. +1 (7) Is leetic still in the lead for votes? He looks really town so far, where are the suspicions coming from?
I think you're being a bit generous in giving out your +s. E.g. his opener was okay, but +2? That's an opening post a wolf could definitely make. And with the last couple posts, I actually felt leetic's insistence that Drago come up with reads on me/Ted was a bit contrived - Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to, and leetic tried to make it sound like that was unthinkable, which I don't think it is.

But overall, I agree that leetic's play has been fine on reflection. I wouldn't place him out of the PoE by any means, but other than a couple of circumstantial details (casual tone, pressing of Drago over something inconsequential) I don't see any red flags.

leetic is fine again. No red flags.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:21 am I'm in mild agreement with suspicions about leetic, but his list of voters is uninspiring.
Can you elaborate? This feels like the most wishywashy read you've posted all game
I can make far wishierwashier posts, don't you worry.

To elaborate: I was trying to say that, sure, I don't particularly townread you myself, but the people currently voting for you are players I'm equally iffy on (TSP has done nothing, Ted I've made my thoughts clear on, Funnygurl has posted a lot but hasn't said very much). Do I really want to follow the lead of three players I'm null, at best, about?

leetic expressed a negative viewpoint against Radishes.

At least I see what "uninspiring voters" means. It's a way to make others responsible for the lack of conviction behind your own vote.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:18 am Leetic - similarly to LC, there was an early post of his I felt was iffy based on its tone/phrasing; in Leetic's defense, he has continued to talk in the same way, so I think my argument there is invalid. Beyond that, I feel that I generally don't mind his posts individually, and I feel I see an attempt to gamesolve. But at the same time, I feel as if he's...on his own. Like, he's not really tussling with others, just sort of floating by on the fringe of what's going on. And that rings an alarm bell for me.

Why would leetic being on his own set off alarm bells? Wouldn't that be a civilian indicator?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:28 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:20 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:00 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:16 am Let’s maj leetic
Since I cased you, could you at least have the decency to case me? Your current case stinks
There's no world where you believe in your scum read on me as a town here.
To jump off of this, a long while back I noticed my two early mild suspicions (you and leetic) did not seem aligned. It's D1 so I wasn't concerned about that, figuring it would sort itself out as time went on, and in the moment I decided you were more suspicious so voted there first.

But I do feel like leetic has stuck to his scumread of you and I don't really remember why he thinks you're scum. Basically, his read feels static. I know to you, ted, this must sound rich coming from me, but I didn't actually keep harping on about you the entire time - it only came up again once I re-voted you later and you asked why. (And I've already said I'm shifting away from that read.)

When I read leetic's posts I like them well enough, but then later (like now) I can't remember what he's thinking. That might be my own failing, but it's also something I'm a bit uncertain about with regard to his presence in the game.

I hesitate to lynch someone who's been on the lynch list for most of D1 - in general, I prefer some movement as the day evolves - but of all the ongoing wagons this is the one I'm still most okay with existing.

(Feel free not to respond to me, ted, since you made clear you don't want to play with me. And FYI my vote is coming off you at some point, I just haven't found a landing spot yet.)

This is the last thing Radishes had to say about leetic before voting.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:03 pm But I still have more things to say. The perfectionist in me wants to lay out my case for leetic in full, among other things.
Go for it. I'm willing to vote leetic, but I'll hold off.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:09 pm [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

I have to go soon. Bed time for radishes.

I hope you slept well.

God I wish I had two votes to cast.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:37 pm I should finish reading everything before I post.
I got some names mixed up from multitasking while sleep-deprived. Your vote is bad.

What about now?

Here thar be shite:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:37 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:52 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:50 am [VOTE: leetic ] aubergine
leetic is my strongest town read at the moment.
Drag me into the darkside... Why?
this

Other than talking about a few other people, there isn't much interaction between that and then this:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:10 pm I was about to move my vote to leetic but I saw he already has 4 votes.

Sloonei, I know what your answer was to Dragomir, but why did you feel it was necessary to say this if you didn't move it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 am leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"
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leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?
No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:18 am I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.
I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:37 am The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!
I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.
I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?
Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:36 am @ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?
I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.
I'll stop there.
Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.
I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.
I wouldn't say I'm scum reading him.

I don't get why any of this exists.

At the beginning of Day 1, you said:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:20 am This mini progression:
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leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:51 pm C'mon guys, I'm here, why are y'all not doing anything
1. leetic wants to get the action started.

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leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.

2. Frustrated at the lack of action, leetic makes something happen. He specifically targets a player he expects to be vocal.

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leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm
The intention of the posts themselves was not to speculate about mechanics. That particular post was me realizing that it was probably not a host error, and a search for answers among the folks who knew the theme better than I do. I don’t actually give a shit what the speculative mechanics might be. I just care that the possibility for mechanics exists.

Now explain why my mindset is not indicative of an honest civilian.
Suppose you were given the information that a mechanic exists that removes the two players from the player list, they cannot be voted on or targeted with actions, and they cannot post.
Where do you go from there?

Funnygurl, please tell me you are not a wolf.
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

3. leetic follows up on the events he has set in motion.

All of this looks good to me. leetic looks engaged and thoughtful. He's generating content, but he's not forcing reads.

Then you voted leetic for this:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 pm I want to return to this post as well:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 am Reads on a few more active players:

Dragomir: I think a lot of his posts have been more CWAC. I mean, there's very little that he has posted that Sloonei hadn't already posted, and he's only interacting with the same people that Sloonei had been. GTH scum, because I do not see him making his own content.

Funnygurl: Likely town, seems similar to her town play in the hydra game.

Master Radishes: I do like their posts so far, does seem like they are trying to solve the game and approaching multiple players, so town read.

Sloonei: I'd say town, as he is now trying to get discussion going.

tedxtr: I honestly am not a fan of this slot, I explained why their vote for me was kinda lame and I don't really like his "Was to shoot shit around, I wanted to bait a reaction or something", it seems like backtracking given that his initial vote for me was laden with the same amount of reasoning. Scum read for sure.

ts account: His play in this game is much different than what I'm used to, he's much more tunnelly than he usually is and is much less casual during D1. I haven't seen his scum play yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.
No one asked for this and it did not seem like it had any direction to it. leetic just plopped down six reads on six sporadically-selected names. I could see this being the product of a big bad wolf who wants to look proactive. The reads are all pretty superficial, and we can see the seeds of his ted vote which he is still clinging to at this very moment, and which I've just highlighted as the basis for my current vote. The dragomir suspicion also seems arbitrary, and the ts read is the kind of loosely-held suspicion that I could see as a mafioso putting a pin in a case in the event that it gains momentum later on.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I should finish reading everything before I post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:44 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm Here's a fun one: A readlist based only on people's current votes:

Good votes - MacDougall, Sloonei, Funnygurl, ts account, Epignosis
Not Good Votes - Turnip Head, Master Radishes, Long Con, TSP, Ted
That's...completely subjective and therefore useless.

The spread is 2/2/2/2/1/1/1. How did you decide whose vote was good and whose was bad?
The target of the vote.

And yes it's subjective, it's a readlist.

I'm not sure how anyone could sincerely vote for funnygurl after her play the latter half of today. And voting for tedxstr is just wrong.

I'm voting ted. You said my vote was a good vote. What?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm Here's a fun one: A readlist based only on people's current votes:

Good votes - MacDougall, Sloonei, Funnygurl, ts account, Epignosis
Not Good Votes - Turnip Head, Master Radishes, Long Con, TSP, Ted

What makes my vote a good one?

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