The Syndicate

I have decided to disrespect Longus Conguses wishes.

[VOTE: cape] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:33 pm Dammit lol,

I kinda wanna swap from LC to Cape, but should reread both wagons first. I didn't trust my gut enough during Wolfwalkers and it's making me desire to be more impulsive, in spite of rationally thinking figuring out the wolf between LC and Nutella would be super valuable.

No, don't. I'm looking forward to playing my song.

I will respect your wishes.

I do wish I had time to iso Cape before EoD. If one of you beautiful people could do that for me and lmk what you think Idt appreciate it.

Dammit lol,

I kinda wanna swap from LC to Cape, but should reread both wagons first. I didn't trust my gut enough during Wolfwalkers and it's making me desire to be more impulsive, in spite of rationally thinking figuring out the wolf between LC and Nutella would be super valuable.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm Yeah, that ugly factor just occurred to me. Town needs to get better bonuses for surviving a Battle.

You me "we need better bonuses?"

I'm sitting here thinking about the stifled wagons and Cape is really pinging my tinfoil.

Some items I saw during the catch-up seem gross.

The vote on Nutella is effectively pointless putting LC and Nutella still battling.

I'm realizing that Abigail never gave cape a tr this game. (Doesn't Abigail normally read Cape well or is that misinformation? Putting in parentheses as I don't know for sure.)

Cape's TR of sheep (that I still disagree with) felt the most inorganic of the sheep readers.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:17 pm Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.

Maybe my Wolf team just believes in the power of my song.

A Wolf has a significant advantage in a musical duel against a Townie, because they are automatically up two votes, assuming a team of three.

Ew, I didn't think about that. I don't like that and the fact that we had a Muslim with no vote feels even worse in hindsight now.

Eeeeeeeh... Idk wagononics are weird this game. It's entirely possible that stagnation is caused by "safer" bussing as the wagons effectively cause a coin flip anyways.

Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:09 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:14 pm Allow me to add to my PoE conclusions, that Nutella/LC are the closest thing I've seen/felt to a dif check this game.

They aren't aligned and it's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

Out of a pool of *checks notes* 2 players...

being on robyn is the last reason I am voting nutella

Neat, the 2 person wagon that kept you and sheep potentially out of elimination as if that's somehow insignificant?

Solving Nutella/LC is only slightly less important than solving Pyx at this junction.

Like, that was a 7 sentence paragraph detailing on how I think to solve Abi, I shouldn't have or need to respond to a disagreement on it with a blanket "why."

*writes meta explanation on how Abi utilizes trs and how to read between the lines on it with examples and explanation.

Cape: no

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Aye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?

There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.

Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'

slightly bothered by this and the Abi segment in general

Why?

Wagons are still fine. Gonna go feed a child or two.

Like, I voted Pyx, argued Pyx was PoE, argued Robyn shouldn't, and Abi voted for the player I found wolfy amongst the lead wagons and I should question it in great detail after already town reading the slot?

That's just silly.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:29 pm Actually, the read was in the next post, and I knew it... I just forgot by the time I was done writing about the sketchy post.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:12 pm Abi conclusion - town lean. Let them cook and let's see where they get to.

Still don't like it. He questions her drive-by vote on pyxxy, something people normally find to be suspicious, but ignores it to reach the townlean. I don't think Wilgy's reads here are genuine, because the logic he presents to reach them doesn't hold up.

Wowee, Abi, who I gave reasons to town read voted the same person I was voting and I wasn't inherently suspicious of it? WHAT A TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEST

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Aye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?

There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.

Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Gonna make me open a laptop to split this one up eh?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:14 pm Allow me to add to my PoE conclusions, that Nutella/LC are the closest thing I've seen/felt to a dif check this game.

They aren't aligned and it's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

I'm not entirely convinced that they both could be bad. That said, I'm not seeing bad Nutella, personally, but I realize others are and I guess the reasons--especially as they are from people who have played with her more recently. However, one flipping bad doesn't mean that the other one isn't also bad.

Did that make any sense outside of my brain?

Not really.

Nutella's and LC's actions towards each other and towards players seem like they can't be on the same team.

For example, their vote on Robyn. If they were on the same team, it means W Nut saw W LC vote Robyn and then decided "sure let's put all our eggs in one basket" and voted the same townie as their teammate. Wolves rarely do that in general and that's just one example of how they aren't aligned.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:36 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Hi Falc, how's your weekend going?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:30 pm @DrWilgy that's it?

Yee

Technology is Incredible!

Hmm...

How the hell do we handle TSP's slot?

If they are afk they haven't submitted. Sending TSP ever to clear the afk slot may as well guarantee a bonus for the other player sent.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:43 pm Now, by all means, I could be wrong on you entirely. I even think I've found lately that I just struggle to read you correctly LC. Gut reading is fine and dandy and I get that you've had vibe takes this game, but when vibe takes aren't getting us pelts and you continue to push me and had pushed a dead townie over, what am I to work with and think in that scenario?

Something else, unless you want to be the next one strung up for placing a vote on a town member.

I mean, I think I've given you everything you'd need to help me get to that "something else" I've elaborated on my PoE in detail. Why am I correct or incorrect on that PoE? Who have I wrongly removed from PoE?

Now, by all means, I could be wrong on you entirely. I even think I've found lately that I just struggle to read you correctly LC. Gut reading is fine and dandy and I get that you've had vibe takes this game, but when vibe takes aren't getting us pelts and you continue to push me and had pushed a dead townie over, what am I to work with and think in that scenario?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:52 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine she seems the most manipulative.

Yeah, so like both of you, theoretically independently saw the Porscha Robyn spat, and decided "this must be wolf" and just threw votes on town without much more context than what was given above.

I think specifically with you LC I inquired about the manipulative behavior and idk if I saw the response. I can check for that next.

I've skimmed, and no you didn't elaborate.

If I ask for the info that'd make your vote feel less like a random wolfy shove and you don't provide it, what do you expect me to do when I'm to question the accountability of those who pushed town?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:31 pm But in all seriousness, why would I think that one of the players that yeeted Robyn had town intentions behind it?

You act like you have never seen two town players vote for the same town player.

We all know that is a lie, and that it is a lie that you find it "hard to think" that one of us isn't a Wolf.

Aye, I have seen townie votes on town. The problem is you both put rather crud votes on town lol.

Why would that specifically be a lie? Wolves need to push town and you two did.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:52 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine she seems the most manipulative.

Yeah, so like both of you, theoretically independently saw the Porscha Robyn spat, and decided "this must be wolf" and just threw votes on town without much more context than what was given above.

I think specifically with you LC I inquired about the manipulative behavior and idk if I saw the response. I can check for that next.

Lemme look and pull the votes 1 sec.

But in all seriousness, why would I think that one of the players that yeeted Robyn had town intentions behind it?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:14 pmit's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

Bullshit

Oh, was I not careful enough

Not a lot of arguments that would invalidate either LC or Nutella as Pyxxys teammate.

From Nutella there's just this and it really does nothing for me.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:56 pm pyxxy would be fine i gave him a slight pass for being funny

From LC there was this brief moment going against the Pyx voters here:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:56 pm You all were extremely agreeable that Long Con was a Wolf, and yet your vote ended up snuggled up with the others on pyxxy. Cool universal Wolf read, guys, really looks almost real, but you didn't stick the landing. BLNT

so like in a W/W LC/Pyx world, it's kinda weird. I.e. if Pyx or LC ever went down this would kinda bind them.
However, it could be just generally discouraging of Pyx voters by going at it like this?

And then from Pyx there's just this one here re Nutella.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:58 pm well i don't not wolfread long con


i think most likely he and robyn aren't both wolves

well now I'm confused because didn't you literally just light sus both of them

or is this you clarifying

Does a wolf go to immediately contradict their scummate like so?

Eh. Not enough data. Both Nut and LC work with Pyx. I'm still cool with these wagons.

Allow me to add to my PoE conclusions, that Nutella/LC are the closest thing I've seen/felt to a dif check this game.

They aren't aligned and it's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:29 pm @Long Con -

who do u think is maf with nut?

Wilgy would be my best guess. I get a vibe from him like he's trying very hard to seem towny, but isn't genuine.

Is this where I ask why you think this and you say "nah, not talking to you doc!" ?

Hard to specify feels, just a vibe I get from you. Too carefully towny.

What's "careful" about my play lol? I'm literally spamming the thread with garbage.

LC vs Nut is a fine.

I think LC, Pyx, TSP contain the mafia team. Still have Nut in this "could be wrong" so that's probably fine as well.

SPF has come out of PoE and I guess Sheep as well as they keep getting tr'd and I guess I was just wrong. Plus idk if Sheep team kills Abi.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:29 pm @Long Con -

who do u think is maf with nut?

Wilgy would be my best guess. I get a vibe from him like he's trying very hard to seem towny, but isn't genuine.

Is this where I ask why you think this and you say "nah, not talking to you doc!" ?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:27 pm so i wanna say that a POE of tsp/nutella/sheep/pyxy/long con should maybe have all the wolves?

maybe that POE is too big - i could remove long con if im feeling generous but eh kinda torn on him

I think we've come to similar conclusions about the game. Last time I shared a braincell with another player *cough Scotty cough*, they were a wolf, but your progress as you catch up feels genuine.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:39 pm so what, we're working with

TonyStarkPrime
LoRab
Porscha
nutella
Sheep
Cape90
Long Con
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca
DrWilgy

+ me

TSP is milo problem. I could see him attempting to avoid meta via silence after getting caught quick in Severance. Occam's says he's just afk.
LoRab was summoned. skimmed game from 2015. seems to match fine. civvie
Porscha has whim and not accepting other people's worlds blindly. civvie
Nutella still making me feel odd
Sheep; sucks that Robyn died before explaining the Sheep obv details. will tunnel
Cape; I can't read Cape
Long Con; need to re-read
SPF; unsure
falcon can be town
Wilgy has an agenda and that makes me very suspicious

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Robyn voters were Long Con, nutella
pyxxy voters were robyn (town), DrWilgy, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆ (town w/ untied shoes)

otoh maybe I just call Wilgy and Cape town and go from there

at this time my focus is on Nutella Sheep Cape LC

ttyl

I'd love for this post to not feel so arbitrary. I look forward to your return my friend.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).

if drwilgy is mafia it means he was townsiding p hard with his d1 reads, which is proly a good sign for him

2/4 on first set of reads being correct is town siding from a wolf perspective? Why?

Oh, damn. I can't vote Pyx.

Shucks.

anyways,

[VOTE: Pyx] aubergine

Also I was forced to take a break from ISOs. (Thanks kids)

PoE before EoN remains TSP, Sheep, LC, SPF, and Pyx. This should theoretically become smaller as we advance.

The player that I'm not as confident in my tr on is Nut. They can be added to the PoE if the gamestate calls for it.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:10 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:43 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf

I highly disagree

I don't see how this is a town slot. Please elaborate.

Right so what I did was I read the post and went. Why does a wolf post this? And I decided uh they don't?

Than I thought what about town? And I thought oh they do

So than I told you your read is wrong

I suppose we just disagree then.

I really felt like a wolfy pop in where the wolf doesn't know where they should push. They know they should, but not how.

1st post is like "I'm definitely here and will do things, but not really and I'll absolve myself of responsibility in the same post" then the posts after are on you and Robyn who's dead, then back to me, without saying anything other than "let's discredit some discussion."

Is that wolfy though? Cause I don't think it is

Aye, I tend to think it is. Wolves keem themselves free if possible and when they lock down it's normally strategic in nature.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:16 am I'm feeling wilgy + Porscha is a distinct possibility but I still town read them more than I tinfoil them so meh

You mean this? This was the only mention that I noticed that had a process behind a read.

I also don't normally think of associative reads as weird?

Actually, I feel like I shoulda known this. Feels like a distant memory going "heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey" before blipping out of existence again.

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:00 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:25 pm Me trying to figure out who "LA" is in the post about robyn:

Sorry--Nutella. LA used to be her nickname based on prior user name. LA is her name in my brain.

This makes more sense.

Eh, I really still don't see it. Robyn has the capacity to utilize tmi as wolf to position themselves better than where they landed and that effort was just not made. I kinda really think we are seeing tired Robyn, and I don't think that's AI.

I think it's this post specifically that makes me think Robyn is out of wolf range.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:09 am abbie coming into the thread and townreading me and building a towncore is v!abbie i believe. maybe i'm biased that she read me right but i will reevaluate this later

porscha coming into the thread and thinking i was wolfing was slightly towny. i don't know why she suspected me beyond vibes. but suspecting me and instantly being confrontational is what i expect of v!porscha, especially after the previous two games where she saw me wolf up closely. so, porscha, i ask, why do you suspect me?

i am unsure of nutella's alignment and i expected something to sway me one way or another, but something hasn't

It's super hedgey, but it's content based, not just whimsy hedge that I'd expect from someone just content making. There's At least a background process provided on the Abi and Porscha interactions that are of note.

If this is in fact tired W Robyn, they went out of their way to off themselves it seems.

Blah, you're gonna make me reskim Robyn when it really doesn't matter aren't you?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:31 pm And robyn used the stupid gojo gif which already i thought was wolfy but i know theyd laugh and tell me its nai which is plenty likely, but they used that gif as some way to display energy coming into the thread and then immediately died and admitted they were tired from their recent wolf rand streak

Don't they also use that Palpatine gif around thread entry which is mostly nai as well though?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:25 pm Me trying to figure out who "LA" is in the post about robyn:

I presume an autocorrect of LC?