The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 3:39 pm The only block I got I used on Jack.

I always appreciate gathering night actions.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm I suppose to put it simply there was just not enough civ play. DDL and I never really got put under pressure at all until it was way too late. There is so much to be said about just pressuring people for the sake of it and it needed to happen here to get a win.

Imo what happened is that nobody really knows my scum meta here, at least before this game. My previous record for baddie survival was day 3. People had a strong mental image of what civ DDL looks like, and probably no image of bad DDL, except maybe the memory of me easily getting caught. I managed to internalize my civ meta and pour into my posts to at least make people confortable around me. When paranoia started kicking in, it was too late.

I'm probably one of the least often lynched civs in this site. I pretty much only ever get lynched as civ at lylo. People are used to that. I predict this may change after this game as people now have a mental image of a baddie DDL getting away with it.

So yeah next time may not be so easy.

Literally had this conversation on Chatzy.

Jack: I think DDL is town. I always think DDL is town.

Dunya: Cause you’ve never seen him flip bad before.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

Strongly agree.


Supposed you have 7 players.

3 are good townies, 2 are inactive townies and 2 are mafia.

Modkilling the 2 inactive townies puts you at lylo. Not modkilling the 2 inactive townies puts you at lylo.

So what modkilling does is mean you play a game of 3 townies vs 2 mafia, which is significantly more fun than a game of 3 townies, 2 mafia and 2 inactives that you have no real way to confirm as town and who won't be voting.



Suppose you have 3 players.

1 is a good townie, 1 is an inactive townie and 1 is an inactive scum. Scumkill is randomized.

I think it is more fun to say the town won by lynching all active scum than to have a game of mafia (that may have lasted a month or two) come down to a coin flip.



This is not to say that the mafia won because of inactive townies. However, the game would have been more fun if several players had been modkilled halfway through.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 pm 2. Epignosis and Jay were too preoccupied in the early game with their endless dick swinging match to actually use their skills to find actual bad guys. Even my presence wasn't enough to get them to turn their eye at me instead of each other.

This isn't true. I never really suspected JJJ until after I died.

It was an act. If you read back through the thread, I never went after JJJ during the Day. Only at Night.

To keep him alive.

I knew what I was doing.

The perception is all that matters though.

+1

I saved you [mention]Long Con[/mention] and you lynched me for it.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

What was your wincon?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 pm

Night 6 has ended.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay was killed.

Spoiler: show

He was Rinka Hayami.

I could try really hard but it wouldn’t change my townie role card.

I have the second most posts and Jimmy has double my post count. No wonder we’re failing.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You can’t fool me except all the times you diiiiiid.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:47 pm Following around my top scum read. Again.

I better be wrong about you or this is gonna go down as my worst town game.

[VOTE: Wolbre] aubergine

If you're wrong about me wouldn't that contribute to a bad town game?

Yeah, but I’d just be wrong a lot.

If I’m right about you but follow you every day anyhow, I’m a sucker.

Somehow, swinging and missing feels better.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:48 pm I like the Jack lynch. Hot potato isn't on my list of favourite things right now.

I still think you’re good.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:47 pm don't kinkshame me :\

I’ll send you the horse links I sent Epi.

Following around my top scum read. Again.

I better be wrong about you or this is gonna go down as my worst town game.

[VOTE: Wolbre] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:35 pmKyle trending down but that’s largely cause I want him to vote earlier.

voting with mere seconds to spare before the poll closes is the only way i can feel anything anymore

Worst kink ever.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:35 pmKyle trending down but that’s largely cause I want him to vote earlier.

voting with mere seconds to spare before the poll closes is the only way i can feel anything anymore

Worst kink ever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Do you plan lynch setups beyond “X looks bad. I bet we can get him lynched today”?

I don’t.

Do you think you looked bad? I sure as hell had no idea until I did my Epi-interaction reviews.

Sure. I’m normally way more on top of stuff.

Hot potato wolbre04?

I know I’m good more than I know you’re bad.

I’m up for it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Do you plan lynch setups beyond “X looks bad. I bet we can get him lynched today”?

I don’t.

Do you think you looked bad? I sure as hell had no idea until I did my Epi-interaction reviews.

Sure. I’m normally way more on top of stuff.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:24 pm Jackofhearts2005

Gun to head reads on all players GO GO GO

Still think you and Mac are bad.

This just reads fake to me. Put most concisely while we're in the final stretch here:

What do you think Mac and I planned to do in BTSC entering this day phase?

Do you plan lynch setups beyond “X looks bad. I bet we can get him lynched today”?

I don’t.

Hitman shouldn’t be full inactive cause Dizzy, while lame, is a strategic hit.

Think who would bus an inactive teammate and who wouldn’t.

Nova....deserves a read but I can’t remember any of their posts. Sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:24 pm Jackofhearts2005

Gun to head reads on all players GO GO GO

Still think you and Mac are bad.

Still think Scotty, DDL, Juliets, LC are good.

Kyle trending down but that’s largely cause I want him to vote earlier.

Marmot gth town I guess.

Wolbre gth scum.

Dom, INH, PW nothing. One is veeeery likely bad due to odd kill/silence choices and people being opinionated about which one to lynch.

Who did I miss?

Let’s see that mind change, Jay...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:05 pm It's almost time for Mac's favorite part of every day phase, when Jay changes his mind at the last minute.

I can’t wait.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

You exaggerate this. It was basically just you saying that, with JJJ slightly saying he considered it. Juliets and Kyle didn't think so. No one else talked about it.

Juliets said yes. One more person said no. Kyle just asked questions about it.

Why is this important? You’re talking about the nuance of a point that is part of an argument for why I didn’t see Epi as trying to avoid lynch.

Even if this is all debunked, Epi still said “I don’t care if I get lynched.”

You’re like arguing over if one play should have been considered a fumble or not looking at a bunch of camera angles and sub rules to see who won....but the score was 63 to 3.

Who cares?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 pm jack when did you start suspecting epignosis?

Idk, man. Apparently, there was a Jimmy case but all I remember is him being super unhelpful and stubborn....which in hindsight is a bad reason to vote.

You liked it at the time.

Assess the quality of this case, even now with hindsight.

It’s good on paper. I let it be enough.

But Epi is unhelpful and stubborn and latches on to stupid things as town all the time. He’s also supatown sometimes, like in FE and ASOUE.

Idk who I should have chosen instead if not you.

Vote somewhere else plz. Kthnx.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:41 pm One thing I want to ensure is clear for Kyle's dialogue here:

When Jack said he had a lingering bad feeling or whatever it was, I believe he was referring to me and not to Epignosis. Jack please correct me if not.

This is correct.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 pm jack when did you start suspecting epignosis?

Idk, man. Apparently, there was a Jimmy case but all I remember is him being super unhelpful and stubborn....which in hindsight is a bad reason to vote.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:22 pmjack...

Kyle...

So [VOTE: INH] aubergine

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

So why aren’t you voting for me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:49 pm Anyone want to give me the best evidence they can think of that Jack is a civilian?

My post count.

Well you know actually...

I hear that’s NAI, tho.

I got absolutely nothing done at work today you guys.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:49 pm Anyone want to give me the best evidence they can think of that Jack is a civilian?

My post count.

[VOTE: Vote Pennywise] aubergine

I still suspect Jay and Mac but as I've said before, I'm a pragmatic guy.

Off to get the kids. This may be my last post today. Please don't lynch me.

(I don't actually hold any ill will against anyone. It's a game, regardless of anyone else's alignment. Just wanna make that clear cause I've been cursing a lot today.)

I'm going to have to put an * at the end every time I say "I don't get lynched" you bastards.

And if so, help me lynch someone else.

And if not, fuckadoodledoo.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:31 pm do you think a mafia jay goes through all this effort and comes to such a very specific conclusion just to lynch a single player

Yes, if he thought he'd get away with it.

Do you think he wouldn't? Tell me about that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:27 pm Jack, jay isnt on you because you didn't know epi was civ, he suspects you because you seem like you actually did. You approached his lynch and his behavior as if you already knew and were preparing for the correct conclusion. it seemed like you were trying to justify a vote for epignosis rather than actually believing that epignosis was the best recipient for a vote.

i don't like the way you've responded to Jay's case on you and somewhat related, I also don't like the way you've turned around on Mac and jay, these are things that don't seem like civ-things to me

Okay but why do they think that?

I don't know so I'm left with "I don't think they think that."

i think it's cus of ur posts

Thank you. That's very helpful.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:27 pm Jack, jay isnt on you because you didn't know epi was civ, he suspects you because you seem like you actually did. You approached his lynch and his behavior as if you already knew and were preparing for the correct conclusion. it seemed like you were trying to justify a vote for epignosis rather than actually believing that epignosis was the best recipient for a vote.

i don't like the way you've responded to Jay's case on you and somewhat related, I also don't like the way you've turned around on Mac and jay, these are things that don't seem like civ-things to me

Okay but why do they think that?

I don't know so I'm left with "I don't think they think that."

I'm willing to switch to an inactive instead of continuing with this headache inducing run around.

Errr...I guess Jimmy did have an Epi case? I don't even remember it tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

I like Jimmy's rainbow (save Juliets, who I’m not sure why people are voting for) and the Epi case but I can’t shake a bad feeling about him. Driving me up the wall over here. Waiting for the shoe to drop. Just not sure what kinda shoe it is.

Linki: I’ll read those Nova beefs in a bit. Nova is in one ear out the other for me.

Let's ensure we quote the entire post, because all of it is yucky.

This looks like someone who knows he is voting for a civilian and is preparing to allow someone else (i.e. me) shoulder the blame when he flips.

Your rainbow and Nova stuff has nothing to do with my vote on Epi.

How can I blame you for my vote on Epi when you're pushing a vote on Nova or Sprityo? Again, you think I'm setting you up?

Possible Smog missed Night 1, resulting in one messed up hit. I'd call it an alternative to the bad Wolbre theory but I don't want to seem waffly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:09 pm Tell me I'm bad for not posting enough on D1 again.

I didn't pursue that with any fervor. Irrelevant.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:09 pmTell me I'm bad for voting for townie Epi instead of townie Sprityo, again.

I'll give you credit for making up so many arguments and then shoving them into my mouth. Never said this or even implied it. You're not reading my posts.

You could have voted for Epignosis with all of the fervor and conviction in the world, and it'd have looked better than what happened.

Yeah, yeah. Proven wrong. Point back to big vague case of nothing. Repeat.

I'll be sure to make up conviction next time you're around.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:59 pm This whole case is one big joke.

So is your space-time continuum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:59 pm You had to voice your way into an Epignosis vote - I asked Epi what he was doing and he told me "fucking horses." That was me giving Epi a chance to show me he was town. Forced? Bah.

Epignosis said this over 3 hours after you placed your vote.

What is your point, exactly?

Here's my vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

That's all true and I later asked Epi to convince me I was wrong. "Forced." Nah.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

i thought i did? maybe not.

anyways plz pretend for me that you are the only one choosing who gets lynched today, you can't pick joe and you can't pick Mac, who would you choose?

Probably a quiet player.

I have some reason to believe DDL, LC, Juliets, Scotty and you are town. You've ruled out JJJ and Mac.

I'm left with a choice between Dom, INH, Marmot, Nova, PW, Wolbre.

I probably shoot Dom cause Jimmy wants to shoot INH. Maaaaaybe Wolbre since Scotty said there was maybe some teammate behavior there.

what makes you trust ddl and scotty?

Can't say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:02 pm The crux of Jimmy's case is that he thinks I should have known Epi was trying hard to not get lynched even though it is evident that Epi was doing no such thing.

That is not the crux of my case. That is the only portion of my case you seem interested in discussing.

Tell me I'm bad for not posting enough on D1 again.

Tell me I'm bad for voting for townie Epi instead of townie Sprityo, again.

How can you call me opportunistic with a straight face?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

i thought i did? maybe not.

anyways plz pretend for me that you are the only one choosing who gets lynched today, you can't pick joe and you can't pick Mac, who would you choose?

Probably a quiet player.

I have some reason to believe DDL, LC, Juliets, Scotty and you are town. You've ruled out JJJ and Mac.

I'm left with a choice between Dom, INH, Marmot, Nova, PW, Wolbre.

I probably shoot Dom cause Jimmy wants to shoot INH. Maaaaaybe Wolbre since Scotty said there was maybe some teammate behavior there.