The Syndicate

Not that I can access that chat right now

I'm in the 3-player POE, and I think everyone could figure it out by what's been claimed. Me, MP, and Hyena.

Okay actually, after looking at Juliets ISO once more, I'm really not feeling strong about the case on her. I'm not really finding anything to quote. Nutella's case on Juliets said the MR/Juliets interactions weren't 'inspiring', and I agree with that. But that could be the case for several others. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine for now. I need help sorting Juliets, if anyone has something else to add.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] How do we even cast group votes?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:58 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:55 pm Toward the end of MR's posts:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:19 pm Sure let's lynch Nanook.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:12 pm I should figure out how much I really think hyena and nanook are opposed, especially because I started off thinking they were specifically compatible. Idk the amount of "sure let's lynch nanook" in the thread rn is giving me some jeebies.

Considering he was nearly lynched and now there's still low-level chatter about him, yeah, I could see a townie that scum think is low-hanging fruit (in this scenario, not Nook himself as a player).

But sometimes scum are those players that sit in everyones outer PoE but are never actually lynched. At the moment Nook fits that mould better than anyone, I'd say.

I guess this could be distancing but it doesn't feel like it to me. I don't think they are teammates.

Yeah actually that's a quite good look for nanook imo

I think this is where everyone went from scumreading Nanook to townreading him. Because he was in nutella's top-lynch category before this, and in quite a few others'.

Since there was a pure lynch train there D1, I'm assuming other people changed their minds around the MR flip?

Okay that was tiring but I'll do Jules sometime soon I hope

TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:55 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:01 am My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:03 am Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:15 am I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:21 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:59 pm What if Tony and MR are both scum?

Funny, I was thinking MR and you

Distancing.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:37 pm I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:40 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:26 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:03 pm @TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:01 pm almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:40 am

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:19 pm I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:15 pm I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:40 pm I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:07 pm To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:14 pm I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:42 pm Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:23 pm Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:20 pm Chuck has admitted he has trouble SRing townies sometimes.

I never should have said that. You've been misapplying it to me the entire game.

My issue, as scum, is that I narrow the POE too much for myself. I'm too charitable as scum because I know what's right and would rather not drive any wagons myself because I'm not that great a liar. So I townread townies all over the place.

I wouldn't be able to be this aggressive as scum. I wouldn't have this large a POE as scum. You keep calling me out for scumreading people, specifically yourself, when the meta issue I mentioned is that when I'm scum I DON'T scumread people. I townread and build a small POE around it.

Not that this has anything to do with me voting Radishes D1, when I had scumreads on five active players.

Juliets and Tony look like the best targets for my ISOs today. Nanook and the tinfoil candidates come after, and I won't bother too much with Wilgy or New MP7 because there's not much there.

We'll see what I can get done.

Day 1

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes


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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

This looks a lot uglier than I thought it would, color-wise. But I'm on light theme, so maybe it'll look better for you guys.

I'm being as un-generous as possible here, because there are only so many conclusions I can draw from 2 days of wagons. But there are some notes I wanted to put up. These are mostly based on the wagons above, and I'm not putting too much stock in them because they don't reflect when the votes actually happened or why, but hey vote analysis.

-MR voted Tony both days, even above self-preservation. That's an action worth noting. I, for one, do NOT think that's a good look for Tony, though some might disagree. Looks like 'If I'm going to die anyway, let me do some distancing.' Notably, Tony cased MR D1 but then ended up voting for Sig. I'd like to know more about that, but haven't started ISOs yet.

-Of all the MR voters D1, DDL (ONLY LOOKING AT THE VOTE WAGON) is more likely scum out of the three. He was the one who first put the vote up. I made it a wagon, and Hyena campaigned/blackmailed for nanook to join. That said, the argument between DDL and MR was pretty strong, and I townread him by virtue of distancing alone.

-No conclusions can be drawn from nanooks D1 votes. It was all self-preservation. That's not his fault, though again I wish the people who voted him were alive to talk about why, since everyone remaining super-townreads him.

-Juliets wagon on D2 looks pretty freaking pure to me. I know Nanook and Tony would disagree, but it's a point worth making. Granted, Nanook's wagon has been proven pure, and there's only so far that can go, but it's still worth looking at.

Day 1

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes


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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

I can probably put in some work today.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm the most likely to provide information in his defense.

Hold up and what the heck does this mean

My point about Nanook not taking credit for his MR vote at all stands.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:55 am I'm beginning to think Nanook is town just because he keeps blindly self-implicating over the wagonomics.

speed, can you talk to me about this?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:30 am I mean I get what you’re saying but I think normal logic may not entirely apply given that radishes wasn’t even around to self prez and we had/have two non entities. Seems entirely possible that in a 3 scum world a more active partner would feel compelled to vote radishes, especially if one of the non entities is mafia, yeah?

Like I’m not pushing that world but I think it’s entirely plausible.

Nanook says it would be possible that an active partner would vote radishes. Which is something he did.

I think I misinterpreted this post a little bit into something stronger than it was, now that I look at it. Harumph.

Alright.

I've said about all I want to about you. What do you think of TSP?

The nanook case at this point would boil down mostly to MR interactions. It's not really a strong case because of meta, as much as I find his entire playstyle to be anti-town. "I'm town, but I don't hunt until D3, I focus on lurkers, and I make fun of town for their failures. That's just how I am."

I'd question how we had an entirely-town wagon on nanook D1 if he's a paragon of towniness, but all the people who voted him are dead, so we can't ask them.

On the good points side, I don't see much malice in nanook's constant tunneling of me. Tunneling is usually a town feature, particularly in players I get frustrated with, like nutella. His ISO didn't look horrible when I went through it, aside from the aforementioned things.

RIP LC. I guess he didn't necessarily know who he was killing, either? Jack was just like "I didn't send that in" and LC was like 'lol k die scum"

I think that confirms Jack as town even MORE?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:38 pm Like fuck dude, one of my strongest TRs just got strongarmed to death by a mechanical soft clear that should’ve known better, I’m gonna be sarcastic and snippy. Trying to read me off “he’s being snarky, kill him!” is just such a garbage way to read me.

This is the kind of attitude I expect to see, not 'you should have known better eat crow nerd'

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:38 pm “I’m tired of people that know Nanook’s game better telling me I’m wrong because then I’d have to find someone else to scumread”

Putting words in my mouth there.

TBH I just read most of Nanook's ISO and it doesn't look that bad in tone, but his snipe at the top of this page is disgusting and his MR-related content is not great.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:36 pm Hmmm something looks wrong with that order I put up. It seems like Nanook voted later than that. I'll look again.

Nanook was last, he self-preserved.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:18 pm My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

How many times are we going to have to tell you why Hyena seems town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:26 pm I feel like we've cleared someone we shouldn't have. Even if Juliets is in fact scum, there are probably one or two other than her.

MP could have become scum but 1. that seems to easy and 2. no way am I lynching the same guy two days in a row.

It worked so well the first time why wouldn’t you want to do it again

This is not a town attitude. Mindset ping.

I'm tired of people telling me I'm wrong because meta. They did it with Juliets, they did it with Nanook. Look where we are.

Screw it, no, nanook is scum.

To me, going by the poll alone, TSP, Juliets, and LC are the most suspect. No idea what the vote order is, and Sloonei/poison/MP was obviously not on there.

I understand we can't narrow it down 100% to those four, but it's a start. A POE of 4 will be the goal tomorrow, I think.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:05 pm Who is spreading COVID-19?

Poll ended at Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:00 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes

Let's talk about this again. Anyone?

Keep in mind that Nanook was on MR until self-prez at the last second.

I feel like we've cleared someone we shouldn't have. Even if Juliets is in fact scum, there are probably one or two other than her.

MP could have become scum but 1. that seems to easy and 2. no way am I lynching the same guy two days in a row.

Ouch.

That's all I'll say tonight, will rework things tomorrow.

I like the tag team idea, but they all bad

I'ma head out y'all. I've been on mafia too long today already. I'll check in in a half hour or so I guess

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm Maybe Hyena is scum.

Got to reconcile him campaigning for lynching his teammate D1, enough that he blackmailed nanook into voting for MR at one point.

Not to mention the other reasons I townread him, for the same reasons I townread 112.

I mean, MR didn't end up dying. Maybe it was calculated to the point where he realized Nanook would have to move to sig. But I guess that would require ascribing some of Hyena's agency to me and MP creating the tie. Hmm

I mean I guess he could be bad with MP there?

I feel like a fool if that's the case.

Yeah Hyena isn't scum without one or two sig voters on his team, for sure.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm Maybe Hyena is scum.

Got to reconcile him campaigning for lynching his teammate D1, enough that he blackmailed nanook into voting for MR at one point.

Not to mention the other reasons I townread him, for the same reasons I townread 112.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 pm From a scum perspective you usually want to be in communication with your mates if you're going to bus them. Usually. Wilgy was, if scum, setting up a bus without talking to his teammates about who died. I actually feel pretty good not lynching there.

No, I think the argument would be that he knew MR died and was faking not knowing and making up an organic looking scumread of him to look good. But that seems extremely far fetched imo.

I wouldn't lock him town for it, but yeah, I agree.

From a scum perspective you usually want to be in communication with your mates if you're going to bus them. Usually. Wilgy was, if scum, setting up a bus without talking to his teammates about who died. I actually feel pretty good not lynching there.

I have secret voted MP. Several posts ago.

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

Gonna feeel this one out.

Policylynch jack for lying

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:36 pm Lol MP has 100 more posts than me and also I didn't actually vote for him secretly yet.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:32 pm I feel kind of dirty about this with how much I was townreading him earlier. But I've gone back and forth on him so dramatically a couple times this game, so I guess there may be something there.

Is it odd that you going back and forth on me is actually a town-tell I have for you?

Sorry for unclear but that post was about MP lol. Slightly true about you but to a much lesser extent, I only started doubting my townread of you today

Ah. I guess it's not always about me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:33 pm MP7: My towngame and my scumgame are lightyears different
Also MP7: Puts forth most of his effort into ketchup and then disappears

Like I know you ain't at no dinner parties. We're quarantined and shit.

(If MP7 is like a doctor or something, sorry.)

He a professor or treacher or somethin' I think.

'Rona is why he's back, but he said something about being in like 3 games RN.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:32 pm I feel kind of dirty about this with how much I was townreading him earlier. But I've gone back and forth on him so dramatically a couple times this game, so I guess there may be something there.

Is it odd that you going back and forth on me is actually a town-tell I have for you?

By voting Sloonei >:D

(please don't actually vote sloonei)

We can beat Jack at his own game, you know

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:24 pm Honestly juliets so openly townreading me does actually give me some pause.

Maybe speed should be one of the competing wagons too goddammit.

why?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:20 pm If Jack really did already send a vote for MP, I support MP being the secret vote and for the public poll forming competing wagons on juliets and myself.

Let's do it. Anyone else in for this?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:13 pm Let's look at Juliets, MP, and nutella from a practical perspective. If we were to lynch two of them, which would give us the best path forward?

The worst case scenario would be two town flips, right? Which two town flips do you think would give us the most information?

*cringe*

Yeah I don't really like looking at it from that perspective. I don't want to strategize over 'but what if we're completely wrong and dumb'

I agree with most of your reads Jack.

But I also agree with nutella. You bein real stubborn today. Guess that's near-townfirm lyfe.

Lynching Juliets and nutella is just... I know they aren't scum together. I'd rather gamble one side or the other.
Same for MP and nutella. I don't think they're scum together, though I like this option better.

While Juliets and MP could be scum together AFAIK, I don't know if I want to leave nutella out of it.

Hence why I'm considering going after Sloonei with the secret vote, killing only one of the 3, and approaching with more info.
Your thoughts, Jack?

Let's look at Juliets, MP, and nutella from a practical perspective. If we were to lynch two of them, which would give us the best path forward?