The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:23 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:29 pm Before night comes -- which is a while -- I want full claims from Nanook and DDL.

You'll have to wait.

What’s the downside? Mafia gets blocked tonight when we all vote Hyena. Tomorrow is lylo.

Might as well get it in the open now and give us an extra day to digest if there are problems.

Same NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

If I thought it was beneficial for me to claim at this time I would’ve done so already

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:00 pm I'm like 90% convinced it's Tony now, though.

Just staying on Hyena cuz the plan is really that good.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:29 pm Before night comes -- which is a while -- I want full claims from Nanook and DDL.

You'll have to wait.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 am @TonyStarkPrime why have you stopped with the gimmicks?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:04 am I would agree

But I put a not totally dissimilar role in AC Mafia so I can’t say much lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:55 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:30 am I don’t actually think an action had to be wasted. I’ve been thinking about it a bit today, isn’t it just as possible that Radishes wrote the report for you and you used it as a “hey look how not partners we are” moment?

That’s the main reason I was TRing you, and uh...I’m not entirely sure I thought it through far enough tbh

If that was the case, LC’s power would have killed me, not Radishes. It killed whoever submitted the fake news.

I read it as he could functionally try to shoot any player/role, not that he could only kill the news reporter and only if they were scum?

So if he submitted a jack post, or a radishes post, or a hyena post, etc., that’s what would determine it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:51 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 am We’re at almost 50 percent odds on completely random lynches.

Tony, Speed had you in his PoE. If Nanook is town, and he got lynched today, that would mean you would have likely gone to an F3 with Speed. Jack pretty much has you locked town, which would explain why you wouldn't kill him in the night. However, he's the only one who has you in that kind of position. I expressed suspicion of you before townreading you yesterday, DDL has you in his PoE, and Nanook said he'd reconsider you if both Speed and Juliets flipped town (though, he's leaning towards me being scum now). Why shouldn't I think you killed Speed last night?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:52 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:41 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:37 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:28 pm

juliets/speed/tony

Here is DDL's PoE. What happens though if we get into a F3 of Jack/DDL/me? That would require a lynch on Nanook, and a night kill on Tony, right?

The thing I don't get though is why not bring DDL and Tony to F3 and just wait for DDL to go after Tony?

Why would an F3 of Jack/DDL/Tony ever happen with me still alive after Nanook is lynched? Why would I get nightkilled over DDL? I guess that F3 doesn't really make sense either.

Importantly Jack needs to nightkill you or lynch you at F3 to win.

You don't think he'd be successful in lynching me at F3?

Or lynching DDL?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:41 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:37 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 pm You guys go first.

juliets/speed/tony

Here is DDL's PoE. What happens though if we get into a F3 of Jack/DDL/me? That would require a lynch on Nanook, and a night kill on Tony, right?

The thing I don't get though is why not bring DDL and Tony to F3 and just wait for DDL to go after Tony?

Why would an F3 of Jack/DDL/Tony ever happen with me still alive after Nanook is lynched? Why would I get nightkilled over DDL? I guess that F3 doesn't really make sense either.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:29 am Win this for me, please!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:21 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:15 am Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:49 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:47 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:28 am About Tony.

My previous Tony ISO, which he has yet to respond to:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:57 pm TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:55 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:01 am My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:03 am Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:15 am I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:41 pm

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:37 pm I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:40 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:26 pm

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:01 pm almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:40 am

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:19 pm I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:15 pm I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:40 pm I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:07 pm To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:14 pm I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:42 pm Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:23 pm Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

Is it possible MP had given up on him and wanted to distance as much as possible? If MP could towncore himself into being that last slot of the POE, in MYLO, he might have had a chance.



Tony is one of the few who townread Wilgy, and is also less present than a lot of other people. AND he was in private chat with Wilgy, so wilgy had special insight to him. I sort of feel like that would make him more likely to kill wilgy last night.


(my gut still says it's nanook though.)

Wilgy and Tony townread each other though, right?

Wilgy still has additional context on Tony. I guess?

I don't know, man. Who do you think would kill Wilgy?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:46 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:42 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:36 am Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

So is it that you were frustrated in that one and you are frustrated here? I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just trying to understand why memories of that game might affect you in this one.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:05 am What if we’re all just town?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:36 am Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:14 am drifty wolves are whimper not bang folks.
Maybe Juliets was just voicing a possible clear on me to try to get a town read from you when I flipped? It's weird. Voicing a solid in thread defense of a player who should inevitably be lynched I think generally works well if that player flips scum, but we've established from discussion today that that is what we would expect MP to have done if I were scum, so maybe it doesn't work so well.

This whole game is WIFOM now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:12 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:20 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:14 pm Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

Thanks for saving me the words.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Yeah and I know you are not voting here but I feel juliets' "not telling Jack to move away from MP" looks less good than Nanook tagging me to make me change to MP and then later convincing me to do it when I showed up 3 minutes before the deadline.

Let me be devil’s advocate.

If Juliets is a wolf with MP, her giving up her vote and convincing me to vote away from Tony means there is a 2/3rds chance I vote a wolf instead. It doesn’t take her out of anyone’s POE except maybe mine.

If Nanook is a wolf with MP, the important thing is that he’s not in the POE and he remains not in the POE. A hard bus helps a lot with that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:05 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:10 am I’m actually kinda surprised you are tbh, didn’t we win a scum game together by all sussing each other? The wire maybe? It’s pretty much the same logic.

It’s not from a general rule standpoint. It’s also from a mindset standpoint. MP was in good spirits and also not really hammering Tony or Juliets or Wilgy in particular.

It feels in particular like the mindset of a wolf who knew we were headed for a town lynch and that either his partner was safe or he was thinking he’d be able to manipulate the POE on later days to make sure wolves were out of it. I think he pulls out some stuff to try to make himself look antialigned with Tony or Juliets if they’re his teammate or he works harder to expand the poe or shift them out of it.

Just being like “I’m fine with this” as we lynch his partner Tony or his partner Juliets is likely to go tomorrow does not seem like a winning strategy. We know MP is capable of Herculean effort. All he did was try to add DDL to the POE (citation needed).

Like I also don’t think wolf Juliets goes with the “but why am I scum” defense while letting me control our vote and privately expressing concern that Tony is town if she’s teamed with MP. That’s not opening the POE. That’s not taking her or her partner out of it. That’s shrinking it.

I’ve done the “agendaless wolf” play that I’m saying I don’t think Juliets is making.

It has resulted in me being POED out. It has resulted in very close games where I won because players were modkilled, giving me the extra town death I wasn’t going to get via mislynches.

And Juliets, amazing as her tone is, does not tend to passionately fight tooth and nail to prevent her own scum lynch the way I do. We both live our scum games on the bubble but she uses purity to be second or third priority and her own reads and opinions to not vote her partner whereas I lead mislynches and argue strongly that I’ve done townie things.

That is, I can live in a 4 player POE that contains both wolves, knowing I have a decent chance to force myself out of it or force someone into it or force a particular lynch order. Juliets cannot. She needs (and finds) a 5 player POE with 2 wolves in it or a 4 player POE with 1 wolf in it. She was not acting like wolf Juliets that needed to question a clear on a player outside the POE or just not see why MP could be a wolf and refuse to vote there.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:35 am That's an interesting thought on the Wilgy kill peedchuck. I haven't been able to see any motivation for that kill.

onyStarkPrime it would be really helpful for you to respond to speed's ISO of you. Is there a reason you haven't responded to it already?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:03 am Maybe no one left is scum.

Reminder: This happened once.

And me and Darkstone snap lynched third townie Link anyway.