The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 pm GTH I'd say SVS at this point. If our PoE is about right, Scotty is never wolf with SVS and I think the Long Con kill looks good for her. Both from the POV of her always wanting to push LC and that LC died townreading her while everyone else was suspecting her.
Thanks for the answer. At least behaviorally, S~V~S may be the among the less problematic names on the list. I disagree pretty strongly about the Long Con kill, but for the time being I'll leave it alone (understanding how folks feel about night kill analysis).

When you say "our POE", does that imply your own POE consists of the six not-you players in my POE?

Immediately, yes. I'm not confident it contains the full solve but I think it's a good place to look today and there are probably 2-3 mafia in there.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:51 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.
why?
i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me
One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.
but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn
I'd rather talk about something else.

I scumlean Scotty. I feel like he spent a lot of his time trying to appease SVS and there were a couple reads that felt forced from him.
mechanically if targeted by mafia he's town, no?

why do you wanna talk about something else?

He could curse himself or fake having it. I've actually done it myself in The Emperor's Soul where I had a self-imposed postcap.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.
why?
i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me
One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.
but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn

I'd rather talk about something else.

I scumlean Scotty. I feel like he spent a lot of his time trying to appease SVS and there were a couple reads that felt forced from him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:36 pm I have laid out reasons why these six players are town:

robyn, Bereft, DrWilgy, DarlingMonroe, RondoDimBuckle, and Cape90

If I am wrong about any of those, my entire process tumbles. I'd be grateful to hear of any disagreement from anyone. If those town reads are correct, then it leaves the POE of seven names I mentioned earlier. That's one more than a game-winning POE pool would allow for (six players). On that basis, I'd also love to hear everyone's top town read in this pile:

ts account, Scotty, S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, Thunal, Abigail

GTH I'd say SVS at this point. If our PoE is about right, Scotty is never wolf with SVS and I think the Long Con kill looks good for her. Both from the POV of her always wanting to push LC and that LC died townreading her while everyone else was suspecting her.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 pm I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.
why?
i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:24 pm I am a little paranoid about how Michelle's been fixating on you today and my townread there isn't as strong as it was SoD.
why has your tr on jjj lessened

I meant my townread on Michelle, not JJJ.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:30 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:26 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:08 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:57 pm I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.
I think it's evident at least that Michelle doesn't feel that way given her commentary about me. I dunno what game you saw, but if Philosophy 2 was one of them, I am sure I looked like crap.
I think it might have been, lol.

Also 2020/2021 Thunal was extremely competitive and I liked to look for weaknesses in people that often weren't there. I'm still competitive but I'm better able to separate the game from real life.
you strike me as extremely laid back here, i haven't figured out how to interact with you tbh

why do you buy my confidence on cape? and why am i your top town?
Even though I'm having fun and not stressed now, I always care about winning lol.

There's a lot of reasons. It started d1 with some in the thread thoughts I thought were almost unfakeable from a mindset POV. Today I doubled down on that read because I really liked how you engaged with Rondo and confidently promoted your townreads.

You were extremely confident on Cape so I believe you have good reasons for that read.
you don't strike me as the type to sheep overly confident players regardless of whether they're town or not, your entire aura is like "i don't follow appeal to authority" and that is literally exactly what i'm doing

I'm usually not but I feel good about that specific read.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:08 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:57 pm I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.
I think it's evident at least that Michelle doesn't feel that way given her commentary about me. I dunno what game you saw, but if Philosophy 2 was one of them, I am sure I looked like crap.
I think it might have been, lol.

Also 2020/2021 Thunal was extremely competitive and I liked to look for weaknesses in people that often weren't there. I'm still competitive but I'm better able to separate the game from real life.
you strike me as extremely laid back here, i haven't figured out how to interact with you tbh

why do you buy my confidence on cape? and why am i your top town?

Even though I'm having fun and not stressed now, I always care about winning lol.

There's a lot of reasons. It started d1 with some in the thread thoughts I thought were almost unfakeable from a mindset POV. Today I doubled down on that read because I really liked how you engaged with Rondo and confidently promoted your townreads.

You were extremely confident on Cape so I believe you have good reasons for that read.

I am a little paranoid about how Michelle's been fixating on you today and my townread there isn't as strong as it was SoD.

Especially since Michelle later said she town leaned you off it and it wasn't a lock. I don't think it was a strong read for her.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:54 pm Same question for Michelle. And can you give a game or games LoRab and Michelle saw you as mafia in?
I just skimmed over the site spreadsheet, and I admit there isn't as much as I anticipated. Michelle hasn't played in a Syndicate game where I was non-town. There may have been one elsewhere, but I can't recall. LoRab played in an open setup where I was the top poster as a serial killer (not mafia, but publicly known anti-town). That was in 2016 -- LoRab hasn't played much in recent years.

So I will concede that the "seen me as mafia once" argument doesn't quite work. I do think some doubt remains, however:

1) I post a ton in basically every game, so it's hard for me to believe LoRab thought that was clearable. Or even if it wasn't a meta read, she didn't afford Scotty the same luxury.
2) Michelle made an assessment about what I'd do as mafia without seeing me as mafia.

Tbf sometimes I make reads about what someone would do as mafia without having seen them if I know their personality. I don't think your play day 1 was too detailed to be fake and that LoRab comment did ping me but it's also plausible LoRab or Michelle accidentally communicated a stronger read than they meant to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:08 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:57 pm I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.
I think it's evident at least that Michelle doesn't feel that way given her commentary about me. I dunno what game you saw, but if Philosophy 2 was one of them, I am sure I looked like crap.

I think it might have been, lol.

Also 2020/2021 Thunal was extremely competitive and I liked to look for weaknesses in people that often weren't there. I'm still competitive but I'm better able to separate the game from real life.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:44 pm I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing for your (JJJ) alignment though. It would be easy for mafia JJJ to townread me to try to pocket me, or push me if he thought he had a chance of getting me over. I think the former would be more likely.
This post was just... very weird to post in that thread state. like.. who is thunal talking to here?

JJJ and on some level me. I was thinking out loud about what null reading me meant for his alignment.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:23 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:20 pm @Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?
I had two major instances of thought about LoRab.

The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.

The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.

If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.
I'd like to talk about this read. It seems similar to how I make some of my townreads based on "is this a thought a mafia would even think of". What about those moments is something that a mafia wouldn't think of doing?
one more trying to push lorab as a viability with bereft

That wasn't trying to push LoRab at all. I was trying to talk to Bereft about our different reads and possibly reconsider mine.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:52 pm Robyn
Cape
JJJ
Bereft

Michelle
DrWilgy

DarlingMonroe
SVS
Rondo
ts account

LoRab
Scotty
Abigail
Is there any particular reason you find me towny? You seemed a little put off by my progression to voting you day 1

Yes, I'm sheeping robyn's townread.

Also I do think you've improved quite a bit today. You trying to get Rondo to explain and your handling of him felt unfiltered and towny and I've liked your analysis.

I ask this because I had an impression JJJ wasn't that good as mafia for awhile. I saw him get caught in a couple games as a spectator (i think this was a couple years ago) and that influenced my view, but then I looked at some more recent games and now I don't have that impression.

So depending on the game/experience, I could see someone else having the same impression.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:37 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:35 pm what did michelle do then?
Frivolously town read me for something basic in a way town nearly never does (if they have played with me as mafia before):

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:07 pm On that note, @DarlingMonroe:

If you find it impossible to fully catch up, because the thread has grown too large, then I will make the following suggestion. Don't. I still very much want you to make posts, but if time only allows you to choose between 1) trying and failing to catch up, or 2) just entering the thread and playing from the current page --> please choose #2. Fully catching up is not always necessary to play the game, and you may be better off just jumping in fresh.

If you do have time to fully catch up AND get involved before we run out of Daylight (only four hours), then go ahead.
I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia

Same question for Michelle. And can you give a game or games LoRab and Michelle saw you as mafia in?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:33 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:33 pm I don't like this shade, not that I find that LoRab post particularly towny, but I hate these sort of bad "TMI" reads
You're allowed to hate it, but town players that have ever seen me as mafia almost never make a read on me like the one LoRab did there.

What's LoRab's experience with you as mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:28 pm Why is RondoDimBuckle town?

First: I didn't think Rondo looked town when he showed up at EOD1. He looked totally null. So I won't talk about that.

Spoiler: show
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:44 pm I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:51 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:49 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:44 pm I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.
cape is town 100%
Incorrect but we can disagree as long as we shoot within my POE of JJJ/Thunal/Cape [SVS/DM/Scotty]

So if I can get my town core to agree with who to shoot then I will be proven right and then we can go for cape tomorrow or whatever

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:53 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:52 pm cape is more town than bereft/jjj fmpov
cool so we agree on JJJ?

[VOTE: JJJ ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:20 pm JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:10 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:20 pm JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun
I’m willing to listen to you if you can show me that you have actual purposes for the reads you are providing. I am almost certain you haven’t read this game in full just given time constraints, so explain what you’re about.

I don’t care if you suspect me if you can give a cogent reason.
Strange cape said the same thing about me not having read the game (or was it bereft)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:30 am Cape’s early Day 2 is fantastic.
Because you know he is wolf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:37 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:10 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:20 pm JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun
I’m willing to listen to you if you can show me that you have actual purposes for the reads you are providing. I am almost certain you haven’t read this game in full just given time constraints, so explain what you’re about.

I don’t care if you suspect me if you can give a cogent reason.
Strange cape said the same thing about me not having read the game (or was it bereft)
I mean I could be wrong about that, but I’d be surprised.
Keep trying to undermine me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:57 am not wanting to vote sean

All of these are good reason to town read Michelle.

But honestly if she doesnt post more, doesnt help me with Thunal/Cape/JJJ and find the +1 she can go into the SVS/DM/Scotty/Michelle pile of 1 of

I would much rather kill JJJ today.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:41 am You do you, Rondo. But I have seen you spam total b/s reads as mafia more than once, so forgive me if I don’t dismiss your content as “just Rondo things”.
yes yes. Rondo doing rondo things, easy dismissal.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:54 am that simply doesn't make sense to me, and i am of course taking the position that most individuals in this game understand what a strong player is, and are rational human beings
Yes, so lets lynch JJJ

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:05 am PSA: I’m being a bit edgier than usual, and I am conscious of that. If I ever upset anyone, please kick me. I am trying to regain a little edge that has degraded over the years of Mr. Nice Guy.
Or wolf in a corner

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:07 am Rondo cut the poop and mason me so we can destroy this game
No

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:21 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:14 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:07 am Rondo cut the poop and mason me so we can destroy this game
No
You’re gonna be bummed when you see the missed opportunity. We could have had it all, Rondo. We already had our powerhouse mafia team. The magic was there for the taking. Sadness.

Dont starve has ruined that fomo

This is all just Rondo wanting to kill me today. That read of his, on its own power, does not make him town. However, I think there's a motivation at work here that is harder for others to see -- or rather, two of them:

Halvosen Ridge (Rondo and I were both mafia)
Don't Starve (I was mafia, and Rondo wanted to kill me while most did not listen)

I will pull a little excerpt from Don't Starve to give an impression of where I think Rondo's head is. The following stuff in double spoilers is from a different game:

Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:56 pm Porscha- got that fire and simultaneous looseness I associate with town Porscha
Are you able to point to what you saw from Porscha that gave you this impression?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:56 pm Porscha- got that fire and simultaneous looseness I associate with town Porscha
Are you able to point to what you saw from Porscha that gave you this impression?
I just ISO'd her and....I dunno man, I think I'm smokin something. Need to check something. Hold on

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 pm Ok so I just checked my roll and after a few comparisons, I find the Porscha here is much more playful and lolcatty than I for some reason initially thought. It actually reminds me a lot of her D1 in apathy mafia, in which she was voted and yeeted as a wolf D1. This play is different from, say, MU champs practice heist in which she got right down to business and was a bit more ready to get her hands dirty.

Yeah, I can put Porscha down onto my Vivax tier easily atm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:28 pm There's probably no reason to continue talking about this.
JJJ is mafia. If you cant figure out why from these posts I am done with you

Porscha is town

[VOTE: JJJ ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:36 pm The reason why I quoted the above is JJJ probing and pushing Scotty to answer a question as to why Porscha is full of town fire and scotty proceeds to back out of it with a "oh maybe I am crazy" and then reverse his read. JJJ then proceeds to DO NOTHING with the response and instead proceeds to tell people to stop talking about the angle shooting.

He then tries to deflect me by saying I am quoting the wrong posts and that I dont understand what I am quoting. He KNOWS why I am quoting this but he is trying to make it look silly. Scotty KNOWS because he is in bts with JJJ and JJJ can see he is caught so scotty jumps on the wagon and wont elaborate WHY he thinks JJJ is suspect because there is a chance that JJJ thinks I am just posturing and seeing if he blinks and Scotty needs to be positioned in the right place in case I am serious and I have caught him.

So in conclusion JJJ is mafia not because of what he is saying but because of what he isnt saying and Scotty is Mafia for being opportunistic about it.

The Third is Vivax

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:39 pm The fact that JJJ And Scotty are pulling a coordinated funny man routine against my sus only confirms it to me. I better be lynched early or JJJ and Scotty go

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:22 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:51 pm things I probably did not make clear in my last post // random thoughts:

Most of the porscha talk has been very meta-y (I think) and I knida would like to hear a solid point that doesn't rely on that sometime in the future. I've known the name Porscha but my brain is recalling very few experiences with them. At least not recently.

Rondo has been rondo and I kinda just have been ignoring him. Partially a policy thing as I think their play and mindset so drastically different from mine that trying to read them may be a hazard for confidence.

Tutuu's tone has been getting better and better over-time and I don't think confirmation bias can explain that away.

SVS I think I can get an initial read on but it likely requires diving into them independently after my catch-up. Most quotes I saw at a glance didn't ring anything and some people seem to greatly fear a SVS wolf, but I reckon I'm probably better at reading invested higher-posting players than I am of lower-posting less-invested players. Scotty may qualify for that too but he seems to be vibing on a different level than I am at times....if that makes any sense.

Game has been preety fun to read.
Not going to talk about my case on JJJ?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:33 am JJJ Bad. JJJ ask questions. JJJ do nothing with garbage answers. JJJ not give softballs. Scotty prob bad too. JJJ Asking questions to look good

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:33 am JJJ Bad. JJJ ask questions. JJJ do nothing with garbage answers. JJJ not give softballs. Scotty prob bad too. JJJ Asking questions to look good
I don't agree that Scotty's answer was garbage, and I don't think you understand my process.
I dont agree with your disagreeal that scotty's answers were garbage, and I do think I understand your process.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:06 am why not jjj?

Also why use neons power on me? I am just harry

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:16 am ok so in the world scotty is town is JJJ more wolf or less?

in the world that scotty is wolf is JJJ more wolf or less?

(ignoring 3P which is me so I know that it isnt JJJ or Scotty)

for legal reasons this is a joke

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:59 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:58 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:53 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:50 am Good morning bread

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:47 am Porscha
Sean
Rondo
Zenon

Town ezpz... maybe.
I like it. Rondo‘s re-entry and stubborn push on JJJ made me town him. Looked like an against the train endeavour I wouldn‘t place as maf.

Martin on the other hand keeps giving me the feeling that his posts lack authenticity.

Tutuu is a little dust devil that could be anything. Initially I thought town for being very informative but that fell off with me being unable to follow their voting logic. I‘m also not sure if they tried to pocket me with the TR.

Scotty‘s list with the Wilgy/Seanzie/something team was refreshing but it was probably too easy as a solve.

I should probably get on a keyboard and better delve into why I think Martin is mafia. Or change my mind depending on what else I find there.

As for JJJ , I‘m not sure if he is capable of using his authoritative vibe independently of alignment.
But that‘d be my main reason for the town lean and I am watching Rondo vsing him with great interest.
Nothing to say about the fact I have you scum too?
It‘s fine Rondo, you can‘t be good at everything
Nothing to say about JJJ calling you out and Scotty agreeing? Happy for me to 1v1 JJJ to try and distract from yourself?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:50 pm [VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:52 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:50 pm Maybe JJJ and Rondo have just been hiding their intention of voting for me for the entire duration of the game but that‘d be a lot of effort for a simple player
Hiding? You're my third in the jjj scotty team

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:57 pm Not happy with how he treated my case on him and jjj

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:41 pm [VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:56 pm It was interesting how little people actually pushed me over the past two day phases. Everyone was willing to say "oh that Rondo what a sneaky guy, I dont want to town read him but he isnt a wolf so I will bravely go out on a limb and say null" but no one seriously pushed me over more than 72 hours of solo pushing jjj

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:56 pm I am also not surprised that JJJ is unsurprised by me

In that game, Rondo was right about me (at least his conclusion about my alignment was correct). He struggled to get anyone to listen to him, and my team swept. You can see him 1) press the issue stubbornly in that game as he feels like it's not getting through, and 2) conf-bias himself into two teammates of mine (wrong about both, Scotty and Vivax) by reading everything either of them says as lock wolf.

It's very similar to what he has done today with JJJ/Thunal/Cape. He is presuming I am mafia and treating me like this is Don't Starve 2.0. He thinks he has to hard tunnel me to get anyone to listen to him because of what happened last time, and he is solving around his pre-flip of me just like he did in that game. It was Scotty/Vivax then, and it's Thunal/Cape now. Unfortunately for Rondo the starting point is also wrong this time (I'm town), but good luck convincing him of that.

~~~

I recognize this is a bit of a personal take, and it might be hard for others to absorb without fuller context of Don't Starve. But that's my best effort to explain why Rondo would be town in this game.

Tbh it's good to have this context. Part of why I have trouble sorting him is that I'm annoyed with his push and I'm trying to separate that from my read on him. My first instinct was that he was wolfing but when I stepped back for a bit I started to doubt that.

Yay, time to find out why I have 16 notifications!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:00 pm Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

Rondo.

I don't suspect him like I did coming into today partly because I'm not sure what he's doing if he's a wolf, but I'm not sold on him being town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:55 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:45 pm When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:
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☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:25 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:20 pm I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.
At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though
No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.
Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:05 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!
Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?
Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo
If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.
I can understand your perspective, and on some level I agree with you. Abigail was kind of in and out and back in and back out of my solve last night, so she is in the vicinity of my POE. My doubt about her as mafia is more that I am not sure this is an appropriate version of Abigail to try to metagame. She is less invested in her reads certainly, but I also think she is less invested in the whole game (and that it wouldn't necessarily be so if she was mafia). I think her confidence has been shaken by recent games and perhaps even by the early stage of this game.

I am not sure about that, and if you continue to town it up today she probably falls into my POE by default. So I see your case at least.

I've played with her when she was not as invested as town, and she still was more vocal about convincing people and defending her townreads than this. Whenever we were t/t I found her pretty early and I'm not seeing her town energy here. This feels more like going through the motions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:46 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:43 pm I've had trouble sorting DM and I'm not as confident as some people are that she's town. I feel like lots of people, town or mafia, would look at the lots of interactions between Scotty and SVS first since they're both PoE and it was a big talking point.

What separates her solving process from someone who *needs* to pick a target before EoD to push?
I don't think she "needs" to pick a target anyway. She could just ghost. She could just find a wagon already happening and shrug into it. She instead chose a read that personally moved her and promoted it as much as she reasonably could at the end of the day. And I think she did so in a way that looks perfectly reasonable.

Tbf she said she'd catch up and vote so it looks much better if she actually does, and I also think it looks better if she takes a somewhat strong stance. I think her SVS suspicion is fine though, and I do like the way she kept promoting her sus at EoD.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:27 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.
What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?
It's about his 'ping' coming from my post where he misinterpreted my sentence as omgus.
Now I get he has a case I didn't read so if there's more then he's probably convinced so idk
Honestly if I can get a read on Jay today if we talk a little I will be content, so poking the giant with a stickomgus is the best way to do it.

How does having a case make him townier? This is the kind of concession I townread you before for not making. I get the POV of "why is such a good player reading me incorrectly" and I've OMGUSed in the same position as town, but easing up on him here makes me doubt my townread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:28 pm Why is DarlingMonroe town?

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 pm Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:38 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 pm Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).
This used to be the norm around here years ago. It is much less common these days. The most recent example, to my knowledge, was the first game of our 10-year anniversary bit.

Click here for that

How do you suppose you'll use this other game to guide you in this game?
Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:45 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:41 pm Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Happy to be of service. By all means, if you think that will help you, then do your thing. Would you say there was anything you picked up in your experience with the Severance game that you'll apply to this game?

Don't worry, this isn't a job interview. Necessarily.
Trust my instinct/gut more. I played a little too passively; perhaps it would have been more useful to town if I had contributed more, perhaps not.

Any advice from a master like you, JJJ?

These initial three posts from DM struck me as coming from a lone mind. I didn't get the impression that DM had support outside the thread, and I think I'd have some clue what that might look like because of her masonry with Jack in the previous game.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:32 pm This game started in a moment when my free time doesn't really exist.
I would like to have a solid town read to sheep it.
Who should I sheep Jay?
Read the last page or two. Go over some posters' comments, look at the players with votes, and then create your own read. If it happens to overlap with Jay's great, if not, no harm.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:40 pm @Bereft you really seem to be advocating for SVS... any reason in particular?

I advised DM late on Day 1 to operate with the most recent material instead of trying to completely catch up, and I appreciate that she had the courage to do that. She developed impressions of initial content, and she looked into a specific dynamic that has been significant in the game to make a judgment (S~V~S vs. Scotty). She tried her best to make her mark around EOD.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:42 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:40 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.
can you elaborate why? also how much time do you have to play in the next 140 minutes
They are right like in the middle when it comes to posting activity; mostly fluff yet opportunistic enough to jump on the Scotty vote... IDK, it's not a lot but it's my read.

And I have like the next 40 minutes and then I have to go offline

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:16 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:13 pm So out of the 13 active players, only 9 have voted.

Long Con, Michelle, Dr. Wilgy & LoRab are the players who have abstained so far.
They are also the players with less than 30 posts. Everyone else with more posts than 30 has voted.

SVS still my biggest ping.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.
wait, nvm, we are back at the same page with SVS

I just think this process is organic.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:32 pm As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Suspecting Bereft in this gamestate is probably a good sign, frankly. I will allow her to expand for herself on why she feels that way before I say anything more, though.

~~~

The operative term here is purity. I know that idea makes some people uneasy, but the good news is that this isn't the typical "uwu :3 :3" kind of purity that anyone can fake. It's purity of solving process.

I've had trouble sorting DM and I'm not as confident as some people are that she's town. I feel like lots of people, town or mafia, would look at the lots of interactions between Scotty and SVS first since they're both PoE and it was a big talking point.

What separates her solving process from someone who *needs* to pick a target before EoD to push?

@JaggedJimmyJay what do you think about my concerns with Abi?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:46 pm @Thunal33 i don’t mean to demean you or anything but every post you’ve posted so far ends up being a thought or a consequence of a thought i haven’t said. you should start signing your posts as “devils advocate” or something

You're not wrong lol. I do find it funny how anti-consensus my reads are today.

Robyn
Cape
JJJ
Bereft

Michelle
DrWilgy

DarlingMonroe
SVS
Rondo
ts account

LoRab
Scotty
Abigail

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:

Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:25 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:20 pm I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.
At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though
No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.
Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:05 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!
Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?
Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo
If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.

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Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:16 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:08 pm I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.
Understandable. I think we're kind of left with a reasoning dilemma. Let me work it out (for my own sake):

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Premise 1: Scotty doesn't fit with most active players.
Premise 2: Scotty can fit with inactive players.
Conclusion: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).

If we accept the above argument, we can proceed to another:

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammates.
Premise 2: Scotty is mafia.
Conclusion: He has inactive teammate(s).

Valid argument. Modus ponens. Premise two requires killing Scotty and achieving a mafia flip.

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).
Premise 2: The inactives aren't mafia.
Conclusion: Scotty isn't mafia.

Valid argument. Modus tollens. Premise two requires flipping multiple inactives and getting town flips.

Both work, but the latter requires more chopping. Bleh. Of course neither argument matters if the flips don't align with the premises "2". Scotty flipping town is poop.

The content of that spoiler can probably be ignored, actually. I don't think my thinking was sound, because arguments can just be inverted to suit a desired strategy. But I typed all of it, so whatever here's a post.
If I were to flip today, I do feel like it will be much more substantive to analyze who voted me and why- what looked original, what looked opportunistic.

As I’ve said in my reread, it felt like Robyn was the most opportunistic. I still think cape is town, even if he won’t get off my back.
Princess Abigail is making questionable plays if she were wolf, and though I’ve never seen her wolf game, I don’t feel like voting me looks like confused town.
SVS is straight up tunneling me, so it feels like I’m going down that path again lol and hope I’m right this time

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:35 am Town read:
Cape
Long con
Thunal (uno reversal. I dunno. Really liked the involvement I’ve seen in my read back today. Seems solvy)

Town lean:
JJJ (should not be voted today, only a doofus would do it)
Princess Abigail (I also don’t feel like mafia PA comes after the juggernaut JJJ immediately, tho I must profess I don’t know what mafia PA looks like. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it)
bereft (ending response about Robyn)

Scumlean:
LoRab. (Only minorly Scumlean because I haven’t seen too much town equity atm)

Scumread:
Robyn

Others need to post more

I can’t make a good read on SVS at the moment- my paranoia is coming back inadvertently because she keeps wondering why I’m not paranoid. WELL THE PARANOIA IS IN TOWN AND FOUND AN AIR BNB

We’re still missing like 3 people that haven’t posted, which is…….bad. As I have said early on with JJJ, we need town to POST in a no-info dumping game.
@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @ts account

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:18 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 pm Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.
Scotty SVS is T v T and this is silly silly
TBD on SVS. She’s fixated on minor details when she does pop in and that’s not something I’m associating with town svs

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:07 am <Snip>

It's too cold to walk the dog on concrete, we just did the yard this AM, so I actually have time to read the thread a bit, not just reply to @s (most of which seem to be from you?) and do some real time. And, this is a borderline post, since it doesn't really relate to suspicion, but more to general game play, but meh.

I like to tell people their tells, it makes for a more challenging game going forward. Winning is nice, but winning becasue you figured them out, is nicer, IMO. So you can tell me
Ok, well the sample size is pretty small but you’re doing the thing you did in our last game together that I associate with the bad you- it’s a habit of over-explaining and giving excuses.

And that you’re still fixated on me. Do you even have any other reads?

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I can see Scotty w. I feel like Scotty's trying to appease SVS in a lot of his posts and even when he finally votes SVS he's still trying to get her off him and asks her for other reads. A lot of TBD on her and holding out on an SVS read that just feels like he's trying to get her off his back instead of solving her.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:00 pm Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?
Why is thunal not town?
GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.
What do you read out of the fact they are not responding to me at all? Does that not strike you as odd in the slightest?

If you must know, I have a rule I try to follow in my games where I make at least 90% of my posts about solving instead of defending myself. I try not to get bogged down in defense since it just makes me annoyed and takes away from my solving.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:04 pm I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"

Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?

Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.

I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:56 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

I saw it as "come on, you have to notice this" rather than shade.

I'll give it a rest on Rondo atm. Enough people I townread are telling me I'm wrong that I'll look elsewhere for now.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:53 pm Frankly, I don't know why everyone decided that Neon pushing J³ was such a good look, her later posts were much better.

what did you like about them?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:40 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:14 pm @Thunal33 what is your impression of my proposed solve?
[S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, ts account] ||| {Scotty, Thunal}

I'd take out Michelle and replace her with Rondo, and replace me with Abigail.
I’m a bit confused by your Michelle take. I thought she got worse at EOD, and you seemed to feel the opposite. What did you like?

Imo the biggest point was how she reacted to your sus.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
"I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia." is a pretty assertive statement.
It helps town imo. A simple logic tells me that mafia is not posting that.
I will not make a wall to explain it more

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:35 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:30 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
You misinterpret my post into a lock read.
If i was good with voting Sean I would
You're stretching things and i want to know why
I expected you to carry on your line of questioning in some capacity to get a better read on me or something. I was not anticipating such a quick acceptance. You were right to ask me why I voted for someone with no posts, but now I am forced to ask myself if you were truly invested in that question.
Yes, I made my own judgement.
I didn't follow you

This read as stubborn towny entitlement to me. I explained it a bit before but I think these and her other responses to you come from a stubborn townie who believes her reads are valid.

I also thought the initial read you took issue with made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:07 pm On that note, @DarlingMonroe:

If you find it impossible to fully catch up, because the thread has grown too large, then I will make the following suggestion. Don't. I still very much want you to make posts, but if time only allows you to choose between 1) trying and failing to catch up, or 2) just entering the thread and playing from the current page --> please choose #2. Fully catching up is not always necessary to play the game, and you may be better off just jumping in fresh.

If you do have time to fully catch up AND get involved before we run out of Daylight (only four hours), then go ahead.
I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia

I think it's reasonable mafia Jay would want DM to fall behind and not get in the conversation if she's town.

fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:32 pm I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.
That was my initial impression today, so I don’t fault you for it. However, I think he’s deeply biased by a past game in which I was mafia (Don’t Starve), and he’s wrongly solving around pre-flipping me.

Does he tend to want to catch people who beat him in past games like that?

I remember when I played with him when he was town he had a bit more willingness to change his stance. It was more "chaos and making a lot of different pushes" rather than pushing an exact solve despite everyone's objections.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:34 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 am
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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am
This is the post you respond to? This one. lol
You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:44 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?
I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here
I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.
Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.
This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie
Like this. Playing mafia like an Ace Attorney game is not only incorrect, I've seen wolves do it more often than townies. It's easy to "catch" townies in contradictions and imo it sometimes indicates the person is looking for something to push rather than letting reads form.
Then dome me? Instead of this pantomime conversation with JJJ

Nah. I'd like to read the thread in peace for a bit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:14 pm @Thunal33 what is your impression of my proposed solve?

[S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, ts account] ||| {Scotty, Thunal}

I'd take out Michelle and replace her with Rondo, and replace me with Abigail.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 am
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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm

yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread
I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.
This is the post you respond to? This one. lol
You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:44 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.
minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?
I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here
I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.
Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.
This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie

Like this. Playing mafia like an Ace Attorney game is not only incorrect, I've seen wolves do it more often than townies. It's easy to "catch" townies in contradictions and imo it sometimes indicates the person is looking for something to push rather than letting reads form.

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 am
Spoiler: show
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm

yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread
I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.
This is the post you respond to? This one. lol
You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:44 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.
minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?
I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here
I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.
Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

The second one. I assumed you were talking about something later that I didn't see.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 am
Spoiler: show
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread
I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.
This is the post you respond to? This one. lol
You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:44 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.
One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.
minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?
I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here

I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:58 pm I like Michelle’s recent posting
btw @Thunal33 could you elaborate on what you liked about Michelle's postings? I didnt feel the same way

It was her entitlement/headstrongness that caught my eye.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:30 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
You misinterpret my post into a lock read.
If i was good with voting Sean I would
You're stretching things and i want to know why

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
"I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia." is a pretty assertive statement.
It helps town imo. A simple logic tells me that mafia is not posting that.
I will not make a wall to explain it more

These have "isn't it obvious" tone, and they pretty clearly struck me as Michelle actually believing in her reads.

I think scum Michelle would make some concessions here or have trouble responding.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread
I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.
This is the post you respond to? This one. lol

You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 pm Even though flutterby says they have a spirit interpretation on Candle (and, no offense, I grasp those interpretations with a sprinkle of pepper), I am slanted to trust them on Candle. I mean, I previously had Candle as a city interpretation, but it provides me comfort about Flutterby rolling out so self-assured about it now.

There was a ton of commotion in the preceding 30 moments. By my calculation, there was a 2-vote 5-method bind 15 min before Dusk. Whirlwind gushing in to randomly vote Seanzie and the spar with Wilgy are crimson banners. (Or crimson cards, lol)

You can’t reveal me wolves weren’t busy leading off of Rainbow. That gazed like a rescue to me, and it functioned.

I'm not going to try reading this.

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