Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[MacDougall]

Mac has now decided to take my position on confbias mountain. I concede my crown

More denial.

[MacDougall]

Actually I will admit I was trying to see what Nutella would do with my sus of ender and to her credit I think she Sussed me at the time for it

Bargaining.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will grant you it was a shock to have Mac come at me at 11pm while I was relaxing in bed but this is so worth phone posting

[MacDougall]

You are seeing what you want to see because game is hard and you want a win. unfortunately its not that easy to just pick the guy coming in with the most wim day 1. I get your pov but you are wrong

Depression

[RondoDimBuckle]

If you're trying to pull a me vs aero I want everyone to know I taught him this move

[MacDougall]

Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird

Testing

[MacDougall]

The effort alone though does lean me town Mac he is fired up and I love it

Acceptance

[RondoDimBuckle]

Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird

Testing

Hell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?

[MacDougall]

Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird

Testing

Hell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?

Testing realistic solutions. "He is convinced I'm mafia but maybe I can survive anyway by suggesting he shoot me or by tricking him into not voting me and hopefully someone else plods along as a wagon".

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright Mac I really need to sleep so can we pick this up tomorrow at around 9?

[MacDougall]

Sure man. Go bed.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird

Testing

Hell yeah testing. You think I'm not going to try and figure out if it's town Mac or wolf mac pushing me?

Testing realistic solutions. "He is convinced I'm mafia but maybe I can survive anyway by suggesting he shoot me or by tricking him into not voting me and hopefully someone else plods along as a wagon".

There is always a chance of survival this time its as town

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sure man. Go bed.

Thanks. Keep this energy its great

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Number 3. Not worried about looking opportunistic to save your own neck today seanzie?

Nah, I'm just enjoying watching you and Mac go at it.

[Seanzie]

Okay, I really should go work.

Someone @ me when they start making out.

[sig]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Lhf is a lie and mafia use it as a buzzword to pull people off scum that haven't provided content and should die

Change my mind.

As a former/sometimes current LHF I 100% disagree, every once in awhile mafia still try to get me out for low hanging things


For example, had Sabi “you faked a derp clear by calling me someone else with the same name minus an E” argument worked that would’ve been a LHF.

Or Golden trying to vote me off a few games ago for me being forced to be insanfied and him saying I was faking it.

I’ll say I’m usually a lot more keyed into and sympathetic to light posters when I see them getting voted solo because I’ve fit into that camp and been Misvoted so many times it’s basically a meme among older TS members

[sig]

I’m also not caught up, but based off where I was yesterday (right around Nutella first push for Sean based around ISOing him)

I’d prefer that wagon, but overall I like all 4 as being leading ones and I’ll have more thoughts after I catch up

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

I was presently arriving at this thought actually.

I hate literally everything Creature has done today and can not recall anyone town reading him and yet he has never recieved a vote. Curiouser and curiouser.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Who are the town I've been pushing?

Well Rask, Cape for 2. I think your day 1 pushes are mostly flipped town.

Hmm the fact they are all flipped makes me feel less confident in Marmot wolf to think about it

Why does wolf Marmot kill Rask at all? That's the mafia kill right?

Sabi was not dead and Rask tormented Sabi a great deal among other slots. Rask's biggest non deceased scumread by the end of day 1 though was Golden from what I was able to glean and while at times he suspected Marmot he had arrived at Marmot town.

However knowing how wolves choose night kills. Having directly called Marmot and Sabi w/w would be perceived as a threat regardless of a reeval on Marmot. If Marmot and Sabi truly are w/w that alone would be justification for choosing Rask for the nk regardless of the reeval because it would be perceived as something he's capable of arriving to again especially in the event that Sabi dies, which was likely given Neon was telegraphing it and others including myself were pushing Sabi.

Tl;dr the Rask kill makes more sense to come from. Marmot than anyone from the way I see it.

Makes sense thank you

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm stealing Mac's gimmick

Tell me why the following are towny


Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Porscha

Please and thank you

[Urist]

@Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?

And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.

This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.

There's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.

[Michelle]

My dear Nutella. Wonderful player that you are. If you believe this, help me FEEL that you do. I'm not feeling the fire behind this read. It just feels like very low effort shade, an attempt to persuade the inattentive masses to vote wantonly for a player without really offering any stakes. Do this for me and I may consider voting there.

His responses to me were all shit. His iso is vacant of anything good. He shot ilario which could easily be a wolf motivated shot and there's already a lot of town kp. He has not contributed to solving in earnest. Many have lightly agreed with my concern about him and yet nobody will wagon there. Why is it so hard to gain momentum on this push. Because he's actual mafia and people would rather go along with the big wagon on marmot who is just busy and can solve like a beast when they have time.

Have you asked me a single time why I'm busy?

Why are you busy?

Who are you? (this is a joke to myself because I honestly don't think I've seen a post from Michelle this game)

Because I got shiz to do.

Mac's second voter (where he votes, I vote when i notice the change)
It looked like you had something to tell us, but in fact you were just spamming

Hi Mac's second voter, I'm Seanzie.

I'm not joking about the being busy thing.

Me neither, i trust you are really busy

Mac should have another reason to SR you except low posting

[Michelle]

VC

Spoiler: show

Imagine dying d1 lmao
Poll runs till Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
1
3%
Voters: Guillotine
Guillotine
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
0
No votes
Voters: None
Inawordyes
1
3%
Voters: Kate
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
1
3%
Voters: Inawordyes
Marmot
1
3%
Voters: S~V~S
master radishes
1
3%
Voters: 112
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Party Crasher
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
5
14%
Voters: falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
S~V~S
5
14%
Voters: Golden, Alison, sig, Sloonei, Scotty
Scotty
4
11%
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie
5
14%
Voters: nutella, Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall
sig
1
3%
Voters: DrWilgy
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote/unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/mod/spec/dead etc
11
31%
Voters: Dennis, JaggedJimmyJay, Spacedaisy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, pyxxy, Lime Coke, sabie12, Syn, Sabiplz, lucy, Le petit poussin
Total votes: 36

[Michelle]

I'm stealing Mac's gimmick

Tell me why the following are towny


Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Porscha

Please and thank you

Porscha good vibe
Dizzy for a secret town tell

I should read more to know more but i didn't

And Creature maybe TMIed Cape town so

[Golden]

@Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?

And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.

This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.

There's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.

You don’t know me
Rask doesn’t know me
Alison doesn’t know me
Creature doesn’t know me
Guillo doesn’t know me

What’s absent from this picture is people who actually know me who think I’m wolf. Why do you ignore this consistently?

[Golden]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

I was presently arriving at this thought actually.

I hate literally everything Creature has done today and can not recall anyone town reading him and yet he has never recieved a vote. Curiouser and curiouser.

Yes, I agree. I’ve found it odd that creature gets shielded.

[falcon45ca]

You don't have to see my every thought I have explained that I thought about it more and it makes no sense for wolf Ender to open on me day 1 like he did. He could get away with a d1 soft scum or null and coast till d3 or 4 before I cared. Instead he invites conflict. I had my doubts on that read overnight then decided I was being dumb and stuck to my guns. Tada magic. Its interesting that after you push me I defended and interest dies down you jump into my iso and try to get something quite normal and blow it up to reignite my wagon.

I forgot how fun it was to 1v1 Mac

I don't see how town would have this mindset

[falcon45ca]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

I was presently arriving at this thought actually.

I hate literally everything Creature has done today and can not recall anyone town reading him and yet he has never recieved a vote. Curiouser and curiouser.

Yes, I agree. I’ve found it odd that creature gets shielded.

I think there's just louder things happening right now. I've got the same feelings about porscha, but all in due time I s'pose

[falcon45ca]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

It should

I was presently arriving at this thought actually.

I hate literally everything Creature has done today and can not recall anyone town reading him and yet he has never recieved a vote. Curiouser and curiouser.

I'd rather Rondo over Creature atm

[falcon45ca]

I'm stealing Mac's gimmick

Tell me why the following are towny


Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Porscha

Please and thank you

Porscha good vibe
Dizzy for a secret town tell

I should read more to know more but i didn't

And Creature maybe TMIed Cape town so

Who's wolfier, Sean, Rondo or Creature?

[Golden]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

I have the opposite takeaway from svs’s cool demeanour. It’s not my memory that town svs has no discomfort from her wagon, she scrambles and reads people with suspicious eyes.

I will say I’ve also been shielding Kate was her quietness is beginning to bother me.

[Lilypetal]

meow

[Kate]

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

Btw, how does your take on this shift in either direction if SVS flips each of t! and w!?

Something is definitely of with svs. Could be a wold, 3p or rl but there's something. And I hate calling her out, you know that.

[Kate]

Honestly I think I might push for Rondo to go over here on the strength of Ender's read. I don't have equal confidence in any reads and he definitely vibes as town here.

I am just also rather convinced Seanzie will be a mafia flip also and Nutella has a strong read there plus his wagon is strong.

SVS doesn't feel like a wolf to me. She's too level headed. I don't sense any wolf discomfort with her wagon. Which is something I can see in MR for instance.

I have the opposite takeaway from svs’s cool demeanour. It’s not my memory that town svs has no discomfort from her wagon, she scrambles and reads people with suspicious eyes.

I will say I’ve also been shielding Kate was her quietness is beginning to bother me.

I'm here. Fear not. Just busy yesterday.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
In mac we trust.

[Kate]

I am seeing alot of this in my read back; what is a "lost wolf"?

I would guess solo baddie waiting to be recruited by a bad team?

Does this seem a bit too introspective? A tad bit tbi, like she's got a sense of the mechanics that most of us are not privy to?

[Seanzie]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

sheeping TRs

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

sheeping TRs

You should sheep me instead.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
In mac we trust.

Mac is voting me actually, but... I'll take it.

[Kate]

Well, this turned out to not be true.

I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)

Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.

I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?

Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy

i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too

(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.

I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.

I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.

He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.

I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...

[Urist]

@Golden @Urist the dynamic between you bothers me. Urist has been suspicious vocally all day long. Yesterday Golden was suspicious of Urist too at least at one stage. Yet Urist doesn't really seem to be attempting to progress his read. It's just there, he brings it up whenever someone gives him the opportunity to, but no persuading occurs... hes making no effort to reevaluate it either, despite Golden playing extremely actively. No wavering. It's just this ever present never changing read Urist cares about but not enough to actually cause any waves for?

And in response Golden more or less is just ignorant of it. No irritation. No omgus. Urist isn't in his POE and he's just letting Urist fly.

This dynamic trouble's me. It's not playing out like a town/town conflict would. On either side honestly.

There's not much for me to do. I think that golden is obvious mafia. Rask did too, but he's dead now. Apparently a ton of people suspected golden yesterday, but none of them were interested in pursuing that lead today. What am I supposed to do when a bunch of people say that golden is mafia, but don't vote for him? At this point it's clear that he's not going over today so I'm focusing on other viable wagons and trying not to be a distraction.

You don’t know me
Rask doesn’t know me
Alison doesn’t know me
Creature doesn’t know me
Guillo doesn’t know me

What’s absent from this picture is people who actually know me who think I’m wolf. Why do you ignore this consistently?

I don't tend to put a ton of faith in other peoples' meta reads, especially when there are conflicts (some people are saying golden is obvtown, mac says golden is an amazing wolf and hard to catch, etc).

[Kate]

I'm gonna [VOTE: svs] aubergine

but i love you and i hate voting for you.

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

[Sloonei]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

My money would be on rondo, tbh

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

My money would be on rondo, tbh

That's certainly a possibility

[nutella]

I challenge anyone to read pages 136 and 137 of this game and refute that my argument renders Rondo the most likely mafia in the game.

sup ive just been reading through this exchange and yeah rondo sure looks like mafia as fuck

[nutella]

i mean i think sean and rondo fit as w/w from mac's earlier wagon analysis as well so

[nutella]

Mac if you're wolf here this is some GLORIOUS stuff and I am proud to be a part of it

Wouldn't you also want to milk me for spew if I was a wolf? Refusing to engage me is weird

You can't keep dropping random shade on me while also speaking to me like you know I'm obvious town. You're quite obviously just floundering like crazy.

yeah lmao the random flops to shading you after mainly treating you as town is a really bad look

given his progression on ender also reeks of bad tmi management

[nutella]

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i am still very thirsty for seanzie's blood but atp thinking it may be optimal to get rondo and control sean's kp