Well don’t put words in his mouth just yet.
I just don’t know if he’s talking about people that should be talking more and aren’t, or people like Jack who is Casper the ghost
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Well don’t put words in his mouth just yet.
Also fair.
Fair enough. If you have just forgotten I can’t complain.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:27 amI cannot begin to explain how differently I approach the game now than I did two years ago. On the surface people seem to struggle to see it because I am still prolific and antagonistic but I am far more thoughtful, I post a lot less (I promise) and I have forgotten tons I knew on meta. When I read old games I am baffled by how much meta I had on people.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:23 amOh, forgot about this. Good question. I'm not sure. Maybe a couple years? I'd love to do some research and find out but don't have the time atm since I need to head to campus momentarily.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:02 am Besides, when was the last time you two legitimately played a game together?
Don't get me wrong, all my reads, including my Golden one, are Day 1-level reads. But my read on Golden being town is as confident as a Day 1-level read can get. I'm sure I'll find a beef with something he says later. If I don't, it means he's bad, so get him.
2 years is a long ass time to have passed to be still giving a guy a pass that amounts to "is town when looks scum".
He’s quiet. I don’t trust quiet epi.
Oh my bad then. I've been fairly inactive in most of my games here so I might have missed you.sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:53 pmFirst I think we played a few games here and there on TS, but we weren't active in them at the same time.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:48 pmI'm trying but unlike you I don't share his perspective since I didn't like his initial post (sig's). It felt forced so I understand where MP is coming from and why he asked him that. I'd like to know why he found MP's post bad.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 amGiven I share his perspective I am going to assume you aren't trying and are bad.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pmWhat don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pmI don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MPM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pmBut no one asked about wolbre yet.sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.
I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.
Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!
I found it bad that MP called me out for giving meta information on a player that nobody else knew anything about. Like why wouldn't I offer this information unprompted? Especially when it might not be common knowledge that we're from the same site.
Isn’t it fun?
That’s a little inaccurate. I could have seen the poll without placing a vote. That was for more about the when pf me placing rather than the who.
No problem!novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:19 pmOh my bad then. I've been fairly inactive in most of my games here so I might have missed you.sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:53 pmFirst I think we played a few games here and there on TS, but we weren't active in them at the same time.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:48 pmI'm trying but unlike you I don't share his perspective since I didn't like his initial post (sig's). It felt forced so I understand where MP is coming from and why he asked him that. I'd like to know why he found MP's post bad.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:56 amGiven I share his perspective I am going to assume you aren't trying and are bad.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pmWhat don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?
I found it bad that MP called me out for giving meta information on a player that nobody else knew anything about. Like why wouldn't I offer this information unprompted? Especially when it might not be common knowledge that we're from the same site.
Well, it looked more like a 'no you' post after he called you out. About your initial post, it was more the tone of it than the information shared that rubbed me wrong. I appreciate the info given but it felt like you were over excited to talk about it. Forced. A premeditated post. Something baddies often do to appear helpful.
I like your style.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:49 pmI agree in general, but that won't apply to Day 1. I have found through trial and error, the more questions you ask, the more content you produce, and the more difficult it is for scum to hide. Honestly, sometimes I don't care who is arguing about what even if I see it as two townies going at each other. Content is generated, people will leave trails, some may slip even if we can't see it immediately. The priority early on in the game is to get as many people talking as possible. That's how I play mafia, and that's why I can end up with a few hundred posts in one early phase.
I never fly by the seat of my pants. This is pretty much my point. If one thinks me being ‘sloppy’ isn’t intentional one don’t know me that well.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:15 pmFull stop the trireme.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:31 amNo to both. These are weak-ass reasons for any vote. This is basically the definition of confusing 'weird' with 'bad'. This is like a list of reasons for all the mislynches on sig, marmot and wilgy over the years.
I'm being 'sloppy' because I'm having fun, and my vote wasn't in the slightest bit random but was in fact very carefully considered. It just wasn't because I suspect sloonei.
Through it all, I challenge you to accuse me of lack of meaningful content, because I think you'll find I've already got more than most everyone else in the thread.
You're being sloppy because you're having fun, AND your vote was carefully crafted? I goin full Geppetto here and calling Pinnochio on your ass. To say that you are thinking through your actions while also acting like you're operating from the seat of your pants is bollox, my golden child. You can defend and explain away your merits/metas/reasoning/what-have-you but how can you carefully consider your vote? That sounds unlikely and maybe a bit flippant.
Nothing you have said has bothered me, I was just using it as a comparision for when I was told I was being childish and too snarky for joking about meaningless phrases.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:26 pm Yo scroeys.
2Dom. I was doing the Pingometer when in catch up mode to measure mystic Mac's most magnificent day 1 gut pings. Once caught up I became too involved in back and forthing to keep up with it. I would have ended up in column ax with the amount of Golden pings.
Also I'm sorry. I told MP to eat shit purely out of love and irony. I wouldn't say that to someone I thought would take it the wrong way.
And ... I can't remember anyone else actually posing me a question in dat catchup. After all my effort. Pingometer. Tunneling golden ... telling MP to eat shit. Such a shame.
Not yet but there’s time and I won’t vote someone I haven’t played with beforeon day one (that goes for dunya too)Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:24 pmWhile true, sig is willing to get dirty there. I don't feel like it's safe at all. Are there any posts he has made in this thread that make you feel he might not be a wolf in sheep's clothing?Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:18 am I agree on nova. But he’s also a newbie to me.
The difference of opinion I have is that I actually agree with nova. Sigs post was just a big no u and I don’t think it was a great post from sig either. But what’s the value in calling out the no u in question form? To me it’s like the old lawyer tenet ‘never ask a question you don’t know the answer to’. They’re probably amongst the safest questions asked in the thread.
If these things weren’t collectively true, I’d have a messy scum meta as well.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:36 pmBut you just made that post a few pages ago breaking down that what other people view as "messy" is actually just 'fun' and simultenously carefully thought-out.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:50 amThe objective of my civ game is to maintain multiple cub metas so that when I want to I can be easily identified as civ because, for example, I’m very busy in real life, but without compromising on my ability to win as scum because it looks like my cleaner, more cautious civ meta.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:43 amIf only this game were so easy.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:41 amYou don’t get it. I’m not defending myself. I’m trying to help you read me better.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:37 amNo man. That's not how this works. I made accusations of you and you tried to discredit me by claiming I misread you all the time. You have failed to show evidence of that. Evidence of me previously reading you well is not required here as I have a good amount of your own posts right here that speak for themselves so I don't need to point at any mystical ability to read you. This is not me making random gut reads on people and pointing at mystic Mac powers. This is you making posts, me finding them suspect, and me finding your reactions as supporting my perspective.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:31 amHa, well I didn’t remember that bit.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:27 am
Bro, I was scum in Talking Heads. Try again. If you're going to try to discredit my points because you feel there is a pattern to me incorrectly scum reading you as town so far you've only pointed at a game I was scum and a game you were indie.
Look, if you can name a time you’ve ever read me as bad and been right I’ll hand it to you. I don’t believe it exists. This is the reason I’m saying throw out your tellson me - but again you can only do what you’re comfortable doing.
I wouldn't ask of anyone to show evidence that they've caught you before to prove that they make good cases on you. Besides, and I will say it again, even if you HAVE evidence that I read you poorly consistently:
a) It's outdated, it's old
b) I put it to you, that the vast majority of anybody's reads are wrong
c) It's such a small sample size that the two immediate games that sprung to your mind, you were indie in one and I was scum in the other
Moving on. I've made my points. I hope people read them and comment. It would be a shame if they were skimmed.
Anyone who knows me well will probably be reading me as hard town by now. This playstyle does not exist on my baddie spectrum at all.
You can choose to do with it what you will but... if you don’t listen this time, please don’t forget. Remember next time.
The objective of good scum play is to play like you do when town Golden. These types of comments just do not appeal to me.
Messy golden is always civ golden. Book it.
Is it lazy to vote someone for lack of activity? I don’t particularly like this post. Why so passionate about epi when he only has two votes?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 pmI concur.
Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.
I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.
I have to qualify this by admitting I suck badly at reading dom. But there’s nothing there that worries me so far.
I would characterise many of her questions as hollow, that is not leading anywhere, but she’s explained her philosophy well in a way that could explain this. Do you think it’s common for her day one question to be hollow, or to put it another way that they have no intent behind them other than asking questions for the sake of it as a means of generating something, as town?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:18 pmI'm not sure I understand the question, but dunya is usually a very sincere player. Her early game is pretty similar to my own and Jay's, for a a couple of examples, and she's a player that becomes easier to read one way or the other as the game goes on.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:10 amMP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.
So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?
Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.
She can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe English is not her first language (though she is certainly fluent) and I've seen this lead to in-game miscommunications more than once.
Haha, that's just how I do things, Scotty. It's day zero and I don't have much to add to the discussion. Not to worry though, I'll get my analysis glasses on before the poll is up so I can place my vote, and I'll keep you informed. :P
I’m getting tiwnie vibes from dom around this point.
Men need not change the hour to change his enemies' bowels to water.
Yeah jack primarily, kites posted some but hadn't been in for awhile. Otherwise people being gone for everything after the first hour or two of day 1 is concerning to me as they could have some critical knowledge or read, etc
I'm more creating a list of who you shouldn't vote for.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:53 pm Hey, Golden. You’re town, right?
Who should I vote for?
I wasn’t gonna vote for them anyway except maybe MP. This is no help at all.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:00 pmI'm more creating a list of who you shouldn't vote for.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:53 pm Hey, Golden. You’re town, right?
Who should I vote for?
Off the top of my head it includes MP, Mac, dunya, sig, scotty - these guys are creating content. Also liking wolbre so far, and if Epi is cursed then not him either.
I make no promises to be at all helpful.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:02 pmI wasn’t gonna vote for them anyway except maybe MP. This is no help at all.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:00 pmI'm more creating a list of who you shouldn't vote for.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:53 pm Hey, Golden. You’re town, right?
Who should I vote for?
Off the top of my head it includes MP, Mac, dunya, sig, scotty - these guys are creating content. Also liking wolbre so far, and if Epi is cursed then not him either.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:03 pm Remember everyone, if Dunya posts a ton, she cannot be mafia.
Someone like [mention]spacedaisy[/mention] is in discord enough that she might know.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:23 pmdunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pmnah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pmI'll elaborate on this.
She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?
suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?
I side with Dom in this exchange actually. there’s no accountability for either side but how sweet it would be if dunya did just scumslip.
Im keeping this one in my back pocket
Up to this quoted post, nothing seems alignment indicative to me. If anything, town arguing with town, but I'm not comfortable labeling anybody yet. I kinda hate this initial phase because it's really justSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:55 pmHello, it’s good to be playing with you again. Got any thoughts on things so far?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:44 pm I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.
In that case I rescind my ping on your questioning.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:24 pmSerious answer, I have none. This is our first time playing together I think.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 amHow much history do you have with sig, nova? (Serious question, btw).novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pmWhat don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pmI don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MPM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pmBut no one asked about wolbre yet.sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.
I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.
Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!
*It is for me.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:46 pmIs it lazy to vote someone for lack of activity?* I don’t particularly like this post.** Why so passionate about epi when he only has two votes?***speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 pmI concur.
Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.
I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.
Unless it's in *secrets*, I don't think it's on the role list.
Jay is not the kind of host who would randomly introduce mechanics, I don't think, so it's likely to be role connected or nothing at all.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:10 pmUnless it's in *secrets*, I don't think it's on the role list.
Methinks he's faking it?
It's big.
It appears I was wrong and he corrected me. We played 2 games on here together but we never interacted. I was also inactive in both so it was my fault lol.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:05 pmIn that case I rescind my ping on your questioning.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:24 pmSerious answer, I have none. This is our first time playing together I think.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 amHow much history do you have with sig, nova? (Serious question, btw).novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:42 pmWhat don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:58 pmI don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MPM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pmBut no one asked about wolbre yet.sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.
I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.
Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!