Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[ColinIsCool]

sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

I can’t get on sig for forgetting shit because it happens to the best of us- the absolute best of us,,,ya know?

What Epi is saying though is that sig mentioned him so many times it is doubtful he actually forgot about him.

[Scotty]

Like I'm honestly shocked that in a role madness closed set up game everyone's just believing some random PM with information.

Meanwhile in this role madness setup with only a smidgeon of info disclosed, you’re here with your back against the wall picking your teeth and making some vague rationale that you need to be lynched D3. To benefit the town? For shits? Literally the only reason at this point in your life I can imagine you’re withholding your power is that it loses its power if you disclose it. Otherwise you should disclose, we go “oh, cool, yeah let’s help you do that”, the doc saves you tonight and we lynch you tomorrow.

But no. Vagueries and Scaliwagging.

Good day sir

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Sig is your apparent inability to be lynched literally just today that it won't work?

Oh it'll work whenever I want, but it would be a waste for it to be used today. I won't have enough time in this timeline to make it worthwhile basically.

Sig are you a civilian? Yes or no?

If you are a civilian what will be the outcome of lynching you today? Is the outcome positive or negative? Why?

If you are a civilian does your continued existence beyond day 3 reap any benefit to the civilian cause?

Yes

there's no outcome of lynching me today since it won't happen but if it did it would be negative since you'd loose a civ, but there wouldn't be some cataclysmic event

yes in the sense that I'd be here to post and engage. However, it's not like some role actives if I'm alive after day 3.

Also I think y'all might've read a little bit to deep into my d/n 1 posts.

So if we attempt to lynch you today, it just fails? Or it redirects? Does the second person get lynched instead? What do you expect the outcome to be? Just your continued existence and a fart video?

So you are saying that all of your role stops being relevant come day 3?

If you are a civilian then us wasting a lynch on you here is a bad idea. Given we have several other people who have role claimed, perhaps the civilian duty you have here is to actually just enlighten us as to what it is that you do?

1. Everything resets and I leave you all for a better land BUT I wouldn't have been lynched.

2. No my role is relevant until I use it

3. I told you I can't be lynched that's my role power.

IF you try you fail and the timeline will be disrupted resulting in chaos. Or that's the theory anyway.

Also just to be clear if you tried to lynhc me day 3 it would also fail, but it would've been the optimal time for me to active my power. Or that's what I thought at first.

I don't really want to lynch sig today. I didn't know quite what to think of his claims earlier, but now I feel like he's being genuine.

[Scotty]

@insertnamehere and @sig , assuming Quin has been mis-led by this pm, do you think it likely that you could both be aligned?

Asking the important question- why has sig completely avoided the possibility that he could be wrong and not pinning it on INH, who would obviously be the option here

[Lunalee]

Also, I thought it was basically confirmed that INH was third-party. Is that a problem for town? Why is he tied with sig? I feel like we can do better than this.

[Turnip Head]

Also, I thought it was basically confirmed that INH was third-party. Is that a problem for town? Why is he tied with sig? I feel like we can do better than this.

Where do you see that?

[Turnip Head]

I mean where did INH claim 3P?

[Lunalee]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Yes, I want to step away from the sig and INH drama. I feel it is distracting us from actually getting a scum lynch. Didn't Quin start this whole thing? I don't know if I want to keep Quin around. I feel like he introduced a class-A distraction to get suspicions off of his team.

[Lunalee]

I mean where did INH claim 3P?

He didn't, but:

Spoiler: show

Once again, I feel like I'm in a position where I either reveal details about my role, or let myself get lynched.

This is the most frustrating goddamn situation, as even if sig, Quin, and I are all lynched, one after the other, the thread still won't know if Quin was telling the truth or not.

So, it's either sig, the dude who was literally voted as the most trustworthy person during the last phase, or me, who pissed off Golden and Scotty.

And there's a very large chance, IMO, that this is entirely pointless.

Spoiler: show

I thought Scotty's D1 voting pattern was weird and suspicious enough for me to vote for him, however, if he later went against what made me suspicious, I was open to changing it to someone else.

Quin is trying to put me in a situation where I either post the details of my role, proving that I'm not a threat to the civilians, or he's gonna make me look like a confirmed baddie, and serve my head on a platter.

But apparently the first is malevolent blackmail, and the second is okay, kosher civ behavior.


Linki:

Why should I care about your role? Scum gets fakeclaims.

What? I thought fake-claims were more character based. Like, if everyone said the name of their role, and three of the names were obvious bad guys in time-travel related tales, then fakeclaims would allow them to at least appear as simpatico, non-enemy sounding roles. That's how I used them in the games I've hosted. I'm not familiar with fake-claims including fake abilities.

Well, what the fuck do you want from me, Quin? If literally nothing I can say about myself or my role could change anything, fuck it.

Might as well ignore you then.

[Turnip Head]

I'm tossing Mac's name out there and I'm going all-in

[Lunalee]

I'm tossing Mac's name out there and I'm going all-in

Why is that?

[Scotty]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

It is a false statement, but I don’t think Epi is bad because of it.

[Turnip Head]

I'm tossing Mac's name out there and I'm going all-in

Why is that?

Tbh, I don't have anything better to do

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine [citation]

[Scotty]

There's no reason to presume epi's claim is false for certain. Juliets was the 'backup doctor' in Phenon after all.

Yeah, I would probably put the pitchforks down because I don’t know how his role works in accordance with mine.

All I’m saying is- time travel is a weird girlfriend and we shouldn’t assume things to be absolute.

I think Epi is civ or at worst on his own team. But most probably civ

[Scotty]

Epi are you a doctor, or The Doctor?

Bend over and reach me that box of gloves honey and I'll show you.

ok that made me lol congrats

[ColinIsCool]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Yes, I want to step away from the sig and INH drama. I feel it is distracting us from actually getting a scum lynch. Didn't Quin start this whole thing? I don't know if I want to keep Quin around. I feel like he introduced a class-A distraction to get suspicions off of his team.

Why would scum Quin feel the need to gambit this hard D2? Who is “his team”?

[Scotty]

Hands up if you're a doctor?

I'm a stump.

I’m a fucking* stump.

[Scotty]

sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

I can’t get on sig for forgetting shit because it happens to the best of us- the absolute best of us,,,ya know?

What Epi is saying though is that sig mentioned him so many times it is doubtful he actually forgot about him.

I literally forgot you were my teammate for a day in Easter.

It happens

[speedchuck]

[sig]

3

[sig]

2

[sig]

1

[Lunalee]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Yes, I want to step away from the sig and INH drama. I feel it is distracting us from actually getting a scum lynch. Didn't Quin start this whole thing? I don't know if I want to keep Quin around. I feel like he introduced a class-A distraction to get suspicions off of his team.

Why would scum Quin feel the need to gambit this hard D2? Who is “his team”?

I don't know. But I thought I'd go back and look for any clues, and found this objection to lynching both sig and INH. So now I'm back to thinking Quin actually received a pm, whether legit or not, and is trying to be helpful. I don't know who to vote for now, and I'm running out of time.

[Lunalee]

I'm going to put my vote on INH because I don't like how defensive he got about his role. But that makes a tie between him and sig. Ugh.

[speedchuck]

Hold for Event

[speedchuck]

DAY 2a - EVENT

"Well, well, what's going on here? Have you got him? This... this Sig fellow. Hmm, he seems like a scoundrelly sort. Ah, but don't we all?"

Sig is held back by two of his fellow passengers. He backpedals away from the time tour guide, remembering how Zephyrus was forced to walk
off the ship into the timestream.

"No," he says. "I'm not going out there."

Then he, with a sudden clumsy grace, Sig turns his attackers one on another, slams them into the ground, and leaps for a window.

"Stop him!" a voice cries.

"Whatever for?"

Sig crashes out the window into the blurry hues of the timestream, and is lost to view. The resulting stunned silence is so loud that everyone has to cover their ears. Oh, wait, that's the open window.

"I'll patch it up!" the time tour guide says. Keep looking for more of those Paradox Police blokes!

Sig has VANISHED! Votes have been RESET. Day has been extended for 23 hours to deal with fixing the window, till 6/20 at 10:00 EST.

[Golden]

Flavour text sounds a little like sig is bad, or am I reading into it?

I see no reason he doesn’t come a little more clean first if good. He’s enjoying the confusion. And it was suggested the doctor could protect him tonight. It definitely feels bad all up.

[Turnip Head]

[ColinIsCool]

I still don’t understand why Day 3 is any better than Day 2, or Day 4 or 5.

[Golden]

I still don’t understand why Day 3 is any better than Day 2, or Day 4 or 5.

If he’s bad, why would he have made that clear?

I’m pretty sure sig will be back later to wreak havoc.

[Scotty]

Someone needs to fix that window, it’s letting a draft blow in and my feet are cold.

So now who do we lynch? The supposed 3rd party INH?

[insertnamehere]

INT. OLD ABANDONED WAREHOUSE

A man holding a video camera lumbers through a cluttered, dusty warehouse. He's surrounded by faded cardboard boxes haphazardly placed on shelves. The man inspects each box, clearly looking for something. With a small exclamation of relief, he singles out and breaks open one particular box. Inside is a chair, which the man places on the ground. After hitting the record button, and setting his camera on a nearby shelf, the man sits in the chair and looks directly into the lens.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Well, uh, welcome back to the second installment of the INSERTNAMEHERE READZONE. Gonna be honest, the first episode...wasn't exactly a hit. In fact, everything from the format of the show, to the content led to people wanting to lynch me, but, uh, who I am I to let that stop me, right? I have a responsibility to deliver my true, genuine opinions to you fine people, and if I let fear of a little thing like fear of public opinion stop me, I let the terrorists win. So, er, where to start?

The man takes a deep breath.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Obviously, I'd be wasting both my time and yours if I don't start with the obvious thing. The reason why I'm, as they say, on the run instead of sitting in a comfy studio. The big nonsensical imbroglio that has trapped the town in a cycle of frenzied speculation without any real, hard facts, while the possibility of gaining any real, hard facts seems smaller and smaller by the hour. It began with Quin.

A long sigh.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Of course it did. Who else? Quin posted that he had been given information saying that yours truly and sig weren't of the same alignment. How exactly he got this information, and its' legitimacy has remained fuzzy. Quin himself hasn't exactly been...forthcoming with this info. But, and I have to be honest, even if Quin is an honest civilian who loves his country and all that jazz, I can't help but feel like all this craziness is a net negative for the town. Even if I came out, loud and proud, against Sig, and he got successfully lynched today, the town'd gain no information about sig's alignment, meaning that I'd probably still be a top target for the lynch tomorrow. And even after both mine and sig's lynch, the town still know if Quin was being honest, meaning that he'd probably also be a top target going forward. With one post, Quin signed a death sentence for me, sig, and himself, provided that the town was willing to work itself into a frenzy over it. All the while, everyone's distracted from actually hunting the baddies, and they just slip on through. Whittling off the numbers. I genuinely don't know if the town can come back from this, if both Sig and Quin actually are civilians.

The man looks off into the distance.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Okay, uh, onto some related issues. Epignosis. Now, Epignosis is a great host of games, and a genuinely nice guy from everything I've seen. But, sometimes, he decides that he wants his strategy in mafia games to mainly be rude, dismissive, and combative. This is by no means his behavior in every game, but it can certainly pop up. I find that he usually displays it most when he's making either one large assumption or a series of assumptions that he wants the thread to believe and take seriously, and not look too closely at. He believes that he can make this work through stunting on people, and pure bravado. The series of assumptions that he's aggressively pushing people towards relates to me. His first assumption relates to a paragraph I wrote in which I referred to "the town" in the third person. This apparently is proof positive that I'm an independent role. Wait, actually, no. According to Epignosis, this reference to "the town" in the third person means that I'm a baddie pretending to be an independent by slipping oblique, grammatical references into my posts, in order to not get lynched. This...makes no fucking sense to me. Of course, were I to tell him that, he'd disregard it, saying that it doesn't need to make sense to me, and that it aligns perfectly with his perceived view of mafia stratagems, and to, y'know, shove off. So, instead, I implore all the civilians to actually look at all of the assumptions he's making and to judge them critically, without being cowed into going along with his faulty logic just because he tries to loudly shout at people until they do.

He checks his watch.

INSERTNAMEHERE
I realize that the obvious rejoinder to me saying that focusing on Quin, sig, and myself is a mistake for the town is a loud, stubborn, "well, who else should we look at?", so allow me to put forth some candidates. Off the top of my head, Lunalee, Epignosis, and Turnip Head. I'd also like to demand some more from Choutas, Kylemii, and Lapluie, lest they be future candidates for my wrath. Lunalee stinks the most of "going with the flow" out of every player in the game. She described her scum game, which I saw in U-Pick, as "looking good." And IMO her posts, with her going from voting sig to be president, to saying that sig should be lynched, to then wonder why people want to lynch sig, to asking more questions, to saying that sig shouldn't be lynched, to saying that I shouldn't be lynched if I'm ostensibly an indie role, to saying that the sig/INH drama is bad for the town, to voting for Quin, then changing to me, because apparently I was "defensive about my role"? Her progression of thought and ideas make no sense, and feel like a person trying to figure out the current of the thread, in order to conceal themselves in it. Her tying up the poll, pouring even more fuel on the sig/INH fire just feels planned and pragmatic to me. She's my top lynch candidate. Moving to Epi, his forcing people to conform to his assumption-based viewpoints seems shady and disingenous. I want to see more from him before I'd categorize him as a strong scum read, but he's someone I feel very uncomfortable about. (I know, I know, Epi has no regard for anyone's comfort levels. He's made that clear.) Finally, Turnip Head, who just seems malevolently irreverent in a way that seems different from his normal M.O.. I feel like his insistence that his win condition makes him completely apathetic is contrived, and I'd like to see either an explanation or some effort from him. Otherwise, his position on my shitlist will only become more and more prominent.

Suddenly, tinny mechanical music begins to play. The man rustles in his pocket and pulls out a cellphone loudly emanating saxophone grooves. The man answers the call and puts the phone to his ear.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Yep, speaking...uh huh...wait, what? Seriously? Well, shit. That makes things considerably worse for me....okay, thanks, bye.

The man puts his phone back into his pocket.

INSERTNAMEHERE
So, Sig's "vanished" and the lynch is pushed back. Well, I guess it's more important than ever that sound, solid baddie-hunting is prioritized over giving into Quin-originated paranoid hysteria. I suggest that we all take a look at Luna, and I'm open to other ideas that aren't "well, now we gotta kill INH. Sorry dude."

The man sighs a second time.

INSERTNAMEHERE
Alright. This has been the INSERTNAMEHERE READZONE's second and hopefully not-final episode. I really wish to see you all a third time. Till...whatever comes, goodbye. Stay safe. Stay smart. Don't let them get to you.

The man gets up from his chair, walks over to the camera, and turns it off.

[Turnip Head]

It's readable

[insertnamehere]

It's readable

ty

[Kylemii]

hey what time does this phase end? im s little behind here and I need to know when to budget my time for ketchup

[Lunalee]

Wow, INH. That was beautiful, despite your suspicions of me.

[Lunalee]

hey what time does this phase end? im s little behind here and I need to know when to budget my time for ketchup

Dude, we just got an extra day phase. You have plenty of time for ketchup and re-evaluation.

[Kylemii]

hey what time does this phase end? im s little behind here and I need to know when to budget my time for ketchup

Dude, we just got an extra day phase. You have plenty of time for ketchup and re-evaluation.

what?

[Kylemii]

did I miss a lynch

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t agree with the recurring idea that we’ll just get rid of both signand inh to be safe. Quin’s posts should have been the catalyst for a decision, not a non-decision.

[insertnamehere]

Wow, INH. That was beautiful, despite your suspicions of me.

Thank you! Also, sorry.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

[insertnamehere]

I don’t agree with the recurring idea that we’ll just get rid of both signand inh to be safe. Quin’s posts should have been the catalyst for a decision, not a non-decision.

It's denial and fear-mongering with no real potential results IMO. I realize I'm not exactly unbiased, but I'd feel more comfortable if the town lynched people because of legitimate in-thread reasons when we have no flips to go off of, instead of contested info-dropping hearsay which won't truly be proven one way or the other until dead peoples' roles are revealed. The former is productive and can generate conversations, while the second won't actually give us any information while serving as a major distraction.

[Golden]

Is anyone going to engage on ‘flavour text of host post’ with me?

Sig escaped our grasp and the tour guide told us to catch ‘more’ paradox police.

I think it points to sig as bad.

[ColinIsCool]

The fact that both sig and INH have attacked the intel, rather than each other, bodes poorly.

[ColinIsCool]

Is anyone going to engage on ‘flavour text of host post’ with me?

Sig escaped our grasp and the tour guide told us to catch ‘more’ paradox police.

I think it points to sig as bad.

Yeah, could be.

[Golden]

The polls thread doesn’t have the night poll. Does anyone else?

I’m convinced enough that sig is bad both through his behaviour, his choice to pull out that event when he did, and the flavour of the host post to start looking at some interactive analysis.

First step is who greased the wheels on sigs quill win.

[Golden]

I have to say I don’t agree with inhs case on Luna, same behaviour as Ancient Greece, but I independently see her as compatible with a bad sig.

[lapluie]

hi all

[Lunalee]

I have to say I don’t agree with inhs case on Luna, same behaviour as Ancient Greece, but I independently see her as compatible with a bad sig.

Golden, you're not making much sense here. You don't agree with INH's analysis of my posts, but you think I'm bad because I defended sig?