It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[MacDougall]

Ew, per Sloonei's post, Colin really doesn't look good.

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

I would feel really bad mis-lynching Colin. Again.

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

There is something weird about the way that Luna is handling Colin especially given Colin has indicated that Luna is his numero uno suspect. I cannot see her having even given that post he made a single reaction.

Lunalee: suspect numero uno. She is letting other people duke it out and get attention, even letting other people come up with her reads. I think she is flying under the radar by design.

Inversely, Colin's progression on Luna came in an organic and orderly way.

Luna looks real bad right now imo.

[MacDougall]

Luna also makes perfect sense as the dunya killer. She had contributed to dunya's civilian status from the get go herself so she was in no position to turn on her in the thread. Killing her is the only way to remove her.

Lunalee 95% Mafia

[MacDougall]

All who would speak to Luna's defence rise and state your motherfucking case god fucking damn it

[MacDougall]

Except Luna you stay there

[Lunalee]

Sloonei Mr. Supatown help me out I have a thing I'm trying to do but it requires me to create a bit of a matrix of who suspected who (with panache) during night 1.

What do you need?

Help me create said matrix.

I will do this when I’m on my laptop.

You should also include who each player picked to "town lock" on page 17:
nova picked sloonei
juliets picked dunya
dunya picked juliets, then mac
mongoose picked mac

[Lunalee]

oh, hi Mac, I see you brought out the battle axes.

[Lunalee]

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

[MacDougall]

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

LOLLLLL FFS

[MacDougall]

I don't feel like doing this ay. No offence to you guys but I'm not in the mood and I have a ton of other things to do. I'm just gonna go back to troll mode.

[novaselinenever]

Mac, why did you kill poor Dunya?

[novaselinenever]

I also have a strong town read on nova. I really liked the exercise he had me and dunya do with him this afternoon. I do wonder if dunya had not put a lock on Mac whether Mac would have come out in this bottom three. @novaselinenever did dunya convince you Mac is good or do you still have reservations about him?

No she hasn't, at least not completely. But with yourself, Sloonei and her town reading him this much it's making me really hesitate on him. It kinda also reminds me of Golden in the Firefly game where I was tunneling him since D1 and he was a consensus town read for the majority of the game.

[novaselinenever]

Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

Catching up, I was expecting this one. You never disappoint Mac.

[novaselinenever]

If anyone missed it, I'm town

Okay Nova, but I just can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji. You're very close to getting your town card revoked from my list, btw.

What do you mean, lol?

[novaselinenever]

I'm in the "Believe Juliets" camp.

[juliets]

Ok, this is getting damn confusing.

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

Mac and nova - I don't think Mac is mafia but is his nova and sloonei suspicion believable? I need to look at nova again and see if I feel like his Mac suspicion was made up or flowed naturally. sloonei's suspicion of me and subsequent tunneling definitely seemed off to me given my behavior as a civ over many games. I don't relish the thought of re-reading sloonei but I guess I'm going to have to. Sloonei is my tinfoil suspicion.

[mention]thellama73[/mention] what are you thinking about nova and sloonei? Do the things Mac says make sense to you?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] PLEASE don't check out. We really need you now. No one was responding to you because we were asleep not because we don't care. Please don't devolve into just trolling.

[juliets]

I work today until late this afternoon again so I won't be around for the meat of the day. Please discuss a lot of things and I'll catch up when I get home. This is a crucial lynch for us and I'm scared.

[novaselinenever]

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

I think you're looking too deep at her "shining civ" comment. It could have been simply being friendly to Dunya, and trying to buddy her rather than an elaborate ruse for the night kill (72 hours later lol).

Do you believe her claim, if you were to make an immediate call?

[Mongoose]

Before I catch up, I want to apologize for not being around last night. I got feeling really bad about 15 mins into yoga, and went home and more or less went to sleep and slept 12 hours. I dunno what I was thinking, signing up for a game during Session, but I promise I am doing the best I can with my participation. On to the backlog l!

[Mongoose]

I don't like when people vote no lynch. DO NOT WANT.

I agree llama unless its a case like they just had in Gossip Girl. But how do you explain a mafia member voting no lynch? Two of them in fact if you think Colin and Mongoose are bad (the you in this sentence is not meant to mean you specifically).

I wish I was better at reading you. You always read the same to me. I do think it's unlikely that both mafia members would vote for No Lynch, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them did.

llama are you calling this an explanation? I still don't understand why a baddie would vote no lynch.

They wouldn’t. Seems instead like the calling cards of civs that don’t know what heck they are doing on Day 1 and really stressed by that.

[Mongoose]

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

[Mongoose]

I voted no lynch because I did not feel like I could justify voting for anybody given how far behind I was in the thread. I had no strong scumreads until earlier this morning when I caught up. Strategically, I also think no lynch is not as terrible as people make it out to be, in select cases, such as having no good rationale to vote anyone. It’s distasteful, but I wasn’t going to cast a vote I didn’t believe in.

juliets I know you asked me something; I will get to it.

Dunya, I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

What are your strongest reads?

I feel best about juliets being town and Mongoose being town. I don’t really understand the Mongoose case tbh

Thanks, I knew I liked you.

[Mongoose]

I see a ton of authenticity in Mongoose’s game. We’re kindred spirits of being in over our heads.

YESSS you pulled the words right out of my brain

[Mongoose]

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

[Mongoose]

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.

Are we sure about that?

[Mongoose]

dunya was a very obvious kill target regardless of the mafia team.

You would say that because you are obviously Nova's teammate

You are cracking me up this game

[Lunalee]

If anyone missed it, I'm town

Okay Nova, but I just can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji. You're very close to getting your town card revoked from my list, btw.

What do you mean, lol?

Just that I'm losing confidence in my town read on you.

[Mongoose]

Well that kill was quite obviously Nova

That's an interesting thought. Are you thinking that because nova had dunya as one of his top town reads?

Dunya had Nova out for blood and was the main person defending me from his dumb shit case. Removing her not only takes away a huge adversary of his but also makes it a hell of a lot easier to get away with his sham case making on me.

I’m still here and I will defend you like we’re at the dang ICC, son

Linki

[novaselinenever]

If anyone missed it, I'm town

Okay Nova, but I just can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji. You're very close to getting your town card revoked from my list, btw.

What do you mean, lol?

Just that I'm losing confidence in my town read on you.

[novaselinenever]

However, I'm more interested in the "can't help but see that as a poker-face emoji". The meaning of that, and what it makes you think about me.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.

[Mongoose]

I just spent an entire night not sleeping so I might be insane right now, but I think you’re both town.

Ok, after reading the Nova/Mac drama, where Mac accuses Nova of being teammates with Sloonei, Sloonei says this. And it looks like something a teammate would totally do.

I GET this read but I just cannot fathom Sloonei being mafia. I think I could be talked into Nova (although not just because he won’t get off Mac’s ass - we’ve all been super wrong before with needless civ on civ violence ), but I just can’t with Sloonei

Linki

[Mongoose]

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.

That’s not why I’m voting you at all! It’s subject to change by the way. I want to do what Sloonei says and be more of an active participant this day.

[Mongoose]

Ew, per Sloonei's post, Colin really doesn't look good.

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

I would feel really bad mis-lynching Colin. Again.

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

There is something weird about the way that Luna is handling Colin especially given Colin has indicated that Luna is his numero uno suspect. I cannot see her having even given that post he made a single reaction.

Lunalee: suspect numero uno. She is letting other people duke it out and get attention, even letting other people come up with her reads. I think she is flying under the radar by design.

Inversely, Colin's progression on Luna came in an organic and orderly way.

Luna looks real bad right now imo.

It’s a lot of buddying up for sure. She backed off Mac quicker than I thought she would.

[Mongoose]

All who would speak to Luna's defence rise and state your motherfucking case god fucking damn it

I’m looking forward to this and want to see this before I permanently commit to voting her.

[Mongoose]

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.

That’s not why I’m voting you at all! It’s subject to change by the way. I want to do what Sloonei says and be more of an active participant this day.

okay, fair. I'll be as active as I can today, so maybe we can figure out a good vote candidate.

[novaselinenever]

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

Is that so? This is the first time I'm hearing of it.

[Mongoose]

I don't feel like doing this ay. No offence to you guys but I'm not in the mood and I have a ton of other things to do. I'm just gonna go back to troll mode.

Noooo I like Non Troll Mac. Plus we were getting into more than a butchers shop, whether you realie it or not. Please keep going. Without Dunya here to constantly propel the hunting going, it was nice you stepped up to the plate.

Linki x 2

[Mongoose]

I'm in the "Believe Juliets" camp.

Me too. You wouldn’t dare disclose you’re the cop until after you’ve used your gift.

[Lunalee]

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.

Are we sure about that?

only one way to find out! (but please don't lynch me just to know)

[Mongoose]

You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

Is that so? This is the first time I'm hearing of it.

You’re not wrong. (Nothing big yet)

I’ll be around as much as I can today but honestly I need a break right now after that gauntlet of a catch up

[Mongoose]

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

You're voting me because I haven't voted yet? I very frequently wait until day of EOD to cast my vote.

That’s not why I’m voting you at all! It’s subject to change by the way. I want to do what Sloonei says and be more of an active participant this day.

okay, fair. I'll be as active as I can today, so maybe we can figure out a good vote candidate.

Deal. I shouldn’t have any problem staying active over the weekend.

[ColinIsCool]

This is a clip from a larger post. I don't understand what you mean here Colin, could you fill me in?

i dunno guys, when i vote for someone, i usually have interest in them getting lynched especially when accompanied with rationale. but maybe i'm just mafiaing wrong. i'ma try it your way.

[VOTE: novaselinelover] aubergine

This is still a load of hot bullshit as I am not even the first person in the thread to make that point.

I was quibbling with dunya (and Nova) about a rationale for voting for someone (temporarily, I believe) without intent to lynch. My point in calling it “hot bullshit” was that they were being willfully obtuse on the subject to apply pressure to me, and that others had discussed voting for other reasons (applying pressure, for one) earlier but I had been singled out.

[ColinIsCool]

Oops

[ColinIsCool]

I see a ton of authenticity in Mongoose’s game. We’re kindred spirits of being in over our heads.

She could only name one suspect in her GTH reads. What do you make of that?

I can relate. If she’s bad perhaps she’s getting credit she doesn’t deserve from me but nothing she’s done has really pinged me.

[ColinIsCool]

Every time I envision Nova posting I imagine him sitting there sipping on a drink with a smirk on his face. Everything has a snarky tone to it. His tone reeks of mischief and mayhem. He's like the guy you catch staring at you from across the room while pretending to read the paper and then goes back to the paper and pretends you never made eye contact and he has a grey trenchcoat on and a tall hat.

This really is a terrific post.

[thellama73]

Ok, this is getting damn confusing.

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

Mac and nova - I don't think Mac is mafia but is his nova and sloonei suspicion believable? I need to look at nova again and see if I feel like his Mac suspicion was made up or flowed naturally. sloonei's suspicion of me and subsequent tunneling definitely seemed off to me given my behavior as a civ over many games. I don't relish the thought of re-reading sloonei but I guess I'm going to have to. Sloonei is my tinfoil suspicion.

@thellama73 what are you thinking about nova and sloonei? Do the things Mac says make sense to you?

@MacDougall PLEASE don't check out. We really need you now. No one was responding to you because we were asleep not because we don't care. Please don't devolve into just trolling.

I have not felt too good about Nova from the beginning, but I don't have very much concrete to go on. I think Sloonei is civilian. Pretty much the only thing I really agree with Mac on is his suspicion of Luna. I think her claim coming as it did right after Sloonei mentioned that it would be a good idea for the doublevoter to claim, felt too convenient. She said "I have nothing to lose" which sounds to me like a baddie about to be lynched throwing a last minute hail mary. I don't think it's as sophisticated the analysis above indicates. Just desperation.

I don't like when people vote no lynch. DO NOT WANT.

I agree llama unless its a case like they just had in Gossip Girl. But how do you explain a mafia member voting no lynch? Two of them in fact if you think Colin and Mongoose are bad (the you in this sentence is not meant to mean you specifically).

I wish I was better at reading you. You always read the same to me. I do think it's unlikely that both mafia members would vote for No Lynch, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them did.

llama are you calling this an explanation? I still don't understand why a baddie would vote no lynch.

They wouldn’t. Seems instead like the calling cards of civs that don’t know what heck they are doing on Day 1 and really stressed by that.

Ignoring the basic logic of why no lynches benefit mafia, which I have now explained twice, does not make me feel better about you.

[thellama73]

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

[thellama73]

I forgot to say this earlier in my post about Mac, but I am now firmly convinced he is civ. The tunneling, the wild leaps of logic, the barely suppressed hostility, and unfaltering snark all read as civ Mac to me.

[thellama73]

Sorry for multiposting, but things keep ocurring to me that I want to get down. If Mongoose's no lynch vote was indeed accidental, and I believe that it was, then we can deduce nothing about her alignment from it. I still don't think she looks good, but thta is one piece of evidence that is off the table.

On the other hand, I maintain that intentionally voting No Lynch is an anti-town move. I said before that I did not believe both baddies would vote No Lynch in concert, so if Colin turns out to be bad, Mongoose wouldn't be, and vice versa. That logic no longer holds since one of the votes was unintentional. I think this makes Colin look worse, as the only player to actively choose no lynch. His unwillingness to participate very much is not helping him, either.