Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

#1751

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:27 am my coworker asked me yesterday why my screen was always so dark. look away, mofo. look away.

My sides. That's fucking awesome.

I've had people ask what I do all day on my phone and I just lie. My actual friends already know I'm just playing mafia. Or pokemon.

#1752

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:57 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay
Nova's bad, too.
Also, Jack what do you see about nova? I have been antsy about him not looking the same as the nova I saw in the last 3 games I played with him where he was civ, but he has a plausible excuse (school).

I'm often antsy in mafia about people so don't feel bad. Right now with so much going on I just don't have many town reads. And I will keep those to myself since it's night.

#1753

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:58 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:47 pm Epi doesn't even do insane cops (right?) LC probably just a baddie.

Wasn't Mac like "Of all the quiet people, I'm thinking about LC the most?" or some shit?
I'm pretty sure I've never been in an Epic game where there was an insane cop OR a strongman.
Insane cops are considered bastard. Strongmen are not.

I've never seen my role or Nutella's role in any game before and they're in this one.

Ok, that's fair. I've only seen my role in one other game and that was 2 years ago.

#1754

My role has a clever twist on it. It's really neat.

#1755

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] when you got the cop check why did you pick Elo and not me or Daisy? (Sorry if someone already asked this.)

#1756

my role is worded cleverly, but it isn't unique to this game. dunno if i'm the only one.

#1757

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:14 pm Jackofhearts2005 when you got the cop check why did you pick Elo and not me or Daisy? (Sorry if someone already asked this.)

Well, Mac flipping scum kinda shot the "Daisy is focused on Juliets out of Mac and Juliets because she's scum with Juliets" theory out of the water. Her reaction would have been backwards if she was scum. So Daisy's at a townread and you're somewhere around null.

Here's the thing, though. I always use info gathering powers on people I don't know how to read and I don't know how to read Eloh. But if she's an alignment cop, she's town and if she's a ninja, she's scum.

#1758

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:20 pm Here's the thing, though. I always use info gathering powers on people I don't know how to read and I don't know how to read Eloh. But if she's an alignment cop, she's town and if she's a ninja, she's scum.

you said her role fits both alignments. so what's your read on her now?

#1759

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:20 pm Here's the thing, though. I always use info gathering powers on people I don't know how to read and I don't know how to read Eloh. But if she's an alignment cop, she's town and if she's a ninja, she's scum.
you said her role fits both alignments. so what's your read on her now?

I don't have a read on her because her role fits both alignments.

Seriously, I don't even try to read Eloh. I've been sure she was town one time and she was scum. I've correctly scumread her once. I've helped mislynch her like 5 times.

#1760

#1761

Long Con ran back to Chatzy rather than face me.

#1762

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:14 pm Jackofhearts2005 when you got the cop check why did you pick Elo and not me or Daisy? (Sorry if someone already asked this.)
Well, Mac flipping scum kinda shot the "Daisy is focused on Juliets out of Mac and Juliets because she's scum with Juliets" theory out of the water. Her reaction would have been backwards if she was scum. So Daisy's at a townread and you're somewhere around null.

Here's the thing, though. I always use info gathering powers on people I don't know how to read and I don't know how to read Eloh. But if she's an alignment cop, she's town and if she's a ninja, she's scum.

Lol, if you still think I'm bad you don't know how to read me either.

#1763

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:27 pm Long Con ran back to Chatzy rather than face me.

Told him it was a bad plan.

#1764

Nah, I was checking in from a patio with wings and a beer, and the sunshine made it too hard to keep reading my phone, so I put it away.

You're not supposed to be able to see me anyway, because I'm invisible... but half the site regulars are mods of some sort with super powers, so that's fine.

Jack is scrambling to throw a bunch of fake news at you, but don't be fooled. If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

#1765

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:49 pm Jack is scrambling to throw a bunch of fake news at you, but don't be fooled. If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

So is this the claim:

You target a civilian, we skip the next night phase.

You target a mafioso, we skip the next day phase.

?

#1766

You got it, bro.

#1767

Wait, mods can see you when you're invisible?

#1768

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:49 pm Nah, I was checking in from a patio with wings and a beer, and the sunshine made it too hard to keep reading my phone, so I put it away.

You're not supposed to be able to see me anyway, because I'm invisible... but half the site regulars are mods of some sort with super powers, so that's fine.

Jack is scrambling to throw a bunch of fake news at you, but don't be fooled. If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

So, the players backing him up in the fake news are likely to be the rest of his team?

#1769

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:53 pm Wait, mods can see you when you're invisible?

#1770

Steely Dan - Time Out of Mind

Son you better be ready for love
On this glory day
This is your chance to believe
What I've got to say

Keep your eyes on the sky
Put a dollar in the kitty
Don't the moon look pretty

Tonight when I chase the dragon
The water may change to cherry wine
And the silver will turn to gold
(Time out of mind)
Time out of mind

I am holding the mystical sphere
It's direct from Lhasa
Where people are rolling in the snow
Far from the world we know

Children we have it right here
It's the light in my eyes
It's perfection and grace
It's the smile on my face

Tonight when I chase the dragon
The water may change to cherry wine
And the silver will turn to gold
(Time out of mind)
Time out of mind

Children we have it right here
It's the light in my eyes
It's perfection and grace
It's the smile on my face

Tonight when I chase the dragon
The water may change to cherry wine
And the silver will turn to gold
(Time out of mind)

#1771

If the silver turns to gold, two days in a row.

#1772

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:52 pm You got it, bro.

So...you made us skip the day phase and this is somehow my fault?

Nahnah. I'm the good guy here.

#1773

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:52 pm You got it, bro.
So...you made us skip the day phase and this is somehow my fault?

Nahnah. I'm the good guy here.

Sorry Jack. You shouldn't have made me distrust you. I didn't like your involvement in the Mac lynch.

#1774

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:49 pm Nah, I was checking in from a patio with wings and a beer, and the sunshine made it too hard to keep reading my phone, so I put it away.

You're not supposed to be able to see me anyway, because I'm invisible... but half the site regulars are mods of some sort with super powers, so that's fine.

Jack is scrambling to throw a bunch of fake news at you, but don't be fooled. If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

Why are you playing invisible anyway, hmm?

Linki: What involvement in the Mac lynch?

#1775

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:54 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:53 pm Wait, mods can see you when you're invisible?

Not this one.

#1776

I'm permanently invisible; have been for years.

Go back to after I voted Mac and see the things you said. That involvement. That made me suspect you.

#1777

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:01 pm I'm permanently invisible; have been for years.

Go back to after I voted Mac and see the things you said. That involvement. That made me suspect you.

Like that Charlie Brown movie?

Okay. #disbelieve

#1778

Jack is saying LC is just straight up lying and isn't paying any heed to alternative possibilities. Bad.

#1779

Jack has given up me think

#1780

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:01 pm I'm permanently invisible; have been for years.

Go back to after I voted Mac and see the things you said. That involvement. That made me suspect you.

Jack posts immediately following LC's vote for Mac:

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:24 pm Go on and vote Mac, Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:27 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:25 pm I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.
*scribbles aggressively*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:30 pm Hey my color is back.

Linki: Why do we believe Juliets’s claim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:30 pm Hey my color is back.

Linki: Why do we believe Juliets’s claim?
Because her personality exists.
What does that have to do with her claim?

If you (meaning anyone) just townread Juliets, okay. But all the “this is a good claim” is setting off my warning bells. It’s a claim I’ve never seen and a claim that never needs to be proven because mafia don’t shoot a night stump or whatever. It doesn’t make me suspect her more but why would it make anyone suspect her less?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:33 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:27 pm Well, you are dead wrong. You may think I am off but I'm not. I will claim if I have to because it will be very little lost for the civs and very little gain for the mafia if they kill me.
She projected this, and I think it's authentic -- particularly her lack of enthusiasm with the role.
I don’t understand. That’s a great role to have.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:37 pm Mac hasn't even been here to respond to JJJ's accusation. That is unfortunate.
Oh well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:40 pm At this point my greatest motivation is not nutella. Among the active players Mac is the best suspect I've got, so sure.

I'm still open to a low poster. I will run out of time in moments.
Cfd Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:30 pm Hey my color is back.

Linki: Why do we believe Juliets’s claim?
Because her personality exists.
What does that have to do with her claim?

If you (meaning anyone) just townread Juliets, okay. But all the “this is a good claim” is setting off my warning bells. It’s a claim I’ve never seen and a claim that never needs to be proven because mafia don’t shoot a night stump or whatever. It doesn’t make me suspect her more but why would it make anyone suspect her less?
I think certain people are less likely than others to make up claims period, and I also think this would make a silly fake.
i'm not saying i doubt juliets but that is silly. 1. epi could have given fake claims. 2. someone on her team could have suggested fake claims (i do this early every game when i'm mafia and the host didn't provide us with fake claims). 3. why is it silly? it basically helps ensure she wouldn't be nk'd cos pointless and not lynched cos she a stub.
I have never seen a mafia team given fake role claims in my life.

That doesn't mean you're wrong. I haven't seen it though. You could be right, but I am not in the business of finding every possible universe where I might be wrong about X. I make judgments.
You played in FE but whatever.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:43 pm Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?
Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:45 pm [VOTE: Neverwhere] aubergine

LC can speak to what his beefs were. I can understand.

#1781

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:05 pm Jack is saying LC is just straight up lying and isn't paying any heed to alternative possibilities. Bad.

I mean, misdirection is always possible but LC said he was 100% sure. That's why I think he's straight up lying.

#1782

vig jack imo. i didn't really believe his claim too much in the first place for reasons i don't wanna get into.

#1783

If Jack is scum and he delays his death through the end of night 3 for verification purposes, that's a win for him. Him having a role that pings people during the day would help with that even further.

I'm still going to announce what I hear tomorrow (in a few hours I guess), but I'm skeptical.

#1784

rip us when rey is our vig.

#1785

I don't think confirming Jack's role even matters. Why can't that be a mafia role?

#1786

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:22 pm I don't think confirming Jack's role even matters. Why can't that be a mafia role?

a mafia that hands out life vests? what kinda messed up shit is that? don't think epi would do a role that makes civilians thing they're protected and then then mafia just don't kill them or strongman kill them.

jack is lying. it was a good hail mary, especially how it started on speed then claimed role cop which nutella had flipped last night lol.

#1787

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:22 pm I don't think confirming Jack's role even matters. Why can't that be a mafia role?
a mafia that hands out life vests? what kinda messed up shit is that? don't think epi would do a role that makes civilians thing they're protected and then then mafia just don't kill them or strongman kill them.

I do. He doesn't want role claims that confirm people. I think that's the point of this setup. Everyone is still on the table regardless of what they claim.

Anyway it's all convoluted and likely fake so we agree where it matters.

#1788

i'm losing my english. i'm not sleeping and i should be working.

#1789

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:05 pm Jack is saying LC is just straight up lying and isn't paying any heed to alternative possibilities. Bad.
I mean, misdirection is always possible but LC said he was 100% sure. That's why I think he's straight up lying.

Of course you're right, misdirections exist. So nothing can be 100%. How about, barring someone messing with my role in some way, I'm 100% sure that you're bad. Is that better?

#1790

So what you're saying is that Juliets is a mafia stump.

It's a cool idea for a setup, and LC's reveal puts it into perspective. I think every role is built to be used by mafia OR town. Then alignments are assigned separately. It's a perfect closed setup.

#1791

I am doing the Jack/nova interaction analysis by the way it's just taking forever because they are so prolific. I don't see them being teammate compatible which makes me want to stop but I will finish it and publish the quotes for all of you to see in case you look at it and see something different.

linki - wait what? I'm not a mafia stump.

#1792

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:34 pm linki - wait what? I'm not a mafia stump.

We're discussing how roles are possibly assigned separate from alignment.

I don't actually suspect you.

#1793

Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?

#1794

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:36 pm Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?

is LC a "role cop" or flavorful alignment cop?

#1795

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:34 pm I am doing the Jack/nova interaction analysis by the way it's just taking forever because they are so prolific. I don't see them being teammate compatible which makes me want to stop but I will finish it and publish the quotes for all of you to see in case you look at it and see something different.

linki - wait what? I'm not a mafia stump.

Yes, that's one of the more laborious analyses there is. Thank you.

#1796

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:36 pm Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?
is LC a "role cop" or flavorful alignment cop?

He told us what Jack's role was.

#1797

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:36 pm Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?
is LC a "role cop" or flavorful alignment cop?
He told us what Jack's role was.

Did he?

#1798

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:36 pm Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?
is LC a "role cop" or flavorful alignment cop?
He told us what Jack's role was.

eh? where?

#1799

As far as I can see, LC only refers to Jack by alignment (bad).

#1800

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:34 pm I am doing the Jack/nova interaction analysis by the way it's just taking forever because they are so prolific. I don't see them being teammate compatible which makes me want to stop but I will finish it and publish the quotes for all of you to see in case you look at it and see something different.

linki - wait what? I'm not a mafia stump.

You can stop

No static at all? You sure?