Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Sloonei]

It is my turn to do the ISO work that I'm sure others have already done before me.

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What'd I miss?

Numerous micro-interactions between various pairs and trios of players that could not be effectively summarized without writing a novel. You might be well advised to try catching up with ISOs instead of forcing yourself through the thread. If you want to do that though, you do you.

My tactic in large games has been to largely ignore everything that happens until halfway through Day 1 for my own sanity. That said, town has lost every such game. I'll start with SPF and KZA isos.


Why are you voting me and why do you have 100+ posts already?

If my memory of Early Day 1 holds, SPF and KZA were chosen because they had the most early votes. This is an uninspired hunt that tells me nothing about those two players. In a vacuum I can say they're probably not both partnered with Marmot, but that is not a thing I was worried about to begin with.

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What'd I miss?

idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.

Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?

Gut reaction is this is not a teammate interaction with Bo. Bo's recommendation looks like a real one, and Marmot's response uses a cutesy euphemism that makes it feel strained a bit, like he's trying to cozy up to Bo by being warm and friendly. As marmots are wont to do.

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Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday

If I read this as a genuine inquiry, it probably means that Marmot's team was not discussing the multiball discussion behind the scenes. What that means for us at this moment, idk. It seems likely that Marmot had already assumed/been aware that we're in a multiball game, so this question is being asked so that he can know how to modify his behavior. It may just mean that his team did not consider this an urgent topic of discussion behind the scenes. That might give us a few clues about who else could be in that chat, but it's too nebulous for me to spend time on here. I'll bookmark the idea though.

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I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF

I guess maybe there might be a teammate in here, but there absolutely does not need to be. A new thought occurs re: TSP and the thought I meandered around above: TSP introduced the multiball speculation out of the blue. If he is a member of The KC Mafia with Marmot, then the mulitball discussion is potentially a bigger-than-otherwise-would-be topic of conversation in their team chat. Marmot doesn't need to fish for info in the thread, because it is readily available in the chat. Maybe. This is a tenuous read, but I'll give it about a kilogram of consideration. TSP maybe kind of not teamed with Marmot.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

Does this interaction exist if Marmot/KZA are teammates? Marmot misreads KZA's read on me, KZA points it out, Marmot walks it back. My gut tells me this is a good look for KZA: it doesn't look like a staged interaction, and I don't think a misunderstanding of this nature is likely to happen between teammates. I guess it could if the suggestion is that Marmot misunderstood KZA's read on me because he just wasn't paying enough attention, and wanted to butt heads with a partner. I guess that could be an explanation. But I think it looks more like a mafioso (Marmot) who wanted to push a civilian, but misfired a bit.

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i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads

falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa

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kza

Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.

This post makes no sense and I don't know what to do with it. I don't see anything even a little suspicious about tutuu's post. Why did Marmot highlight it as "openwolfing"? What does he do with tutuu/hally moving forward? Does he do things? Let's find out.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

This post is weak and Marmot was rightly called out for it. But what does it say about KZA? I'm probably inclined to say it's another good look for him. There is still an argument for them to be teammates in this exchange though: the whole thing is designed to put distance between them. But I think it looks too soft for that. Marmot prods KZA with a misrepresentative question. KZA corrects him. Marmot bows and sings the praises of KZA as soon as he gets an answer. If they're partners, they'll probably be more theatrical about this whole thing. Instead, Marmot tries to kick it off and it just falls completely flat.

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What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Marmot does not ask nanook why he claims to be confirmed town. He asks about everyone else that he mentioned in this post, though. Including himself. Noted. Bad lalook for nanook.

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Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

This tells me nothing about Bo, but it exists.

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BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum

Ditto for this one. Actually maybe not. Hm. Big Brain Mafia World Champion Read Time:
At 10:21, Marmot responds to Bo with an innocuous question about his alignment. At 10:23, Marmot makes an observation about Bo's ISO. This leads us to assume, that Marmot responded to the initial Bo prompt by clicking on his ISO and reading his posts. I don't think that's Marmot's response Bo's initial prod if they are teammates. So good look for Bo. Thank you, be sure to like and subscribe for more fresh content like this.

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What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

I continue to have no trouble reading this as a teammate interaction.

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What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

Its in the order you asked

Oooooh, I thought that was a full sentence in which you yourself were not going to read the game at all until then, then said Idk, then randomly said "he's mafia"

This is going nowhere.

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I got a red peek on Nanook btw

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I am interested in investigating the following people more:
- Marmot
- SPF
- Dom
- Long Con
- Fingersplints

Got a comment on all of them?

I have null reads on Marmot, LC and Dom, and slight town reads on SPF and Fingersplints. I am interested in investigating them because...

- LC/Marmot's alignment sheds light on the alignment of other players. For example if LC is scum then you look great and the people that called LC town for no reason look really bad. Same with Marmot, SPF's pressure on him is telling if Marmot is scum.

- I find Dom to be a passionate and high energy player. While I don't think his absence from the thread is super AI, I would like to resolve him ASAP because I think I would work well with him if we're both town.

- Fingersplints is doing all the townie stuff that she usually does in other games, but she isn't as obvious town to me as she has been in both other games I've seen her town. I would like to understand why. This is the primary reason for reading her only lightly town and why I have her as a slot to look into.

- Out of all the players in my game, my read on SPF has varied/jumped around the most. I find half her content to be extremely townie and the other half to be insipid or misguided.

Has someone called me town for no reason?

I can't do much with this, but I don't think Alison is Marmot's partner just looking at this thread as a whole.

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This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.

JJJ trying to make this game look easy on page 2. I dislike.

This is a silly thing to object to and Jay has expressed annoyance with it in the thread (I think). I don't think any of this happens if they are partners. I'm basically locked in on my Jay town read anyway. So, cool.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

Okay yeah Alison is definitely not Marmot's teammate. This question is too pointed, and his response is too nervous.

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my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery

Ah yes, that is hot

Meh. This exists.

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actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

EXUST ME!? Punk ass rodent spitting hot garbage in this thread.

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my number one takeaway from this game so far is that i don't understand what "salad" means :P

"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?

that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in salad terms right now because of the particular gamestate we're in

i'm not at a point where i can confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out

there's nothing particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen

JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.

Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.

SPF town.

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ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

u havent realized ur power level yet have u?

My chief power is watching from a distance while everyone else dies

File these under Posts That Exist.

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OOOOH yea jpiccie smart pat pat jpiccie

yea bo sorry but jpic caught u

when?

Don't worry about it. It's too late for you

I do not think I can do much with this. I can see a teammate making this in response to fake-catching a partner. But it does not need to be that. And I awarded Bo some not-KC points earlier anyway.

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Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

I don't understand what you mean here.

Another exchange that exists, this time with TSP. Okay.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

Generic follow-up prod for tutuu. Meh.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.

This is a fairly limp response, but it doesn't look nervous or pressing. It's just kinda... there.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.

i wanna call sloonei mafia. then i saw he's voting spf. then i thought if he's mafia and spf is mafia and i was them i would powerwolf and townread each other coz its more fun and its what i would think two people perceived as spf and sloonei would do

I gotchu!

Are you a powerwoofer tutuu?

This can be teammates. It can also be Marmot not knowing what to du with tutuu.

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@AL_sama what do you have to say for yourself?

I don't think I need to or ca say anything when I did nothing at all

Well this is pretty evasive.

The original question doesn't lend itself to a simple answer.

Strawhenge not partnered with Marmot.

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[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

Confirmed scum. Get him outta here!

That's something a scum would say tbh

Then my vote is in the perfect spot.

These Bo/Marmot interactions are pointless and empty. I guess they can be partners now. But I'm still weighing those things I said earlier. But this whole exchange is just goofy.

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JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.

what?

It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.

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Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true

Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate

in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.

You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.

Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

This does not feel like a teammate interaction. Marmot feels like he's flinching a bit here. Decent look for TSP.

End of page 1, so I'll post these results now. This is taking me a while because baseball is on.

[Sloonei]

I could do Sloonei, though I tend to believe that if any suspicion of him is entertained it'd need to be the other team. I think he drove the Marmot elimination more than everyone else on the Marmot wagon save arguably one or two.

I did? I didn't ever really present a case, I just kinda fell onto Marmot because it felt right.

[Sloonei]

I just bottom-paged myself on the biggest post I've made all game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could do Sloonei, though I tend to believe that if any suspicion of him is entertained it'd need to be the other team. I think he drove the Marmot elimination more than everyone else on the Marmot wagon save arguably one or two.

I did? I didn't ever really present a case, I just kinda fell onto Marmot because it felt right.

I don't think Marmot was destroyed by a case, really. He was constricted by a collective POE effort into one of the premier wagons. Then at EOD when matters were close, you made it quite clear that Marmot was your choice and AL_sama was not your choice. Only Esooa was similarly adamant (and probably more adamant). Whatever credit others wish to take for the chop, I think you two were most responsible.

[tedxtr]

tfw you just spontaneously start shielding a wolf for no reason

there was nobody to shield them from

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It is my turn to do the ISO work that I'm sure others have already done before me.

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What'd I miss?

Numerous micro-interactions between various pairs and trios of players that could not be effectively summarized without writing a novel. You might be well advised to try catching up with ISOs instead of forcing yourself through the thread. If you want to do that though, you do you.

My tactic in large games has been to largely ignore everything that happens until halfway through Day 1 for my own sanity. That said, town has lost every such game. I'll start with SPF and KZA isos.


Why are you voting me and why do you have 100+ posts already?

If my memory of Early Day 1 holds, SPF and KZA were chosen because they had the most early votes. This is an uninspired hunt that tells me nothing about those two players. In a vacuum I can say they're probably not both partnered with Marmot, but that is not a thing I was worried about to begin with.

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What'd I miss?

idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.

Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?

Gut reaction is this is not a teammate interaction with Bo. Bo's recommendation looks like a real one, and Marmot's response uses a cutesy euphemism that makes it feel strained a bit, like he's trying to cozy up to Bo by being warm and friendly. As marmots are wont to do.

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Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday

If I read this as a genuine inquiry, it probably means that Marmot's team was not discussing the multiball discussion behind the scenes. What that means for us at this moment, idk. It seems likely that Marmot had already assumed/been aware that we're in a multiball game, so this question is being asked so that he can know how to modify his behavior. It may just mean that his team did not consider this an urgent topic of discussion behind the scenes. That might give us a few clues about who else could be in that chat, but it's too nebulous for me to spend time on here. I'll bookmark the idea though.

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I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF

I guess maybe there might be a teammate in here, but there absolutely does not need to be. A new thought occurs re: TSP and the thought I meandered around above: TSP introduced the multiball speculation out of the blue. If he is a member of The KC Mafia with Marmot, then the mulitball discussion is potentially a bigger-than-otherwise-would-be topic of conversation in their team chat. Marmot doesn't need to fish for info in the thread, because it is readily available in the chat. Maybe. This is a tenuous read, but I'll give it about a kilogram of consideration. TSP maybe kind of not teamed with Marmot.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

Does this interaction exist if Marmot/KZA are teammates? Marmot misreads KZA's read on me, KZA points it out, Marmot walks it back. My gut tells me this is a good look for KZA: it doesn't look like a staged interaction, and I don't think a misunderstanding of this nature is likely to happen between teammates. I guess it could if the suggestion is that Marmot misunderstood KZA's read on me because he just wasn't paying enough attention, and wanted to butt heads with a partner. I guess that could be an explanation. But I think it looks more like a mafioso (Marmot) who wanted to push a civilian, but misfired a bit.

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i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads

falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa

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kza

Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.

This post makes no sense and I don't know what to do with it. I don't see anything even a little suspicious about tutuu's post. Why did Marmot highlight it as "openwolfing"? What does he do with tutuu/hally moving forward? Does he do things? Let's find out.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

This post is weak and Marmot was rightly called out for it. But what does it say about KZA? I'm probably inclined to say it's another good look for him. There is still an argument for them to be teammates in this exchange though: the whole thing is designed to put distance between them. But I think it looks too soft for that. Marmot prods KZA with a misrepresentative question. KZA corrects him. Marmot bows and sings the praises of KZA as soon as he gets an answer. If they're partners, they'll probably be more theatrical about this whole thing. Instead, Marmot tries to kick it off and it just falls completely flat.

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What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Marmot does not ask nanook why he claims to be confirmed town. He asks about everyone else that he mentioned in this post, though. Including himself. Noted. Bad lalook for nanook.

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Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

This tells me nothing about Bo, but it exists.

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BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum

Ditto for this one. Actually maybe not. Hm. Big Brain Mafia World Champion Read Time:
At 10:21, Marmot responds to Bo with an innocuous question about his alignment. At 10:23, Marmot makes an observation about Bo's ISO. This leads us to assume, that Marmot responded to the initial Bo prompt by clicking on his ISO and reading his posts. I don't think that's Marmot's response Bo's initial prod if they are teammates. So good look for Bo. Thank you, be sure to like and subscribe for more fresh content like this.

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What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

I continue to have no trouble reading this as a teammate interaction.

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I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

Its in the order you asked

Oooooh, I thought that was a full sentence in which you yourself were not going to read the game at all until then, then said Idk, then randomly said "he's mafia"

This is going nowhere.

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I got a red peek on Nanook btw

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I am interested in investigating the following people more:
- Marmot
- SPF
- Dom
- Long Con
- Fingersplints

Got a comment on all of them?

I have null reads on Marmot, LC and Dom, and slight town reads on SPF and Fingersplints. I am interested in investigating them because...

- LC/Marmot's alignment sheds light on the alignment of other players. For example if LC is scum then you look great and the people that called LC town for no reason look really bad. Same with Marmot, SPF's pressure on him is telling if Marmot is scum.

- I find Dom to be a passionate and high energy player. While I don't think his absence from the thread is super AI, I would like to resolve him ASAP because I think I would work well with him if we're both town.

- Fingersplints is doing all the townie stuff that she usually does in other games, but she isn't as obvious town to me as she has been in both other games I've seen her town. I would like to understand why. This is the primary reason for reading her only lightly town and why I have her as a slot to look into.

- Out of all the players in my game, my read on SPF has varied/jumped around the most. I find half her content to be extremely townie and the other half to be insipid or misguided.

Has someone called me town for no reason?

I can't do much with this, but I don't think Alison is Marmot's partner just looking at this thread as a whole.

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This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.

JJJ trying to make this game look easy on page 2. I dislike.

This is a silly thing to object to and Jay has expressed annoyance with it in the thread (I think). I don't think any of this happens if they are partners. I'm basically locked in on my Jay town read anyway. So, cool.

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@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

Okay yeah Alison is definitely not Marmot's teammate. This question is too pointed, and his response is too nervous.

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my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery

Ah yes, that is hot

Meh. This exists.

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actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

EXUST ME!? Punk ass rodent spitting hot garbage in this thread.

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my number one takeaway from this game so far is that i don't understand what "salad" means :P

"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?

that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in salad terms right now because of the particular gamestate we're in

i'm not at a point where i can confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out

there's nothing particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen

JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.

Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.

SPF town.

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ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

u havent realized ur power level yet have u?

My chief power is watching from a distance while everyone else dies

File these under Posts That Exist.

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OOOOH yea jpiccie smart pat pat jpiccie

yea bo sorry but jpic caught u

when?

Don't worry about it. It's too late for you

I do not think I can do much with this. I can see a teammate making this in response to fake-catching a partner. But it does not need to be that. And I awarded Bo some not-KC points earlier anyway.

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Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

I don't understand what you mean here.

Another exchange that exists, this time with TSP. Okay.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

Generic follow-up prod for tutuu. Meh.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.

This is a fairly limp response, but it doesn't look nervous or pressing. It's just kinda... there.

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i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.

i wanna call sloonei mafia. then i saw he's voting spf. then i thought if he's mafia and spf is mafia and i was them i would powerwolf and townread each other coz its more fun and its what i would think two people perceived as spf and sloonei would do

I gotchu!

Are you a powerwoofer tutuu?

This can be teammates. It can also be Marmot not knowing what to du with tutuu.

Spoiler: show

@AL_sama what do you have to say for yourself?

I don't think I need to or ca say anything when I did nothing at all

Well this is pretty evasive.

The original question doesn't lend itself to a simple answer.

Strawhenge not partnered with Marmot.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

Confirmed scum. Get him outta here!

That's something a scum would say tbh

Then my vote is in the perfect spot.

These Bo/Marmot interactions are pointless and empty. I guess they can be partners now. But I'm still weighing those things I said earlier. But this whole exchange is just goofy.

Spoiler: show

JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.

what?

It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.

Spoiler: show

Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true

Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate

in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.

You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.

Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

This does not feel like a teammate interaction. Marmot feels like he's flinching a bit here. Decent look for TSP.

End of page 1, so I'll post these results now. This is taking me a while because baseball is on.

[Hally]

tfw you just spontaneously start shielding a wolf for no reason

there was nobody to shield them from

wat

[Sloonei]

I could do Sloonei, though I tend to believe that if any suspicion of him is entertained it'd need to be the other team. I think he drove the Marmot elimination more than everyone else on the Marmot wagon save arguably one or two.

I did? I didn't ever really present a case, I just kinda fell onto Marmot because it felt right.

I don't think Marmot was destroyed by a case, really. He was constricted by a collective POE effort into one of the premier wagons. Then at EOD when matters were close, you made it quite clear that Marmot was your choice and AL_sama was not your choice. Only Esooa was similarly adamant (and probably more adamant). Whatever credit others wish to take for the chop, I think you two were most responsible.

Sweet.

[Hally]

you kept saying nobody had a good reason to suspect marmot. wdym “no one to shield him from”

[Sloonei]

I never actually looked at the poll at EoD. I just voted for Marmot and then announced my preference.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Marmot and TonyStarkPrime

From Marmot

Spoiler: show

I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF

What'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

I don't understand what you mean here.

Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true

Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate

in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.

You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.

Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

All of them please.

How would you rank those 9 names?

I can't rank them because I have no read on several of them, but the ones that I do have input on:


Nanook - slight scum
tutuu - slight scum
TSP - town

marmot, when you get the chance, do you mind quickly breaking down your reads for me? just hearing your view of the game rn would be helpful for me

Sure. I'm about to go to bed, but here's where I'm at.

I think some of the players who are steering the thread and maintaining a cohesive, team-oriented approach are town. This includes JJJ and Sloonei. There are probably other such active players that I haven't had the chance to interact with, but these two are standouts.

Tutuu has been high activity, but low commitment to her reads, I don't think there's much sincerity behind it. I can dig into it tomorrow to see if I still feel that way.

I've already explained my read of you. Some good posts. One icky post.

Nanook is in a slightly similar boat, one post that I didn't care for, but overall has been fine. I expressed suspicion of him earlier, but when I think about it, I'd expect more slanking from him as mafia.

TSP and Bo I think are town due to volume and content. Bo in particular seems extremely comfortable and fluid here to an extent that I've never seen from himn, and he's been the Day 1 yeet in multiple recent games.


These are the players that have stood out to me thus far. Thanks for asking, this was a useful exercise for me too

Not only am I mafia, but I am on all of the mafia teams.

@TonyStarkPrime this sounds like Simone Gerhardt

Y’ain’t wrong

What is this?

[VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

It is both.

I've seen reasons for both Ted and TSP to be town. Al on the other hand posted an awkward readlist yesterday and not much since then.


If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

What about Al?

who town reads odd and why? i think his iso is kind of atrocious but i dunno if it’s like... twtbaw or something

Alison has shielded him hard. He's gotten less strong support from Mac, Nanook, Sloonei, and I think a couple others.

@Alison @MacDougall @Sloonei @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why?

His early Day 0/1 reads were silly and outrageous to the point that I think a wolf would be more conscious about trying to fit in than he was being.

have you ever heard the legend of chop chop the wolf

There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

A lot of this is rather bland, but I highlight one thing that stands out (actually the entire exchange ending with the orange bits). Tony rendered an accusation upon Marmot that's pretty nuanced and Tony-like, and Marmot's answer has a tone of acquiescence that doesn't strike me as the stuff of teammates. It reads like someone treading carefully in the face of suspicion from a source they may not have anticipated.

The very last post there could just tell the whole story on its own too for those willing to brave the wifom. I probably am willing.

From TonyStarkPrime

Spoiler: show

A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at

Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday

no one's step forward and declared otherwise so I'm currently leaning "we'll know when we know"

Hesistate is perhaps bad word choice. I think you've been reticent more than I recall. Your views on tutuu (and your interaction on the subject with bo) and marmot seem weird

What are your own views on tutuu and Marmot? What were they when you initially stated your suspicion of me?

I had no read on marmot and thought it was weird that you picked up on (nanook?s) suspicion. I have a light TR on tutuu and did at that time as well, same as you.

Hell, vote:marmot

Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

wolf I guess

im not sure if me and marmot have ever been t/t actually, at least since I returned

1. Falcon - no
2. Tedextr - yes
3. Nanook - yes but lol
4. Odd - no cause shield
5. Sloonei - no
6. Esooa - no
7. Strawhenge - maybe?
8. JaggedJimmyJay - no
9. Staypositivefriend - no (don’t do it)
10. KZA - no but lol
11. MacDougall - no
12. Dom - probably not but I want to
13. Marmot - yes but we shouldn’t
14. TSP - no
15. Long Con - yes but we shouldn’t
16. Fingersplints - probably not idk
17. Tutuu - no
18. JPIC - yes but we shouldn’t
19. Michelle - yes
20. Alison -no
21. BoKnows -no
22. Al Sama -yes but D1 shield


So one of those like two names idk I’m starting to agree with tutuu on the gamestate

Why are there three "yes but we shouldn't" names in there?

JPIC’s town, LC’s town, Marmot is maybe a wolf but probably should be given time to fall into familiar patterns / start solving

@TonyStarkPrime why ted

I'd prefer to chop Ted over Marmot given that I feel that I have a better idea of Marmot's patterns and I think Marmot has done more marginally towny things. I don't really care about al sama.

The tsp poe:

2. Tedextr
9. Staypositivefriend
10. KZA
12. Dom
13. Marmot
15. Long Con
19. Michelle
21. BoKnows
22. Al Sama

all wolves are included in these nine names and maybe JPIC.

TSP's ordered poe:

1) long con
2) Bo
3) SPF
4) Michelle
5) KZA
6) Marmot
7) Al Sama
8) Ted

unr: dom

Marmot has moved up one slot in the official tsp ranked poe.

i dislike this POE because i am in it

I dislike that this is your first post in an hour and a half

Not everyone can 400 post on Day 1 and post at a higher frequency than that

Bo I liked this particular post from marmot, which Jay thinks (correctly) has no reason to exist

i dislike this POE because i am in it

I dislike that this is your first post in an hour and a half

Not everyone can 400 post on Day 1 and post at a higher frequency than that

Bo I liked this particular post from marmot, which Jay thinks (correctly) has no reason to exist

Please connect the dots to complete the logic. Why do you like it?

This post and the next few fit into my preconceived notion of what town Marmot should be like. If Marmot were a wolf, why would he post something like this? It could be to defend SPF or something, or to defend himself from a perceived shot, but no. Marmot is a high poster who doesn't often face accusations of slanking. It appears to be a general feeling and not one that a wolf would find necessary to share with the class.

but also yes marmot claim

might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

wolfy as fuck

you just said al sama was town and i say marmot is town so now what

Well this is a hot mess. It's almost humorous how this progresses from "sure, whatever" to "okay cool" to "oh. well? uh" to "OH my." to "YIKES"

Tony could not have made himself look worse at EOD. Ironically it's kinda similar to Strawhenge in that one can argue "why defend Marmot when he's going over", and that's valid to a point. I do think Tony is strictly worse here than Straw was, and he is going to have to contend with that. Now it needs to be made clear that this isn't all of Tony's Marmot-related posts. Many of them are contained in the previous spoiler, and those generally work to Tony's credit.

So with the rest of this it's a classic case of "Is Tony a blatant-ass teammate, or did he engage in severe derping at a very unfortunate time?"

I want to answer with the latter. That he went after Strawhenge as a pro-Marmot motion makes that harder for me. It is just such a bad take in my view. Aaaaaauuuuugggggggghhhhhhhh

@MacDougall you seemed assured that they're not teammed, so it'd be swell to get your specific perspective. With a gun to my head I call Tony a Not Kansas City Mafia. I do not claim confdience.

[tedxtr]

you kept saying nobody had a good reason to suspect marmot. wdym “no one to shield him from”

that was ages after i've initially iso'd them randomly

[Sloonei]

I am pausing the Marmot ISO because it's gorgeous outside and I don't want to miss out on that lovely weather.

[Hally]

you kept saying nobody had a good reason to suspect marmot. wdym “no one to shield him from”

that was ages after i've initially iso'd them randomly

that doesn’t make it better

[Sloonei]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

[Justplayingitcool]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

[tedxtr]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

that 2 years old read

and with that one i stuck throughout the entirety of the push, exactly like i said earlier in some other post that i would've stuck to it

[Sloonei]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

[Sloonei]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

that 2 years old read

and with that one i stuck throughout the entirety of the push, exactly like i said earlier in some other post that i would've stuck to it

I'm just reporting the facts on this program. I'm offering no read of the present.

[Justplayingitcool]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

If you're town it'd be helpful if you did as you recently wolfed with him.

[Hally]

ted is a better wolf now than he was two years ago

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I enjoyed part 1 of Sloonei's big Marmot review. I already don't think Sloonei is Team Marmot, so it doesn't tell me much about Sloonei -- but it's still insightful work.

Spoiler: show

actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

EXUST ME!? Punk ass rodent spitting hot garbage in this thread.

[tedxtr]

ted is a better wolf now than he was two years ago

idk i kinda slapped in the GoC 2019

[Sloonei]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

If you're town it'd be helpful if you did as you recently wolfed with him.

To be honest, we didn’t try at all in this year’s GoC. It was obvious pretty early on that we had no chance. I didn’t pay attention to what ted was doing and I hardly cared about what I was doing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I accidentally night killed my own teammate in GOC 2019.

[Sloonei]

ted is a better wolf now than he was two years ago

idk i kinda slapped in the GoC 2019

Yeah, ted was a monster on in that game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've been preemptively annoyed at the possibility of making the 1,000 list in this game, but Hally will probably beat me to it.

Kill me.

[Long Con]

I've been preemptively annoyed at the possibility of making the 1,000 list in this game, but Hally will probably beat me to it.

Kill me.

This is a goal you have stated you wish to achieve as a wolf, isn't it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've been preemptively annoyed at the possibility of making the 1,000 list in this game, but Hally will probably beat me to it.

Kill me.

This is a goal you have stated you wish to achieve as a wolf, isn't it?

I said I don’t want to. I’m not trying to spam.

[BoKnows]

I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

[Long Con]

I've been preemptively annoyed at the possibility of making the 1,000 list in this game, but Hally will probably beat me to it.

Kill me.

This is a goal you have stated you wish to achieve as a wolf, isn't it?

I said I don’t want to. I’m not trying to spam.

No, no spam. Still over halfway there before Day 2. Maybe you'll reach 2500 posts by Day 6!

[TonyStarkPrime]

ted is a better wolf now than he was two years ago

idk i kinda slapped in the GoC 2019

Yeah you killed it

[TonyStarkPrime]

JJJ referring to himself in the third person is sus

He is legion, for they are many.

okay mark and luke

It’s in Matthew too

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like 8:31 or something

[TonyStarkPrime]

Update: I made that up

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP gonna fail his New Testament exegesis class

[Hally]

I've been preemptively annoyed at the possibility of making the 1,000 list in this game, but Hally will probably beat me to it.

Kill me.

i better not

[falcon45ca]

I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

It better actually make sense, cuz there's a fine line between playing loose carefree town & playing IDGAF wolf.

[Alison]

I townread Sloonei's ISO of Marmot.

[BoKnows]

I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

It better actually make sense, cuz there's a fine line between playing loose carefree town & playing IDGAF wolf.

Pie charts are coming falcon. This is the best way to make myself useful IMO

[falcon45ca]

I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

It better actually make sense, cuz there's a fine line between playing loose carefree town & playing IDGAF wolf.

Pie charts are coming falcon. This is the best way to make myself useful IMO

Not gonna lie, I've never seen you piechart before, and I'm pretty excited.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some general sentiments I wish to promote in case I drop dead:

This game has been chugging along nicely in a pro-civilian direction, and that's a credit to the efforts of many people. However, I do feel as though this thread has often been one or two steps away from derailing, perhaps sometimes due to deliberate efforts by wrongdoers but not necessarily in every instance. It has been my charge to keep the ship afloat and to keep the atmosphere of this thread appropriate for level heads and productive hunting. If I am dead, the primary agent behind that effort will be gone.

With that in mind: @MacDougall, @Alison, @falcon45ca, and @Esooa -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, please consider how your own behavior can influence that climate. Some players may wish to incite madness, innocently or not, but each of you has a role to play in ensuring that cannot be successful. The most obvious means toward achieving that is to reign in the instincts you may feel to present yourself as authoritarian or as a military commander. This can foster resentment in others which then itself leads to inordinate paranoia and unwillingness to cooperate. This doesn't mean you must be democratic, but it does mean you must treat everyone in the game, in spirit, the way that you would treat them outside the game -- including your suspects. I do not intend this as a lecture, and I have no doubt y'all can be effective in this way. I am saying it anyway because I will not be able to say it when I am dead, and it would be frustrating to watch things devolve to a less promising state for no good reason when I am a corpse. I choose each of you because I think these notions apply more directly to you.

@Sloonei, @staypositivefriend, and @Hally -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, I see you as the next line of defense of sanity and rationality. By that I mean that you will carry yourselves with aplomb, but you will also remain vigilantly skeptical when it is reasonable to be vigilantly skeptical. Each of you plays your own way, and you do so very well. I do think though that if I am dead, there will still be a solving void left where I stood. I think each of you could easily fill that void straightaway, especially if you work together to do so. Sloonei, this is especially important for you, because if I am to die any time soon, I will have done so without leaving a clear, irrefutable strong town read on you. That will not put you in a position you would prefer. You'll have to cover that ground on your own with accelerated solving.

@Strawhenge and @fingersplints -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, you are in decent shape for the time being. Strawhenge especially enjoys a position of broad trust, and fingersplints is at least given decent space to work without constant suspicions. Be aware though that under the circumstances, there's a very good chance each of you will outlive most or all of the people most dedicated to promoting your innocence. And if/when that happens, you will be magnets for b/s. You'll need to be ready for that, and also ready to engage your engines with the most reasonably assertive hunt you can manage. Because you'd be in charge, in a worst- or bad-case scenario, with no shortage of enemies trying to capitalize on your rustiness.

For everyone else, keep the pedal to the metal and we'll be just fine. Half or maybe even most of you ought to be civilians in a multiple-mafia-teams world, and in the end the game may fall to you. That encourages me, because I know the civilians among you will play to win.

Thanks for listening to my irritating pseudo-legacy post. I make it because I think you're all super and respect what you offer.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If I see a pie chart in this thread I swear to my mafia lord and savior

[Justplayingitcool]

In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

If you're town it'd be helpful if you did as you recently wolfed with him.

To be honest, we didn’t try at all in this year’s GoC. It was obvious pretty early on that we had no chance. I didn’t pay attention to what ted was doing and I hardly cared about what I was doing.

Well that’s depressing

[Justplayingitcool]

I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

It better actually make sense, cuz there's a fine line between playing loose carefree town & playing IDGAF wolf.

Pie charts are coming falcon. This is the best way to make myself useful IMO

This better be good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I, for one, am quite excited about pie charts.

[BoKnows]

An Analysis of Marmot's Mentions

Earlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.

I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else

It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.

Complete Overview

► Show Spoiler

Individual Breakdown
*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null

► Show Spoiler

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well that's fun! Thanks Bo. I laughed when ted stood out again.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well that's fun! Thanks Bo. I laughed when ted stood out again.

To be clear: highest rate of town reads from Marmot (albeit with a small sample size).

[Justplayingitcool]

Ok that was good