The Molly Maguires Mafia (ENDGAME)

[DrWilgy]

@112 come solve the game im beggin you

No

[DrWilgy]

iaafr and Mac are both town probably.

I suppose, but I don't have to like it.

[DrWilgy]

TMI reads early are rarely accurate ngl.

It's something I've actually been cutting from my scumhunting until some flips have been had.

Mostly because I've had a really bad run of getting it wrong lmao

I've been mocking attempted TMI reads since Alice tunneled me saying I had TMI on correct reads as she was wolf siding as town in the most egotistic way possible.

TMI reads are mafia at it's basest though. Who knows too much?

[DrWilgy]

I'm vibin with the dead player at this point. Big Sad.

[Lime Coke]

After a bit of time to think it over, I'm sure I can keep Mac as a confident townread. His line of reading and bringing up posts felt legit, he wasn't just pulling posts to scumread he was bringing them up and giving instant opinions on them as he's trying to solve.

[Luckbox Inc]

it's open night I'm learning?

That's really unfortunate because I sort of could have been posting today....still day off even though I've spent like 5 hours at work and had lunch with my boss

it's also my birthday-- dined on gourmet pizza and drinking french champagne.

i also have a work laptop for the first time in my life to allow me to work from home for free even easier.

the potential drama that called me away last night never ensued-- and that's about it for my update-- I've read very little from when i last posted.

[Luckbox Inc]

arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

[EnderWiggin]

It might be Wilgy/Alison actually.

[EnderWiggin]

Esooa treatment of Luckbox:

Spoiler: show

ender Wiggin is town because he's not trying to act villagery and fake his posts are just things that he thinks

could be out leveling myself on this read, because I think he does have some scummy posts, but town

Alison is town just for having consistently good thoughts that are relevant. I don't care to explain tbh but it's facts

Mac is probably town because of the way he's playing too but I don't care to explain that either

LC can be town sure mostly sheeping, I never care to read him much day 1

luckbox if he's a wolf is bussing someone. And he's currently wolf reading only people I think are town so....

wolves are Kami 112

I've decided it's not luckbox

yeah sheeping alison onto luckbox is

kind of what i wish i did atp

i just kinda liked some stuff i saw from him and he had the legit 65h workweek alibi for why he didnt scruitinze alison like alison seemed to expect

im also not sure i agree with "you always wolfread me" sentiments as actually >rand w but maybe it is, havent really kept track

tgbh I'm still 100% fine with the Kami lynch who care she flipped town, I think Luckbox still is town more likely than not and more likely than I would be thinking Kami is town rn unless Luck exactly is a wolf

ok what's going to happen tonight?

I'm supposed to go to the casino so probably missing/on phone for EoD....and I apologize for sucking in advance.

I'd vote Mac, LC or 112 (who I have seen literally 0 posts from) and no one else if night were right now

iifar I have as a villager

Alison I do sort of hope is a villager basically for the exact same post that you liked on me.

Esooa seems like she could be a wolf.

This is only my second game with LC and the vote on me just now seems "opportunistic"-- and I also forget everything about him from my first game other than that he went emo and got modkilled-- so I have no clue what to be looking for there.

Ender I've still never seen wolf and have also never even read a Ender wolf post-- so he's due to be a wolf.

Kami I'll guess is a villager.

112 I've seen 0 posts from. Still reading..on page 4 or 5 but I can powerskim to catch up fully.

but I thought for what he had read that the LC read was reasonable, that if Luckbox is a wolf he probably always includes his wolf partner in the 3 in the first post, meaning 112 was a better vote because LC is town, and I believed too Mac was town (still think probably he is), so I didn't want to vote Luckbox really ever because 112 is just straight up better

Luckbox/Ender I guess is possible but it's hard to judge because idk what Luckbox is even aware of, like how likely he thinks it is Ender would be voted. The read on Ender seems weird but he didn't say he'd vote him so I think it's just a weird luckbox post which he has a lot of

the reason I said I'd just call Luckbox town earlier though was cause I think his read on me irt Kami was good, less sure now on that though mostly cause the way he actually handled it seems a bit awkard

Kami is probably town for leaping to the conclusion that it was theater.

Peaceing out for now.

not a read I should need to explain at all but Alisons early reads are all fine

iaafr town, luckbox wolfy but not going to hold onto that at all, Mac towny, Ender wolfy

the way she interacts with all of them is what I'd expect

Super boring read to explain but haha I didn't type enough words for people to be happy so I'll do that now cause why not

but maybe it is luckbox tbh true

luckbox/ender/Wilgy my PoE righ tnow and I'm fine with it

Mac call me town for towning luckbox for good reasons and pushing 112

Here's how Esooa goes over luckbox. Note the trend downwards as he becomes scumread.

Luckbox treatment of Esooa:

Spoiler: show

I'm probably going to have to read but Esooa's approach to Kami-- especially if she said she can't read Kami when I definitely remember her literally teaching me how to read Kami-- is weird/wolfy

iifar I have as a villager

Alison I do sort of hope is a villager basically for the exact same post that you liked on me.

Esooa seems like she could be a wolf.

This is only my second game with LC and the vote on me just now seems "opportunistic"-- and I also forget everything about him from my first game other than that he went emo and got modkilled-- so I have no clue what to be looking for there.

Ender I've still never seen wolf and have also never even read a Ender wolf post-- so he's due to be a wolf.

Kami I'll guess is a villager.

112 I've seen 0 posts from. Still reading..on page 4 or 5 but I can powerskim to catch up fully.

I had to go to work to deal with potential drama with a guest that I'm waiting to materialize so on phone now and potentially missing eod.

I don't think voting esooa is a good idea fwiw but she can definitely be a wolf.

Has Esooa as wolfy in all outed reads on her but never pushes her.

These are both standard displays of how Esooa/Luckbox treat partners.

Ex: Ice Cream Mafia (Esooa), Vig 10er CFC Subforum (Luckbox), other games. There is the exception that Esooa will aggressively bus if she either thinks that the partner is making things too obvious or not working well with her. Which is not what I'd expect from Luckbox.

Luckbox often partially busses teammates but in a distancing way rather than a bussing way. It's very rare that he doesn't sus at least one of his partners for no reason.

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison

That's my Esooa/Luckbox thing.

[EnderWiggin]

That was a pathetic case but I have work to do and wanted to put that out there.

[Luckbox Inc]

@Alison

That's my Esooa/Luckbox thing.

realistically I'd probably never push Esooa on D1 even if I was lie 65% sure she was a wolf (which is probably as high as I could possibly get).

[Alison]

Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

[EnderWiggin]

Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

I will say this:
I'm not as against this as I thought I was. Mostly because I agree with Alison's thoughts about the catchup.

[iaafr]

arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

still had issues with your first 2 posts and still thought the nature of how you townread kami might've been TMI

but ive had lots of doubt on both those two points and think its probably more likely ender/wilgy now, hence the maaaaybe (3rd in poe)

that's it for me personally

in terms of why it's consensus between mac/me/esooa/LC in general, p much just poe unless youd like to challenge the position of one of us

[iaafr]

arent we all agreeing its just like ender/wilgy maaaaybe luckbox unless somebodys playing like a god rn

may I ask how I became a maaaaybe?

still had issues with your first 2 posts and still thought the nature of how you townread kami might've been TMI

but ive had lots of doubt on both those two points and think its probably more likely ender/wilgy now, hence the maaaaybe (3rd in poe)

that's it for me personally

in terms of why it's consensus between mac/me/esooa/LC in general, p much just poe unless youd like to challenge the position of one of us

forgot to put alison in the names of at the bottom list

[EnderWiggin]

Heyo, iaafr.

Can you take me through the process that took you from Ender protection squad to Ender hunting squad?

[iaafr]

sup

basically esooa/mac/alison's collective confidence on you and the fact that im starting to townread them more

my mind is more open than it seems but i kinda wanna procrastinate re-eval till after the nk flip

[EnderWiggin]

Mac's confidence on me is lol-tier because he basically does that every game until I prove myself completely town.

[EnderWiggin]

Funnily enough the only times I recall him getting me as town early when he's wolf and TMIs me.

[MacDougall]

dude I did a huge catch up and was very fair minded, and in this game I'm not alone so trying to discredit me based on past games is lame

[EnderWiggin]

dude I did a huge catch up and was very fair minded, and in this game I'm not alone so trying to discredit me based on past games is lame

You were very fair, I will agree.

Sorry. I'm just sitting here annoyed. I feel like everything I've done to try and solve for town has been boiled down to being sus somehow and it's not a you thing. Every time people start townreading me and I feel like I can start actually just doing things without having to defend myself I end up being sussed again.

And it's more a thing from most of the players so far.

That specific poke at you just because you like sussing me was unwarranted.

[iaafr]

Alright

Quarter caught up.

Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.

Esooa and Alison scum leans.

Not sure what to think on Iaafr.

Lime Coke is town via Ender TMI.

ok i just read this post

unfortunately "not sure what to think" on me in particular (with lack of detail) is something ive experienced empirically at a >>rand rate from scum so this has to die immediately regardless

[iaafr]

I didn't think ender was wolfy at all early on

can anybody tell me what was wolfy from him at that point? felt like I was reading a diff thread

@iaafr @MacDougall

What are you 2 seeing in Ender that's making him scummy?

What am I, chopped liver?

I remembered him scumreading you not the other way around for some reason.

I can ask you why you find him scummy as well then.

We both scumread each other.

I find Ender scummy because he made an excuse for not following up his entrance post in a threadstate where it is unnatural to feel like you would need such an excuse, as well as trying to parrot my tone/style of engagement and project audacity.

like this was it? for saying he was playing dnd and dropping an rvs vote? just never felt it

Idk this is giving me theater vibes

I disagree with theater vibes.

Alison Mac could be T/W based on this early exchange. If it is T/W, I'd say Alison is the Wolf.

I'm at the point where we are transitioning out of RVS it seems.

alisons reaction to your pressure actually like

made her look better in my eyes

ive been unsure and basically just waiting on something to push me on actually scumreading someone between alison and ender because ive kinda wanted there to be a wolf there but have felt neither wolfread to be fully compelling

if you say alisons towny i can kind of see it but totally

How did the Mac Alison spat make Alison look better? This has the opposite effect for me.

Alright

Quarter caught up.

Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.

Esooa and Alison scum leans.

Not sure what to think on Iaafr.

Lime Coke is town via Ender TMI.

to be fair though thats the thing i hate most about the catchup and the rest is like

not that bad imo?

[iaafr]

whoops i never cleared the top 2 multiquotes

true classic mu fuckups imported to the syndicate

[iaafr]

well it is kinda bad how he kinda shades all of ender (unless im misunderstanding "Ender's posts seem *TOO* there if that makes sense. Agenda vibes > hunting vibes.") + alison + esooa and doesnt even like

townlean me by poe


kinda strikes me as fake and openpoe?

[iaafr]

i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

[EnderWiggin]

i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

[iaafr]

i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

whatre your thoughts on the wilgy catchup + if wilgys a wolf who is the most likely partner fypov

[iaafr]

It might be Wilgy/Alison actually.

oh wait sry forgot this post existed

but elaborate on this perception pls

[EnderWiggin]

i can see how it looks a lot worse from v!alison perspective and i dont have super strong reasons to doubt v!alison so


hey ender what things do you find most AI about alison rn

I thought the original start was bad but there have been solid posts from her since then. Even in ones that sussed me there's a few that looked good. There was one post I agreed with that I think I quoted during Day phase

whatre your thoughts on the wilgy catchup + if wilgys a wolf who is the most likely partner fypov

I didn't like the Wilgy catchup. I still like my Luckbox/Esooa theory though.

But if it's Wilgy then Esooa gets insta-cleared. It MIGHT be Luckbox still but kinda weird. It's more likely Alison or maybe IAAFR. (I have been wooed by Mac's worldview yes.)

[leetic]

@Alison
@DrWilgy
@EnderWiggin
@Esooa
@iaafr
@Lime Coke
@Luckbox Inc
@MacDougall

At the night in Girardville, Jack Kehoe returned to his tavern. However, when he went there he was not alone...

"I thought we were friends!"

"Sorry Jack, but I was part of the Pinkerton Detective Agency all along! I almost have enough evidence to hang the lot of you Molly Maguires, but without you in the way, it would be easier!"

In the night, a single gunshot was heard. Most assumed it was the sound of dynamite being used in the mines, but when the Molly Maguires arrived in the tavern before the long day of mining ahead, they were horrified:

You are John "Black Jack" Kehoe! Originally from County Wicklow to the south of Dublin, you moved to Girardville as a kid. You would eventually become a prominent figure in the local Irish community, being selected as the delegate from the Schuylkill County branch of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, and eventually you opened up a tavern (one that's still run by your descendants to this day), which was unheard of for Irish people to accomplish in the region at that time. Despite this, you never forgot your days in the mines, and your tavern became a congregation point for the Molly Maguires. You eventually gained a reputation as the "King" of the Molly Maguires which led to your execution, but you were posthumously pardoned by the government of Pennsylvania in 1979 (over 100 years after your execution) thanks to the efforts of your descendants. You are one of the Molly Maguires and win when the moles from the Pinkerton Detective Agency are rooted out and eliminated.

Spoiler: show

iaafr was killed. He was John "Black Jack" Kehoe, one of the Molly Maguires.

Meanwhile, the people in charge of the Reading Railroad rejoiced. They had taken down the King of the Molly Maguires! Meanwhile, they paid a few local newspapers in order to blame the killings on the Mollies, but the Mollies weren't convinced. Still, they realized that the fight for their lives was getting more intense, and if they couldn't put a stop to their boss's plans, they would all end up like Kehoe.

It is now D2. You have 48 hours to hang someone. Phase ends on 11 PM on the 16th, eastern time.

[EnderWiggin]

Wait what.

[EnderWiggin]

Mac is cleared forever lmao.

[MacDougall]

hmmmm damn

[MacDougall]

*shakes fist* damn you iaafr

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

I guess I'm okay with this train for now.

Is there a hammer in this game?

[Alison]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

No you

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Turbo Wilgy tomorrow please, his catchup is garbage. Ender's case is unconvincing but I think he is slightly townie for making it. Don't take him out of the POE but put him at the top of it.

I will say this:
I'm not as against this as I thought I was. Mostly because I agree with Alison's thoughts about the catchup.

Cool, at least I can stop 1/3rd of the way through. What's the point if you aren't going to let me finish.

Good to know Alison would declare my catch-up Garbo without engaging me.

[EnderWiggin]

Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

[DrWilgy]

Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

[EnderWiggin]

Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

I have Esooa/Luckbox but I'm considering.

Also never a shit question to get worldview.

If that's your lean, why the vote on Mac, just because he voted you?

[DrWilgy]

Yup

[Esooa]

is it literally ever not one of Mac or Allison after that

[Lime Coke]

I'm honestly thinking it's just Wilgy/Luckbox here. I have a hard time believing it's anyone else.

[MacDougall]

I'm honestly thinking it's just Wilgy/Luckbox here. I have a hard time believing it's anyone else.

really? that's a pretty unusual take from you ngl... you're usually quite provocative and aggro at pushing people I don't find scummy lol

[MacDougall]

is it literally ever not one of Mac or Allison after that

I got the impression from the kill it wouldn't make sense to have been you or Ender given the POE that I created... why Alison?

[MacDougall]

Okay, Wilgy, if you're town:

What's the current most likely team?

Hmm...

You and Esooa?

Idk, pretty shit question when I said just a moment ago that I'm only 1/3 of the way caught up.

Hbu? What do you think?

Wilt thou bless us with a full catch up?