GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

I think I'm only staying up at 1:30 am to finish listening to a podcast

At least it's good enough to keep me interested.

Damn I think I'm not paying attention enough

[Phil and Gloria]

Mac if you tunnel LP I will townread you.

this reminds me of your wolf game we just lost tbh

[alexa]

@Alison what are your concerns on mac rn?

[Creature]

I'm at EnderWiggin and Seanzie as mafia

Am I missing something?

[Guillotine]

why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

I agree

[ilario]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

[nutella]

I mean I think probably nutella is not town and is trying to get creature chopped and therefore we can’t trust what nutella says (?)

Thank you very cool

Creature could improve but I really felt like Alison simply caught him

[Phil and Gloria]

@nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

[nutella]

Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

[Guillotine]

Rolecop is just not a Town role people. Alexa basically claiming Mafia.

Well that’s not true. Ive see town role cops here, Nanook has incorporated them in the past as well.

[Urist]

wait did someone claim cop or something?

[Creature]

Mac if you tunnel LP I will townread you.

this reminds me of your wolf game we just lost tbh

[nutella]

@nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

Idk just forming a bloc in my mind with some of their views that I don't vibe with but maybe it's nothing

You and 112 both gave me paranoia of potential power wolfing

[alexa]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

[Creature]

wait did someone claim cop or something?

It's pretty vague and I don't think we should push it further because of soup kill

Try to read nutella on your own

[Guillotine]

The more I read on- and I am going to try to stay on top of things on D1- but I have 300 MB of Wi-Fi left on this stupid ship and need to be selective with how long I spend on here.

So.

If anyone desperately needs pressing reads from me, @ me.

For now. Based on up to pg5, Guillo is not town.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Also I am a bird. Cuhcaw

I wipe my ass with your vote

[Urist]

i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

[Sloonei]

Linearpoint maf

[Phil and Gloria]

sorry my reception is fucked

[Urist]

Linearpoint maf

see? i think it and he says it

[Sloonei]

i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

[Creature]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

[hollowkatt]

I either wanna kill Scotty or ignore my instincts entirely and towncore him... fellow towncore what do?

@hollowkatt @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca

idc have another beer and flip a coin, then do whatever you want.

[Phil and Gloria]

@nutella why r u scumreading 112 and illario?

Idk just forming a bloc in my mind with some of their views that I don't vibe with but maybe it's nothing

You and 112 both gave me paranoia of potential power wolfing

aka bs ... cool

[Guillotine]

i do wish this hadn't happened and alexa had kept it to herself because now wolves might be able to narrow down the kind of role i have but ah well

i think it's likely enough she just didnt realize roles and alignment were likely independent of each other

Alexa don't make those kinds of mistakes.

But maybe I should stop holding her to higher standards than everyone else now that I think about it.

WHAT?????

LMAO IVE MESSED UP AS PR LIKE EVERY GAME

if this is a serious read please give proof you mean it/have witnessed it

@Guillotine

Yah let me materialize deleted dead and scum chats, please hold.

hai guillo, are you town?

Nah, im mafia, sorry i didnt pick you but i couldnt help picking Alexa and Nutella, too bad our gambit went to shit and i had to called it out for cred! Wanna help me bu them?

[nutella]

Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take

That's silly lol

A those people could just all be town B it could be fake derping

Actually remembering what illario said about not reading the op was probably real so he's ok for now

Idk this is moving so fast

[Sloonei]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

LOL

[hollowkatt]

Good players control the flow of information, not roles

As a captain. I'll probably pick 3-4 players (prob. GOATs) like Alexa or Scotty. Then mix in with some average ones (like me); and they then will they'll dictate OP roles we must pick

- from a capt perspective

except you can't pick teams AND roles. you pick one or the other. Also no derp clear for you

[Urist]

i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

mm i don't know if i agree with you on those.

[Phil and Gloria]

i don't know why but sloonei's posts are really resonating with me right now. it's like he's in my head.

Nutella maf
P&g maf
Radishes t

off you fuck

[alexa]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

[Phil and Gloria]

Yknow 9 pages in and I still can’t remember a single thing about the game. I’m glad I picked Mac so he can play the game for me. This is probably the best decision I made all year tbh.

(In honesty though I have a 17 hour car ride/moving into my new apartment so I’ll be reading where I can)

[Guillotine]

Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take

That's silly lol

A those people could just all be town B it could be fake derping

Actually remembering what illario said about not reading the op was probably real so he's ok for now

Idk this is moving so fast

Wait who is Mac here then?

[ilario]

Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

history is usually on my side lol

[Phil and Gloria]

I have solved the game

[Creature]

Is Scotty a good wolf?

[nutella]

Creature seems too easy. Too obvious. Occam’s razor and all that

Usually the obvious scum are scum

[Phil and Gloria]

4 posts in the span of 1 second. You people are the devil

[Creature]

Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

i forgot i had Sloonei in my gut pool of maf

Mafia:
Sloonei
LinearPoint
Paopon
Guillotine

that is probably 0/4 or 1/4 based on my early game accuracy but #yolo

I think only Sloonei and Paopan can be wolves here aorn

why?

ftr i am least confident on guillo here but i think linear is probably a wolf

LinearPoint is at that limbo where I think their actions are more likely to come from town but lots of players are saying they're wolf and I'm afraid of being the wrong one here

[alexa]

hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

[alexa]

hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

this is for everyone

I need an answer

[Urist]

I have solved the game

doubtful

[Creature]

hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

Is this directed to me?

[Guillotine]

i do wish this hadn't happened and alexa had kept it to herself because now wolves might be able to narrow down the kind of role i have but ah well

i think it's likely enough she just didnt realize roles and alignment were likely independent of each other

Alexa don't make those kinds of mistakes.

But maybe I should stop holding her to higher standards than everyone else now that I think about it.

WHAT?????

LMAO IVE MESSED UP AS PR LIKE EVERY GAME

if this is a serious read please give proof you mean it/have witnessed it

@Guillotine

Yah let me materialize deleted dead and scum chats, please hold.

you are explicitly claiming that i don't make these kinds of mistakes as village. shouldn't that be easy for you to point out? a past time i was a village PR and didn't make this kind of mistake of claiming something early?

It is not easy for me to point out because i would have to actislly look for them.

[Phil and Gloria]

alexa
c4
Creature
ender
falcon
hk
ilario
paopan
sabie
seanzie
urist

there are 0 wolves here

sloonei, nutella, Alison contains min 1 probably 2 wolves

linearpoint is outed mafia

[Creature]

hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

No, I don't even know who they are

[alexa]

hey please answer this - have you played with Paopan before?

Is this directed to me?

its directed at everyone im trying to @ on TS

[hollowkatt]

I'm gonna wake up to a billion new posts, not read any of them, then get wagoned for being "DiScOnNeCtEd FrOm ThE tHrEaD"

[nutella]

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Wow this got intense so quick

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Who is Neeko?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Is soup kill a thing?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

Yikes

[Creature]

Guess if I'm mafia captain choosing players over roles I'm very unlikely to pick Paopan here