GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[alexa]

having an outed wolf being voted and no apparently way to kill them before EOD makes it hard to like, feel motivated to solve much

[alexa]

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.

I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.

"But we're in a good position mech-wise"

Nope. We aren't. If my count is correct, wolves can get up to five soup kills tonight and that'd bring us to 6 v 4 not counting sabie's vig shot.

Okay true. But at least as of right now we've got a good portion of the playerlist cleared. And there's always a chance the wolves mess up the soup, if even one person has fudged their role claim enough.

Should also note that the soup chef is outed the morning after. So worst case scenario we go 6 v 4, but actually we'll know one more, which gives us one more piece of intel to triangulate.

I'm feeling strangely optimistic. That worries me.

The soup chef isn't outed if all their guesses are correct.

Oh I didn't read that part.

wait.. you just commented on it 2 posts ago though? how did you not read it?






assuming MR is closed to cleared from falcon if he's legit but in case some shenanigans are going on with mech clears, don't want to ignore this

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

[dyachei]

someone please give me the cliffnotes on what's going on today?

[dyachei]

having an outed wolf being voted and no apparently way to kill them before EOD makes it hard to like, feel motivated to solve much

looking at the poll, this outed wolf is TSP?

[dyachei]

I guess no one's around but me right now

[dyachei]

I'm also now heavily suspecting Sloonei for persuading me to go to Guillotine.

Ehhh I think Dya and I were the progenitors of the Guillo wagon at EoD most of all.

I also suspect dyachei but the Marmot kill still holds some cred.

i'm still holding the marmot kill against dya even though everybody else has thrown it to the side. I remember game state was highly suggesting that c4 was gonna use his shot on marmot so why not just have dya use it to coast as fake townie. idk for sure though

I didnt even know c4 was going to shoot him. I just wanted to shoot into the top wagons so we could do more with d1

Im also not coasting. Despite what you say.

[dyachei]

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I guess no one's around but me right now

Howdy!



Yeah, TSP is caught

[dyachei]

I guess no one's around but me right now

Howdy!



Yeah, TSP is caught

thanks. I'm trying to catch up but Im like 20 pages behind right now

[dyachei]

I was apparently coasting so hard I helped get a guillo elim. Yup thats me, entirely coasting

I wish people wouldnt use buzzwords that make no contextual sense

I'm posting as able after being at term for pregnancy and subsequently giving birth during this game. I'm sorry I'm not active enough to people like porscha (who i still looks pretty bad and the only thing going for them is belzy's say so)

[dyachei]

I'm also now heavily suspecting Sloonei for persuading me to go to Guillotine.

Ehhh I think Dya and I were the progenitors of the Guillo wagon at EoD most of all.

I also suspect dyachei but the Marmot kill still holds some cred.

i'm still holding the marmot kill against dya even though everybody else has thrown it to the side. I remember game state was highly suggesting that c4 was gonna use his shot on marmot so why not just have dya use it to coast as fake townie. idk for sure though

could dya be scum who shot marmot because they were scared c4 would shoot there anyway?

That's what we were talking about. Though, still feels weird they would use their private shot on their wolfmate instead of a strong town.

Not sure if dyachei strikes me as a wolf player that would set themselves to go deep.

I would definitely not. I've made it pretty clear why if I were a wolf going deep would be the worst thing for me

[falcon45ca]

I was apparently coasting so hard I helped get a guillo elim. Yup thats me, entirely coasting

I wish people wouldnt use buzzwords that make no contextual sense

I'm posting as able after being at term for pregnancy and subsequently giving birth during this game. I'm sorry I'm not active enough to people like porscha (who i still looks pretty bad and the only thing going for them is belzy's say so)

Oh well congratulations!















LYNCH HER IMMEDIATELY

[falcon45ca]

joooooooookes

[ilario]

congrats on the pregnancy!

does the dya slot classify as a hydra too?

[dyachei]

congrats on the pregnancy!

does the dya slot classify as a hydra too?

im the only person playing in my slot. the baby's too little to even see the screen

[ilario]

someone please give me the cliffnotes on what's going on today?

Tsp wolf whose lolcatting after redcheck

Creature also a wolf

Mac probably his partner who spent today trying to distance so his partners don’t look aligned to him after he does the soup kill tn

So that leaves 2 mafia left

[dyachei]

someone please give me the cliffnotes on what's going on today?

Tsp wolf whose lolcatting after redcheck

Creature also a wolf

Mac probably his partner who spent today trying to distance so his partners don’t look aligned to him after he does the soup kill tn

So that leaves 2 mafia left

what i've seen of creature looks very much like his town game

[Phil and Gloria]

someone please give me the cliffnotes on what's going on today?

Tsp wolf whose lolcatting after redcheck

Creature also a wolf

Mac probably his partner who spent today trying to distance so his partners don’t look aligned to him after he does the soup kill tn

So that leaves 2 mafia left

i have a name damnit

im literally playing the game the best of my ability, stop shading me (and mac)

[Sloonei]

someone please give me the cliffnotes on what's going on today?

Tsp wolf whose lolcatting after redcheck

Creature also a wolf

Mac probably his partner who spent today trying to distance so his partners don’t look aligned to him after he does the soup kill tn

So that leaves 2 mafia left

i have a name damnit

im literally playing the game the best of my ability, stop shading me (and mac)

Sprit please give us some reads please sprityo I need your reads please.

[LinearPoint]

Sorry haven't been on much the last day or so. Things just got really busy fast and really am just posting before going to crash asleep. Weill probably get a few posts in before day end though after catching up.

[Porscha]

yeah sorry dya wasn't a personal attack, I've been accused of it every game I play. not like I know what's going on in your real life. congrats tho

[Porscha]

I voted creature cuz tsp already flipping but ilario sold me on it as I will not be participating as much this day until next day assuming I will not be an ingredient in some soup

[Belzy]

I was apparently coasting so hard I helped get a guillo elim. Yup thats me, entirely coasting

I wish people wouldnt use buzzwords that make no contextual sense

I'm posting as able after being at term for pregnancy and subsequently giving birth during this game. I'm sorry I'm not active enough to people like porscha (who i still looks pretty bad and the only thing going for them is belzy's say so)

Congratulations Dya

But no need to compare yourself to others

[Belzy]

Why me?

I wish I knew an answer that proofs your alignment.

You escaped both eod lynches, and time and flips shown a lot of townies were on your wagons, perhaps completely clean even. You are in the Poe.

[Belzy]

As I read TSP's iso I get further confbiased into a w!Mac world. There's not meat to anything they say to each other. They talk to and about each other but they don't talk *to* or *about* each other.

A non-exhaustive selection of what I mean:

Spoiler: show

so it seems like everyone would draft me...

except I didn't get drafted

which means sloonei is the wolf captain

It means wolves chose roles

Sheeping mac on Nutella til a creature red flip

@TonyStarkPrime if you're still voting nutella when I wake up I am probably gonna just browbeat the entire game into cfding you.

Fine smh

@Phil and Gloria Falcon continues to bleed town move vote pls

@Phil and Gloria Falcon continues to bleed town move vote pls

why would I move my vote at the behest of the wolfiest slot in the game?

Being wolfy is towny and I can read falcon

Adding Mac to town core to replace Nutella

(This is a pocket attempt)

anyways I need sleep don’t let me die mac you’re in charge

Mac saved jpic Mac saved jpic someone get him

We'll probably have Phil abd Gloria as wolf here, right?

the “Mac hasn’t killed a wolf in 24 hours” timer is buzzing

Mac his slots just reads a wolfy all game long, individually, so if he also looks scummy for other reasons, then that only would make sense to me.

[Master Radishes]

Creature is in the wider PoE, but I don't think ilario's casing has moved him from being in the outer portion of it for me.

I think we're at that stage we don't even know what to do so if anyone ever bothers to grab an ISO and biasedly slap wolf motivation behind every post that already makes a better case than any static POE we keep flip-flopping around.

I mean, yeah, we can make a wolf case out of anyone at this point. It's all about construing intentions.

But we're in a good position mech-wise, at least as far as we can tell, and we have a red to chop today, so I don't mind ilario casing the shit out of you like this. It's good to poke and prod at the fringes to see what shakes out. Ideally someone slaps LP about a bit too, for instance. Actually I think if this game is lacking something it's proper cases. People are largely resorting to single-post reads or generic 'I think they're town/scum' without much expansion. I don't mean we need just the conventional iso & analyse, but it might help for people to actually go back into isos and check their assumptions again to challenge or confirm them a bit before repeating the same reads ad nauseum.

"But we're in a good position mech-wise"

Nope. We aren't. If my count is correct, wolves can get up to five soup kills tonight and that'd bring us to 6 v 4 not counting sabie's vig shot.

Okay true. But at least as of right now we've got a good portion of the playerlist cleared. And there's always a chance the wolves mess up the soup, if even one person has fudged their role claim enough.

Should also note that the soup chef is outed the morning after. So worst case scenario we go 6 v 4, but actually we'll know one more, which gives us one more piece of intel to triangulate.

I'm feeling strangely optimistic. That worries me.

The soup chef isn't outed if all their guesses are correct.

Oh I didn't read that part.

wait.. you just commented on it 2 posts ago though? how did you not read it?

I didn't realise the soup chef wouldn't be outed if they only guessed X number and got them all right. In my initial post I was just speaking generally that they might mess it up for the roles they do think they know.

[Master Radishes]

I read Sloonei's iso and I see town and I don't know what to do about that because I think I need Sloonei as one of my final four.

[Master Radishes]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

[Justplayingitcool]

good morning

[Justplayingitcool]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp

[Master Radishes]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp

Reads on known scum are pretty much non-existent. But then again he was slanking for a lot of time so that's not damning in and of itself imo.

The two things that made me go 'hmm' were (a) he very quickly had a V read on me and stuck with it through a time when no one else had that, and (b) if Wilgy and/or Mac are scum he gave them fairly easy V reads too.

But he's also towncased a lot of town / likely town along the way. And his words all make sense when doing so. And of course they do because he's Sloonei, but still.

Maybe I need to find a recent scum game to read.

[Master Radishes]

I guess I should stop saying 'Mac' now that sprityo has made more of an appearance.

[Master Radishes]

I can't tell if I'm just really bad at reading isos/am overdoubting myself or if wolves have just done a bang up job this game of controlling spew.

[sabie12]

I can't tell if I'm just really bad at reading isos/am overdoubting myself or if wolves have just done a bang up job this game of controlling spew.

I'm feeling like this right now. I keep trying to go through isos and I'm like oh hey maybe that makes sense then I way overthink it and then I'm like that's not it.

[sabie12]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp

Reads on known scum are pretty much non-existent. But then again he was slanking for a lot of time so that's not damning in and of itself imo.

The two things that made me go 'hmm' were (a) he very quickly had a V read on me and stuck with it through a time when no one else had that, and (b) if Wilgy and/or Mac are scum he gave them fairly easy V reads too.

But he's also towncased a lot of town / likely town along the way. And his words all make sense when doing so. And of course they do because he's Sloonei, but still.

Maybe I need to find a recent scum game to read.

Yeah I read through his iso and he says dizzy is town by default but later said that wasn't a legit read. I didn't see him say anything about marmot. Tsp was mildly mentioned. He did some analyzing of dizzy interactions. Kind of pushed c4. One thing I do remember is a long time ago there was a game where he was mafia and shot his teammate and rode that cred for awhile.

[Master Radishes]

Can someone give me:

(a) A relatively recent Sloonei scum game

(b) A relatively recent Wilgy scum game

?

[Sloonei]

Can someone give me:

(a) A relatively recent Sloonei scum game

(b) A relatively recent Wilgy scum game

?

Technically my last mafia game was Philosophy II, but I did not really play.

Other than that I think my my most scum game was last year’s GoC.

[Phil and Gloria]

Can someone give me:

(a) A relatively recent Sloonei scum game

(b) A relatively recent Wilgy scum game

?

I think wilgy kinda always has the same play style regardless of alignment but here’s Coffia

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[Phil and Gloria]

Nevermind he died day 1 lol

[Master Radishes]

I'm overthinking things again.

But I'm also struggling to settle on who the wolves are likely to be.

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp

You are in the POE. I have done no painting.

[Master Radishes]

Wilgy/Sabie/Paopan is a trio I can't make sense of.


Wilgy has incredibly stale/unchanging scumreads on Paopan and Sabie (though that began to shift at the end of D2).

Sabie gave one hedgey shrug at Wilgy early in D1 then came in at EoD with a 'gah, I don't know what to do' and voted Wilgy instead of any other counterwagon.

Paopan votes and pushes on Sabie early, then at EoD suddenly wants Wilgy out right up until they want Seanzie out instead.


They have a weird trio thing going on that could easily be bussing but I just don't think all *three* are scum here?

[Master Radishes]

GTH Wilgy/Pao are the likeliest w/w there? Like Pao's sudden/confident push on Wilgy that is just as suddenly dropped in the final minutes could be bussing when they see the momentum onto Wilgy (I can't quite figure out the wagon sizes at the time), and Wilgy has had a super stale SR on Pao for the entire game that has never changed.

[Master Radishes]

This game is hard. I like to be right about things and I sometimes can be and then I feel good about myself, but now Creature's got me worried about the soup and I feel pressure to get something right *now*. And I can't confidently decide who should be inner PoE and who I think are actually town.

[Justplayingitcool]

Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.

Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp

You are in the POE. I have done no painting.

same thing

[Justplayingitcool]

maybe im biased but it should tell you something nobody from the non-confirms left alive have defended me this game...

[Master Radishes]

And everyone has gone for a rest now that we have TSP lined up, and I get that, but honestly @alexa @Belzy @Porscha @falcon45ca you guys are increasingly likely to be souped soon, so now may be your last chance to say things.

[Justplayingitcool]

read ilario's posts on Creature.

Still think Creature is town. If he is wolf he has done very well to imitate his town game

[alexa]

And everyone has gone for a rest now that we have TSP lined up, and I get that, but honestly @alexa @Belzy @Porscha @falcon45ca you guys are increasingly likely to be souped soon, so now may be your last chance to say things.

Yeah I'll say some things before EOD, driving home today as I'm staying with my parents for the week and it's a long drive so I may not be here until like an hour before EOD but I'll definitely have time before then to get some stuff out