The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:38 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:28 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:27 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

I like this tbh, Rondo understands me

That said if you are wolf here, how I treat you will change.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:37 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:31 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:25 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:28 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:27 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:27 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:13 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:17 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:25 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:19 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:15 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:12 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:00 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:34 pm DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

Did you side-eye her before she became a nonsensical wagon due to the proletariat's unrest?

Yes lol.

I sr her for her initial reads/treatment of Neon oddly enough playing in the "devils advocate" and then later discuss how her reasoning/read on SPF felt very scummy and did not seem to come from a town mindset. All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol.

I have sr Alison's reads/progression this game. I have pointed it out several times throughout the game. I don't want to overblow a case on her if I need to as it seems that she is likely to die, though I see some resistance from several people.

That is also why last night I was talking to SPF about Alison because I was so confused how she was still defending Alison despite her own treatment on SPF, that I was attempting to explain to her why I viewed it as scummy.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm @RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:02 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:09 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

This just isn't true. 1.) didn't talk about you at all D2 aside from extremely early, 2.) Mac is Mac, and 3.) if I died last night, the chances of people wanting heads in (Alison/Mac/Boq/SPF) would have skyrocketed. If I'm right, at least two wolves are in that group above, so killing me would have been suicide.

1 is the precise reason why killing you yesterday would be the best time to do it. I don't joke around with my kills when I am scum tbh.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:10 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

Like... the more I think about this... the more this is just so wrong it kind of has to be outing coming from a Boq-level player.

It is the correct play tbh and this is an argument I have done as town previously when my tunnellers are kept alive tbh.

I kill those who suspect me when they seem to lose momentum of me.

I keep thinking about this. Idk why but this interaction is just so off to me.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:16 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:14 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:10 pm does anyone in this game know how to read drwilgy?

In my other game here, Dr Wilgy was an early misyeet because he couldn't jam with the thread. In this game he has a completely different vibe tbh

I am assuming by "misyeet" he was town in that game and you are saying he has a completely different vibe here? What does that make of your read on Wiggles then aorn?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:12 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:00 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:34 pm DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:10 pm does anyone in this game know how to read drwilgy?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:57 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:57 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:38 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:10 pm Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

yeah

i think part of my frustration with this gamestate, regardless of alison's alignment, is that it feels like 90% of the game is part of an inside joke that they won't let me in on

in spite of everything that's happened, it's still not even clear to me why people scumread alison throughout d1. what did she do that was wolf-indicative? why was she wolftelling? mac is the one who came the closest to giving a legitimate answer but i've seen basically zero reasoning from anyone that wasn't him. and again, why was alison one of the main wagons on d2? why does everyone agree that she needs to be killed today? what did she do???

it's seriously exasperating for everyone to be tunneled on alison without having a single clue how they got to her being a wolf or what she has done that is scum indicative - it feels like the game is stuck in this self-fulfilling prophesy of "alison needs to be chopped because she's been in contention for so long" but it's abundantly unclear what led to her being in contention in the first place

i just don't get it i guess

must be rough being in the minority of the game eh :/

I agree mac made the best argument. if you believe that alison is town and that the alison wagon was not pure, then you should know at least part of why she was wagon'd - to take advantage of a strong town player ML day 1 for wolves.
Alison was wagon day 2 because of the counterwagon needs to flip conversation. not sure how you missed that or why you even asked it. i'll assume it's because you're drunk, I guess.

Being in contention can get townie players ML'd for the sake of flipping and the information it brings. Because if alison were to flip wolf today, for example, you would potentially be reading her day 1 wagon differently, wouldn't you? You'd be going back and looking for coasting players / votes on her slot. why are you asking these kinds of questions? Even if you are against policy yeeting, you have to understand the answers to your questions are readily, dare I say EXTREMELY, available to you.

@Porscha - it seems like you misunderstood what i was trying to say in that post, though i don't blame you since i was drunk and writing in a pretty sloppy way. yes, i understand that alison was wagoned on d2 because she was the counterwagon on d1 and people wanted her to flip, but i wasn't literally asking why she she was voted on d2, i was asking what she has actually done that is wolf-indicative for her, and what specific behavior from her warranted the votes on the first place. i thought i made this clear when i talked about how the game was stuck in a "self fulfilling prophesy" of voting for alison because she was voted on d1 and not because she has atually wolftold

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:10 pm @Porscha I think there's likely a mafia in you/lily/alison based on how interactions have gone this game compared to in misplay mafia, I think its probably you based on your play there compared to here, im not entirely sure but you definitely seem different to me, particularly when both overlapped, so

/shrug I dont think it's been that different, but maybe it has. If it is, I dont know why or how. I am taking JJJ's advice and trying to articulate things better rather than slipping into catty mode that comes off as self righteous but I cant think of anything else, really. I also think there is at least one wolf between me lily and alison. I'm not sure I have a stronger opinion on which of alison or lily is more likely wolf right now, though. I'll chew on it some more but I'm gonna be working for a while so I'll get more in depth later

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:47 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:34 pm Tbh if Alison is wolf, Porscha is town. Alison has really tried to make me reverse my read on Porscha tbh

How do you mean? What was your read that she is trying to reverse? Has she specifically appealed to your opinion on this? Alison herself seems to be reconsidering my slot, but only through NK analysis. I could see her faking this progression since I feel like saying "wolf porscha doesnt make those kills" but like nook said earlier... there are 3 wolves and in theory I could be a wolf who is wolfing with someone else who *does* make those kills. But I know she needs to catch up too, so maybe her opinion will change.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:00 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:33 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:06 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:18 am I've seen Boq pointed out as scum by both Max and Lucy and they are voting me. Doesn't bode well in that slot for those reasons but I should iso.

Time to sleep.

Is there some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"?

I don't think I should have to explain perceived value and weight.

I get here, I see you are voting a member of town. A member of town who is dead had you as a wolf d1 (Mac quote I saw in Neon's iso). Lucy who says you are part of PoE.

So that's 2 town points to you being w and one null point to you being w that I've observed.

Now you have had Lily and Porscha both show and say Lucy's PoE is bad, effectively removing the null since my observation, but there's still 1.5 weight of you as W from my limited data.

Tel me why is this data wrong?

it has been the running theme in this game that "pushing me" = "you are scum" so I am just asking. It feels like I have become collateral damage in some internal politics of this site with the bourgeoisie vs the proletariat. You also used "voting me" as a reason to scum read me.

Falcon had an incorrect read of me. If I was last night's NK, does that mean that you'd magically be a wolf? A dead D1 town's reads are not gospels of truth nor should it be sheeped for merely existing. It should be examined and see if it holds any value. I also had zero to do with Falcon's atrocious yeet.

Lucy has been town reading me the whole game. I do not understand her process, but I assume it is based on paranoia that I am in the POE.
So the Lucy part of your data is pretty wrong and shallow.
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Anyway, I have decided to stop trying in this game. It will just tilt me. Just gonna write my reads.

I have decided that the Neon slot (DrWilgy) is probably town due to Neon's defence when i was asleep + it doesnt make much sense for a wolf to protect Lily in such a strong manner unless they are both w/w ig tbh

If Alison is town then the game state got fucked sod2 or even mid D1. So I hope she is scum. I will be the auto yeet D4 regardless. And I am tired of trying to create content and move the game towards a less closed game state. Maybe town will be able to re-evaluate in the F7 tbh.

In what universe are you the auto yeet day 4. And why do you insist on being baby.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:00 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:34 pm DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:33 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:06 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:18 am I've seen Boq pointed out as scum by both Max and Lucy and they are voting me. Doesn't bode well in that slot for those reasons but I should iso.

Time to sleep.

Is there some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"?

I don't think I should have to explain perceived value and weight.

I get here, I see you are voting a member of town. A member of town who is dead had you as a wolf d1 (Mac quote I saw in Neon's iso). Lucy who says you are part of PoE.

So that's 2 town points to you being w and one null point to you being w that I've observed.

Now you have had Lily and Porscha both show and say Lucy's PoE is bad, effectively removing the null since my observation, but there's still 1.5 weight of you as W from my limited data.

Tel me why is this data wrong?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:19 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:11 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:52 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

this seems like a bad argument. are you really telling me that if you were a wolf you would kill one of the people who was the most aggressively hard tunneled on you and who would make you look awful?

Yep
He stopped talking much about me during D2, just made some jokes, and it could be in line with the Jack kill as in being "weird". It would also make it easier for me to exist tbh

Players who scum reads me need to go when I am scum sooner than later, since I would want Seanzie to die long before lylo. My scum win rate isn't like 80% on sheer luck tbh

There are three mafia

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:17 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:07 pm So mafia are in the people who didn't care whether Creature or I went over yesterday. Porscha continues to be a candidate for that. Seanzie is another.

you only bring up my name when I was the only one still gave creature any value of not being "an outted wolf" which is more than virtually anyone else gave him. so I'd disagree my name should be brought up before anyone else's. unless you would like to push the TMI idea as I would have called it. what do you think of everyone else who literally did nothing except agree creature was outted wolf when he was well within his town range?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:52 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

this seems like a bad argument. are you really telling me that if you were a wolf you would kill one of the people who was the most aggressively hard tunneled on you and who would make you look awful?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:38 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:10 pm Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

yeah

i think part of my frustration with this gamestate, regardless of alison's alignment, is that it feels like 90% of the game is part of an inside joke that they won't let me in on

in spite of everything that's happened, it's still not even clear to me why people scumread alison throughout d1. what did she do that was wolf-indicative? why was she wolftelling? mac is the one who came the closest to giving a legitimate answer but i've seen basically zero reasoning from anyone that wasn't him. and again, why was alison one of the main wagons on d2? why does everyone agree that she needs to be killed today? what did she do???

it's seriously exasperating for everyone to be tunneled on alison without having a single clue how they got to her being a wolf or what she has done that is scum indicative - it feels like the game is stuck in this self-fulfilling prophesy of "alison needs to be chopped because she's been in contention for so long" but it's abundantly unclear what led to her being in contention in the first place

i just don't get it i guess

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:18 am I'm like, half wanting to keep isoing half want to sleep.

I've been up for 24 hours and drove 15 of those so there's a good argument for trying again in the morning.

Thoughts as of now:
need to examine Alison.

need to examine Aro.

Lily's been helpful with my entry, pro town, but I do have qualm with the post I quoted where Lily states that Neon's point was flawed.

I've seen Boq pointed out as scum by both Max and Lucy and they are voting me. Doesn't bode well in that slot for those reasons but I should iso.

Nook row locking me always puts me on edge. I was close to getting them last time but chickened out, unknown if I get to any conclusion without supplementing my data.

Time to sleep.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:10 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

Like... the more I think about this... the more this is just so wrong it kind of has to be outing coming from a Boq-level player.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:09 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

This just isn't true. 1.) didn't talk about you at all D2 aside from extremely early, 2.) Mac is Mac, and 3.) if I died last night, the chances of people wanting heads in (Alison/Mac/Boq/SPF) would have skyrocketed. If I'm right, at least two wolves are in that group above, so killing me would have been suicide.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:03 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:48 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:38 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:25 pm

That's my full thoughts. Irregardless of my feelings the slot must be resolved. Alison will be wagoned every single day until they are resolved no matter what at this point. It is a waste of time and energy as town to keep her alive. If she's town we eliminate a potential mislim woofers are keeping around for later. If she's scum good.

Either way we have further data about the wagon structure of each day and Alison is right in how we can read behaviors based on all wagons on d1 and 2 being T v T or not

We lose if we keep having this discussion every single day. Alison needs to be resolved today. Period.

i think it is a skill issue not being able to even try to solve Alison by reading her posts and looking at her pushes tbh
Just how "Alison OR Creature needs to be solved today, btw Creature is an outed wolf!" was the agenda yesterday

if we had hammers, i could agree with just hammering Alison and move on, but now we have to play out the full 48 hours, and if we all have this debate, then this is a free day for the wolves. Like, hammering would be pro town here and keeping the day going on is more pro wolf - i am talking myself into just voting Alison and afk from the thread rn wtf

Oh good I can't wait to be told I have all issues all game again. That's my favorite way to play.

"Skill issue" is a meme, but I forgot it is only known on MU tbh
Either way, this is wolfy defensiveness tbh

No this is I just played a game on this site being told I have skill issue all game.

okay, i am sorry for the mix up then tbh I did not mean "skill issue" in its literal and serious meaning. It was a cheeky comment meant for the whole game and not to you specifically tbh

10 4

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:53 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm

Nah, I'm just good. Sorry you got caught so early.

I am looking forward to post game and I hope your explanation won't be "but you were so scummy" tbh

I'm just looking forward to your flip. You can leave me lots of messages in dvc chat though, I'll likely get them the morning after you go over.

You are the sole reason why I will live until end game tbh. Because you are not going to get me misyeeted this game until it is lylo tbh.
You are also a carbon copy.

You are fdas of Mafia Championship Season 3 game 7
You are Jepg of Mafia Championship Season 4 Wild Card Game 2
You are the whole town of Championship Finale Season 5
You are Poison and Myc of Mafia Championship Season 7 Game 9
You are Jeremy of Mafia Championship Season 8 Game 2.

All players except 1 had legitimate reasons to scum read me. All players except 1 was able to stop death tunnel me and GOAT the game tbh. I have dealt with this script before, and I know I won't really get an explanation at post game for why I was death tunnelled for ??? reasons (like you began the whole thing just because I said I would be pushing suboptimal plays as a new kind of strategy). I will leave you in the town pile and move on. I am not going to address your shades further and only address when I want to bounce reads that do not involve your tunnel of me tbh.

for someone who wants to imply I have no legitimate case on you, you sure are wasting a lot of breath trying to discredit me. Almost as if...

It is called schadenfreude tbh

Or...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:49 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm it feels like at D1, you seanzie, and some others, decided who their scum reads are by throwing darts and just going with it tbh

Nah, I'm just good. Sorry you got caught so early.

I am looking forward to post game and I hope your explanation won't be "but you were so scummy" tbh

I'm just looking forward to your flip. You can leave me lots of messages in dvc chat though, I'll likely get them the morning after you go over.

You are the sole reason why I will live until end game tbh. Because you are not going to get me misyeeted this game until it is lylo tbh.
You are also a carbon copy.

You are fdas of Mafia Championship Season 3 game 7
You are Jepg of Mafia Championship Season 4 Wild Card Game 2
You are the whole town of Championship Finale Season 5
You are Poison and Myc of Mafia Championship Season 7 Game 9
You are Jeremy of Mafia Championship Season 8 Game 2.

All players except 1 had legitimate reasons to scum read me. All players except 1 was able to stop death tunnel me and GOAT the game tbh. I have dealt with this script before, and I know I won't really get an explanation at post game for why I was death tunnelled for ??? reasons (like you began the whole thing just because I said I would be pushing suboptimal plays as a new kind of strategy). I will leave you in the town pile and move on. I am not going to address your shades further and only address when I want to bounce reads that do not involve your tunnel of me tbh.

for someone who wants to imply I have no legitimate case on you, you sure are wasting a lot of breath trying to discredit me. Almost as if...

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:43 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:39 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm @Boquise What's your current opinion of spf and aro?

I think both can be wolves. Mac tinfoiled both, Aro harder than Spf.
I need to re-evaluate a little bit.

The only ones I feel sure are town are Seanzie and Porscha tbh

I find it interesting that mac died after pushing for 2 MLs. I don't see any other way to spin it then there being a wolf or wolves in spf/aro lol. mac is the spf tinfoiler after all

I mean tbf Mac died saying that I was always town if creature is town and I doubt I would kill him in a position where I'm deepwolfing and had him hard pocketed

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:38 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:36 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:18 pm

Cool. It's the right answer though so oh well.

Give your full thoughts on Alison then, whatever they may be. Gth what do you think? What will resolving them do for us one way or the other?

That's my full thoughts. Irregardless of my feelings the slot must be resolved. Alison will be wagoned every single day until they are resolved no matter what at this point. It is a waste of time and energy as town to keep her alive. If she's town we eliminate a potential mislim woofers are keeping around for later. If she's scum good.

Either way we have further data about the wagon structure of each day and Alison is right in how we can read behaviors based on all wagons on d1 and 2 being T v T or not

We lose if we keep having this discussion every single day. Alison needs to be resolved today. Period.

i think it is a skill issue not being able to even try to solve Alison by reading her posts and looking at her pushes tbh
Just how "Alison OR Creature needs to be solved today, btw Creature is an outed wolf!" was the agenda yesterday

if we had hammers, i could agree with just hammering Alison and move on, but now we have to play out the full 48 hours, and if we all have this debate, then this is a free day for the wolves. Like, hammering would be pro town here and keeping the day going on is more pro wolf - i am talking myself into just voting Alison and afk from the thread rn wtf

Oh good I can't wait to be told I have all issues all game again. That's my favorite way to play.

"Skill issue" is a meme, but I forgot it is only known on MU tbh
Either way, this is wolfy defensiveness tbh

No this is I just played a game on this site being told I have skill issue all game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm it feels like at D1, you seanzie, and some others, decided who their scum reads are by throwing darts and just going with it tbh

Nah, I'm just good. Sorry you got caught so early.

I am looking forward to post game and I hope your explanation won't be "but you were so scummy" tbh

I'm just looking forward to your flip. You can leave me lots of messages in dvc chat though, I'll likely get them the morning after you go over.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm @Boquise What's your current opinion of spf and aro?

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:30 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:17 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:16 pm

I dunno if Alison is scum. I know that Alison needs to be resolved.

Not a good answer.

Cool. It's the right answer though so oh well.

Give your full thoughts on Alison then, whatever they may be. Gth what do you think? What will resolving them do for us one way or the other?

That's my full thoughts. Irregardless of my feelings the slot must be resolved. Alison will be wagoned every single day until they are resolved no matter what at this point. It is a waste of time and energy as town to keep her alive. If she's town we eliminate a potential mislim woofers are keeping around for later. If she's scum good.

Either way we have further data about the wagon structure of each day and Alison is right in how we can read behaviors based on all wagons on d1 and 2 being T v T or not

We lose if we keep having this discussion every single day. Alison needs to be resolved today. Period.

i think it is a skill issue not being able to even try to solve Alison by reading her posts and looking at her pushes tbh
Just how "Alison OR Creature needs to be solved today, btw Creature is an outed wolf!" was the agenda yesterday

if we had hammers, i could agree with just hammering Alison and move on, but now we have to play out the full 48 hours, and if we all have this debate, then this is a free day for the wolves. Like, hammering would be pro town here and keeping the day going on is more pro wolf - i am talking myself into just voting Alison and afk from the thread rn wtf

Oh good I can't wait to be told I have all issues all game again. That's my favorite way to play.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm it feels like at D1, you seanzie, and some others, decided who their scum reads are by throwing darts and just going with it tbh

Nah, I'm just good. Sorry you got caught so early.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:33 pm it feels like at D1, you seanzie, and some others, decided who their scum reads are by throwing darts and just going with it tbh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:32 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:28 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:23 pm [VOTE: Neon] aubergine

for now

i wonder if it is legit to town read Nanook (and at extent Rondo) with Mac's death. Given Mac was town reading both tbh

"we can kill Alison, but let's discuss"

*naked votes Neon*

"My name is Seanzie and I do selective reading tbh"

"My name is Boq and I'm a wolf"

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:28 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:23 pm [VOTE: Neon] aubergine

for now

i wonder if it is legit to town read Nanook (and at extent Rondo) with Mac's death. Given Mac was town reading both tbh

"we can kill Alison, but let's discuss"

*naked votes Neon*

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:17 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:14 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:12 pm

I'm fine with this as long as Alison goes over in the end. Saving Alison again is game losing at this point.

Explain to me why Alison is scum.

I dunno if Alison is scum. I know that Alison needs to be resolved.

Not a good answer.

Cool. It's the right answer though so oh well.

Give your full thoughts on Alison then, whatever they may be. Gth what do you think? What will resolving them do for us one way or the other?

That's my full thoughts. Irregardless of my feelings the slot must be resolved. Alison will be wagoned every single day until they are resolved no matter what at this point. It is a waste of time and energy as town to keep her alive. If she's town we eliminate a potential mislim woofers are keeping around for later. If she's scum good.

Either way we have further data about the wagon structure of each day and Alison is right in how we can read behaviors based on all wagons on d1 and 2 being T v T or not

We lose if we keep having this discussion every single day. Alison needs to be resolved today. Period.