The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:41 pm there should be a Balkans mafia where the flavor is just names of the Balkan countries

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:19 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

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tbh

threesomes r pro town

im straight

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

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tbh

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:29 pm Alright bussing time then

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:27 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:26 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

Alison solve fr

I have 11 hours and 33 minutes till I have to vote her

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:21 pm bad read but lucy wanting credit for coming to an alison V creature W world first is towny maybe lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:08 pm i think part of the problem with this game is that i'm struggling to establish a foundation of people that i trust, and all of my thoughts more disjointed than they usually are

i think that mac is blatant town and the way he has played over the last ~2 hours or so cement that fact. i don't think his push on alison comes out in the specific way that it has (or with the level of conviction that it has) in a world where he's mafia

i'm struggling to come to alison being a wolf for a couple of reasons:

1. if alison is mafia, who reasonably has partner equity with her? the momentum against her yesterday came almost exclusively from a pool of people that i perceive as likely containing a high number of wolves, and most of these were players were widely POE'd yesterday as well (ie: Nanook, Neon, Porscha,, Seanzie,, RondoDimBuckle all had their votes on alison toward the end of the day and were among the earliest to push against her)

so, in a world where the wolves are being correctly widely POE'd by the rest of the game and are in an unstable thread position, why on earth would they decide to hardbus alison? what would they gain from bussing one of the strongest players in the game who could easily endgame as a wolf? what tangible benefit would they get from it?

the alternative is that alison actually is mafia and her partners voted to protect her on d1, but this would require that:

A. my view of the game is upside down and there are multiple wolves contained within like, (mac, lily, lucy, aro), etc

B. the wolves were willing to go hard to protect alison on d1 with the full awareness that they would look bad in a world where she inevitably flipped W

this doesn't seem like a risk that most wolf teams would be willing to take, and i actually suspect that alison is the type of player who would ASK to be bussed in the position she was in on d1, but i don't see any viable bussers for her that wouldn't have been stupidly suicidal/playing against the win condition of their team to try to bury her on d1

2. i just don't find her posts that wolfy. maybe this is a skill issue on my part, and maybe my mind will change once i read mac's posts about alison more thoroughly, but i just don't! she is much more assertive and forceful with her reads than she was in the spec chat inviational, in which she was extremely passive and barely made moves to influence the threadstate. she is much more naturally suspicious of me even though she would almost want to pocket me in a world where she's a wolf and i'm incorrectly defending her. and in general, i don't find the reasons i've seen to scumread her (outside of some of mac's points) to be compelling or good.....at all

so yeah idk, im trying my best to conceptualize analison wolf world but i can't really shake the feeling that she's more likely to be town than not. there have been multiple times in recent memory where i had a correct read and the entire gamestate was telling me i was wrong and i ended up being right anyway - i don't really want to doubt my instincts even though i'm aware that i'm creating quite the hole for myself in a world where alison is W

porscha is still a wide target of suspicion among most people here, but i am similarly struggling to grasp what the case on her is. i agree that some of her posts in early d1 felt fake and like they came from a wolf that is going through the motions, but i think she has significantly improved from the middle of d1- nward, even if i'm not confident about her being town. i think that i need a specific case against porscha in order for me to get to a world where she's a wolf, because as of now i would describe her posts as being: "broadly fine"

i want to write a paragraph for every player here but im losing energy so im just gonna post it

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:30 am alison lynch is optimal, but also creature could be TMI-ing her as town

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:05 pm what’s your read on me, lily

Mixed

Landing on town though

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:05 pm I am torn

Part of me wants to do the game theory optimal thing

Part of me wants to just follow SPF blindly lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:59 pm im more convinced than ever that alison is a blatant mischop and that creature is blatant mafia but i doubt anyone will listen to me

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:01 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:50 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:16 pm D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

Your thoughts are as independent as "oh look mac thinks like this so now i think like this too".

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:16 pm D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

I think creature man spewed Alison town, in the message he contradicted himself in he was always doing it in a town!Alison world

You're making spews sound as much as a joke as "wolfslips" are today.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:50 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:16 pm D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:50 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:16 pm D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:48 pm okay, i'm finally caught up with the thread. i got a million pings while i was gone and i don't have time to individually answer each of them, but i will make a longer post shortly outlining my general view of the game/my current POE, and the specific strategy that we should follow to win the game even in the event where i'm wrong about everything and unintentionally wolfsiding

a couple of things to note first, though:

-i think the biggest developments from my catch-up is that my read on lucy went from null to townlean and my read on lily went from "townlean" to "almost 100% town". @MacDougall @arogame123 @lucy -i'm hard veto'ing any votes or pushes on lucy until LYLO at the very minimum, because i think she is the most blatantly town poster in the game so far barring mac, and there are specific tells that she did over the last few pages that i perceive as being very likely to be outside of her wolfrange (such as the way she reacted to alison asking her to chain her vote to lucy)

-as for lucy, my read on her existed in a nebelous uncertain state because i thought most of her posts were non-descript and not particularly alignment indicative, but she got a lot townier as soon as she started pushing on creature using his previous meta, and i would be mildly impressed if that catch is something that she would be able to pick up on as a wolf. if creature is a wolf then i'm tempted to say that it's probably lock clearing for her

@MacDougall - are you sure that seanzie/creature can't be W/W? if you're willing to bet the game on it, then i'll sheep you, but i was tinfoiling a world where they are partnered last night and i think it makes a reasonable amount of sense. seanzie has had a vested interest in shielding creature from pressure and creature has actively avoided pushing on seanzie, and i think a world where the two of them are wolves could make sense in a world where the wolves are powerwolfing and trying to push through a bad POE, especially if we live in a world where alison is town

@arogame123 - i have a major bone to pick with you about your read on lily, and i felt like you were almost purposefully going out of your way to misunderstand her on page 47. what is the wolf motivation for her choosing to vote outside of falcon and alison yesterday? what does she strategically gain from doing that as a wolf? i feel like you are characterizing her behavior as wolfy in the most surface level possible way without digging deeper into the intent, and your view on lily being so directly the opposite of mine is my biggest concern about you right now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:16 pm D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:03 pm @arogame123 did you not think Lucy kinda destroyed Creature here? I thought what she dropped near outed him tbh.

Pretty sure I debunked Lucy's whole case on me with facts and logic right here:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:08 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:12 am Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:28 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:20 pm

Maybe you just don't actually realise how bad this is but not killing the counterwagon on day 2 is the number 1 thing that leads to town losing mountainous games. Nothing else comes close.

Perhaps. I just hate giving wolves a free day pass because we have to resolve wagons when TvT wagons are quite common.

I'm still right. When two players end up being final wagons D1 and one of them gets flipped town, the other is bound to get resolved sooner or later. I just disagree they should be resolved instantly.

Like, in that game you're referencing at some poijt the wagons were you (wolf) v Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town). Eventually your wagon collapsed into a Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town) final thunderdome. Vanta Black ended up lynched that day and Chaos was poisoned the next night, while you got a pass all the way to endgame.

I'm concerned the same thing could've happened with Porscha (wolf) v Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town): the Porscha wagon collapsed into an Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town) final thunderdome where we lynched falcon45caand now we're resolving Alison while Porscha gets away.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Hmmm

Sableye;6246067 wrote:I guess my lucy townread had to do with her actions not making sense from wolf, like claiming VT right out of the gate. I also kinda agreed when someone said her reactions felt genuinely frustrated town.

These two posts are remarkably similar lol.

Pretty sure my townread on Lilypetal is structured a lot differently than my lucy townread on the other game. Here I expressed the reason why I townread Lilypetal and also pointed something I was concerned about her. That other game I only listed reasons to townread lucy without any drawback.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:12 am Hell I guess I pushed Lilypetal remorselessly a lot D1 because of her entrance. I feel like I would be inclined to just ignore my partner's entrance or just be quick to drop suspicions about them.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:48 am Okay here are some quotes from Creature from this game Lucy has pulled irt how he treats teammates (August this year so very recent, probably Creature's most recent wolfrand).

It's not even close to my most recent wolfrand. I guess I ended up playing fairly suboptimally there because I was alting and the deadlines were so long I often got bored.

My most recent non-mash wolfrand was Something Simple which had a 48/24 deadline format just like this game. If you're suspecting Alison and I are partnered this game is an even better comparison because I was wolfing with Alice Liddell and I deem both Alison and Alice to be strong (wolf) players so you can just compare my treatment of them.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:21 am Also I remember Alison was very frustrated at Twice Shrunk for burning all his towncred to defend her in the Spec Chat game. If we were wolf partners I feel like I've been defending her so much she'd want to marry Twice Shrunk after this game.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:27 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:54 am mac, don’t go off his play around me, i was mafia poisoned and wagon d1
he tried to and successfully spewed me town
his play would logically be different this game in compared to around me that game

There's this too. I feel like I would've prob bussed lucy that game if lucy wasn't the wolf's strongest role by far.

I ended up making shit up so I could save lucy and I knew that would probably make me look bad. I ended up just taking advantage of town unaligning lucy and me because I defended her vehemently.

Also I ended up pushing my other two partners a lot trying to spew them town when lucy and I both eventually were lynched.

I read it multiple times and it was weak and not compelling at all

Do you mean your case on me?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:03 pm @arogame123 did you not think Lucy kinda destroyed Creature here? I thought what she dropped near outed him tbh.

Pretty sure I debunked Lucy's whole case on me with facts and logic right here:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:08 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:12 am Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:28 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:20 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:19 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:17 pm spf and creature, game theory wise do we Lynch the cw?

We shouldn't restrict our lynch options today. It's not set in stone Alison is wolf and I feel like wolves are skating under the radar while we eat each other.

Maybe you just don't actually realise how bad this is but not killing the counterwagon on day 2 is the number 1 thing that leads to town losing mountainous games. Nothing else comes close.

Perhaps. I just hate giving wolves a free day pass because we have to resolve wagons when TvT wagons are quite common.

I'm still right. When two players end up being final wagons D1 and one of them gets flipped town, the other is bound to get resolved sooner or later. I just disagree they should be resolved instantly.

Like, in that game you're referencing at some poijt the wagons were you (wolf) v Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town). Eventually your wagon collapsed into a Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town) final thunderdome. Vanta Black ended up lynched that day and Chaos was poisoned the next night, while you got a pass all the way to endgame.

I'm concerned the same thing could've happened with Porscha (wolf) v Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town): the Porscha wagon collapsed into an Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town) final thunderdome where we lynched falcon45caand now we're resolving Alison while Porscha gets away.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:34 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Hmmm

Sableye;6246067 wrote:I guess my lucy townread had to do with her actions not making sense from wolf, like claiming VT right out of the gate. I also kinda agreed when someone said her reactions felt genuinely frustrated town.

These two posts are remarkably similar lol.

Pretty sure my townread on Lilypetal is structured a lot differently than my lucy townread on the other game. Here I expressed the reason why I townread Lilypetal and also pointed something I was concerned about her. That other game I only listed reasons to townread lucy without any drawback.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:12 am Hell I guess I pushed Lilypetal remorselessly a lot D1 because of her entrance. I feel like I would be inclined to just ignore my partner's entrance or just be quick to drop suspicions about them.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:48 am Okay here are some quotes from Creature from this game Lucy has pulled irt how he treats teammates (August this year so very recent, probably Creature's most recent wolfrand).

It's not even close to my most recent wolfrand. I guess I ended up playing fairly suboptimally there because I was alting and the deadlines were so long I often got bored.

My most recent non-mash wolfrand was Something Simple which had a 48/24 deadline format just like this game. If you're suspecting Alison and I are partnered this game is an even better comparison because I was wolfing with Alice Liddell and I deem both Alison and Alice to be strong (wolf) players so you can just compare my treatment of them.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:21 am Also I remember Alison was very frustrated at Twice Shrunk for burning all his towncred to defend her in the Spec Chat game. If we were wolf partners I feel like I've been defending her so much she'd want to marry Twice Shrunk after this game.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:27 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:54 am mac, don’t go off his play around me, i was mafia poisoned and wagon d1
he tried to and successfully spewed me town
his play would logically be different this game in compared to around me that game

There's this too. I feel like I would've prob bussed lucy that game if lucy wasn't the wolf's strongest role by far.

I ended up making shit up so I could save lucy and I knew that would probably make me look bad. I ended up just taking advantage of town unaligning lucy and me because I defended her vehemently.

Also I ended up pushing my other two partners a lot trying to spew them town when lucy and I both eventually were lynched.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:20 pm @MacDougall still alison before creature?

Yes I think so. If we don't flip her and Creature flips town the gamestate will deteriorate awfully.

Alison being town gives us nearly as much info as her mafia flip would.

Either way I do think I'd want to chop Creature next.

I tend to feel like Arogame and SPF are more viable partners to Creature especially though than the likes of Porscha or Rondo as Alison is proclaiming.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:09 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:06 pm Man though, why am I getting PTSD vibes back to CvD when Alison voted themselves right before lylo lmfao. Damn.

Anyone who has played with Alison before when she is mafia, has she done t his type of thing before?

@lucy just curious, what's your current read on Alison?

i’m seeing town alison here, but also i think creature might’ve spewed her town and it’s not actually absolute tbh
i’m only going creature/alison today, anything else is throwing

Can you quote your link me your creature case? I will look over it in a bit.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:12 am Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:06 pm Man though, why am I getting PTSD vibes back to CvD when Alison voted themselves right before lylo lmfao. Damn.

Anyone who has played with Alison before when she is mafia, has she done t his type of thing before?

@lucy just curious, what's your current read on Alison?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:24 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:02 pm I mean sheeping is a legit and often good way to play but

It certainly isn't mandatory obviously, and some of the arguments being made here are kinda gross

I have immense distaste

which arguments do you view as gross rn?

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:40 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:23 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:22 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:44 am @Boquise how busy are you, normally you’d be solving like mad and come to independent conclusions

i am currently having classes and I am writing flavour. I have written a thing in this topic that I am waiting to see what happens with tbh
I will solve more when I am not working tbh
rn i am eyeing the thread when i have the time tbh

got an estimation when we can live chat?

perhaps in 6-7 hours tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:22 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:44 am @Boquise how busy are you, normally you’d be solving like mad and come to independent conclusions

i am currently having classes and I am writing flavour. I have written a thing in this topic that I am waiting to see what happens with tbh
I will solve more when I am not working tbh
rn i am eyeing the thread when i have the time tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:22 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:44 am @Boquise how busy are you, normally you’d be solving like mad and come to independent conclusions

i am currently having classes and I am writing flavour. I have written a thing in this topic that I am waiting to see what happens with tbh
I will solve more when I am not working tbh
rn i am eyeing the thread when i have the time tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:08 am i just don’t see that team not killing you or spf tbh