The Syndicate

Thanks! Really appreciate the atmosphere in these games. Of all the sites since my homesite exodus, this one feels like the one where this game is played the most genuinely, still. The design inspires a certain no-nonsense attitude.
Players in this game seemed very level-headed.

Hope to find that certain ‘unexplainable‘ component again (real or not) in a game, eventually. This game is a healthy hobby with learning opportunities. Many about oneselves.

Sometimes I write and it doesn‘t seem like it was me who did, in hindsight. I turn into a sock puppet.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:34 pm I had actually correctly solved vivax before Sloonei did (I finally got one right!) but I thought I could sneak his lynch in based on some in thread stuff he had said.

Hi sig

Big thanks to the hosts obviously. Very dedicated and nice writing, but they may have underestimated the social burnout from this summer in regards to special events. My conscience went downhill when I didn‘t submit a song, but not as much as it would have, had I rolled mafia.

I‘m probably weird cause I appreciate a reasonable amount of creative rudeness when it‘s not angleshooty or crosses red lines.

Best civs were Kate, Scotty, SVS/DH imo
Golden best scum easily
And me best third party without a shred of doubt

I should opt for keeping it simple and not be overly perceptive or overly associative like when I cased sig and made a castle of a case out of thin air.

But the possibilities to look at things differently do seem to be endless, after all.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:23 pm @Vivax I really enjoyed playing with you. You were a sharp player and I'm certain if I was civ I would have had you in my town core and really pushed forward. You were very perceptive.

And @Michelle you were a great teammate who was so gracious when I had to bus you and I'm glad we got to meet this way.

Nice to meet and get to paly with both of you.

Thanks a lot. Impressive ramp up in productivity on your part towards the end.
I guess in hindsight you were hard to spot because your tone was similary aloof to the other players.

Post game is where I could learn the most from this, given the motivation.
First time I tried old school after so many years of mafia and it was great compared to setups with roleclaims and obvitowning. Wouldn‘t mind another go at some point.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:52 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:51 pm Glad I got NKd. Don‘t think I‘d have picked the right one or survived the day.
gg Golden!

Thanks for being a great sounding board, partner!

Likewise, it was awkwardly painful when you got killed again lol.

Glad I got NKd. Don‘t think I‘d have picked the right one or survived the day.
gg Golden!

Don‘t panic when you see phallic shaped objects in the sky. Could just be a certain someone‘s big toe.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm Michelle‘s going nuclear

This post didn‘t age well either as of this day.

Golden with the syndicate premium features. I can‘t use that thing :/

I couldn‘t have laid my reasons out better than this.
You turned one blind eye to Michelle while the other was painfully open, staring at rules you weren‘t supposed to be aware of, or be able to assume.

You‘re just nitpicking at the response to a parcour of strawmen put in front of me at this point.

When you see Sloonei going whack a mole on flipped mafia it makes you wonder why you should have been the exception on the following pages.

Far from NAI page 1.
Or Quin saying justice for dog aka sig.
Feels like there‘s insider jokes about that make more sense as the game goes on.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:44 pm Vivax reaosning for voting me is extremely bad and a push that quite frankly came from nowhere

It didn‘t come from nowhere.
Just the first page of the game put me into a new mindset to look at the game, specifically seeing Sloonei in a new light.
Then I re-evaluated what I already found suspicious with the new information from the Michelle flip in mind and reached said conclusions.

Feeling confident about them too. Unless there‘s TMI afloat where it shouldn‘t be.

As for Golden‘s question:
Iirc without checking my ISO I mostly sheeped legacies of my stronger townreads to decide to vote Quin.
In the Quin vs Michelle situation I played devil‘s advocate for Quin when Wilgy hinted at preferring Michelle iirc, but didn‘t follow up on it.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:04 pm votes aren't changeable, so the fact that you already voted makes me feel just a bit better about you vax. Are you not going to be around the rest of the day?

On phone so no big shiny posts. But I'll be lurking.
I figured at this point we're just sheeping Sloonei onto his D1 reads. I was hoping to find something more material to prove sig's alignment and that this was it.
For one I am glad that tonally the gamestate has improved. I am susceptible to changes in context in how I interact with other people (as we all are to some degree).

So what rule could Michelle have possibly broken ? Maybe there's something we don't know from the OP, like Dead Red being responsible for choosing the mafia factional kill. Not unlikely the Fingersplints kill was randed or otherwise chosen.

In simpler terms: He unwittingly summed up reasons that made Michelle obvious mafia to other mafia, but used them in reverse to clear DF instead.

Since Michelle voted but got insanified, sig should've been able to infer she was mafia from his own assumptions.
DF didn't vote and got insanified.

At first glance we had two insanified players on D2. One voted, one didn't. No visible grounds for any assumption that it's nonvoting that insanifies players.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

These posts from around the phase where we limmed bea suggest sig held some extra info. Additionally, he's listing scenarios that don't aim at reaching any conclusion in the first post. In the second, he cleared DF under the assumption mafia will try to prevent their mates from not voting.
That should have been invalidated to him when we flipped Michelle, who was insanified on D2 iirc. Did Sig use the same rationale when we limmed DF? No. But that's to be expected even for a town.
Why did he clear DF but not Michelle for the same reason ? My guess would be that he avoided trying to clear teammates, but conf-bias alert on this.

Oh wait. Michelle voted Eloh on D1, was insanified on D2. Sig assumed nonvoting town got insanified.
He made that up to cover up that he was leaking info, of course he didn't pay attention to Michelle's actions while writing this not having a reason to look for mafia among his teammates.

Up next: Point 3 of his first post contains a sentence too much. Is it possible mafia forgot an action ? Sure. Where did the idea of them being punished for it come from ? They have 1-shot roles, which to an uninformed civ suggests the timing of the usage is free for them to choose as well as the usage overall.
So I believe that there's a rule that dictates mafia roles that can submit every night have to do so, and that sig was aware of it when he wrote this post.

Sig and Michelle were both insanified. For all we know that could have been Tangrowth's doing, or one or more hidden rules on how to post in this game (Minimum amount of posts? Minimum amount of words etc?)

Maybe there's other points I'm not seeing or thinking of but these feel like viable posts to pinpoint sig from and if you notice anything else, feel free to pile it on and choo-choo.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:35 pm I think DF is a good vote for today, the only most likely to be mafia imo. But, have we cleared wilgy? I still think the last mafia is a low poster.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:56 pm It's sloonei or vivax for me. I'dlike to hear form both of them why I should think they are civ. Golden's point on Sloonei are pretty damning. And I just can't shake the feeling that vivax is no good.

If I were mafia here I'd have to nightkill into Sloonei and you (Eloh), not Wilgy or Scotty. I don't know where you got the notion that the last mafia is a low poster. But the idea of yours disappeared after we got DF's flip. Maybe because he was the last one remaining (aside from you if we want to use that description)?

Sloonei early seems to have had his eye on Quin and G-Man off the bat and then on sig too. So either very early bussing or god reads in sig mafia world.
Sig mentioned the remaining mafia member's role on D1 so either he had the role and it influenced his posting, or it's just a coincidence that it stuck out to him that much.

It's hard today as it looks like everyone has something to them at this point that makes them valid guesses. I suspect Golden the least, still.

Thank you for your response. I thought the mafia may be low posters bc G seemed to be frustrated like he was handling the mafia roles all on his own. Said low poster mafia could have stepped up their game as numbers dwindled.

If my memory serves be correctly, early bussing was common for mafia just for this reason. So people can look back into the early days and say, "oh, but he suspected so-and-so. They couldn't be teammates. I don't trust that. Mafia always used to throw names out early on, teamies or not, just so they had a seaming foundation to build a case on anyone. What are your thoughts on this?

You're welcome.
Judging by how the flipped mafias behaved, mostly avoiding to talk to much about each other, I doubt Sloonei would endanger his team like that. I'm generally of the opinion that bussing is never convenient. Town cred is too flimsy and short-lived when the options dwindle. Sloonei should know that too if he were mafia.

I have noticed that sig stepped up his activity on the day we limmed Michelle, so that would fit into your description of a mafia upping the anthe into lategame when they become more forced to act.

Though it likely will be sig because Eloh has a certain *thing* going on for herself from D1.

Eloh mentioned in her point c) of a D1 post that she expects mafia to have early super reads as a possibility, so I can see why she's still suspicious of Sloonei. I don't know why she trusts sig to be town, what if she even had a point very early into D1 before feeling like retracting the read ?

I refuse to believe Sloonei is mafia here. The way he feels like he found something here looks too genuine and I don't think he comes in swinging at his teammates.

I think I'm ride or die sig and elo for last elims. Need to read more before making up my mind on which one to vote for today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:33 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:24 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:23 pm Bea‘s avi looks like a croupier kitty. Tone worries me a bit.

May move Sloonei to town for that certain ballsiness, but I suspect theirs is some lazy meta read from being used to seeing me post more energetically.

Have we met before this game?

I‘m not sure how you‘d conclude I was posting too safely, otherwise. Because it‘s an accurate way to read me sometimes.

If not, it won‘t matter after a while depending on which facet of insanity helps me make my posts at a given moment.

Interesting.

The safety read was just a general sense I came up with when looking at your posts. What makes you say it’s accurate?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:35 pm I think DF is a good vote for today, the only most likely to be mafia imo. But, have we cleared wilgy? I still think the last mafia is a low poster.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:56 pm It's sloonei or vivax for me. I'dlike to hear form both of them why I should think they are civ. Golden's point on Sloonei are pretty damning. And I just can't shake the feeling that vivax is no good.

If I were mafia here I'd have to nightkill into Sloonei and you (Eloh), not Wilgy or Scotty. I don't know where you got the notion that the last mafia is a low poster. But the idea of yours disappeared after we got DF's flip. Maybe because he was the last one remaining (aside from you if we want to use that description)?

Sloonei early seems to have had his eye on Quin and G-Man off the bat and then on sig too. So either very early bussing or god reads in sig mafia world.
Sig mentioned the remaining mafia member's role on D1 so either he had the role and it influenced his posting, or it's just a coincidence that it stuck out to him that much.

It's hard today as it looks like everyone has something to them at this point that makes them valid guesses. I suspect Golden the least, still.

If I read P1 correctly, Sloonei is town, but also ‚special‘

Cain and Abel remastered and inverted: Cheeky little brother provokes big brother until he tries to murder him, but the attempt fails as big brother discovers it was a hologram and that they live in the belly of a snake that encompasses the world.
The magical mirror that turns some into inverted versions of themselves when they look into it. Just like a retina works. But the snake doesn't bother with the occipital post-processing of the image, turning the entire world upside-down from what it used to be.

Question to other town :

When you just reread P1 while keeping in mind what the remaining mafia role is, who would you think it was?

Not gonna lie I have no confidence whatsoever on my last guess and have to reread a metric buckton of material.
Wilgy kill made me sus sig initially (maybe you've caught the little wordsplay with 'signature') but that on its own is just a crappy way of trying to figure it out.
Another thing that comes to mind is Quin calling my performance stellar during D1 which makes me think M!Sloonei isn't out of this world.

Golden I'll treat as town based on a lot of believable uncertainty and posts that'd just be utterly pointless for a last remaining mafia to make.
As for his question, I'll get back to it once I've reread. Off the top of my head I don't read too much into Sloonei's D1 tunnel.

Looks a bit like a signature kill
The game flavour tells quite a bit about the players too sometimes and is an enjoyable read.

Poll isn’t working for me. Not clickable

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:01 pm None of you have to read my self-indulgent claptrap

I printed it out and hung it in the livingroom

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:27 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:02 pm Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

In a game where I was mafia in I think the night before lylo, G-Man did a gambit where he dared the killer to kill him (knowing that if he was alive, he’d get lynched), and said if the killer didn’t kill him, he’d call that person ‘coward’ for the rest of time.

It’s Economics mafia if you want to go find it. Probably my best ever performance as any faction.

Ballsy play from G-Man there. And you took the trade, which is fair.
I think that House Frey of the twins are cowards. Hospitality is sacred in most cultures.
Martin sure knows how to upset his readers.

Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

DJ's in town tonight. Might check in on phone around EoD.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Legacy wise it’s a bit messy as Kate sussed Sloonei and SVS Wilgy, but am optimistic that it’s over with DF.
The whole deer family offtopic seemed weird/cryptic but feh (aren’t they rather solitary too?)

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:41 am DF is definitely the most straightforward answer.

If he isn’t mafia though then things get a bit more tricky

The biggest play against Wilgy is he threw the vote away from Michelle (dead red) onto Quin. But, I think Quin could’ve weathered another day better than Michelle so that doesn’t make any sense.

Agree, the EoD and switch was NAI at most. The simplest explanation is that we're both town for playing around with our votes in a SvS wagon situation. An extra night of alive dead red is hardly going to cause a magical turnaround for them.
Totally not suggesting I'm reading into my own alignment

I see Wilgy already voted and doesn't mind the occasional tinfoiling on him

DF would be my choice for today. This rationale from before the Michelle flip should support that.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

To be quite frank, whoever submitted that kill sold their soul to the ignominable

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:08 pm Pour one out for Scotty.

Friend's birthday today, but I'm definitely going to be pouring one out for Scotty, as should anyone else. Unconditional generousity and kindness is a rarity that's worth being treasured

Got a bad hunch that Fingers was jailkeeper/Kate

Maybe this is the game the millennium bug manifests itself in and becomes consciousss

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:10 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:09 pm The poll is over for sure, don‘t know about the day. I‘m in my doomsday bunker

I saw 10 Cloverfield Lane and now all can see you as is John Goodman

lmao

The poll is over for sure, don‘t know about the day. I‘m in my doomsday bunker

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try a clutch Michelle save. At the cost of looking like an idiot if I'm wrong

Right, we in manual mode, but it's hard to see through.

And Michelle, you forgot to vote in the poll I think. Or it's bugged again ?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:29 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:17 pm Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin

The fine print is that Elo and Fara aren‘t really participating with their votes yet.

So I‘m not sure that it‘s such a good place.

We’ll I’m only taking solace that Elo dabbed out with insanification because she doesn’t want to talk insanified…

Yet here she is not voting again…and life is a circle

Maybe it‘s my location, but life‘s more like walking up a mountain and descending it with blisters on your feet because the shoes you picked were the wrong size.

No, Wilgy + Mich doesn‘t make much sense to me.
Unless Wilgy is extremely confident.

Has to be Golden + W.
One gives peeps rashes and the other licks his victims

Don‘t think it‘s sig.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:17 pm Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin

The fine print is that Elo and Fara aren‘t really participating with their votes yet.

So I‘m not sure that it‘s such a good place.

Because silent nights:

It‘s important to have Wilgy explain why not Golden and for Golden the why not Wilgy or why Michelle.

The typo one was a joke. An extra S doesn‘t make anyone sscum

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:58 pm You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.

Your writing is good enough that you don‘t look dyslexic.
Either way, I don‘t plan to make fun of that.

You sure you don‘t have a rare case of the shining over there?

If Quin had a gold allergy, why‘d he go on a Llama hunting safari ?