The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:13 pm Awesome, will be back to vote for Scotty tomorrow.

Night all!

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:10 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:14 pm My worst fear right now is that Kyle is a patsy and Epi is pulling the oil over our eyes by being so magnanimous.

I’d like to just believe that Kyle is bad tho. It just makes more sense to me.

I’m very interested as to what his first role is.

There's nothing magnanimous about my approach. Is my logic solid or is it not? Are there holes in it? Did you kill yourself?

It’s not that it’s not solid, it’s that you’ve been the Clarence to my Jimmy Stewart. Magninamous towards me I mean.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:42 pm Dammit, Epi's analysis is airtight. Vote Kyle aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:14 pm My worst fear right now is that Kyle is a patsy and Epi is pulling the oil over our eyes by being so magnanimous.

I’d like to just believe that Kyle is bad tho. It just makes more sense to me.

I’m very interested as to what his first role is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:38 am why do you think spacedaisy is more likely to be even than Scotty?

Check it:

Fact: Long Con knew the name of the tribe he was not on.

Implication: Long Con had a team member (an Evil Even) on Cerberus.

Fact: An Evil Even on Cerberus killed Scotty Night 2.

Implication: Someone on the original Cerberus tribe killed Scotty.

Fact: Unless Scotty killed himself, only Boomslang, INH, Kylemii, Sloonei, or Spacedaisy could have carried out this wicked deed.

Implication: One of the above is an Evil Even who killed Scotty Night 2.

Fact: Scotty, Kylemii, Sloonei, and Sapcedaisy joined Pikachu when the button was pushed.

Fact: Two Pikachu Evil Evens were dead by Night 8.

Fact: sprityo was killed Night 8.

Implication: One of the people to join Pikachu killed sprityo.

Conclusion: Scotty's Night 2 killer is still alive and should be hunted down and brought to justice.

Fact: It astounds me that three people are willing to lynch Scotty before searching for his killer (except I guess INH who thinks Scotty is as awesome as the guy who killed Hitler).

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:38 amdo you think the details in the rule lists implying changes in alignment after death are just red herrings?

I think so. All of the Marmot / Wilgy / Lorab interactions looked 100% teammate compatible from the beginning, for example. I don't think any of them turned.

And what's more, if I died and came back on a team I helped wreck, that'd be shit.

What is your opinion of Boomslang?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:38 am why do you think spacedaisy is more likely to be even than Scotty?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:38 amdo you think the details in the rule lists implying changes in alignment after death are just red herrings?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:13 pm Boomslang, insertnamehere, Kylemii, Scotty, Sloonei, and Spacedaisy.

One of these right here had to have killed Scotty.

If you are voting Scotty, which one of these names killed Scotty Night 2?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:23 am *sigh*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 amWho is the Cerberus member who killed Scotty Night 2?

give me a list of what players originated on cerberus that are still alive and we can talk about it. i don't remember everyone who was there other than like.... Scotty, and Sloonei.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:53 pmScotty stayed in Cerberus until the button was pushed. Like everybody else there. Him getting killed didn't usher him on to Pikachu, as your comma implies.

"Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever"

What does "Scotty becomes Cerberus" even mean?

jesus fuck dude

i think you can figure out based on context that I meant Scotty becomes an evil even.

Fine.

Who is the Cerberus member who killed Scotty Night 2?

Why aren't you hunting for that Cerberus member?

And why have you not applied this thinking to any other person who has been Night killed heretofore?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:08 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:58 pm I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

No interest in a civilian win. If you are good, your priority should be making your ideas and opinions clear. You have not done that. You have said the most obscure shit I've ever seen in Mafia.

You are bad.

And if you aren't bad, it still won't be Scotty lynched. It will be Spacedaisy.

This is the kind of attitude that makes me okay with dying.

A win will happen with or without me being alive for it. If I need to die to prove that Scotty is the one who killed sprityo then that's okay. That's an acceptable and pragmatic sacrifice, and ultimately better for my mental health than pounding my head against a brick wall which is seemingly the only alternative.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:53 pmScotty stayed in Cerberus until the button was pushed. Like everybody else there. Him getting killed didn't usher him on to Pikachu, as your comma implies.

"Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever"

What does "Scotty becomes Cerberus" even mean?

jesus fuck dude

i think you can figure out based on context that I meant Scotty becomes an evil even.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:58 pm I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 pm @Epignosis please chill out.

your question was ambiguous, that's not my fault.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

"Better paths to search?"

What?

"But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess"

What?

it's math, Epignosis.

Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:14 pm Epi, who do you think killed sprityo?

Kylemii or Spacedaisy.

I said that in one of them big ass posts awolago.

I agree that one of these two is the best option.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:14 pm Epi, who do you think killed sprityo?

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:39 pm D9:

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:50 am Obviously, I don't like anyone voting me for joining a train on a reasonable case. Cbob, that means you. Scotty has been supertown this whole game, can't get that mad at him for complaining about my low engagement recently. Trying to get caught up, but also going out of town again this weekend :/

Why should he be judged for joining a train? Also, I’ve been supatowning this whole game. But don’t worry, you avoided both trains yesterday, and I’m suddenly not a supatown at all in your eyes.

Oh, here’s something funny.

Guess who didn’t post at all on N10?
Guess who didn’t “show up” to kill someone N10?



Awful coincidences, don’t you think?

Ok, this is a major stretch. If I were bad, you think that I wouldn't instruct my teammates to send in a kill on a day I knew I wasn't going to be around? Why do I have to be the one to send in the kill? You're making assumptions to fit your narrative and calling them "revelations."

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:01 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 pm And do you have a problem with my defense of Scotty?

Both your defense and my attack of Scotty rely on mucho assumptions. I think that those assumptions aside, his in-thread content points more to him being bad. I'd hope that people would read his stuff and my analysis of his stuff and come to the same conclusion.

You don't think he's Strex. You think he killed himself when nutella and Long Con could have killed me or S~V~S (they did end up killing her) or any number of wonderful people on Pikachu.

Your perspective is that despite all that, Long Con and nutella said, "Sure Scotty, go ahead and kill yourself Night 2, burn your first life, show yourself to be an originally evil insanifier from BSG which, at this stage of the game, won't look good for you, and then carry on as you were."

Come on man. That team is a mess. It isn't that big of a mess.

I get the feeling that I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change my mind, despite both of us understanding each other's viewpoints.

Is the red in fact your perspective?

sure man whatever

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:46 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 pm And do you have a problem with my defense of Scotty?

Both your defense and my attack of Scotty rely on mucho assumptions. I think that those assumptions aside, his in-thread content points more to him being bad. I'd hope that people would read his stuff and my analysis of his stuff and come to the same conclusion.

You don't think he's Strex. You think he killed himself when nutella and Long Con could have killed me or S~V~S (they did end up killing her) or any number of wonderful people on Pikachu.

Your perspective is that despite all that, Long Con and nutella said, "Sure Scotty, go ahead and kill yourself Night 2, burn your first life, show yourself to be an originally evil insanifier from BSG which, at this stage of the game, won't look good for you, and then carry on as you were."

Come on man. That team is a mess. It isn't that big of a mess.

I get the feeling that I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change my mind, despite both of us understanding each other's viewpoints.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 pm And do you have a problem with my defense of Scotty?

Both your defense and my attack of Scotty rely on mucho assumptions. I think that those assumptions aside, his in-thread content points more to him being bad. I'd hope that people would read his stuff and my analysis of his stuff and come to the same conclusion.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:49 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:47 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:41 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Too many "could"'s and "I think"'s and assumptions that make asses out of you and I.

Your subjective assumptions of how civilians and baddies would treat you in certain situations seems irrelevant from my perspective.

My perspective is irrelevant, got it.

Continuing to vote for INH.

When you only judge things from a highly subjective standpoint, and don't even try to be objective, sure.

Sorry for not aligning with your playstyle. You have a pattern of scumreading those that don't (me, Kyle, Boom) and townreading those that do (Scotty).

How are you being objective?

I'm not judging people based on their in-thread treatment of me, which is my main problem with Sloonei's defense of Scotty.

And how are you judging people? Objectively?

I'm not judging people based on how they treat me. I think that's more objective than what Sloonei has said. I never claimed to be utterly objective, I just said that Sloonei's statement was so subjective that it held no worth for me.

semantic nonsense arguments are fun

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:47 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:41 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:24 pm

this is absolutely worthless to me

Why?

Too many "could"'s and "I think"'s and assumptions that make asses out of you and I.

Your subjective assumptions of how civilians and baddies would treat you in certain situations seems irrelevant from my perspective.

My perspective is irrelevant, got it.

Continuing to vote for INH.

When you only judge things from a highly subjective standpoint, and don't even try to be objective, sure.

Sorry for not aligning with your playstyle. You have a pattern of scumreading those that don't (me, Kyle, Boom) and townreading those that do (Scotty).

How are you being objective?

I'm not judging people based on their in-thread treatment of me, which is my main problem with Sloonei's defense of Scotty.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:46 pm this is when a game's worth of irritation just messily goes everywhere, basically.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:41 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:16 pm Another point about Scotty that is relevant to my read of him, but which I could not/did not want to talk about before today is that he seemed to perceive that I could hold a powerful role going back a long way (I think I first noticed it when we were still in the tribal phase). He never made a big deal of this, but he made subtle mentions of it which (I think) I picked up on and which told me he thought my role could be having a significant effect on my play/the game in general. This eventually manifested itself in his hesitence toward lynching me a few days ago.

If Scotty is bad, he silently makes a note of my potential power role and then disposes of me as quickly as possible.

this is absolutely worthless to me

Why?

Too many "could"'s and "I think"'s and assumptions that make asses out of you and I.

Your subjective assumptions of how civilians and baddies would treat you in certain situations seems irrelevant from my perspective.

My perspective is irrelevant, got it.

Continuing to vote for INH.

When you only judge things from a highly subjective standpoint, and don't even try to be objective, sure.

Sorry for not aligning with your playstyle. You have a pattern of scumreading those that don't (me, Kyle, Boom) and townreading those that do (Scotty).

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:42 pm Epi, your spirited defense of Scotty, insisting that he couldn't have gained any credibility from killing himself is probably exactly what he was hoping for when he killed himself.

Killing yourself is pouring a biiiig glass of WIFOM on top of anyone's suspicions of you being from a certain team. TBH, that was my first thought when I saw that this game would have both extra lives and baddie teams: some crazy fucker's gonna be scum and get himself nightkilled in order to appear civ.

This be the Game of Champions, the game of massive gambits and balls-to-the-wall play. This would be a balls to the wall move, one that I believe Scotty is crazy enough to try.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:16 pm Another point about Scotty that is relevant to my read of him, but which I could not/did not want to talk about before today is that he seemed to perceive that I could hold a powerful role going back a long way (I think I first noticed it when we were still in the tribal phase). He never made a big deal of this, but he made subtle mentions of it which (I think) I picked up on and which told me he thought my role could be having a significant effect on my play/the game in general. This eventually manifested itself in his hesitence toward lynching me a few days ago.

If Scotty is bad, he silently makes a note of my potential power role and then disposes of me as quickly as possible.

this is absolutely worthless to me

Why?

Too many "could"'s and "I think"'s and assumptions that make asses out of you and I.

Your subjective assumptions of how civilians and baddies would treat you in certain situations seems irrelevant from my perspective.