The Syndicate

Wow [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] you did really well! After I died I was hoping people would see through your declining to claim even your character. Tony - I think it was Tony - pushed it but you didn't budge. I went through most of the game thinking you were town and didn't suspect you until my last day. And congrats also to [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] and [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]. Radish, that was the most unlucky vig shot for you I've ever seen ( [mention]Long Con[/mention] good work! ) and MP7 you were just in a no win position but you almost pulled it out. Good game scummers!

And guys remember, this is just how my town game works. I'm not a good Day 1 player, I ask questions and don't seem to do anything with the answers sometimes because I'm assessing and putting pieces together in my head. And I was telling the truth, even though I was dead tired I would have never left Jack with my vote as scum.

Hosts, [mention]MacDougall[/mention] and Epi good game, even though I was under siege most of the time it doesn't mean I didn't appreciate your game. The roles were fun and funny. I would have liked to spend some of the time role playing. Looking forward to playing with you all again!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:33 pm It's not impossible for him to trick me again. He has done it once. But even early game, he's looked way better than in the game he was bad. He's been scumhunting from Day 2. In the other game the only thing he did was act arrogant to other people for not reading his mind.

And really, I see no reason why a mafia would bother to try to direct me to MP when they could just vote MP like he did and then go in radio silence when I asked for directions, and later blame me for what happened. He could have his cake and eat it, and he didn't.

I think you guys are putting too much stock in individual PoEs when those vary from person to person and can change every day. And juliets continues to be everyone and their dog's second biggest suspect. Because none of us know how to read juliets, so we are letting her coast through a whole game while not participating in the scum lynches while we argue which one of the rest bussed a mafioso.

What do you mean not participate in the scum lynches? Let me refresh your memory: Night 1 I voted sig and I was wrong. Night 2 I voted nutella for self preservation. Night 3 my vote was shared with Jack and it went to MP. I'm willing to listen to what you say about Nanook but you are dead wrong if you think I am mafia and I haven't been on any scum lynches.

Those are town lynches, juliets.

I was explaining the first two, they were typical town votes. The third one was a scum vote. But you know what? Resolve the slot. Just remember the next time you play with me that what you saw here, my towny game, is indeed my town game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:33 pm It's not impossible for him to trick me again. He has done it once. But even early game, he's looked way better than in the game he was bad. He's been scumhunting from Day 2. In the other game the only thing he did was act arrogant to other people for not reading his mind.

And really, I see no reason why a mafia would bother to try to direct me to MP when they could just vote MP like he did and then go in radio silence when I asked for directions, and later blame me for what happened. He could have his cake and eat it, and he didn't.

I think you guys are putting too much stock in individual PoEs when those vary from person to person and can change every day. And juliets continues to be everyone and their dog's second biggest suspect. Because none of us know how to read juliets, so we are letting her coast through a whole game while not participating in the scum lynches while we argue which one of the rest bussed a mafioso.

What do you mean not participate in the scum lynches? Let me refresh your memory: Night 1 I voted sig and I was wrong. Night 2 I voted nutella for self preservation. Night 3 my vote was shared with Jack and it went to MP. I'm willing to listen to what you say about Nanook but you are dead wrong if you think I am mafia and I haven't been on any scum lynches.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:17 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:12 pm But wait @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if there's something specific about DDL that you want to point out then do so. He wasn't even in your POE.

Pay attention to as in listen to. He’s locked town as far as I’m concerned.

Oh sorry I misunderstood. Thanks.

But wait [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] if there's something specific about DDL that you want to point out then do so. He wasn't even in your POE.

Ok, Nanook is my choice as well.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Oh [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], I found it, his idea that we should vote him to see if either you or Tony were scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:30 pm Ok, I seem to be in every poe but mine. Maybe for a civilian win it's time to resolve my slot. If not, it's still going to be here tomorrow and we will be going through the same thing. My fun quotient for this game is like zero, so another day of this will just be even more draining. We can afford a mislynch, I think someone said we could even afford two. When I flip town, I would go with Nanook next.

What’s your poe?

Nanook, Speed, Tony

Talk to me about Hyena.

Hold on, I ruled Hyena out let me look back at why. One thing was trying to get Nanook to vote MR.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:30 pm Ok, I seem to be in every poe but mine. Maybe for a civilian win it's time to resolve my slot. If not, it's still going to be here tomorrow and we will be going through the same thing. My fun quotient for this game is like zero, so another day of this will just be even more draining. We can afford a mislynch, I think someone said we could even afford two. When I flip town, I would go with Nanook next.

What’s your poe?

Nanook, Speed, Tony

Ok, I seem to be in every poe but mine. Maybe for a civilian win it's time to resolve my slot. If not, it's still going to be here tomorrow and we will be going through the same thing. My fun quotient for this game is like zero, so another day of this will just be even more draining. We can afford a mislynch, I think someone said we could even afford two. When I flip town, I would go with Nanook next.

I have to go eat. I have no idea who to vote right now.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] what are your thoughts tonight?

I am having a hard time thinking about lynching speed. I thought I saw towny in the ISO I did and I thought his claim was believable. The one thing that leaves a ? for me is I also know he is an awesome mafia so it leaves me thinking I might have been hoodwinked, but its a small 'might'.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:18 pm I dunno if I have much left to say, honestly. I've given my defense. I've given reads throughout the game. I tire of games where I give legacy reads and everyone ignores them.

I didn't ignore your reads, I promise. And really, I didn't expect you to talk I was more looking for discussion on the JaggedJimmyJay question "why is speed town?"

So nobody I guess except me and speed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:07 pm ... *checks watch*

This is called the silent death.

Ugh yes we need more discussion. Who's here?

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:09 pm Do you honestly think DDL could be Mafia?

I think it's Juliets, but I'll go with you on Speed today.

It's really not me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:53 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:43 pm RL for you would be the need to go to sleep. I don’t think being tired is AI, apparently neither does DDL

Maybe you don't see it that way but if I were tired and mafia I'd damn sure do something to avoid leaving an EOD where there was still a question about where my vote would end up. It's ok though, I've just grown weary of people seeing my town game and still suspecting me so I'm somewhat irritable. I'll try to contain it.

I mean being mafia doesn’t make you magically not tired, yeah? Like it’s just not a meaningful argument imo, sorry.

Fwiw I think you’re less likely than chuck to flip red, in which case I’ll pretend that I never ever doubted you even a little bit.

Lol, thanks for the laugh.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:43 pm RL for you would be the need to go to sleep. I don’t think being tired is AI, apparently neither does DDL

Maybe you don't see it that way but if I were tired and mafia I'd damn sure do something to avoid leaving an EOD where there was still a question about where my vote would end up. It's ok though, I've just grown weary of people seeing my town game and still suspecting me so I'm somewhat irritable. I'll try to contain it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:16 pm But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

That's WIFOM, and also I have to note that the last time someone misused this argument was in this same game, where everyone and their dog said Sloonei couldn't be mafia because he wouldn't abandon his team.

If you have a real life reason to not come and play, you don't come and play, regardless of who your teammates are. Real life comes first.

I already said it was WIFOM but I needed to say it because it's the truth. I don't know what your point about real life has to do with me. That was Sloonei.

People, I'm taking a break for awhile. Will return sometime this afternoon.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:26 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, you say if you were mafia you would have probably distanced from MR on Day 1. You did in fact vote for MR earlier in the evening and then at some point changed your vote, prior to Hyena getting you to vote him. Why shouldn't we consider that as you trying to distance from him?

If you were mafia, it seems like a good way to distance from the other mafia would be to vote for him (MP) yesterday and convince your partner to join you. Why should we believe that didn't happen? (I wasn't there to see how the whole vote went down.)

1. You can read it that way if you want. There isn’t really an argument besides “I’m town,” so. I don’t *think* my vote was on radishes before hyena bargained me there, could be remember wrong though? IIRC I had a jokey LC vote then was on Sig.

2. That isn’t distancing, it’s hard bussing my partner to make the game demonstrably harder to win. I already wasn’t particularly in danger of dying, I don’t think I would really need to kill MP to win if I were scum.

Sorry Nanook, I misremembered that vote for MR - it was for sig, so I was wrong.

And you're right, I used the word "distance" but it would really be a hard bus if it had happened.

I'm just trying to see if I missed things about people because someone I am seeing as town is not. Several of us are in that boat.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention], you say if you were mafia you would have probably distanced from MR on Day 1. You did in fact vote for MR earlier in the evening and then at some point changed your vote, prior to Hyena getting you to vote him. Why shouldn't we consider that as you trying to distance from him?

If you were mafia, it seems like a good way to distance from the other mafia would be to vote for him (MP) yesterday and convince your partner to join you. Why should we believe that didn't happen? (I wasn't there to see how the whole vote went down.)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

I mean, that’s the kind of thing that I’ll believe when we’re not in the middle of a game

I know it's WIFOMy but really, can you see anyone who is mafia leaving the game and leaving their vote in the hands of someone else at EOD? It just doesn't make sense. You don't have to answer, your position is clear I guess.

linki - are you calling my logic flawed? I'm willing to listen and acknowledge if it is but you'll need to explain it to me.

When the alternative is semi-outing yourself, then yes I do think it makes sense lol

So thats the logic you are calling flawed? Not my logic in coming to my POE?

Or someone else can tell me why it's flawed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

I mean, that’s the kind of thing that I’ll believe when we’re not in the middle of a game

I know it's WIFOMy but really, can you see anyone who is mafia leaving the game and leaving their vote in the hands of someone else at EOD? It just doesn't make sense. You don't have to answer, your position is clear I guess.

linki - are you calling my logic flawed? I'm willing to listen and acknowledge if it is but you'll need to explain it to me.

So this clarifies for me: my belief in the non-bus of MR and my belief that Jack is town leaves me with Tony, Nanook, and DDL as possibilities. DDL is universally townread because of his push on MR Day 1 and his letting Nanook guide him to voting MP in 3 minutes. So that leaves Tony and Nanook, both sig voters Day 1.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:20 pm With one scum completely inactive, do any of myself, Hyena, or DDL pull a hard bus on MR D1?

-DDL made the case. He made it well and with conviction.
-I followed the case, campaigned against sig, and convinced Hyena.
-Hyena pushed Nanook to self-preserve on MR, which put MR in the lead at the time.

Do with that what you will. The sig wagon is still mostly alive and that sucks.

I don't believe any of you bussed MR under those circumstances. I said so somewhere way back in this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:21 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:15 am Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

The first can clearly be broken. I think there's something to the second one.

What's a desperado? Is that like giving someone a gun?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:42 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:36 am Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

So is it that you were frustrated in that one and you are frustrated here? I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just trying to understand why memories of that game might affect you in this one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:36 am Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:54 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:49 am I also don't like that juliets is trying to get the entire town to claim.

At this point, any claim from someone not in danger of being lynched benefits the mafia.

I am NOT trying to get people to claim their ability. Just their character. I don't see how that benefits the mafia in the least.

If the flavor is related to the role, it can be a hint.

And if it's not related to the role at all, then why are we claiming again?

At best, nothing happens. At worst, it helps mafia decide who to kill.

I'd have to look back at everyones role and ability but my ability is not related to my role at all. The reason for getting people to claim is the mafia roles seem distinctively different from the civ roles, so the mafia has to either lie or maybe has a safe claim. I'm all for pushing the mafia to lie if possible. People can get caught in lies.

Ok I do see the DDL push of MR on Day 1. Seems like so long ago.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:49 am I also don't like that juliets is trying to get the entire town to claim.

At this point, any claim from someone not in danger of being lynched benefits the mafia.

I am NOT trying to get people to claim their ability. Just their character. I don't see how that benefits the mafia in the least.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:42 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

D1 radish push looked really good. He also initiated the MP switch for the DDL/Nanook crew yesterday, as I understand it.

On the last item, DDL said this morning that Nanook initiated the change to MP. He (DDL) didn't come back into the thread until there were only about 3 minutes left and agreed with Nanook to change to MP. I'll check out his Radish push on Day 1. I thought there was something else though that was more definitive.

linki but I'm posting anyway.

Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

That's an interesting thought on the Wilgy kill [mention]speedchuck[/mention]. I haven't been able to see any motivation for that kill.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] it would be really helpful for you to respond to speed's ISO of you. Is there a reason you haven't responded to it already?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:20 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:14 pm Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

Thanks for saving me the words.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Yeah and I know you are not voting here but I feel juliets' "not telling Jack to move away from MP" looks less good than Nanook tagging me to make me change to MP and then later convincing me to do it when I showed up 3 minutes before the deadline.

So the decision for you is between me and Nanook?

Regardless, just remember when I flip how often and how adamant I was that I am town. Don't say I didn't work hard enough to dispute these allegations, or that I gave up. Also remember how hard I have worked to try and solve this game.

Hmmm good eye Nanook. That drop-off of Tony is significant. I can't remember personally if MP normally shades his partners - It's been years since he played here. I'll give that high weighting when I reconsider Tony today.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I completely get how your top townread can become a scum read over a few days. Was there anything you can point to that's caused him to drop or is it gut?

I'm going to call it a night and will look back at the ISOs of Tony in the morning. Also interested to see speed's potential new info.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:30 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:24 pm Speed, come vote Tony with me.

Sure.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

And I will actually make the case for Tony being scum tomorrow.

Again.

With added info from yesterday that possibly helps my case.

Oh cool - I'll wait to see the added info tomorrow.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:26 pm Juliets, would you be done to lynch Tony?

Hyena, I ISO'd him as town then really took apart speeds ISO of him and agreed he was probably scum. I need to just revisit that.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] why won't you claim?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:12 pm I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:52 pm I'm kinda lost and I figure my claim to having voted for scum is weaker than everyone else's. Unfortunately. I'm gonna try my best, but if this goes down in a speed lynch, it's better now than in mylo.

And at least I can tunnel Nanook 'till death.

I feel exactly the same, that if I go down now its better than in Mylo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:57 pm @speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

speed, Jack and I shared a vote yesterday and that vote went to MP7 who was mafia. If I had not wanted our vote to go there I would have told him that before I went to bed. So it's incorrect to say I lack votes. I'm not sure what you mean by anti-alignments. And what do you mean by allegiances? I think it's pretty sad that I have been "pretty towny all game" yet I'm at the top of your POE list (and Tony's evidently).

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I know nutella and I both asked him to walk through what he was thinking during that time so that explanation should be in his ISO. I would help you find it but I'm in the middle of something else right now.