The Syndicate

Golden wrote:Rico is going to be permanently ahead of me in no time at all. But my 4/6 was nice while it lasted.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Your messages were inspired, G-Man. Not sure how I couldn't tell they were from you earlier!

Awesome stuff, as always, Rico.

Hey, so now both Rico and Golden are at a win % of 57.14% (4 out of 7 games), right behind Nevinera's 63.64%.

Here's a little fun fact. I am the only person on the Syndicate to be lynched on Day 1 and still win in a game (Biblical Mafia).

Technically Golden did the same in Economics, but he replaced back in to a different role.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Great game Epi. Thanks for hosting! I surely had a blast.

Scotty wrote: But here's the funny thing:
The message sounded so much like mafia chit-chat talking about ika's blowing up and such. Then it said distinctly that "he made a read on me yesterday so I'm going to make him look bad," followed by "I voted for espers to get some cred."

So me, in my dimly lit, World War 2 backwoods bunker thought "oh yis" and went to town looking at who might be attempting to frame someone that day, and who voted for espers.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, the Elo debacle. Yeah, that was a mistake. It was a gambit, really, since I thought I was soon dead meat, people were finding my noncommital and floppy behavior suspicious, and I couldn't get any luck with tracking at night. N1 I track Scotty, he dies. N2, no result, I thought, 'fuck'.

Finally we had luck with Cookie the night right BEFORE I got lynched, but I was silenced and couldn't even hint about it.

Poetic justice after lynching a silenced Elo, I suppose.

For the record, the reason I was playing particularly washy was because I knew, as a tracker, I would eventually have good information. I just never got it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:No, we never tracked Elo. I really thought she was bad and was willing to pull a gambit -- if I was right, then boom, my tracker partner and I were still both alive. If I was wrong, then it gave me another night to check, since otherwise I likely would have been lynched D5.

I tracked juliets N3.

Scotty tracked me on N4.

So you can see why I was frustrated.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I didn't even consider a genuine possibility for why G-Man was so sure.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:- Did G-Man actually have info on Eloh? Was the bet a dirty one? lol

Heh. MP, you can remove the signature regarding our bet if you wish. I made a dirty bet with you. I had just found out Night 4 that Elo was Joey. Elohcin went in alphabetical order: Night 1, she said she wasn't Bass; Night 2, she said she wasn't Cookie; Night 3, she said she wasn't Dragon (okay to skip DharmaHelper because he was lynched Day 3); and Night 4, she said she wasn't G-Man, skipping over herself.

I had been waiting for Joey to skip a name because that would mean Joey was that player. Sure enough, the day I knew Elohcin was innocent was the day MP07 decided to go all guns blazing on her. Had I had another day to work with, I could have come up with reasons for Elo to be trustworthy. Having been peed on by MP07 in Economics, though, I knew nothing was going to stop him. Thus, I decided to knock him down a peg by taking him up on his rhetorical bet. It was a dirty bet all the way but at least I got to re-write a little House of Pain:

G-Man wrote:I'll spam your ass like Rob Soloway
If you vote Elo, I'm looking your way
Word to your mom- my spreadsheet's the bomb
I got more rhymes than BoB's host Dom
And just like the Prodigal Son I've returned
Anyone betting with me- you'll get burned
'Cause I got stats but you ain't got none
If you come to battle bring a shotgun
But if you do you're a fool, 'cause I duel to the death
Trying to step to me you'll take your last breath
I got the skill, come get your fill
'Cause when I place my vote, I vote to kill

espers wrote:so it seems this is over. don't really understand what happened in the endgame (haven't looked through) but congrats to the winners.

sorry i had to drop out, a bit of explanation:

Spoiler: show

i fell ill a couple days before with some kind of stomach bug so i wasn't feeling up for mafia or any kind of protracted effort in general, i told the scum cave and epi this but didn't post it in the thread b/c i thought it'd look like i was trying to get concessions out of pity or something. that thing i said about most of the activity seeming to happen when i was asleep was true too btw. also after that awful sloonei vote d1 i knew i was a goner, which didn't exactly help with motivation lol

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was yelling at my computer screen multiple times during the D6 lynch, especially after Scotty uncovered Cookie knew espers replaced out due to RL (when he never said he had any intention to replace out in the thread). Can't believe I died in a three-way tie.

I've been in TWO three-way lynch ties in my entire mafia career and lost them both.

What do you expect? Russ killed you, after all.

The bastard! That's true! At least it wasn't a coin toss.

You should have been nicer to him.

Like I was.

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was yelling at my computer screen multiple times during the D6 lynch, especially after Scotty uncovered Cookie knew espers replaced out due to RL (when he never said he had any intention to replace out in the thread). Can't believe I died in a three-way tie.

I've been in TWO three-way lynch ties in my entire mafia career and lost them both.

What do you expect? Russ killed you, after all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:My suspicion on MP was one of the worst things I did in this game too.

Truth is, I've heard a few times about how MP tends to get quite angry when he is lynched as a bad. I assumed spotting mafia MP and lynching him would be very exciting, and also very challenging. When I started suspecting him, I let the thrill of the hunt get the best of me and tunneled hard. I also believe bad MP would emulate all the rainbow lists and the endless questions, so I was prepared to see all that as an elaborate play.

Still want to play against baddie MP, btw.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

How would they track Elo and make a full wolf case on her afterwards?

Tracker uses his ability on Eloh.

Epi PMs him back and says "Eloh used an ability on X"

Night ends, X was killed.

Therefore, Eloh is the one who killed X, barring an incredible coincidence.

Ricochet wrote:MP, did you pull anything about of my puzzle for you? :P

Ricochet wrote:12 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

LoRab wrote:*passes zombie popcorn to scotty*

*offers some to MP*

Thanks much!

Here's some wine too.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :P

Well, that's true. Hence "independent". :P

Also, now that I'm dead in this game, I'm pumping myself up for hosting Talking Heads Mafia with a new look.

You ought to be more careful. You're setting a bad example.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :P

Well, that's true. Hence "independent". :P

Also, now that I'm dead in this game, I'm pumping myself up for hosting Talking Heads Mafia with a new look.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?

There were a lot of contests in that game that required MP to be around to answer questions and address other comments. Also, it was an incredibly complex game, so there were more questions upon questions upon questions about the mechanics for him to answer.

Oh, and Turnip Head and I were both unkillable baddies, so we spent a good portion of the game just trolling MP and everyone else.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?

Ricochet wrote:You know what's hilarious?

GOOF-MAN IS NOW ON RORSCHACH'S LIST

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I could definitely see G-Man as Big Figure.

I'm glad you pointed out those who have not voted for a confirmed mafia because I agree that I'll be absolutely FLOORED if you, Bass, or Rico are bad.

I also agree that if mafia kills you tonight, Big Figure is a fucking pussy.

I hate mafia teams in recent games I've played. They always take the easy way out. Actually earn your win, don't chicken out by killing off someone you know you can't lynch. That's pussy play.

G-Man, again, seems a little too easy. I'm less sure than on the Elo thing on him, but for God's sake keep your eyes open this time. You denied tunneling about 86 times and still tunneled yesterday.

And can we please not call people pussies? I'm not the last mafia, and I still find it kind of rude. Also killing unlynchable people is the only way a baddie can possibly win. So they literally don't have a choice but to be a pussy by your definition.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote:Dragon mentioned something similar at one point. There's just something about your posting that doesn't feel authentic this game. It's like you're playing to your meta. You're posting the right amount of content for civ MP07 but when I read your posts, they don't feel genuine. Case in point, your cases on Scotty and Elo were easy for me to tear apart in my mind. I don't know that I've seen that from you yet in a game. Hard to say if it is external factors affecting your game or if I've sniffed you out.

Huh, weird. Well, they are all completely genuine, so I'm not sure where the disconnect is happening.

I would be lying though if I said I don't have a ton that's going on in my life right now. Most of it is of a pleasant nature, of course, but this summer PhD-wise has been very draining. I've consistently been having to fight off burn out. The only reason I've even been playing mafia is to keep myself sane by having at least some social interaction (other than with Annie, of course, which already helps me significantly), as well as something recreational. I haven't been able to make time for much of anything else recreational.

G-Man wrote:Dragon mentioned something similar at one point. There's just something about your posting that doesn't feel authentic this game. It's like you're playing to your meta. You're posting the right amount of content for civ MP07 but when I read your posts, they don't feel genuine. Case in point, your cases on Scotty and Elo were easy for me to tear apart in my mind. I don't know that I've seen that from you yet in a game. Hard to say if it is external factors affecting your game or if I've sniffed you out.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Then, regarding her espers vote on D4, she only cast it after espers's behavior was being called suspicious by the entire thread. I can pull quotes again if you want. Anyway, her vote for espers was actually the LEAST risky move that a teammate could make at that point. It would be much more risky throwing off (like G-Man did onto MM) or casting a vote on LoRab or Cookie, since she could have tied it up, saved espers again, and then once espers eventually flipped, she would have been seen as saving a teammate.

The way she cast the espers / ika vote on D4 was actually brilliant, since it's exactly the move that is currently securing her in everyone's minds right now as NOT an Inmate, but remember that espers had the most votes, tied with DH, on Day 3.

What would have been TRULY risky for her to do would have been to cast that 3rd vote for espers on D3 and sealed his fate then. If she had done that, there's no way I'd be proclaiming her as bad right now, and I'd be in total agreement with you, DDL.

But she didn't do that.

And yet, despite the "entire thread" calling espers/ike suspicious, you flinch and vote for someone else for the SECOND DAY IN A ROW!

You're angry, you're desperate, and you're flailing. You may not be either the inmate or Moloch but frankly, you're not helping and need to be eliminated from this game. I am very strongly leaning towards voting out you and your outbursts. Something feels off about you and has almost all game. I want to believe that it's just the PhD work.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I could definitely see G-Man as Big Figure.

I'm glad you pointed out those who have not voted for a confirmed mafia because I agree that I'll be absolutely FLOORED if you, Bass, or Rico are bad.

I also agree that if mafia kills you tonight, Big Figure is a fucking pussy.

I hate mafia teams in recent games I've played. They always take the easy way out. Actually earn your win, don't chicken out by killing off someone you know you can't lynch. That's pussy play.

The only thing I am guilty of is avoiding being part of a majority vote so I can avoid the wrath of Rorschach. Half of the remaining living players are now on Rorschach's hit list though I wonder if he's still around. Unless he was blocked, I was expecting to see him kill someone Night 4. He could have been merciful but does that mean he can win with that player or will he need to circle back around and kill them later?

As for your comments on the mafia, this game is all about opportunism. Sure, we can call it cowardly or any other adjective we like but the fact is that baddies always have to be rat finks and carefully eliminate their threats. Otherwise, what's the point of playing? Be careful making bold statements like that because you'll make a hypocrite of yourself the next time you're a baddie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This game doesn't have to be won in LYLO everyone. Ignore MP for a second and look at your own reads. Why not lynch the player you find most suspicious as soon as possible?

But seriously, ignore MP for second. I know he is a fan of vomitting all over the thread and taking center stage (no offense intended Sockman). But he was completely wrong about Elohcin, and I disagree with his tactic of "lynching unpredictable or dangerous players" because that in now way incriminates them, and for a baddie who has played a solid game to this point, that is a free pass to LYLO. If you suspect me for being mafia, so be it, but I expect a real case out of it.

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Before I leave, I have a random question for everyone:

Let's say that Epi decided you won some contest and gave you one role check to be used tonight. Which player would you use it on and why?

The reason I ask this question is in realizing that we can only afford 2 more mislynches (3 and we lose) going forward. So I want players to actively think about not only which players seem most likely to be mafia, but also which players would be more unpredictable or dangerous to have around in LyLo.

(for those who are unaware of the terminology, LyLo = Lynch and Lose, and it indicates the lynch/Day period in which, if the civilians mislynch one of their own, they lose the game)

I think this is worth discussing.

Be back later.

Off the top of my head, probably you, LoRab or DDL. Maybe MM, too. I still don't know what to think of him.

But I imagine myself dying of a heart attack if I'd end up in a lylo, because of the tension. We definitely need to do better with lynches from now on. I'd call to focus on Moloch as well, not just say "we'll save him for last after we nail Big Figure". Missing either of them would be extremely detrimental from now on.

G-Man wrote: Personally, I think we should revisit this gem because part of me wants very much to believe that MP07 is trying to pull the biggest swindle I've ever seen.

TIN FOIL READ ON MOVINGPICTURES07:
D1: 11th vote overall, 2nd vote for Scotty. Talks up suspicions of his teammate early and then slowly backs it down with detailed posts on why Sloonei isn't so suspicious after all. It's subtle defense hidden behind personal observations and reasoning. In theory, he shouldn't get called out on back-tracking on Sloonei because he provided oh so much evidence to support his waning suspicions. He then latches onto Bass's suspicions of Scotty and posts a very detailed theory on why Scotty must be bad. See that? He subtly defended Slooeni while trying to stir the pot on Scotty- both times using his big-talker meta as a shield for his wicked intentions. His vote for Scotty has it 2-2 between Niju and Scotty and just one vote behind his teammate. All he needs is one or two followers to take the bait and get then he can castigate them for their votes after the fact. Too bad no one bit. Possibly silenced himself because that's what baddies do when they think they can get away with it.

D2: Misses the vote. He was silenced and couldn't vote but he wastes his silencing because he's not even on the poll so it doesn't build any sympathy for him whatsoever. Maybe he even encouraged espers to skip the vote because- hey, no Inmates on the poll so why even stick our necks out with a vote?

D3: Keeps his teammate in his top tier of suspects and waits until almost the last minute to vote. Why? To see if espers needs his help. He knows he can't vote DH without getting called on it so he votes sideways for one of his other suspects, using Cookie's rough game against her. He tries to pump up the "Cookie is bad!" wavelength something fierce but no one bites. He gets lucky because espers survived the lynch poll tie. Now he needs someone new to rail against alongside Cookie and decides now is the time to use Elo's odd play this game against her.

D4: 9th vote overall, 3rd vote on Cookie. His vote brings Cookie within 1 vote of tying espers/ika. Despite a lot of agreement that espers/ika is bad new, he caves and falls back on Cookie a second day in a row. It's designed to look consistent though because she doesn't look so great and was in MP07's suspect list already. After the flip, he goes hard at pushing his Elo case. He silences her Night 4 and stirs the pot early by voting for her amidst his verbosity. It attracts a second vote before anyone's realized that Elo has been possibly silenced.

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rico said it best earlier in D5 when he said that the lynch of Elo truly was a test of voting records v. gameplay, because Elo looked pretty good in the former (though not perfect) and terrible in the latter. I took a gamble and I was wrong. For derailing the thread and refusing to listen to counterarguments as much as I should have, I apologize.

I also said that Eloh would be extremely easy to cook as Mafia, which was something you did straight out of the D5 gate. I don't have a definitive on you doing that yet (because I bloody fell asleep!), but just sayin'.

G-Man, huh? I think I said that G-Man bussing espers to save DH and earn million cred golds on D3 would be quite preposterous. Not to mention that if Eloh would have focused and kept good on her promise to GTH vote G-Man, he would also have ended up in the tie. Interesting to see a different spin on those events.