I would kill you.Scotty wrote:At the same time I think mafia would be cowardly to kill me tonight.
Who would you kill tonight if you were mafia, GMan?
Rhetorical, of course.
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This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.
Now.
Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.
Now.
Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I would kill you.Scotty wrote:At the same time I think mafia would be cowardly to kill me tonight.
Who would you kill tonight if you were mafia, GMan?
Rhetorical, of course.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Ricochet, because his only 'meaningful' vote in the first five days was to push LoRab to 3-4 against espers on Day 4.Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
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Would your opinion of her change if LoRab was actually mafia?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet, because his only 'meaningful' vote in the first five days was to push LoRab to 3-4 against espers on Day 4.Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.
Now.
Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Considering that there is only one mafia left. Yes.Scotty wrote:Would your opinion of her change if LoRab was actually mafia?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet, because his only 'meaningful' vote in the first five days was to push LoRab to 3-4 against espers on Day 4.Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
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Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
(Ricochet is a hehehe)
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Marmot, since you weren't here yesterday, who would you have voted for yesterday if you were allowed?
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DDL.
MP was an evident civ to me (hindsight aside), and I had no reason to vote Cookie. LoRab has dropped off my radar.
MP was an evident civ to me (hindsight aside), and I had no reason to vote Cookie. LoRab has dropped off my radar.
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Huh! This is an interesting answer. I have him as a fairly civvie read, but I haven't actually looked back at all his votes.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet, because his only 'meaningful' vote in the first five days was to push LoRab to 3-4 against espers on Day 4.Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.
Now.
Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
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I'm not following entirely the tracking theories; it seems I'm even unfamiliar with the term. I thought it was a kind of checking, but apparently not (Rorschach also "tracking" made me think even more that he'd check if a guilty voter is good or bad). Anyway, I don't think MP's Elo case was based on tracking, it sounded like a genuine case. A possible hint could be at Russ - (he made a sudden case on him D4, so right after presumably tracking on D3, took the heat off afterwards, then left another suspicious note on him on N5, before being silenced), but I'm not convinced that isn't MP being wary and making a case, either - or Cookie, whom he's left top of his rainbow lists quite consistently (and voted for insistently).
DDL. His hands are filled with blood.Scotty wrote:This question is posed for all involved:
Take a deep breath. Lay down, put your feet off, take your trousers off, as you will.
Attempt to discard any reads you currently have on people. It's hard, I know.
Now.
Looking at votes alone, who is the most suspicious player left, in your opinion and why?
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I'm curious at Ricochet's vote of me yesterday. I recall he was calling me a civ read for most of the game, and I found the change to be kind of sudden. Did something happen in day 5/night 5 to change it? Was it only because of the Elo fiasco?
I realize I need to make an ISO of him, he is a player who has flown past my radar for the entire game.
Yes, I realize this sounds like OMGUS, but something is pinging me here.
I realize I need to make an ISO of him, he is a player who has flown past my radar for the entire game.
Yes, I realize this sounds like OMGUS, but something is pinging me here.
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MM has a point tho, Ricochet spent the game making votes that were pretty useless. Other than the almost saving of espers on Day 4.
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Good point. Isn't that true for everyone, though? If the lynch came down to me with 2 votes and someone else with 1 vote, I'd self-preserve by voting the other person and hope for a chance to survive. I'm sure that everyone else would do the same, inmate, Moloch or not.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I dunno if we should be dwelling too much on vote patterns at this point. With only one inmate left, they have no one to protect but him/herself.
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Are you saying you find it strange that I voted one of my suspects over the other? I don't have 2 votes so I had to choose one of them. I'm confused why you are reading into this so much.Scotty wrote:Ah I see I missed that post. You are correct, you did say that, my bad.Cookie wrote:I explained that when I voted LoRab. I didn't want to lynch someone who couldn't talk and the alternative was to lynch someone else I thought (and still think) is an Inmate.Scotty wrote:Why did you vote for LoRab then if you were so sure?Cookie wrote:Crap. I was so sure he was an Inmate. RIP and sorry.
HMMMMMMMMM?
If you are sure that someone is bad, then why not commit to your read, regardless of a silent treatment?
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My reads of you (DDL) worsened each time, over several days, and I wouldn't say they started from tagging you civ, only not my likely Mafia candidate.
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Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.Scotty wrote:That sentence doesn't make sense.LoRab wrote:So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?Scotty wrote:You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.
Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
But I'm talking about cookie
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No, but they took a quick turn for worse after Night 5.Ricochet wrote:My reads of you (DDL) worsened each time, over several days, and I wouldn't say they started from tagging you civ, only not my likely Mafia candidate.
And I think that, whoever Big Figure is, he's pretty desperate to get me lynched right now.
I really have to make an ISO on you though, because right now I only have his hunch.
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How much desperation is there, though? Only MM and myself have voted for you so far, of the remaining players. I've asked yesterday what read players have on you and the replies have been pretty tame.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, but they took a quick turn for worse after Night 5.Ricochet wrote:My reads of you (DDL) worsened each time, over several days, and I wouldn't say they started from tagging you civ, only not my likely Mafia candidate.
And I think that, whoever Big Figure is, he's pretty desperate to get me lynched right now.
I really have to make an ISO on you though, because right now I only have his hunch.
But I agree that both Big Figure and Moloch can thrive on digging up more graves on the way to lylo or whatever the endgame will take shape. And I firmly believe you fit this profile. If you will get me lynched tomorrow (which I'm increasingly pinged that you are slowly trying to do), you'll get to say "oops. shit. sorry" again, like the last four times. In a row.
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Not sure what I meant. This is why I should only mafia when fully awake--my posts make much more sense.Scotty wrote:That sentence doesn't make sense.LoRab wrote:So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?Scotty wrote:You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.
Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
But I'm talking about cookie
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@Rico: Why would I profit from being directly responsible for mislynches, though? A solo mafia player would just try to remain hidden. Lynch results be danmed.
I mean, if there's any player they are really worried about, they can just night kill them, right? Would it really be worth it for me to tunnel on someone like MP and then being the one who was responsible for taking down the poor sock?
I'm taking a preposterous amount of heat the way I'm playing. And yes, I know this is WIFOM, but I still have to say it.
I mean, if there's any player they are really worried about, they can just night kill them, right? Would it really be worth it for me to tunnel on someone like MP and then being the one who was responsible for taking down the poor sock?
I'm taking a preposterous amount of heat the way I'm playing. And yes, I know this is WIFOM, but I still have to say it.
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The problem with your viewpoint is that its reverse can be just as plausible, in that a mafia member left solo or an LMS can feel that he'll risk detection by staying hidden, sidelining, whatnot, so he'll adopt being in front, hunting, develop a solid gameplay and making it look like his efforts have simply gone awry. That's my profile of you right now, that's all. I'm not automatically adverse to mislynchers - like, say, llama is, given how he hunted my ass and mislynched me for having a stinking vote record and always falling outside the circle of those who caught mafia - but I've said that I don't feel good about you anymore compared to other hunters who didn't bring mafia meat to supper either (even if you did, once, back on D1).
Oh, I'm equally anticipating being night killed for my efforts, as well. I'm doubtful the remaining baddies will let me join them in lylo, if it'll go that far. What you ask regarding night killing is funny, since you did kill me in Guess Who out of worries that I'll be a threat. If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.
And again, I'm not seeing the preposterous heat. You're questioning my votes and reads on you and I'm replying on this matter. Others, except MM, have barely chimed in. I think some have even called you slightly civ.
Oh, I'm equally anticipating being night killed for my efforts, as well. I'm doubtful the remaining baddies will let me join them in lylo, if it'll go that far. What you ask regarding night killing is funny, since you did kill me in Guess Who out of worries that I'll be a threat. If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.
And again, I'm not seeing the preposterous heat. You're questioning my votes and reads on you and I'm replying on this matter. Others, except MM, have barely chimed in. I think some have even called you slightly civ.
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Bullshit.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, but they took a quick turn for worse after Night 5.Ricochet wrote:My reads of you (DDL) worsened each time, over several days, and I wouldn't say they started from tagging you civ, only not my likely Mafia candidate.
And I think that, whoever Big Figure is, he's pretty desperate to get me lynched right now.
I really have to make an ISO on you though, because right now I only have his hunch.
Nobody is "desperate" to get you lynched, or at least not showing it. Ricochet might be the closest, but I think you have created a theory here with the intent of fitting Ricochet into that theory.
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Okay, I exaggerated about the heat thing. My point is, my playstyle is risky, and would at least make people pay attention on me every time a civ got lynched, because I had my hand in every civ lynch in this game (a fact I'm not proud of). This is highly WIFOM-y though, so I'll stop arguing in this direction.Ricochet wrote:The problem with your viewpoint is that its reverse can be just as plausible, in that a mafia member left solo or an LMS can feel that he'll risk detection by staying hidden, sidelining, whatnot, so he'll adopt being in front, hunting, develop a solid gameplay and making it look like his efforts have simply gone awry. That's my profile of you right now, that's all. I'm not automatically adverse to mislynchers - like, say, llama is, given how he hunted my ass and mislynched me for having a stinking vote record and always falling outside the circle of those who caught mafia - but I've said that I don't feel good about you anymore compared to other hunters who didn't bring mafia meat to supper either (even if you did, once, back on D1).
Oh, I'm equally anticipating being night killed for my efforts, as well. I'm doubtful the remaining baddies will let me join them in lylo, if it'll go that far. What you ask regarding night killing is funny, since you did kill me in Guess Who out of worries that I'll be a threat. If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.
And again, I'm not seeing the preposterous heat. You're questioning my votes and reads on you and I'm replying on this matter. Others, except MM, have barely chimed in. I think some have even called you slightly civ.
You have a point though, in which most players in this game haven't really suspected me. Other than you and MM, it's only soft suspicions.
Now answer me this question: assume you are Big Figure. You have to get rid of me, just like you have to everybody. There are two methods that you can emply to do that. One is the night kill, the other is a lynch. Based on how I've played this game, which one would be the option of your choice?
I recognize I might be wrong about Ricochet being the best fit, but I can guarantee you it's the opposite of what you said. I didn't craft the theory so I could fit Ricochet in (that'd be silly). I crafted the theory first, and now I'm trying to fit someone in.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Bullshit.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, but they took a quick turn for worse after Night 5.Ricochet wrote:My reads of you (DDL) worsened each time, over several days, and I wouldn't say they started from tagging you civ, only not my likely Mafia candidate.
And I think that, whoever Big Figure is, he's pretty desperate to get me lynched right now.
I really have to make an ISO on you though, because right now I only have his hunch.
Nobody is "desperate" to get you lynched, or at least not showing it. Ricochet might be the closest, but I think you have created a theory here with the intent of fitting Ricochet into that theory.
There IS one player who is desperate to get me lynched. That's a fact. The question is who.
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My situation is this: because I have a knack for dreaming up intricate conspiracy theories, I can see any one of you as Big Figure based on your voting record. I believe I've hit the same point I did in Economics Mafia where I was right on two or three times in a row but then sucked at sniffing out the last baddie. Come to think of it, that happened in Biblical too- I kept trying to find the most sinister baddie plot and make it sound like the most likely option (this was all after death though- Golden can attest to it). It seems my usefulness has reached its limit.
Note to self: Stop trying to find Keyser Söze and start looking for Joe Blow Baddie.
Note to self: Stop trying to find Keyser Söze and start looking for Joe Blow Baddie.
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Ricochet wrote:You know what's hilarious?
GOOF-MAN IS NOW ON RORSCHACH'S LIST
Thanks, Rico, this cheered me up. :P
Also, rez please
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Oh, I'm not finished with you yet.MovingPictures07 wrote:Ricochet wrote:You know what's hilarious?
GOOF-MAN IS NOW ON RORSCHACH'S LIST
Thanks, Rico, this cheered me up. :P
Also, rez please
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G-Man, are you a member of mafia?
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Despite incredible disappointment at my death, I just wanted to say that this game really was a hell of a game. Props to Epi for making such an enthralling game, and I want to thank every one of you for putting the effort that you have to make this one a nailbiter. It is a testament to the host and my fellow players that I had a knot in my stomach watching practically all of Day 6, especially in the final moments.
It's been nice to get to finally play with you, G-Man, after all these years where you only hosted me once.
I'm really glad I could make this my last game on TS until after the honeymoon.
Don't worry, I'll be back and annoying you all in mafia games in less than a month. :P
It's been nice to get to finally play with you, G-Man, after all these years where you only hosted me once.
I'm really glad I could make this my last game on TS until after the honeymoon.
Don't worry, I'll be back and annoying you all in mafia games in less than a month. :P
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At that point, you'll be doing nothing but hosting games since your games will get moved back and congested. :PMovingPictures07 wrote:Despite incredible disappointment at my death, I just wanted to say that this game really was a hell of a game. Props to Epi for making such an enthralling game, and I want to thank every one of you for putting the effort that you have to make this one a nailbiter. It is a testament to the host and my fellow players that I had a knot in my stomach watching practically all of Day 6, especially in the final moments.
It's been nice to get to finally play with you, G-Man, after all these years where you only hosted me once.
I'm really glad I could make this my last game on TS until after the honeymoon.
Don't worry, I'll be back and annoying you all in mafia games in less than a month. :P
I used to have a standard rule of them for mafia that I haven't followed in a long time. If a player had fewer posts in a game than the host did, I would vote for them. However, this rule should not apply when Sockface is hosting. See Death Note.
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EBWOP: Standard rule of *thumb*, not 'them'.
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How does one make 488 posts as a host?
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I am not Big Figure.Metalmarsh89 wrote:G-Man, are you a member of mafia?
I am not Moloch.
I am a Civilian.
My role still poses no threat to the civs.
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There were a lot of contests in that game that required MP to be around to answer questions and address other comments. Also, it was an incredibly complex game, so there were more questions upon questions upon questions about the mechanics for him to answer.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?
Oh, and Turnip Head and I were both unkillable baddies, so we spent a good portion of the game just trolling MP and everyone else.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?
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Actually, TH's role was more of a civilian-leaning independent, but he could have played it all like a baddie if he really wanted to. :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:There were a lot of contests in that game that required MP to be around to answer questions and address other comments. Also, it was an incredibly complex game, so there were more questions upon questions upon questions about the mechanics for him to answer.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?
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Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :PMovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, TH's role was more of a civilian-leaning independent, but he could have played it all like a baddie if he really wanted to. :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:There were a lot of contests in that game that required MP to be around to answer questions and address other comments. Also, it was an incredibly complex game, so there were more questions upon questions upon questions about the mechanics for him to answer.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:How does one make 488 posts as a host?
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Vote/Suspicion Analysis on Ricochet.
I just realized there are A LOT of walls of texts this guy made during the game, and that I've spent most of the game skimming them. I have to stop doing that.
I'll try my best to be impartial here. I wasn't impartial in the previous ones I made, and that was a huge mistake of my part. It's part of what got MP lynched. I have to remember Ricochet doesn't necessarily fit my theory.
Day 0 / Day 1
His first relevant post is this one, spoilered for the size. He has a lot of small thoughts about multiple players, but his main suspect here is G-Man, due to how he played the whole "policy lynching" thing on day 0.
One thing that pinged me is that, at least on day 1, Rico is very careful about calling anyone bad. He is afraid of jumping on wagons and isn't sure about his suspicions. If he is a civ, it's a responsible approach to the game from a player who is afraid to make stupid mistakes, specially on day 1. If he is mafia, it's a way to stay in the sidelines and avoiding making a vote too meaningful (and also avoiding Rorscharch's possible wrath).
I'm gonna have lunch now. The rest of the ISO will be in the next few posts.
I just realized there are A LOT of walls of texts this guy made during the game, and that I've spent most of the game skimming them. I have to stop doing that.
I'll try my best to be impartial here. I wasn't impartial in the previous ones I made, and that was a huge mistake of my part. It's part of what got MP lynched. I have to remember Ricochet doesn't necessarily fit my theory.
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Takes part in the lie detector debate, but gives G-Man a pass for it. Could be intentional backing down, though G-Man is random enough that it's possible to have different opinions on different things he said. I'm giving this a pass.Ricochet wrote:I think this is my first game with a lie detector role, let alone being familiar with player habits all the way back to previous mafia communities, so I'm inclined to give a pass, if others will vouch for the use of such wording - although now that Golden has done so, I think LoRab did just the opposite (and Bass also thinks the same), so it's not quite settled. Also, the "claiming civ is roleclaiming, so I feared not to break the rules" defense is still kind of clunky.
The wording made me think more of an actual alignment claim slip. I've asked before, what do others think about it?
Ricochet wrote:It did stand out to me that she worded her suspicion roughly the same way you did, yes. Her backing out was also far less elaborate or reasoned than yours (which followed after some dialogue with Sloonei, at least): from "Just something about him reads scummy to me. Can't put my finger on it." to "I am failing to find anything that sticks out to me as scummy." with not even a post in between.MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.
Agrees that Eloh's backing down on Sloonei stands out. Doesn't outright suspect her, though.Ricochet wrote:Can't say I do. With just four posts, it's mostly the mirroring of your suspicion on Sloonei (and rather poor quality of it) that stands out. I also thought she twisted a bit you saying you'd only support voting a no-shower by asking you if you've never voted for low posters (which is technically not the same thing), but then you gave her a full answer, so maybe it was just me. I'd also agree with Scotty that, for a player who encouraged people to post and play, her current post count is kinda ironic.MovingPictures07 wrote:
Rico, thanks for answering. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that, I figured maybe I was just being paranoid. I'm not sure what to make of it. Do you have any thoughts on Elo re: alignment and experience with her?
His only interaction with Sloonei. If this is bussing, this is a very safe, inconsequential one, since he is only making a tangential comment about what Sloonei said, without calling him civ or mafia.Ricochet wrote:Hmm, really? Only "vague support"? I'd say it more than that. This slightly feels like a fine tuning, for some reason.Sloonei wrote:Some other quick thoughts I have:
I have expressed vague support of G-man, but I don't necessarily have him as a town read. That said, I don't support any of the cases I have seen made against him thus far. That does not mean he should not be looked at further.
I do not wish to OMGUS thellama, but I find his case against me to be a bit weak and that is something that could become suspicious down the line, depending on how it progresses, but for now it's too early to make a judgment.
I am now 10 minutes late for work, woohoo
When asked by MP what the interaction means, he says this. He is "slightly surprised" about how Sloonei acted about G-Man, but still, no suspicion.Ricochet wrote:linki MP: I am slightly surprised, for sure. I don't think he's backing away from "not supporting the cases" against G-Man, for which I believe she argued against quite actively (and in lieu of G-Man whilst absent, on top of that), but my impression was that he did more than vaguely support him, yes.
He wants to remind people that Elo had a weird behavior regarding the Sloonei thing.Ricochet wrote:That includes Elo, though.Golden wrote:Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.
Leans towards voting Elo, but admits he doesn't have a strong poll of suspects. Is worry about Eloh being an easy wagon, though.Ricochet wrote:It's the player I'd lean towards, right now. It's not a very strong pool of baddie reads for me this Day 1.MovingPictures07 wrote:Is Elo the only player you would consider voting today?
Would you caution others against voting for Ninja, based on your thoughts here?
I'd caution votes for her to be well reasoned, because it feels an easy slide for bandwagoning to jump on.
Very mixed opinion on the nijuu wagon.Ricochet wrote:I don't know. It's 10 minutes to go and it feels crazy. It doesn't feel bandwagony, but I guess I still would have wanted to read more words of her own, since she intended a comeback for a serious case.MovingPictures07 wrote:Ricochet wrote:For a post in which she implies she took a stance after closer re-reading, Ninja sure went back to agreeing with llama on things and reading Sloonei as off based on that.
What are you thinking, Rico?
Eventually, he votes Eloh. He is the penultimate player to vote, and Eloh has zero chance of dieing, so it's an useless vote in a mechanical sense. But it's consistent with Rico's previous suspicions.Ricochet wrote:This is impossible to fully address. How 'bout we start endgame two hours earlier next time? Sticking with Eloh for now.
One thing that pinged me is that, at least on day 1, Rico is very careful about calling anyone bad. He is afraid of jumping on wagons and isn't sure about his suspicions. If he is a civ, it's a responsible approach to the game from a player who is afraid to make stupid mistakes, specially on day 1. If he is mafia, it's a way to stay in the sidelines and avoiding making a vote too meaningful (and also avoiding Rorscharch's possible wrath).
I'm gonna have lunch now. The rest of the ISO will be in the next few posts.
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Night 1 / Day 2
Ricochet goes hiking during this section of the game, and misses the vote. He makes only post during Night 1:
Night 2 / Day 3
Big TL/DR on what he thnks about everyone. To summarize, the ones he has a mafia read are: Elohcin ("can't move his trust-o-meter out of the negative zone"), espers ("not sure what to think of, slight mafia read"), LoRab ("doesn't trust one bit, would consider voting"), and MM ("inclined to see his baddie game on this one"). Everyone else is neutral or better, and I have no idea what he thinks of MP or G-Man because of the jokey comments.
Later MP asks him who he suspects and he names the same four.
Then MP asks who he'd vote "right now", and he nails it down to two:
Ricochet goes hiking during this section of the game, and misses the vote. He makes only post during Night 1:
Keeps his suspicion on G-Man, now stronger because Sloonei's suspicious defense of him.Ricochet wrote:Sleep myself. I'd say this keeps G-Man on the table, because that was intense support from Sloonei, especially done while G-Man became absent (and G-Man missed the voted today). Of course, it could be latching up to someone not from the team, but that interval of defending GMan in his absence, plus that time Sloonei actually backpedalled a little, saying he just offered "vague support" and G-Man should still be looked into, gives a lot of pause. I'll have to look into others as well, though.
Night 2 / Day 3
There are multiple posts about Eloh but I'm only quoting the most recent in this series. He keeps looking at her, for her day 1 play, and now for her day 2 vote too.Ricochet wrote:Doesn't the prospect of all four candidates not being bad apply to all of them being "uncomfortable" to vote, in that case? You just voted MM, then, because he's MM and voted himself before going absent for the entire Day? You didn't vote timmer when he voted himself before going absent for the entire previous Day.Elohcin wrote:Once I found out that it was possible that none of the four were bad, I wasn't comfortable voting LC
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Later MP asks him who he suspects and he names the same four.
Then MP asks who he'd vote "right now", and he nails it down to two:
But later:Ricochet wrote:LoRab or espers. The latter for her Sloonei vote and reasoning looking bad, the former for specifically what I said, especially her Golden vote and push into a tie.
The case on Eloh returns with a vengeance.Ricochet wrote:So after a post in which I call Eloh on suspects jumpiness, she literally jumps on DH based on DDL's read on him and switches from inquiring MP on his Cookie suss to thinking it could make sense.
Ricochet wrote:It just keeps dwindling in the bad zone. I also found her take on DH's ISO, as a fellow ISO'ist at least, pretty mischaracterizing.
Can we switch places and hear from you on espers and/or LoRab? I've read the former fire red in your list, but I didn't get an input since you posted your pending choices.
He is still interested on the espers and LoRab cases, though.Ricochet wrote:Well "doesn't truly care who gets lynched" sounds very Molochian to me. If you think LoRab fits the description, I'm thinking Eloh does as well.
Again, the penultimate vote in the phase. DH and espers are tied for the lynch. Ricochet goes with his gut and opts to leave the decision to the RNG gods, sticking with his old suspicion on Eloh while not taking part in the lynch. For someone who once called espers a bad read and DH a good read, I find it weird that he didn't take the chance to make those opinions count. The Eloh vote is consistent with his reads, but at this point, Rico himself admits he was having trouble deciding, so he didn't HAVE to pick Eloh. I called MP out for the exact same thing though, and Rico could be legitimately ignoring the poll while wanting to vote with his opinion.Ricochet wrote:Fuckin' shootout, then. Went with gut. Eloh.
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Night 3 / Day 4
Another wall of text, and a few more posts, with reads on everyone. Suspects this time are: Cookie (very bad D3 endgame so it's natural to suspect her), and Eloh ("you have to tell me why I shoud trust her".
The espers case is backed down to not having a strong opinion on. He is also developing some tinfoil theories on DH having lie detecting me. So yeah, Rico is not lying when he says he had a gradual suspicion of me througout the game, but until this point, he still thinks there's something genuine about me.
Also he did skip LoRab, though it was probably an honest mistake. I'd wager he still thinks of her as mafia at this point.
He asks MP tricky questions, and seems to be agreeing there's something fishy about him, but doesn't quite jump on the MP case. Makes a big post evaluating MP but doesn't get to a sure read.
Finally goes back to the LoRab case, and as I guessed, he still suspects her.
This post made me ctrl+F Elo to see when was the last time Rico talked about her. And apparently he did stop talking about her for some reason. Wtf?
The rest of the suspects are the old ones. ika, Cookie, and LoRab. LoRab seems to be the main one, ika he has a pretty mixed opinion about (not reading much other than a player who got a bad role), and Cookie is Cookie.
There's also Russ, who he is trying to form an opinion on. Not really a suspect.
Looking at the poll, he made the third to last vote. Ika could be saved if he had voted Cookie instead, but that would be such an obvious bad move I couldn't see Rico making. But voting LoRab would give him a very small chance of saving ika, since only three players were left to vote, include MissingBubbles and LoRab herself. If he is a baddie, I'd say he simply cut the loses and let ika go, making the most consistent vote with his suspicions he could possible make. If he is a civ, well, it's what I just said about consistency.
The backing down on the espers suspicion, compared to the previous phase, might be meaningful, but the previous suspicion was never that strong, so it's hard to grasp anything. What baffles me more is how Eloh suddenly disappeared from Rico's radar with no explanation. Did he want to stop tunneling? What would that mean to his alignment?
The crusade continues.Ricochet wrote: Off the top of my head, I wouldn't be surprised if Eloh would copy this technique from how her baddie husband did it back in Guess Who. But I'm sure others can be just devious.
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The espers case is backed down to not having a strong opinion on. He is also developing some tinfoil theories on DH having lie detecting me. So yeah, Rico is not lying when he says he had a gradual suspicion of me througout the game, but until this point, he still thinks there's something genuine about me.
Also he did skip LoRab, though it was probably an honest mistake. I'd wager he still thinks of her as mafia at this point.
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Further arguing with LoRab. He suspects her intentional tie on day 2, and her wanting to leave the decision to chance. Weird, since he allowed a similar thing to happen in day 3, though to be fair refusing to break a tie is not as bad as tieing a poll on purpose.Ricochet wrote:But you didn't make a deciding vote. You made a tie vote and you waited (and wavered between the candidates) till the tie would have been decisive. Why not vote for MM the first time you saw a tie opportunity (4-4 each) I think and feel good about the same rationale that "the gods will decide" or someone else left to vote will take the lynch in a different direction?
Instead, you designed the tie at 5-5, forced Golden to have to save himself and counting the three votes left as improbable to ever happen. Would this sound like a fair tie making to you, if someone else would have done it?
Wait, what happened to Elo?Ricochet wrote:My gut read of ika is that she landed on a bad role and is bombing the thread kamikaze style. No way am I getting into more reading than that, at this stage of the Day - I don't even know her style from previous games; I think she was in Omerta...and didn't do shit...?
Right now, I'm considering voting the following
LoRab (shall I make a tie for her? )
ika
and thinking about how I feel on Russ.
Cookie also in mind. I see she stuck to her espers read since ever and nothing more. Does that tell anyone anything new?
This post made me ctrl+F Elo to see when was the last time Rico talked about her. And apparently he did stop talking about her for some reason. Wtf?
The rest of the suspects are the old ones. ika, Cookie, and LoRab. LoRab seems to be the main one, ika he has a pretty mixed opinion about (not reading much other than a player who got a bad role), and Cookie is Cookie.
There's also Russ, who he is trying to form an opinion on. Not really a suspect.
He argues more with LoRab, and eventually votes her as promised.Ricochet wrote:Sticking with my top read on LoRab. Hoping for a good result if ika is lynched, too.
Looking at the poll, he made the third to last vote. Ika could be saved if he had voted Cookie instead, but that would be such an obvious bad move I couldn't see Rico making. But voting LoRab would give him a very small chance of saving ika, since only three players were left to vote, include MissingBubbles and LoRab herself. If he is a baddie, I'd say he simply cut the loses and let ika go, making the most consistent vote with his suspicions he could possible make. If he is a civ, well, it's what I just said about consistency.
The backing down on the espers suspicion, compared to the previous phase, might be meaningful, but the previous suspicion was never that strong, so it's hard to grasp anything. What baffles me more is how Eloh suddenly disappeared from Rico's radar with no explanation. Did he want to stop tunneling? What would that mean to his alignment?
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Actually that's not the best strategy. Ricochet puts it nicely:Cookie wrote:Honestly if I was BF, MP would have died in the NK when he first insisted that I was mafia, I think it was D3 or D4 when he put a lot of heat on me.Scotty wrote:That sentence doesn't make sense.LoRab wrote:So who do you see me is being elimininaed from that problem?Scotty wrote:You're golden, I think I'm on the chopping block unfortunately.LoRab wrote:Disappointing result. My being lynched would have been equally disappinting. Not sure a lynch of cookie would have been bad, having voted that way and all.
Thoughs haven't changed since I went to sleep. Hope to survive the night.
Shame, because I feel like we really could have eliminated that problem.
But I'm talking about cookie
Why not keep in MP, who's already garnered a lot of heat, and had been wrong on so many separate occasions? He could get lynched instead (the Elo vote was the deciding factor, methinks), and he did.Ricochet wrote:If you ask me, MP was kept in the game due to the high potential of being lynched. That he himself started a huge case on a civ Eloh must have been even more of a delight for BF and Moloch.
Guess who was the first to vote Cookie Day 4? Me. I thought that a mafia would be trying to float by, to blend in. Espers was lynched, he flipped bad, and ika even voted for you, so I took a step back- just a step- for how implausible it was for you to be Big Figure. Sweet, newbish, frustrated Cookie. Now knowing that MP backed me up on Day 4 is just dandy, and gives me even MORE conviction that you are bad. I mean, if you recall, MP stressed time and time again on Day 4 that espers was at the top of his read list, and in the end he voted for Cookie. Could it be...that both were bad and he was giving a hint? He wasn't right on the Elo vote, nor was I (going back to Day 1) but I would find it hard to believe MP would be wrong on all of his reads.
I have essentially not garnered heat like MP has, and I am going full fledge semi through the tunnel mode. If BF kills me tonight, look no further than Señorita Galleta tomorrow.
Good night friends, I'm off to work for the night.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Well, that's true. Hence "independent". :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:
Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :P
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You ought to be more careful. You're setting a bad example.MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that's true. Hence "independent". :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:
Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :P
Also, now that I'm dead in this game, I'm pumping myself up for hosting Talking Heads Mafia with a new look.
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I'm mad... and that's a fact!!!Metalmarsh89 wrote:You ought to be more careful. You're setting a bad example.MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that's true. Hence "independent". :PMetalmarsh89 wrote:
Well those dastardly civilians didn't win at all, but TH did. :P
Also, now that I'm dead in this game, I'm pumping myself up for hosting Talking Heads Mafia with a new look.
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Re: Watchmen [Night 6]
I can't help but feel this to be a bit entrapping, considering that those are two scenarios out of three that can happen to you at any time (the third being that you survive until endgame) and since you only asked me, either your night kill or a lynch in which you'd actually flip civ would create incentive for the others to look back at me, in case what I'd answer would match how your demise went through. If you aren't bad and actually concerned of what Big Figure might try to pull on you, you could try get an answer out of everyone, but even that's not too kosher, because that's not how Mafia is played - talking in the open about what our favourite discard method would be, if we'd be assigned a bad role, would attract WIFOM. What I can say is that the only time I've been mafia in a team (the second time I've been mafia I was a dormant solo one till the end with a win con grab), my impulse was to get rid of dangerous civs by NK rather than cook a lynch for them.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Now answer me this question: assume you are Big Figure. You have to get rid of me, just like you have to everybody. There are two methods that you can emply to do that. One is the night kill, the other is a lynch. Based on how I've played this game, which one would be the option of your choice?
From what you wrote on me so far, I just want to correct this
I was actually worried about Ninja being an easy wagon, not Eloh. It should be clear from the dialogue, even from structure: second paragraph answer to MP's second paragraph question.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Leans towards voting Elo, but admits he doesn't have a strong poll of suspects. Is worry about Eloh being an easy wagon, though.Ricochet wrote:It's the player I'd lean towards, right now. It's not a very strong pool of baddie reads for me this Day 1.MovingPictures07 wrote:Is Elo the only player you would consider voting today?
Would you caution others against voting for Ninja, based on your thoughts here?
I'd caution votes for her to be well reasoned, because it feels an easy slide for bandwagoning to jump on.
As for Eloh dropping from my radar on D4, I think there's a difference between writing a wrap-up post on whom I'd vote for upon a looming deadline, which that post reflects, and writing a post on who do I (still) suspect. From what I remember, it was a fairly hectic end of D4 in which I debated with LoRab very heavily, I witnessed ika bombing the place, I had to address MP's sudden case on Russ (which I never accomplished) and even MP's bit exagerrated criticism of Russ (that he never brought before in the game the charges he was bringing then to MP), followed by a sudden mellowing on Russ - which generated the first suspicions on him being a flip-flopper. In contrast, I only recall Eloh's utter disdain at ika's gameplay, with which I had no issues. So yes, I did technically happen drop Eloh out of sight, since she didn't do anything to ping me, but I didn't drop her as a suspect, as my ISO of that day shows. In retrospect, I feel I was aroused a lot by Eloh's awry gameplay on both days I voted her - both for what seemed to me as switcheroo'ing on Sloonei (D1) and especially on D3 when her completely erratic EoD turned my suspicion senses up to eleven. It's not a proud feeling, now that she flipped civ, but it felt justified at that time.
Re: Watchmen [Night 6]
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Welcome tho, Made. Haven't seen you in a really long time!
Welcome tho, Made. Haven't seen you in a really long time!