The Syndicate

Rats. Go civs!

and rezz me please....

Huzzah! The streak we're on with lynches is amazing.

I vote floppy hat, because floppy is the most fun to say.

Elohcin wrote:If any of yall say you never dream about mafia....I will tell you you are lying haha....sometimes I will try to roll epi over cause he is snoring and he will tell me who to lynch.

This is creepy, but funny.

zeek wrote:Btw if he flips Sorceror, Mongoose is totally the other one.

Why's that?

Wow the posting.

I think Made seems like a good choice at this point. He voted for Dom to get the wand Night 2, and he missed the infamous Bass-Dom lynch. He also voted DH when both Snowy and DF were lynched. His vote record is shoddy, but I'd especially expect sorcerer out of him because of the Dom wand thing.

Post-wise, he's so zany that I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary from him, but I think he does that on purpose all the time.

Still don't totally trust Boom, but I it helps my opinion of him to see he's back and contributing.

Also, my phone always autocorrects timmer to "timer".

Long Con wrote:I've stated my suspicions of DH several times, just click my In Topic linky and do a little search. The reasons are still the same. I can see it very clearly, DH is a baddie.

I can wait as long as you guys need to to lynch him though. I'm not tearing my hair out to get it done any more, he's done such a fantastic job of surviving. I'll just wait until you come around. Maybe the people I trust are awesomely hoodwinking me, I don't know. Let me know when you're ready for the DH lynch, and you can count on my vote. Otherwise, I think I stated my other suspects and trusteds a few posts up. You can probably count on me to vote them if they come up for lynch contention.

LC, I sympathize. In Grimm I was a truth-checker and caught DH lying on Night 1. I went after him HARD for days on end. He ended up turning the thread against me and getting me lynched, after which people luckily realized what was up and lynched him. Second most frustrating experience I've ever had in mafia. Point being, dude's a survivor.

Heading to work right now, but I'll be rereading Blooper and Made. Very good points were raised about both imo. I'll be around in the evening to discuss and vote. Not necessarily seeing the Daisy thing.

DH beat me to it on the case building on Boomslang thing. I will only add that Boom has been posting less and less lately, and hasn't posted since Day 7. So if you ascribe to the theory that the Suits missed a PM (and I think it seems likely, since Epi tends to describe the behind-the-scenes action on kills in his Night posts), then I think Boom looks a lot worse.

I also am now feeling less good about DH than before, with Snowy's flip, though I still want week to explain the other side of that to me, and I think Daisy could be bad based on what I mentioned above. Right now that's probably the order I'd feel most comfortabel voting.

zeek wrote:
timmer wrote:You know, I actually had Snowy down as a probable suit, not a sorcerer lol. So snowy took a chance and voted his own teammate in the Dom/Bass lynch. I've got to revisit some ideas before tomorrow!
THIS.

The whole basis of the case against him turned out to be wrong but he was bad anyway

More and more lately I think this is how mafia works.

DharmaHelper wrote:We had to answer questions? Oops.

Yeah I didn't pick up on that either, it just looked like literary device to me.

S~V~S wrote:I have always thought that if you are going to use a set of facts to bolster your case, you need to use the whole set. If the whole set does not fit your thesis, you need to disregard them ALL.

Looking at some votes but not others is kinda sketchy, Timmer. Or you could know something, or believe you know something, and are trying pretty desperately to build a case in a hard environment. But I think some of the stuff you said about Bea earlier in the game was kinda sketchy, so not so sure about you having info. And if I don't think you have info, I can only view this as sketchy, tbh.

This is starting to feel like endgame; even though we have 19 living players, it seems that only about half of them are even moderately active, and less than that totally active. Very odd. I have been looking at the Night Kills, mostly fairly active players from both teams. I would expect a baddie DH to be killing the non players, tbh, were he bad. He wants to play and would rather have living adversaries who fight back, not kill all the active civvies and have an end game of lynching Sabie, reywaS & Lorab. I think DH would HATE that, which is also part of why I don't think he is a baddie.

I could be wrong and he could be playing me to bits, and were it just for his posts I might have thought so. But I really think that if DH had a kill, we would still have Turnip Head, Roxy or FZ and we would NOT have Sabie, Lizzy or some other non-player. Just my opinion, but I am not seeing bad DH.

I sent something out the other night to someone I trusted and it got redirected to someone that makes me a little nervous. The redirector is on the Sorcerer team, so they already know I am not Voldy. I am just trying to figure out if they would redirect something of mine to one of themselves or not.

Spacedaisy wrote:When you see who I flip, consider what I've said.

I also received something last night but I don't understand the point of it. Whatever...

Also, That was a typo, it should say I haven't got a read on Juliets...

Putting these together, I think it seems possible that baddies, knowing you're Snape, would redirect your potions to themselves. It's actually the biggest factor for me saying that Daisy might be bad, because I haven't necessarily read her that way otherwise. A bit speculative, but the potential gains for the Sorcerers seem clear.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Juliets, I think Daisy got confused between when the days ended, since she's playing both Film and here.

What the heck are people talking about with bea? Did I miss something where she was confirmed civilian? Or when S~V~S threw a fit over talking about Russ being a possible role and yet now everyone seems to think just because bea made some hint that she's good?

I don't so much mind the fact that she hinted (that's been ubiquitous this game), but I am still confused about what she's hinting at. S~V~S seems crazy sure on it. So if anyone wants to clear that up that'd be great. I don't see the harm, it's pretty much an open secret at this point anyway.

zeek wrote: DharmaHelper I thought was Suit with Snow Dog. Evidently the last lynch pissed all over that theory and, while I'm still suspicious, also reconsidering. His voting record is still quite suspect and it struck me as odd he brought up Daisy's when his is no better. Pot, kettle, black.

I'm kind of with timmer on this one (I think). Since basically the whole case on Snowy was that he was related to DH, doesn't him flipping bad look really bad for DH?? Please explain how it makes DH look any better to you at all.

YES! Good job everyone.

DharmaHelper wrote:
timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
timmer wrote:Im pretty hungover, going back to bed. Im liking how this lynch is going though. Snowy is acting like cornered baddie for sure.
LOL, I switched it back. I wanted to see if anybody would panic, even if it was a bit of a cheap move. This should be an interesting lynch.

Uh huh, more like somebody called you on your shit and you decided not to follow through,

EBWOP: I agree with DH and LC*

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Almost certain Daisy isn't bad due to my read. Therefore, voting SVS.
This is at least the second time you've straight up avoided making waves with your vote. And why the hell are you voting a practically confirmed Civ?

If I make it out of this lynch I'm gunning 100% for you.
Yeah. That's so sketchy, Boom.

Thanks for the recap Russ! I think lynching a guy for two votes that weren't for a Suit is pretty weak though.

Yeah, that's fair. But by the time I could vote today, it was either him or DH, and right or wrong I've gotta trust my reads at some point.

I'm planning to get more into case building tomorrow so we can rectify the weak case situation.

On another note, I know that this is last minute, and that people hate that, but I am also down for a Boomslang vote today if there's support. What is he even doing?? If there are no votes for him today, I agree with DH that he should be given a very hard look tomorrow.

Long Con wrote:I think Russ should reiterate the case.

Fair enough, I guess, though I'm a bit miffed at the implication here.

The case being, Snowie did not vote DF, and voted Dom in the now-infamous Dom/Black Rock lynch. So he's got good potential to be a Suit.

Linki: Made, not sure I understand Parts 2 & 3 of your theory. Teamed how? And what do you mean by MP being tainted?

I do agree that a DH lynch would yield a lot of info. Unfortunately, I my gut just doesn't say bad on him right now. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. But I'm personally not desperate enough to vote people I think are civ just to check the validity of other theories.

I'm going to go ahead and place a vote on Snowy. It seems there's now a case on him that doesn't have to do with DH being bad, and as far as the vote record goes it seems like it's as solid as any other case I've heard. As to his posting style, as timmer mentioned, that could probably go either way. I still think DH seems genuine, so it's the best way to go.

bea wrote:I'm on my phone right.now from work. Sometimes.I hit.the wrong button instead.of.the.spacebar. I hate.my phone btw

Too funny!

Again, wasn't hinting. Made, mind refreshing me on why Boom would be on Dom's team according to your theory? Not sure I follow.

Link: bea why is your punctuation so strange this game?

juliets wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
juliets wrote:I prefer to fold in the people who didn't vote who had been active (i.e., not Lizzy). Bass didn't vote because he was away from home. But also Mongoose didn't vote because she was away from home (I think - is that when you were on vacation Mongoose) and then there is Made. Made, why didn't you vote? Just because they didn't vote doesn't make them good and I don't think the standard holds up that all baddies voted when some didn't because they were not around.
I agree with you. That was the point I made, but Russ made a good point for all baddies voting to keep their teammate alive.
Right and I agree with his point, except the baddies who couldn't vote to keep their teammate alive - like Bass himself.

Well right. I thought I acknowledged that at the time, but maybe I forgot. My theory of all baddies voting hinges on all baddies being active of course.

Elohcin wrote: If all baddies voted in this poll....my guess is....

Suits -
Vince - DF
Warden - Bass
Preacher and Boddy - DH, and SD or SD

Sorcerers -
Bavmorda - Dom
Volde, Necro, and Crowley - Boomslang, Niju, zeek or jules

Elohcin wrote:Russ, you care to make a prediction based on that poll?

Honestly, not really. Especially with the possibility of baddies missing the vote, I'm not comfortable enough to say "_____, _______, and _____ are bad". Plus it would make me enemies, and I could see a list being used as fodder for a case against me, whether my guesses are right or wrong.

Long Con wrote:Also, unless anyone got results from the Fights last night, I want to assume that there is some vote manipulation going on from fight results... like winners have one less vote and losers have one more, or something like that.

Be aware of that possibility, spreading votes out could mean an unpredicted result to the lynch. Just a theory.

Yeah it's possible, or that last night's votes add onto today's. Who knows.

juliets wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Gah! Thought of one more thing. DH, on the Made vote-force thing. I couldn't find the post, but if TH did indeed support Made's vote-force claim, would that not lend it some credence? TH was killed by the Suits on N5, the team you're claiming Made is on.
I didn't mean others came out and supported made, just that their vote was forced. I'm not positive it was TH. I'll try to look back and find one. Seems like we were the ones to notice it which makes sense (except for zeek if that was the first one after made because he came out and said made is not lying) because they can't say "my vote was forced". Anyway, it doesn't matter if anyone hinted at it or we figured it out it still means it happened to others too.

Timmer, interesting case. When I looked back at ninju because of my "gut feel" I stupidly did not look at her voting record. I looked just at what she said and how she responded to people. I'd like to hear what she has to say about what you have found.

Well, right, that's what I'm saying. They didn't support Made directly, but they supported his story that votes were being forced, lending credence to the idea that his was. I'm actually really interested to see who the other one to do that was. If it was TH I'd believe Made on his thing, but if not I'd be inclined to think Made and the other person to claim that were Suits. It seems like a weird gambit for an entire baddie team to run, but who knows?

Gah! Thought of one more thing. DH, on the Made vote-force thing. I couldn't find the post, but if TH did indeed support Made's vote-force claim, would that not lend it some credence? TH was killed by the Suits on N5, the team you're claiming Made is on.

Sorry for the huge multi-post. Lastly, I just had a thought, inspired by LC's recent post. (I think LC installing the truth, btw, based on his behavior in Fight Club.) I think the DH as MP's Narrator thing is still entirely plausible, given how hard he's defended him. It looks to me like a slam dunk that DH is at least an MP recruit. However, if you were MP, who would you pick as your very first teammate for the Tournament of Champions?

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm sort of fine with seeing how everyone is thinking and contributing in that way, though, especially since people think I was being manipulative with my last-minute case against Russ. I wasn't, but to be fair, I appreciate that at least it has more time to simmer.

Even though I don't actively suspect Snowy that much, I may be convinced to vote in that direction. I think the connections to DH are shattered if DH is good, but that zeek's point of Snowy voting with the majority every time except with the Suits is definitely the most compelling.

Oh, and congrats by the way, zeek! That's awesome!
Ok let's not put the cart before the horse. i am bit tired of this DH/ Snowy connection suspicion. J have voted neither him or LC so far but I will vote for him now. Who knows, he may very well be bad.
Votes DH

Snowy, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Since almost the entire case on you is based on your perceived connection to DH, isn't it in your best interest to keep him alive if, as you say, "he may very well be bad"? Obviously if he's civ that clears the current case against you, but you know that if he's bad you'll go next, right? At the very least I'd think you'd want to leave it a mystery. Help me understand.

Snow Dog wrote:Timmer's vote is weird. If he thinks I was saving DH, and we don't who DH is yet, why didn't he vote DH? If DH turns out to be a bad then there is a case. At the moment there's nothing.

This, however, is a good point. Timmer, why not go straight for DH, given that the case on Snowy is mostly that he's connected to DH? Seems like a DH lynch would give much more info, and if he flipped civ it would clear Snowie, whereas if Snowie flipped civ then it wouldn't necessarily clear DH.

Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I still think the Made Case is something to consider. Also, we should look at the Dom/Bass lynch very carefully. Two baddies being the only options, stands to reason that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers voted Bass
Yes, I almost forgot about the case on Made. I remember it being a good one but forget what was said. I will look into that again.

As far as the Dom/Bass lynch...here are the results.

Bass_the_Clever (9 votes) -
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom (7 votes) -
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)

Only 16 people voted. I assume some of the non voters were baddies. What do y'all think we can glean from this poll?

DH - can you recap you made case or post a link?

Why would you assume some of the non-voters were baddies? In a lynch with 2 baddies, doesn't it make sense that every baddie voted for the one on the opposite team, like DH said? They had all the incentive in the world to save their teammates, whereas the rest of us were just doing a normal vote.

I have never known a baddie to intentionally miss a vote and allow a teammate to die. Unless you think some baddies are inactives, but what's the evidence for that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Awesome result, the Sorcerers are certainly getting frustrated now. After Domgate and a failed kill on MP, now another failed kill on Timmer. I am happy to see Timmer still alive.

I hate to say it, but I think I am responsible for Roxy's death. Roxy was already upset about the stuff earlier, and my imbecilic ranting after that lynch likely pushed her to leave the game, because she really doesn't like that stuff. My theory is that Roxy asked to be modkilled. Sorry, Roxy, I'm really sorry, I was immature and crappy. I will definitely remember this in the future, and do a better job of being a reasonable person.
I somehow doubt that.

You doubt that he will be more reasonable in the future, or that Roxy left because of his rant?

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I actually agree with DH at this point, especially since I realized how tunnel vision I was being with him. I won't be voting for him.
It's okay, 'cause I don't trust you really.

Rightly so.

Again, I have not hinted and will not hint that I am the Face of Boe, nor any other role. Frankly, I think the idea of NOT lynching me because you suspect I'm role hinting is against the spirit of the rules, and if you think I'm role-hinting then you should probably vote me out of the game. That said, I still hope you all won't let a confirmed indy lead a bandwagon lynch on me, last-minute or not.

Elohcin wrote:
zeek wrote:She said YES!
YAY! Congrats!

Bets thing that's happened so far during this game. Congrats!

Also RIP Roxy.

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Is this like the Day 2 thing, where we each have to pick the person who picked us, and you can't pick someone already picked? Just two-person fights?
Oh, so you're talking about Fight Club?

timmer wrote:I'm guessing Omega Red wasn't submitting names each night, and the votes just accumulated? What an appropriately fucked up end to a fucked up lynch.

Wow, this is so brilliant. So lucky we had a non-participant, for once. I'm very glad that role is gone tbh.

Elohcin wrote:Just b/c you weren't lynched doesn't mean you were an asshole. I still think MP basically outed that he is on the baddies side.

I think he more outed that he's on his own side, and doesn't care who dies.

Mongoose wrote:Who wants to fight me?

It might feel like kicking one of the shelter puppies in those Sarah McLachlan videos!

I've always wanted to do that! I will probably fight Mongoose.

So I just read back and saw what Daisy found in my posts. I want it publicly noted that I do not and will not role hint in this game, or any other. Don't want anything taken the wrong way.

That said, I appreciate the trust even if it was given for wrong reasons, and I hope to prove my civvie intentions going forward.

Linki: LOL MP. That is kind of hilarious, in a twisted kind of way. You are an evil genius.

EBWOP: timmer's theory explains MPs behavior of protecting DH.

Uh, wow. I am honestly shocked I didn't take the most votes there. Thanks for trusting Daisy, I guess, all. Hopefully it works out.

Lynch is a wake-up call to me to participate more, so that's good I guess. I feel invested in the game now haha.

Linki: timmer has a very good point. I kinda wish I had thought of that earlier. On the one hand, I do get the feeling that MP is legitimately trying to get baddies, he's just looking in the wrong places with me. But I guess that's what he'd want us to think no matter what. His behavior totally explains protecting DH.

Wow, so I'm dead. Cool.

MP gets to out himself and become unkillable and everyone believes everything he says, lovely. And yes, I'm a tiny bit bitter.

MovingPictures07 wrote:But frankly, I'm just sick of this so un-Champion like behavior from certain players!:srsnod:

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess. You don't seem interested in my responses, so I guess you've made up your mind. Hopefully others will be more reasonable about it.

DharmaHelper wrote:27 posts. My point being he's like smoke he's so blendy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:So looking over Russ's posts:

- Thinks DH is sketchy on D1
- Thinks the case on Made is good on D2, misses the vote
- Says he suspects people who say "I'm a civ" and similar on D3
- Voted Boomslang on D3, saying that Made is cleared and is inclined to "give DH more time"
- He says the case on DF is "no stronger than the one on Boomslang" D3
- He even clarified and said they are "equally weak" but his "gut" leans Boomslang when I was asking him about it
- Got pinged by Dom on D4 but expressed he didn't want to vote for either player.... BUT THEN votes Bass on D4
- Isn't sure about me since I got outed, votes Dom even though he hates voting for outed players D5
- Then there's his post on the last page...

votes Russtifinko

I just knew when I defended DH today that someone would bring up my vote on Day 1. IT WAS DAY 1!!! I'm learning never to change opinions on anything. And come on, EVERYONE expressed they didn't want to vote for either player on Day 4. That's nothing special. S~V~S is STILL expressing it. And lo and behold, 2 baddies.

You can be mad I didn't follow your case on Day 3, I guess. But please be honest with yourself and tell me the DF case was stronger than the Boomslang one. You can't, because it wasn't.

As for few posts and blendiness, guilty. I've been having trouble getting into the game for whatever reason, which I realize kinda sucks for our terrific host and the other players. So I haven't been reading or posting as much as I should, and haven't formed as strong opinions as I usually do. I'll try to pick it up if I stay alive.

Lots o' linki

timmer wrote:Here's one for those of you thinking DH is bad.

The Day 1 lynch ended up tied. DH had 7 votes. MetalMarsh had 7 votes. The poll closed at 6:53pm Epig's time.

If we assume DH is bad for a minute, then likely he would have a teammate or two helping him out. And with the knowledge that votes could be changed, help could come at any time.

Well, lookie here.

Snow Dog posted this:

Snow Dog wrote:vOTED BOOMSLANG IN THE END.
at 6:53, meaning he voted one minute before the end of the poll.

But then reversed and posted this two minutes later:

Snow Dog wrote:i CHANGED to MM. Thought better of it and decided to vote Llama. I'm all over the place. Unfortunately the time was up and my vote is still on MM.
Sorry MM.
That was posted two minutes after the poll closed, meaning Snowie voted at literally the last possible second. But he REALLY didn't want to be seen as helping DH, did he? This post reads as the MM vote was a mistake, and golly gee the time expired. Well he KNEW the time was expiring, he has posts talking about how time was running out and he had to make a decision. I don't buy that he swung from Boomslang to MM to llama all in the space of 90 seconds, but oh darn his vote got stuck halfway through the thought process. this reads like a panicked help vote for DH.

Day 2, Snow Dog spends most of the day saying he thinks he'll vote thellama.

Then posts this:

Snow Dog wrote:Ok Llama. i think I am satisfied for now.

Made still not sure about. damn. Made is so easy to suspect but that don't make him bad.
But then 20 minutes before the end of the poll:

Snow Dog wrote:Ok before times runs out. I am trusting Made but I am going back to Llama. He just seems wrong to me. Not super confident with this vote but it's the best I got at the ppresent.

Votes LLama
The only other post he made that mentioned Made was this:

Snow Dog wrote:
Made always looks bad. I know this from the Cars game.
But that night when MP mentioned Snowy and Made, Snowy replied:

Snow Dog wrote:addedndum. I said plenty about Made, MP. don't go making things up now.
He didn't really?

Day 3 he says he thinks DH seems civvie (DH: "But what i read sounds believable")

Day 4 he voted fairly early on for Boomslang, as did DH later. Neither voted for DF.

Day 5, the Bass vs Dom lynch. Both Snowy and DH voted for Dom instead of Bass. So they avoided voting for DF (a suit) and both chose to vote Dom (a Sorcerer) over Bass (a Suit).

So there is a fairly strong correlation between Snowy and DH, and Snowy's last second voting antics on Day 1 suggest a panicked save of DH as well.

This is probably the best case I've read so far.

Unfortunately, it's predicated on DH and Snowy both being Suits. It's definitely possible, and the vote evidence is there. But in DH's recent posts I'm seeing him as very genuine. Super off-the-wall, but genuine. I guess I just don't understand why he'd act as he has if he were bad, a she said himself. So I'd have to convince myself he was bad before I could vote Snowy in good conscience.

S~V~S wrote:
juliets wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
juliets wrote:I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.
I don't understand why disappearing after one day makes a difference. Could you explain this?
The role description for Voldemort says his horcruxes must be used each night and die out after use.
So do you think Reys curse or similar posting effects could have been a horcrux? Or just normal night powers that last one day?

Sorry, I know I'm hopping into this conversation late. I'm mostly familiar with the books, but can a horcrux be a spell? I thought they were objects.

Sorry all, I was in Cincy this weekend celebrating my birthday and kind of totally forgot to mafia. Looks like I missed a lot (but no lynch polls, yay!)

Wow, so Dom is outed. I will vote him, but ONLY because he wants out of the game. As I made clear in X-Men, I refuse to vote any player based solely on outs or info.

Also, not sure to handle MP now. His self-out basically means it's now in everyone's best interest to keep him alive (unless of course we subscribe to a theory that he can't win with us, which doesn't currently have any support from the role description). I hate to see a player win because of a self-out, but I also don't really think we should spend our time lynching him when we could be getting baddies.

I still have a lot of reading to do, but that seems the most salient issue to me. I'll do more catching up as I can, and it seems I'll have some time to do so.

Woohoo! So the horrible lunch wasn't so horrible after all :-D

And timmer, mu impression from the post was that we somehow help that person get BTSC. Could be the night poll or a puzzle

Lol @ juliets' post.

As far as I can see, nothin had changed. I'm on a bus and will be going thru some pretty rural areas, so voting now but hopefully I'll be around.

For me it comes down to this: Dom has been hunting baddies super hard all game. Bass hasn't. I figure Dom is potentially of more value if he is civ, so I'm voting Bass. Also I REALLY hate toes.

And timmer, on the last page you said you were voting Dom because he had posted more and would give more info. Are you seriously suggesting we lynch a very active player because he's active? I mean, I get the train of thought, but...that's messed up, man. I'm not into the idea of intentionally lynching actives just because, and I hope others aren't either.

DharmaHelper wrote:
bea wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Then you were wrong before the DF lynch.
how?
They think I'm bad, when in actuality, I am not bad. Therefore they are wrong.

With the preconceived notion of my badiness, they are taking any evidence they can from the thread to add to that case. Rather than going into the thread and looking for sound evidence to form a theory one way or the other. Their faulty evidence, headstrong opinion and desire to be correct have blinded them to the actual facts.

This is....actually more or less what I see, too. Welcome to mafia, I guess.

Sorry for the quadruple post lol. I wrote things as I had spare minutes tonight. Left this one out by mistake.

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:This lynch absolutely blows.
I'm pretty sure we have two civvies here... :/
I'll grant that you are 100% sure of your own alignment, but what makes you "pretty sure" of Bass being Civvie? I mean, I don't suspect him for anything in particular, but that's very different from being "pretty sure" that he's Civvie. Your statement gives me the feeling.

This statement pinged me as well, LC. I have had the warm fuzzier about Dom all game, because he's been (at the very least seeming) to baddie hunt with unusual gusto. This quote makes me tingly in a bad way, though, even though I'm having trouble explaining why.

That being said, I still don't love the idea of voting either of these players at the moment. And it's unfortunate that Bass isn't around to say anything and help us decide.

bea wrote:RIP FZ I' had really good feelings about you and I'm pretty sure we were both civs. Once of us always seems to die early when we are both civs. Why do peeps hate the idea of us being civ together so much?

Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace FZ. I was feeling pretty good about you

I'm looking at DH today. I think there's something there with the DF connection. DF seemed extremely hesitant to take a stance on DH and went out of his way to vote to help save DH Day 1. Furthermore, DH didn't contribute at all to the discussion on DF. There's also something I want to point out about some of DH's posting on Day 2 but it will have to wait until I get home so I can search for it.

I know I've defended DH some in this game but I'm concerned that that was misguided of me. I felt like he was getting heat for simply being an active participant, but now that we've got more to go on, he feels a bit slippery to me.
TH, I look forward to your ideas about DH on Day 2 I'm curious, I don't remember you sharing thoughts on Boomslang.

I'm glad to see Timmer participating more! I found your comments, when I read up, very insightful and great to have around. Rey, on the other hand, still has my eye.
TH- I look forward to reading what you have to say about DH - I still have my doubts about him but I'm not sure that's the sort of investigative work I can handle ATM.

Dom - in all fairness, it looks like Sawyer had a smiley curse. I'd like to see how he handles this day phase.

S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Bea, how do you know that

bea wrote:

linki - snowy - a civvie posted about bass supposing he picked SVS for the posting contest when the exact opposite was true. So it's possible he was just going on memory - which is faulty and missed that hedgie didn't post.

Sorry hit submit by mistake

You write "a civvie posted" like it's a fact. How do you know that? And I know your usage is quirky, but am I reading into it when I say it sounds as if you are talking about civvies in the third person? That was just a weird thing to say, I guess.

To add to this, bea, you said "civ" 3 times to start that post, but they were all worded so as to not really be lie detectable to say whether you're civ or not. It makes me nervous. Something to hide?

Long Con wrote:Holy crap, looks like Dom and Bass both targeted Tyler Durden last night. Interesting! Now they know who he is. Nobody needs Tyler to be dead to win. Will they reveal this person who could basically coast through the rest of the game once outed? Dun dun dunnn! I don't know if that would be allowed. I don't know if that would be following good Mafia etiquette. Depends on how Epig intended for the Tyler role to work in my opinion, I'm a fan of running things how the host intended them without too much loophole finding.

The real question is, who are Dom and Bass with their targeting ways? If anyone got targeted last night and they know they aren't Tyler, then we know that Dom and Bass aren't that role. Like, whoever got blackmailed knows Dom and Bass aren't Mr Boddy. (Unless Tyler DID get blackmailed blah blah blah) This knowledge could come in handy sooner or later, for the one of them that survives this lynch.

Welcome to THUNDERDOME! Two men enter! One man leaves!

Two men enter! One man leaves!

THUUUUUUUUNNNNDERDOOOOOOOOME! :knight:

<---(looks kind of like Thunderdome)

I'd guess it ends in 1-2 hours, FZ., depending on whether the Nights are 23 or 24 hours. Epi does 23-hour Nights a lot.

Linki: Well, Epi solved that mystery. Also I think the notion that LC and Goosy were silenced is logical, especially considering that LC was posting a lot before completely stopping.

Wow, nice work DF voters! I'm pleasantly surprised.

I'll take the helmet gladly, but it seems like there's plenty of volunteers already.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
You're right, you did say Boom not answering questions was suspicious. My b, I misread.

As to DF on Made, I'm saying he's NOT flip-flopping, and that I can totally understand why he wouldn't, because in my experience flip-flopping is the fastest way to make people ignore everything you say, and possibly lynch you. So you have plenty to lose as a civ by flip-flopping, like the game.

And I'm not saying the DF case is weaker, I'm saying exactly what I meant - no stronger. I think they're equally weak, but my gut leans Boom so that's where my vote goes.

LinkI: I'm pretty sure Explorer is the SK, then.
No worries.

I understand that, but my point is that in this case -- flip flopping is a completely legitimate and rational way to handle the Made suspicion, since it was based on him lying. Since it was proven he wasn't lying, why hold onto it?

Linki: Same here (regarding your linki), FZ.

Yeah, that's true. That's what I did on Made. I'm just saying I can see an angle where someone wouldn't do what I and others did, so it's not suspicious to me personally.

Oh! And as to why you deserved the trophy: you won the most games this year. And you always participate when you can. Very champion like. I didn't have anything in terms of people's alignment to go on, so that seemed like enough. And, like I said at the time, it didn't matter anyway - you had 9 votes already I believe. Also we're on a baddie team together.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Congrats, zeek! That's amazing news!

I want everyone to know I survived the Birthday Curse. Mostly because there wasn't a lynch or NK yesterday, but I still feel like I dodged a bullet.

Sorry all, I have been more occupied lately than I anticipated. The poll time is also proving tough, since I work 8-5 and then have to Skype my girlfriend before she goes to sleep. So I'm mostly logging on just around when things are ending.

Anyway, I'll try catching up as much as I can over the next few days. I've been able to read about a page at a time, but you're all posting about 5 :P.

As far as thoughts for now, I'm leaning Boomslang. It looks to me like zeek (I think?) cleared Made, and I'm inclined to give DH a bit more time to be DH before I decide on him. Boomslang has been known to be rightly lynched early, iirc. (At the very least he's done it once, in MOTU.) He also wanted to lynch non-participants Day 1, which is always a major potential baddie move in my book.

However, I admit to ignorance of what the case on DF is. So if someone could be so kind as to enlighten me before the poll ends I'll consider that as well when I log back on from Skyping.

*placeholder (and potentially final vote) for Boomslang*

Linki: Gaah let me post!
That's interesting...

You know Boomslang RL like I do, why did you vote for him? You said he wanted to lynch non-participants D1, is that the only reason?

The case on DF... TH had some really well illustrated points, and I've been saying for a while that his D1 vote for MM smelled opportunistic, and his refusal to comment on either LC or DH even though he previously said he was wary of DH seemed odd to me.
Well there's that and his lack of baddie hunting (though heck, you could accuse me or any number of other people of that). There's also refusal to answer questions, but right before my post you posted that you didn't think refusal to answer questions was suspicious so I left it out. :P

I agree with timmer that it's not a super strong Day 3 case, but none of the others I've seen are any better. Now, allow me to play Devil's Advocate on your DF case. You said in Boomslang's case that not answering (timmer's?) questions wasn't suspicious, but DF not answering questions about DH or LC is. That seems like a double standard to me. Especially if you asked him in one of your larger posts, because I know I've missed questions from you in big posts before and that I'm not the only one.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Additionally, DF's suspicion of Made struck as equally opportunistic, and his most recent sentiment is that Made is still a suspect for acting "weird" even though he says he's less suspicious.
You've said opportunistic twice, but could you elucidate what you mean by that a little more? To me, slowly backing off of Made is just good mafia. I learned the hard way in Zelda that if you flip-flop too fast on people, no one will trust you and you'll lose. So I don't find that weird.

None of this to say that you're wrong about DF, just that the case on him seems no stronger than the one on Boomslang to me.

I would be interested to see the specifics of the opportunism you're alleging, though.
But I did say that Boomslang's not answering questions concerned me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If someone can correct me re: Boomslang, I'm all ears. But frankly, while I have no idea what his alignment is, he has consistently read genuine to me and I do NOT get the suspicion on him at all.

The only things that have made me nervous about Boomslang are a lack of suspects/baddie hunting and his ignoring of answering certain questions/posts occasionally.
I've said opportunistic because it really seemed like DF was drumming up a reason to vote for MM.

I don't understand. What's flip flopping about Made? DF said he thought Made was lying. But it's been shown that Made was NOT lying.

Who cares what's good mafia? You should post exactly what you mean. As a civilian, what do you have to lose?

If the case on DF is "no stronger", then is it weaker? I don't understand your wording here.

Your post really confounds me. I'm pinged by it.

In addition, why did I deserve the wand?

You're right, you did say Boom not answering questions was suspicious. My b, I misread.

As to DF on Made, I'm saying he's NOT flip-flopping, and that I can totally understand why he wouldn't, because in my experience flip-flopping is the fastest way to make people ignore everything you say, and possibly lynch you. So you have plenty to lose as a civ by flip-flopping, like the game.

And I'm not saying the DF case is weaker, I'm saying exactly what I meant - no stronger. I think they're equally weak, but my gut leans Boom so that's where my vote goes.

LinkI: I'm pretty sure Explorer is the SK, then.

FZ. - DO you have a better candidate in mind? I'm up for crazy, eleventh-hour pre-lynch shenanigans.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Congrats, zeek! That's amazing news!

I want everyone to know I survived the Birthday Curse. Mostly because there wasn't a lynch or NK yesterday, but I still feel like I dodged a bullet.

Sorry all, I have been more occupied lately than I anticipated. The poll time is also proving tough, since I work 8-5 and then have to Skype my girlfriend before she goes to sleep. So I'm mostly logging on just around when things are ending.

Anyway, I'll try catching up as much as I can over the next few days. I've been able to read about a page at a time, but you're all posting about 5 :P.

As far as thoughts for now, I'm leaning Boomslang. It looks to me like zeek (I think?) cleared Made, and I'm inclined to give DH a bit more time to be DH before I decide on him. Boomslang has been known to be rightly lynched early, iirc. (At the very least he's done it once, in MOTU.) He also wanted to lynch non-participants Day 1, which is always a major potential baddie move in my book.

However, I admit to ignorance of what the case on DF is. So if someone could be so kind as to enlighten me before the poll ends I'll consider that as well when I log back on from Skyping.

*placeholder (and potentially final vote) for Boomslang*

Linki: Gaah let me post!
That's interesting...

You know Boomslang RL like I do, why did you vote for him? You said he wanted to lynch non-participants D1, is that the only reason?

The case on DF... TH had some really well illustrated points, and I've been saying for a while that his D1 vote for MM smelled opportunistic, and his refusal to comment on either LC or DH even though he previously said he was wary of DH seemed odd to me.

Well there's that and his lack of baddie hunting (though heck, you could accuse me or any number of other people of that). There's also refusal to answer questions, but right before my post you posted that you didn't think refusal to answer questions was suspicious so I left it out. :P

I agree with timmer that it's not a super strong Day 3 case, but none of the others I've seen are any better. Now, allow me to play Devil's Advocate on your DF case. You said in Boomslang's case that not answering (timmer's?) questions wasn't suspicious, but DF not answering questions about DH or LC is. That seems like a double standard to me. Especially if you asked him in one of your larger posts, because I know I've missed questions from you in big posts before and that I'm not the only one.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Additionally, DF's suspicion of Made struck as equally opportunistic, and his most recent sentiment is that Made is still a suspect for acting "weird" even though he says he's less suspicious.

You've said opportunistic twice, but could you elucidate what you mean by that a little more? To me, slowly backing off of Made is just good mafia. I learned the hard way in Zelda that if you flip-flop too fast on people, no one will trust you and you'll lose. So I don't find that weird.

None of this to say that you're wrong about DF, just that the case on him seems no stronger than the one on Boomslang to me.

I would be interested to see the specifics of the opportunism you're alleging, though.

Congrats, zeek! That's amazing news!

I want everyone to know I survived the Birthday Curse. Mostly because there wasn't a lynch or NK yesterday, but I still feel like I dodged a bullet.

Sorry all, I have been more occupied lately than I anticipated. The poll time is also proving tough, since I work 8-5 and then have to Skype my girlfriend before she goes to sleep. So I'm mostly logging on just around when things are ending.

Anyway, I'll try catching up as much as I can over the next few days. I've been able to read about a page at a time, but you're all posting about 5 :P.

As far as thoughts for now, I'm leaning Boomslang. It looks to me like zeek (I think?) cleared Made, and I'm inclined to give DH a bit more time to be DH before I decide on him. Boomslang has been known to be rightly lynched early, iirc. (At the very least he's done it once, in MOTU.) He also wanted to lynch non-participants Day 1, which is always a major potential baddie move in my book.

However, I admit to ignorance of what the case on DF is. So if someone could be so kind as to enlighten me before the poll ends I'll consider that as well when I log back on from Skyping.

*placeholder (and potentially final vote) for Boomslang*

Linki: Gaah let me post!

juliets wrote: MP, lol I didn't play Cars but I understand what you mean in the games we have played together. I think it's because my style is pretty consistent regardless of alignment.

So this is not the best example of what I'm pointing out, but it's at least a reasonably decent one until I have time to go back and hunt for one. Lots of people (at least 4 that I've counted, though I forget who) have self-analyzed their play style so far, and this goes as far back as Day 1. Did I miss something and that's normal now, or is it a new norm? In my experience, people saying they're playing their civ game is both pointless (because 1. if they knew they had a "baddie game" then of course they wouldn't play it because it would get them caught and 2. they could be lying) and pingy as hell. It seems mostly like it's being let go this game, though.

As I said, juliets' post isn't the best example. But someone definitely said "I'm playing my civ game" or something very similar a while ago. If I find them, I plan to suspect them, and any help finding them would be appreciated.

My vote doesn't matter, but I didn't want to miss, and MP deserves a wand.

RIP, llama. I cannot believe I missed yet another poll. I really need to nail down the period end time. I haven't seen it on any of the polls, is it 6pm EST?

Uh, crap, sorry DF. Hope you haven't had burning thoughts to express.

The case on Made looks good to me. In fact it kinda reminds me of INH's play at the beginning of last year's Champions game. Very outlandish claims to gain some type of advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if Made were an indy trying to gain influence, like INH was. (Obviously not the same way though.)

Yay, DF! Hobbit fans unite! I have partner, wheeee

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