The Syndicate

Nice game everyone. Sorry I called you a liar, Nova. I figured I had to seem really, legitimately angry or no one would believe it.
The Mac kill was a hail Mary, because I couldn't see any way to talk you guys out of voting me with a juliets or sloonei kill, so I was hoping the Mac kill would be weird enough to shake your confidence.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:15 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:13 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:08 pm Very weird succession of MyLos we just had.

Think how stressful it is for me? I'm about to be killed by the sneakiest mafia ever.

Lol I feel you. I'm really convinced it's you with all the re-reading I've made. I've been tinfoiling Sloonei to make sure everything is all right, and there are mountains between both of you.

I'll be sad if I got you wrong, and I'll be sure to apologize

Spoken like a gentleman, and I'll apologize if I was wrong about you as well.

I'm changing my vote to Sloonei, because why not?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:08 pm Very weird succession of MyLos we just had.

Think how stressful it is for me? I'm about to be killed by the sneakiest mafia ever.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:42 pm Imagine a world where good old Nova is the towniest of townies, what would be your reasons to suspect Sloonei outside of if it ain't me, it's him?

I can't think of anything besides comfortably steering the thread from the start, and seeming entirely too happy with the current status quo. He said he was going to reevaluate my case against you as Mongoose's teammates, but I can see no evidence thta he did so. I would expect him to show a bit more paranoia at MYLO.

Anyone feel like changing their vote off me?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:26 pm I still think it would be useful to take a dive into mongoose’s posts to see if anything new shakes loose, but I don’t have the time right now, nor do I feel a sense of urgency. Everything nova has done this game just makes me read him more strongly as town, and the only way juliets is scum is if llama has a counterclaim that he’s been neglecting to share with us since Day 2.

I don't have a counterclaim. I'm a vanilla civ. Which again, makes this an inconvenient spot for me to be in. I can't make a case on you, because I think you're civ. I can't make a case on Juliets, because I can't counterclaim her. The Mac kill means I can't make a case on him. The only possibility as I see it is Nova, and I've already made the best case I can on him.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:25 am I'm a sucker for "for now" and "by process of elimination". If you're Town, talk to me about Sloonei 'cause I'm Town and I have next to nothing on him.

Iwish I could, but I don't have anything on him either. I'm convinced it's you.

Hey guys, I have to be at an event most of the day today, but I will be around to discus the Night Kill and other matter after about 4 today.
For now I am [VOTE: Nova] aubergine by process of elimination.

Sloonei, I urge you to consider the possibility that Nova is Mongoose's teammate. I stand by my ISO of their interactions that they look totally compatible. And I don't think I am wrong about you, Mac, or juliets.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:31 pm Nice. Llama tomorrow, I think.

Let's not, though.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:21 pm Me too!

At last we agree on something.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:31 am I think WAY TOO MUCH has been made of his first post. I don't think it's suspicious at all.

Agreed, but I want to point out that I only mentioned it casually a few times. It got made into a thing when Nova got all up in my grill for mentioning it casually a few times and then we had to go back and forth about it for infinity. But I am happy to drop it now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:47 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:46 pm This is a lot of posting by Mongoose, and I appreciate that she is trying to defend herself, but none of it changes the fact that she is the one person who is likely to be on every possible mafia team combination.

But does that mean she has to be bad?

She has to be bad unless you are, juliets is, or Nova and Mac are the best baddie team ever.

This is a lot of posting by Mongoose, and I appreciate that she is trying to defend herself, but none of it changes the fact that she is the one person who is likely to be on every possible mafia team combination.

Hey guys, sorry I haven't ben around. Busy work day today. I don't have too much to add except to say that Mongoose is the obvious choice for a lynch today, and I'm pleased you all seem to have reached that same conclusion.

Assuming Juliets is as she appears to be, and that I'm right about Sloonei being town, the mafia is either Mongoose/Nova, Mongoose/Mac or Mac/Nova. I simply don't believe Mac/Nova is possible, therefore it has to be Mongoose. QED.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:05 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:02 pm Everyone notice how Nova immediately moved his vote off his teammate once I voted.

linki: because he has smugly convinced a majority of the players that I am bad and that he is not.

We have ~20 hours left and I'm pretty sure I'm the only other person who's definitively leaning towards you, and I arrived here without nova's help. Your description does not match my interpretation of reality.

YOu asked why he thinks he's about to win, not why he's actually about to win.

Everyone notice how Nova immediately moved his vote off his teammate once I voted.

linki: because he has smugly convinced a majority of the players that I am bad and that he is not.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:57 pm Also, no offense taken at being called a liar

I'm done interacting with you. Your phoney moral high ground is easy now that you think your team is about to win.

Vote for me if you want the mafia to win.

I'm going to bed, but I'm [VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine before I do.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 pm I brought it up once. Where are you getting "keep bringing it up"?

This is a lie, which you admit in the very next post.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:46 pm The other times I brought up the number of my post is about you not dinging into them and developing a read, not them having a bearing on my alignment.

Stop lying, liar.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @ you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

I also talked a lot about Mongoose during the day. I am confident that she and Nova are bad. I agree that Juliets is a confirmed civ. I looked hard for evidence of you being bad and didn't find it. It is remotely possible that Mac is bad, but I don't believe he is. Everyone else is dead.

Walk me through mac and mongoose reads.

Okay, my Mongoose read is basically based around her being blendy for the whole game. No strong reads, no strong cases, lots of wishy-washiness, lots of excuses, and most of all an eagerness to please when called out. She has cited your wishes as a reason to "do better", which I find suspicious. She seems very eager to look good and play into expectations. She mentioned modifying her playstyle early on. I find that weird. I don't modify my playstyle. She has been coasting and failing to ruffle any feathers, even when she comes under suspicion. She plays more defense than offense, which I associate with baddies because saying "I'm not bad" is easier than making a fake case on someone you know to be good. Also, the tone of a few of her posts has seemed contrived and inauthentic to me.

As for Mac, it's the exact opposite. He came in guns a blazing, not afraid to throw out "I'm positive x is bad" reads all over the place. He appears to have no concern about drawing attention to himself or trying to cover himself should he turn out to be wrong about anything. He throws caution to the wind. A particularly bold and confident baddie could potentially pull this off, but it's incredibly hard to do convincingly. If his teammate is Nova, then he has an ability to conjure up fake outrage and energy that I have rarely seen. If he is bad, I think Mongoose is more likely to be his teammate for this reason.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Content volume should definitely be a factor in our reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

nova's not usually a 300-posts-in-2-Days kinda guy. This is an unusually high volume of content from him.

I'll always vouch at least a little bit for content volume as a potential alignment indicator. I know first hand how difficult it is to fake an extremely high level of participation.

Sorry, I think this is dumb. Have you never played with a baddie Epignosis or a baddie MP? They drown the thread in posts when bad. I have seen talkative baddies too many times to clear someone because he has 300 posts. And I think the fact thta he keeps bringing it up is super lame, because it doesn't prove anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:01 pm @thellama73 you've talked about nova most of the day. I'm interested in your reads on everybody else now.

I also talked a lot about Mongoose during the day. I am confident that she and Nova are bad. I agree that Juliets is a confirmed civ. I looked hard for evidence of you being bad and didn't find it. It is remotely possible that Mac is bad, but I don't believe he is. Everyone else is dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:33 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 pm Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

What if I say I don't know what the inorganic part is?

The inorganic part is the initial ping. I don't believe that a civilian would be pinged by me repeating a consistent read on them throughout Night 1. Remember, I subbed in after Day 1, so I didn't have as long to meditate on my reads as other players had. I think it was a phony ping, designed to begin a larger case, and that's what I find inorganic.

I do not get this impression. I can see nova being pinged by it. You brought up multiple times his initial post in the game as the potential foundation of a larger case (much like you're accusing him of doing). After this happened a few times, nova took notice and began to wonder why this was a significant issue to you, and why you had not dug deeper into the case than that. As he says, he's been near the very top in content volume in this game since you got here. As I see it, you initiated this entire exchange, so it seems every bit as reasonable, if not more so, to say that you were the one planting seeds for a larger case later.

Also, for the record, this was his first mention of you:

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:42 am Quite an entrance from Llama dude. Not bad

How do we reconcile that with "nova wanted to plant seeds against llama from the beginning"?

Not from the beginning. At a certain point in time. I don't know what inspired that decision. Maybe the failure of his case on Mac to gain traction.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm Yep, just like a civilian would not develop a read on someone with over 300 posts but rather always keep them neutral as to leave options open. Doing so using, or milking should I say, a NOT AT ALL phony ping about "Hi! I'm Nova and I'm tired of losing".

You didn't have 300 posts at the time. And having a lot of posts does not make you civilian. The fact that you think it does is insulting to the intelligence of everyone here.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm I think llama and mongoose coordinated their moves yesterday. I think they deliberately tried to pocket Mac by puffing up his case on nova.

If I’m boiling it down to one issue that makes me think it’s llama/mongoose instead of llama/mac, that’s it.

Coordinating our moves makes me think of Llama and I being on a dance floor together, which seems rather unlikely.

In theory, the idea of Llama and I being on a baddie team (or any team) sounds quite twee, but here's how that dialogue would go of us trying to formulate a plan.

Me: Okay, I am going to say this. You back me up by saying this.

Him: Don't tell me what to do.

Me: You're being unreasonable.

Him: You're being unreasonable.

Me: Fine say whatever you want.

///

That dialogue above would also work if you swapped out the names.


Also, super soz I haven't been around today. I have felt super ratty and ended up sleeping most of the day or eating a lot of red meat.

True, but we are both in Murder Park.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 pm Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

What if I say I don't know what the inorganic part is?

The inorganic part is the initial ping. I don't believe that a civilian would be pinged by me repeating a consistent read on them throughout Night 1. Remember, I subbed in after Day 1, so I didn't have as long to meditate on my reads as other players had. I think it was a phony ping, designed to begin a larger case, and that's what I find inorganic.

Oh, sorry, I forgot to put the HURR DURR I supposedly say into my last post.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nova's initial ping was THE BEGINNING of his case against me. I never said he leapt into it immediately scum-reading me. I said it was the thin end of the wedge designed to gradually ramp up a case against me in a way that looked organic. Nothing in Nova's post up there^ discredits my position on this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:47 pm I stand by it. Could you elaborate on why exactly this bothers you, llama?

Glad to. I found it really weird, because he was pinged by me repeating the same statement about him multiple times (that he pinged me early, but hadn't done much suspicious sense.) I pointed out that my read of him was consistent and asked why that was suspicious, and he said he would have expected me to "forget about it" since it was a minor thing. I responded that it had been a short period of time (under 72 hours) since I had the initial suspicion and why would he expect me to forget something I said/felt about him. He responded that he didn't expect me to forget it, which led to quibbling about the word "about" and its meaning. From there, he progressed from a ping to a full on suspicion of me.

Now, to me, that reads like someone who wanted to come after me, and needed to find an excuse to do it. As Nova himself points out I had really only said one thing about him so far, so he didn't have a lot to go on. He seized my one point about him, labeled it a ping, and from there developed it into more than a ping. I don't buy that any of that is authentic, especially given that I didn't find his case on Mac authentic either.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:32 pm
I did give a disclaim. However, I'm not sure how that missed quote help your case. It's in the same vein of "I don't like this", "I'm not convinced", and back to "gut read" lol.

Before the previous phase, refers to before N2. Show me the solidification that happened during D2.

It doesn't help me or hurt me beyond demonstrating the untruth of your previous statement, and thta you don't care to tell the truth about me.

This is where my real suspicion of you started:

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:17 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:14 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:13 pm Poll: Nova is unruffled by Mac Attack. Is this because
a) Mac is only one person and Nova, confident in his own innocence, does not feel in serious danger?
b) Nova is a cocky baddie aware that it only takes a couple of mislynches for his team to win, and is celebrating early?

Can we get a poll for Mac? I think the same options qualify.

Sure, if you like.

@Sloonei Do you think this post is truthful? I haven't made up my mind yet.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:04 pm Llama's been pretty consistent with his "got pinged early" read on me. It's giving me the heebie jeebies

Granted, I didn't elaborate very much on it until Night 2. But at this point I was thinking you were bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:21 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:16 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:13 pm Or setting herself up to vote me up as the last needed mislynch, like someone I know that has been pinged through 317 posts by "Hi! My name is Nova and I'm tired of losing".

I was pinged by that in the beginning. I didn't actually start thinking you were bad until you used that ping as a rock to found your case against me on. Now you're just being intentionally dishonest.

Here's all your mentions of me before the previous phase. Feel free to add any I'm missing.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:57 pm novaselinenever - I was pinged by her post expressing frustration over not having won in a while. Could be the result of being given a baddie role and feeling outnumbered.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:32 pm It's a tone thing. Mafia tend to be more defensive and feel more vulnerable. I would expect fear or anxiety over losing, even if said in jest, more from a mafia member than a civilian.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:01 pm I have not felt too good about Nova from the beginning, but I don't have very much concrete to go on.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:52 pm Nova: Pinged me early on, but has been a good participant with useful contributions lately.

False.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:06 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:53 am Ok thanks llama that's very helpful. Can you be more specific on what you are seeing in nova that causes you to call him bad? If you have done that and I missed it, my apologies.

Not a lot concrete. I found the initial "tired of losing" comment suspicious. Others have gone on to explain that away, but I don't know that I'm convinced. I don't like Nova's case on Mac. Very unconvincing to me. Call it a gut read if you like.

And nice slight of hand with the "before the previous phase" comment. Yeah, I said "early on," so I already confirmed that. My suspicion of you solidified in Day 2. Do you think the fact that it didn't solidify before Day 2 is somehow a gotcha point?

Also, juliets come back and answer my question from forever ago. Who are your two picks for the mafia right now?

Sloonei, how do you interpret the interactions between Mongoose and Nova I posted?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:13 pm Or setting herself up to vote me up as the last needed mislynch, like someone I know that has been pinged through 317 posts by "Hi! My name is Nova and I'm tired of losing".

I was pinged by that in the beginning. I didn't actually start thinking you were bad until you used that ping as a rock to found your case against me on. Now you're just being intentionally dishonest.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:26 pm no but seriously, i really did feel mongoose's entry was a little more stiff than her previous two.

Do you blame me after the raucous first day I had in Gossip Girl? That was brutalizing.

You got a read on dunya or nova?

Not yet, but I will amend when I do. I've played with them recently, so I could see a cabal thinking "Let's put a little pressure on Mongoose - she will get defensive and act weird and then we can vote her out early." I could also see them just desperate to grab onto any inkling of a ping on Day 0/Day 1 like we all are.

linki - Calibrating my playstyle to more suit this new world of mafia seems not only sensible but prudent. I'd expect anyone to do the same after playing one short game and literally one day period of another. My old style, which you would be unfamiliar with, seems a little antiquated for this new mafia landscape. It's more different than I could have ever realized.

No read on nova.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:22 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:29 pm I'll have to agree with Dunya also about Luna's read on her. That "Town shines brightly" is funny looking, and it looks like something right out of Jay's eloquent gut reads.

But since Jay can’t be a teammate, what do you think this means? (Ignore this please if you answered it later in the thread, I’ll see it then). Thanks!

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:45 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:55 pm I'd like to hear more from Mongoose, so I'll wait for her to catch up

Thank you! If I missed anyone’s questions for me, please let me know. I tried to reply to anytime I was asked a question or mentioned in more than just passing.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:19 pm I don’t know what my afternoon is going to look like other than a gauntlet of intense meetings, so I’m going to choose No Lynch. Day 1 votes are my most despised segment of a mafia game (as you may remember from the way back machine) so I’m going to let my vote sit here. I’m not down with a Juliets lynch and I’m not into voting for the new kid in his first ‘day’ either. Or an absentee player.

Why do I hate Day 1 so much? I always need more time (typically) before I can make a cashew or get a strong ping. I don’t want to recapitulate what I did above but I’m trying to foresee questions before I’m AWOL for a while/ rest of the afternoon. I’m getting a pre-ping on Luna and nova, but am I really? Do I just not know them yet? I just don’t think a first day mislynch is gonna do the town any favors if we can’t get our shizz together.

If I have time and can read, I will absolutely catch up on the thread and vote if I’m feeling something. I just don’t want to not vote either.

Linki cakes

This is a terrible time (legislative session) for me to be in a game so I’m trying the best I can - bear with me!

Pre-ping on Nova.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:08 pm sloonei, maybe you missed my previous post. what about mongoose is town to you?

Sincerity. While I don’t think she’s given a ton of reads, she has been an open and willing participant in conversations whenever she’s been around. I don’t feel like she’s hiding.

But she hasn’t shared many reads.

I thought I had.

I feel Sloonei, Mac and Juliets are town.
Dunya and nova probably town
Colin is on border of town
Luna eep
MP and sprityo ??

Linki
Running out of time

Nova probably town.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know why but the first thing that came to my mind for reconsideration is my read on Luna.

Yes let’s discuss

IN BTSC?!?!

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:55 pm Oof, I am married to so few of these.

SUBECT TO CHANGE

ColinIsCool good
dunya good
juliets good
Lunalee bad?
MacDougall good
Mongoose goodgoose
novaselinenever good
Sloonei angelic

This is not going to work out well for me.

Nova good.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:43 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:20 am I just spent an entire night not sleeping so I might be insane right now, but I think you’re both town.

Ok, after reading the Nova/Mac drama, where Mac accuses Nova of being teammates with Sloonei, Sloonei says this. And it looks like something a teammate would totally do.

I GET this read but I just cannot fathom Sloonei being mafia. I think I could be talked into Nova (although not just because he won’t get off Mac’s ass - we’ve all been super wrong before with needless civ on civ violence ), but I just can’t with Sloonei

Linki

Could be talked into voting Nova.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:48 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 pm You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

Nova is reddish.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:54 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:50 am

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:48 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 pm You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

Is that so? This is the first time I'm hearing of it.

You’re not wrong. (Nothing big yet)

I’ll be around as much as I can today but honestly I need a break right now after that gauntlet of a catch up

Backs down immediately on being challenged.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:19 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:17 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:10 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:08 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:50 pm Does anyone think it's likely that Luna never misunderstood the matrix, but is mafia and made up the fake claim and pretended not to understand it to make her claim more believable?

Personally, I would bet against this possibility. My theory is she legitimately misunderstood the matrix, but fake role-claimed anyway because, to quote her, she "had nothing to lose."

It doesn't make sense any way you slice it that you have "nothing to lose".

I don't understand this post.

Perhaps lol. I disagree though, the original ping itself (yours) is pretty weak. It's about my first comment in thread "tired to lose" that one has to milk heavily in order to extrapolate a scum read from. I feel that'd be pretty natural for someone to forget about it with how many other posts and content I have that can be analyzed for reads. Repeating it several times (especially when it's contrasted by a "I feel better about him now/recently") strikes me as being extremely self-aware to and attempt to keep consistency that isn't natural.

Did you reply to the wrong post?

A little helpful correction among friends here.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:32 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:29 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:27 pm Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Man, that was a weird ping. Whether you have lost or not seems super based in fact (and not alignment indicative).

Soft support for Nova's case against me.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:51 am I really think Mac could be onto something. Nova's got the reddest hue in my rainbow.

The reddest hue.

So what do we make of the fact that Mongoose has steadily read Nova as worse and worse throughout the entire game, starting from civilian to "the reddest hue"? Personally, I don't see any explanation of this development apart from "I think Mac is onto something." SO in summary, yes, I do think they are compatible teammates, with Mongoose trying to throw a little (but not too much) shade on Nova as a cover.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:49 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 pm Is Mongoose/Nova compatiblegh?

Yes. Go read my ISO of Nova's interactions with Mongoose.

What about Mongoose's interactions with nova?

That's a good point. I should go look at those.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:49 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:40 pm To be clear, I don’t disbelieve the story one way or other. And actually, believing the story makes me feel slightly worse about llama. What I’m bothered by is llama’s “softball setup” in your words. It reads like he and mongoose conspired to get this narrative out there quickly and on their own terms so that the issue could be swept under the rug (hence also treating colin as a friend most of the day).

Llama was not the only one who took issue with the No Lynch votes. I did too, and I was not alone in that prior to llama’s entry into the game.

How is it a "softball setup"? I demanded an explanation and I got one that satisfied me. I'm confused about how you think I should have asked that question.

"Softball setup" was juliets' way of framing it, but I did co-sign it so I guess I'm in this with her.

It felt like a sterile question. You seemed to frame it somewhat deliberately and then she seemed too well prepared in her response to it. It was apparently one of the two most pressing issues for you at the start of the day, but you accepted her story right away and did not bring it up again.

I did accept the story right away, so guilty there I guess. I found it believable. I don't think she would make up that story, and if she didn't make it up, there was no point in belaboring the issue. You might have noticed thta I posed the same question to Colin in the same way.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:43 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:44 pm Llama iso’d everyone at mylo and came to no new conclusions.

What conclusion should I have come to?

I dunno, it's just odd to see a player commit to rereading everybody at MYLO and then come out of the exercise with absolutely no new reads on anybody. Where's the nerve-wracking paranoia?

He didn't reread me that's for sure. Microwaved the "I don't like this", "I don't like that" and served it with a side of Nova/Mongoose compatibility.

I did reread you, as a matter of fact.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:45 pm Is Mongoose/Nova compatiblegh?

Yes. Go read my ISO of Nova's interactions with Mongoose.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:40 pm To be clear, I don’t disbelieve the story one way or other. And actually, believing the story makes me feel slightly worse about llama. What I’m bothered by is llama’s “softball setup” in your words. It reads like he and mongoose conspired to get this narrative out there quickly and on their own terms so that the issue could be swept under the rug (hence also treating colin as a friend most of the day).

Llama was not the only one who took issue with the No Lynch votes. I did too, and I was not alone in that prior to llama’s entry into the game.

How is it a "softball setup"? I demanded an explanation and I got one that satisfied me. I'm confused about how you think I should have asked that question.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm I have 300 posts in this game. Anyone that thinks I'm bad is crazy lol.

Because mafia never post a lot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:44 pm Llama iso’d everyone at mylo and came to no new conclusions.

What conclusion should I have come to?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:37 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:08 pm Yeah I don’t like llama’s handling of this issue.

To elaborate: the main (only) reason that I’m a suspect is my handling of the luna plan yesterday. Llama brushed over this in his ISO, giving it an arbitrary nod as “bad”, but didn’t have anything else ro say about it. He came out with a town read but doesn’t really address the most controversial moment in my ISO. If he’s mafia he has no incentive to actually come to my defense, he just needs to put the work in to justify a town read on me tomorrow.

When I pressed him on the issue, he kind of just reiterated the basic take on it: “it was a bad look but it doesn’t outweigh the rest of your posts.”

No elaboration on why its bad. No attempted justification of why a civilian would act that way. Llama doesn’t care about this read.

I don't care about the read because I'm confident you're civilian. You misunderstand my analysis. I went through your posts looking for reasons to think you might be bad, and that was the only thing I could come up with, really. I didn't find it convincing, but I put it in the bad column since Mac keeps talking about it. I don't actually think it makes you look bad.

Wait what? You don’t think it looks bad? You just said it does because that’s what somebody else said?

You're not listening to me. I put it in the "against" column because it was an anomaly and an inconsistency in your game. In the context of the rest of your play, I don't think it makes you look bad, however.

Now I'm going out for a while. I'll respond to any further questions when I get back.

Okay, so after rereading Nova, I am more convinced than ever that the Mafia team consists of him and Mongoose. I don't believe his initial ping on me was genuine. I don't think his case on Mac was genuine either.
So, I looked at his interactions with Mongoose to see if I can see them as teammates. Here they are (not all of them. I left out some repetitive rainbow lists for brevity's sake).

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:34 pm Third time's the charm?

Appeal to history? Appeal to emotions?

Not a good look madam

This comes right after saying "I'm tired of losing", so a bit hypocritical.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:21 am Really liked her Mongoose stuff early on, and the later's response read to me like some appeal to emotions lol. I'm not sure I have the heart to go through with a lynch on her though, I'd feel really bad especially with her post about contemplating changing her play style.

I'm soft like that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:55 pm I'd like to hear more from Mongoose, so I'll wait for her to catch up

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:04 pm Also let's not even get to that point

I’ve got no desire to go there yet. How do you feel about everybody?

I have a reason to townread yourself, Dunya and Luna. I have nothing on MP, and I still await his promised arrival.

I have no reason to townread Colin, Sprit, Juliet, Mongoose and Mac. I feel the worse about the last 3 and would see myself lynching there.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:34 pm that doesn't make me feel any better since i checked your iso for mentions of mongoose and you never indicated these "suspicions" that echoed luna's before either.

I'm pretty sure in my first 5 posts, I showed suspicions of Mongoose. Iso better.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:45 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:41 pm quite difficult. if you suspect luna, why does her scum reading mongoose make you townread her? mongoose is not someone you've shown any inclination to lynch. i've tried a few times to get that lynch going, even this afternoon, and you didn't even comment on it. if you had those suspicions, why wouldn't you have.

my point is that i don't believe anything you're saying.

When did I suspect Luna lol? I've made some observations about some of her stuff, but I've never branded her a suspect or voted her. I also made observation about some of your stuff and some of Sloonei's stuff, yet you're saying that I suspect both of you.

I find it funny that you're grasping at the mongoose stuff yet ignoring the other reasons I town read her. Her suspicions of mongoose make me townread her because I vibe with her thoughts. They echo mine which makes me believe their genuine. That post of her is something I had in my head almost word for word. That's why I townread her for it. I can only one person, and the person I want lynched the most is Mac, that's what I'm working on.

Suit yourself.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:47 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:08 pm sloonei, maybe you missed my previous post. what about mongoose is town to you?

Sincerity. While I don’t think she’s given a ton of reads, she has been an open and willing participant in conversations whenever she’s been around. I don’t feel like she’s hiding.

But she hasn’t shared many reads.

I thought I had.

I feel Sloonei, Mac and Juliets are town.
Dunya and nova probably town
Colin is on border of town
Luna eep
MP and sprityo ??

Linki
Running out of time

Who do you want to lynch if no lynch isn't an option?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:57 pm Mongoose, you're killing me. Back to no lynch after being confronted?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:57 pm Mongoose!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:01 pm That's a PoE of 4 in that scenario,

Mac
Luna
Mongoose
MP

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 pm Without re-reading, this is where I'm at currently. I think it might very change drastically so I'll go to the lab

ColinIsCool - good
dunya - good
juliets - good
Lunalee - good
M Plus 7 - good
MacDougall - bad
Mongoose - bad
novaselinenever - great
Sloonei - great

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:27 am

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know why but the first thing that came to my mind for reconsideration is my read on Luna.

Yes let’s discuss

Let's! I'm yet to hear what makes you feel uneasy about her outside of being unable to read her.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:28 am

Mongoose wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:23 am Who is left in the pool that I can lock? Is Mac available? Since Juliets and Sloonei were taken, I’ll pick him.

Only the cool kids can lock someone

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:50 am

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:48 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 pm You know, I sort of think nova stood up to Mac's suspicions pretty well. Instead of conceding to Mac's questioning, or changing his opinions to get on Mac's side, he dug his feet in hard, and fired back with every reason to do so. I'm just not convinced he's scum because of it.

That’s a fair point. (Nova is my next reddish pick after Luna, so I’m following this along closely as well)

Is that so? This is the first time I'm hearing of it.

He has a jokey, minor ping on Mongoose based on her first post. Then he says he feels good about her. Then he consistently reads her as bad the rest of the game. But looking at his actual conversations with her rather than about her, they are much more lighthearted and congenial when contrasted with the way he treats his other suspects, namely Mac. I think they are on a team together, and one of them will get my vote tomorrow.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:08 pm Yeah I don’t like llama’s handling of this issue.

To elaborate: the main (only) reason that I’m a suspect is my handling of the luna plan yesterday. Llama brushed over this in his ISO, giving it an arbitrary nod as “bad”, but didn’t have anything else ro say about it. He came out with a town read but doesn’t really address the most controversial moment in my ISO. If he’s mafia he has no incentive to actually come to my defense, he just needs to put the work in to justify a town read on me tomorrow.

When I pressed him on the issue, he kind of just reiterated the basic take on it: “it was a bad look but it doesn’t outweigh the rest of your posts.”

No elaboration on why its bad. No attempted justification of why a civilian would act that way. Llama doesn’t care about this read.

I don't care about the read because I'm confident you're civilian. You misunderstand my analysis. I went through your posts looking for reasons to think you might be bad, and that was the only thing I could come up with, really. I didn't find it convincing, but I put it in the bad column since Mac keeps talking about it. I don't actually think it makes you look bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:56 am @thellama73 one more question about Mongoose. I see her hesitance giving bad reads as a product of her not being used to reads day 1 in a game (it used to not be as prevalent as it is now) and her hesitance to condemn people. My experience with her in discord is she would rather not do anything to upset another person and will many times shift the conversation away from controversy that might cause bad feelings. I understand that she is excellent at her job which at times requires her to be adversarial but I see that as a role she plays in life. Does that logic I have about her hesitating to give bad reads not hold up for you? I mean I acknowledge I could be utterly wrong.

linki x a lot

Yes, that is generally her personality, but it also happens to be a playstyle that is very helpful to the mafia. Being noncommittal doesn't help the civs win. Being eager to please is something mafia members do, because they tend to be hyper-aware of the threat of lynching. I guess what I would say is her play so far has ben consistent with her being a mafia member in a way thta I don't think Mac or Sloonei's has been, and if she can use her natural personality as a cover for that, so much the better for her. Who do you think the two mafia members are?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:55 am

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:52 am

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:45 am How do you explain my behavior from end of Day 2/start of Night 2?

I don't think it requires much explanation. You read like a civilian sincerely baddie hunting, which is what I would expect.

I’d appreciate an explanation.

I don't understand what you are asking. What part of your behavior do you believe requires explanation?

The part that others suspect me for. Why did I change my vote to colin? You said that my backing out of the plan was a bad look. Why? And why do I still get a town read after that?

Why did oyu change your vote? I don't know. You tell me.
Why was backing out of the plana bad look? Because, as Mac said, the plan would Civ-confirm Luna, which would not benefit the mafia. You said you supported the plan, so why not commit to it?
Why do you still get a town cred? Because you are playing like town, and one inconsistency isn't enough to make me throw out your whole game. As you may have noticed, I am weighing up points I believe to be in various players' favor, and also the things thta make them look bad. Everyone has both, but not everyone is bad, clearly.