The Syndicate

Why did you kill me?

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Your messages were inspired, G-Man. Not sure how I couldn't tell they were from you earlier!

Awesome stuff, as always, Rico.

Hey, so now both Rico and Golden are at a win % of 57.14% (4 out of 7 games), right behind Nevinera's 63.64%.
Here's a little fun fact. I am the only person on the Syndicate to be lynched on Day 1 and still win in a game (Biblical Mafia).

Technically Golden did the same in Economics, but he replaced back in to a different role.
Here is a fun fact. Technically MM is the only person to do something that technically I also did.

What about DF in the flash. Was he NKed night one?

Basically... he was imprisoned by The Flash, which was the Civvie "kill". It wasn't until much later in the game that we figured out that we had to go to Iron Heights and free him. We were a baddie team without a kill, and we figured that since we hadn't inherited the kill, then Plunder was still alive. Once the last of the inactives was killed, we realized it had to be an imprisoned player, and of the three in Iron Heights, DFaraday was by far the most logical conclusion, and we freed him just in the knick of time, and he joined us for the win.

But there was no reason to vote anyone else at the time. You put in one suspect, and three trusteds. DAMN though, should have gone with Russ. I trusted him from an early post that felt genuine to me.

I did not role-hint, but I was still nightkilled.

Why??

Also, I called MM being the Comedian immediately when he claimed to have gotten something from the night poll. Because I'm just that awesome.

Ricochet wrote:So Llama never got to clean Rorschach's list one bit. LC never had a chance.

No chance at all. I thought maybe the psychoanalyst might clean up the guilty for me by endgame, but that never could happen... and the Civs didn't win anyway.

Ricochet wrote:-- If LC tracked anyone on N3 (even if it proved pointless)

I tracked DDL on Night 3, and found that he had targeted (aka resurrected) Scotty. So I knew he was Manhattan back then, but couldn't do anything about it.

DharmaHelper wrote:
-- Whether DH used any abilities in the two nights he was alive (and what and on whom)
4-Person poll thingy and protection on myself, I think.

WHY did you include me in that poll?

And why, baddies, did you choose to kill me on Night 3?

Epignosis wrote:I hope you all enjoyed the unusual host posts. I had a lot of fun making those. They were a test run for the game Long Con and I plan to run, Arkham Mafia, in which we will combine my recording skills with Long Con's graphic prowess to make an immersive experience.

Oh, snap! It's gonna be on, ladies and gentlemen.

Rico, I didn't get to take part in any of these crazy games or whatever that you made, but when we get our Internet back (still down from a big storm) then I am looking forward to taking a peek. Especially this Flash maze! I actually have a Flash maze myself that I bust out in games I host, it would be excellent to compare notes. 90 MB is too much though, I'm getting Internet from my phone's data plan right now, which is already over the limit, costing me five cents per MB.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll conduct ISO's of my own tonight, and then I can reorder my mafia reads, which are sort of jumbled at the moment. I'm trying NOT to tunnel Cookie (or Elo, for that matter), so I need to re-read before I post a rainbow list.

LC, I also meant to say I'm a bit perplexed on some of your rainbow list reads, though I'm really glad you provided them. I have the following questions/requests for elaboration:
- Metalmarsh as top civ read? Yeah, he's up there for me. Mostly gut, that's just where I want him on my list right now.
- Why timmer/juliets placed where she is? She kind of just got stuck there when I was cutting and pasting names into a suspicion order.
- Why do you have Elo so much higher than Cookie? I thought Cookie's talk about the next vote was suspicious, and I have re-evaluated Eloh and I find her more Civ. Someone pointed out that her interactions with Sloonei were not very baddie-teammate-seeming, and I agree with that.... it outweighs the things that I found suspicious about her before.
- Does the "yellow" for Russ and DDL equate to "no read", or "slight mafia" or something else? Ennhhhh... take your pick. Mostly neutral or null, I gueess.
- How confident are you in LoRab's baddieness? You've given us some detail, like the LD stuff, but can you provide more examples? Maybe build a case on her? She's my biggest suspicion. I'll see what a reread gives me.

DDL, noted. Just let me know. I'll be sure to do the same, when I have the chance to pop in here again later.

I meant "a reread".

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone sorry I wasn't around yesterday.
LC why am I on the bad side of your rainbow list. Was it the LD stuff?

Mostly the LD stuff, I see in a read. Some other stuff that I'm still observing, but if I tell you then you (if bad) would probably just alter your behaviour to stop it. For this one, I'd rather just keep watching, you know?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Long Con wrote:LoRab
Bass_the_Clever
Cookie
MovingPictures07
espers
Russtifinko
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
juliets
Ricochet
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Long Con

I put all the names in a list and then coloured them beautifully. I held a gun to my own head and made myself order the players based on how I feel about them right now.
Interesting, why Lorab and Bass?

Core of both is the G-Man LD statement thing. Lorab I have been consistently reading as bad, and Bass somewhat so as well. I have to shower and go to work right now, but I'll see about some more detailed analysis of the two before the night is over.

That summary was excellent, Rico. Yeah, that's the core of my Bass suspicion, plus some gut feelings about him.

LoRab
Bass_the_Clever
Cookie
MovingPictures07
espers
Russtifinko
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
juliets
Ricochet
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Long Con

I put all the names in a list and then coloured them beautifully. I held a gun to my own head and made myself order the players based on how I feel about them right now.

G-Man wrote:I'll have to re-read Day 3 to see what I missed. Doesn't look like it will take long.

Don't be so sure. I felt like Day 3 was heavy with big posts.

Elohcin wrote:So, I honestly don't know who to vote for today. So many people haven't been around. Are they forgetting its a 24 hour day? LC better not come in here with that excuse again. :P

I'm still a little worried G-Man and LC may be mafia. I also wonder about Scotty for reasons others have stated.

Actually I was silenced. :P Still catching up from this post though. I see that DH died, and was a good role.

I would have probably voted MP, Lorab, or Bass is it were happening. If I could have voted.

I agree with DDL's analysis of MP, it's how I feel. Looks like masterful distancing that just didn't work out. I think some of the points made about Eloh are good, and I don't suspect her so much right now.

Still catching up.

LoRab wrote:
Long Con wrote:So, Bass and Lorab look bad to me for it. "Opportunistic" is the adjective I see bandied about a lot that probably describes it best. It seemed like a low-hanging fruit, but that fruit was dried up and devoid of nutrients. But they attacked him for it anyway.
Isn't this whole game (mafia, not this game in particular) opportunistic? And not necessarily in a bad way...but we notice things, we point them out, we discuss them. Sometimes they seem small, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the small things end up leading to baddies.

Yes, of course, and isn't all of life really opportunistic? Each of us, looking for ways to get ahead, blah blahblah. I was using the word in a specific context, not as a generalization. What I meant by "opportunistic" is that it seems like the kind of thing that a baddie would take advantage of in order to make another player seem more suspicious.

Quite the response though. I hope Rorschach checks you tomorrow night. I mean, we're both Dead Players Walking now as long as Rorschach is around, but I'd like to think that he might use his power for the Civs as much as possible.

And, honestly, I tried just making a small point of something I noticed that made me suspicious of a player. I was questioned about it and kept answering, which may have made it seem like I was making a bigger deal than I was. IIRC (and looking back), it was Sloonei who did a lot of that questioning, seemlingly trying to steer me towards other suspicion (while not directly defending G-Man). Which, admittedly, does not lessen my suspicion of GMan.

Adverb count in that paragraph: four.

My assumption for baddie behaviour is often the opposite. Sloonei tried to steer you away from G-Man? I see that as more confirmation that G-Man is not a baddie - Sloonei wanted to buddy up or get cred or just plain seem like he's good for the civvie cause. If G-Man is bad, then that behaviour would connect them in a way that looks bad for Sloonei.

Either of us could be right, and WIFOM could always be on a baddie's mind... but I think my version is more likely behaviour. More likely to end up with Sloonei looking better, which is usually a more important goal for a baddie than saving their teammates.

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MP, I haven't forgotten about you. I still have your post to me open in another tab, I'll get to it by the time Day 3 rolls around.

espers wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I self-voted. I don't feel comfortable voting anyone else right now, and I have to place my vote now.
Metalmarsh, i'd like to know your rationale for this. I saw in rym #86 that you like your WIFOM, but I can't really make any sense of a person self-voting from my perspective. were you really that afraid of missing the vote?

I can think of one very good reason.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I must be crazy. A quick search of the word "Moloch" during Day 2 doesn't bring much of anything. I guess it was my idea then. :P

Heh heh heh... damn Spoiler tags. Look here.

G-Man wrote:As for my attitude, I fully own up to being a grouch. Part of it is that I've realized that I am struggling to maintain a healthy work/RL-to-game balance given the responsibilities set at my feet. Part of it is that I'm still pissed about losing that response post. For the latter, I realize that I need to Snoop Dogg & Elsa my bitterness. Yet another part of it is my frustration for not coming up with anything fun to do. It was a mistake to go back to STV G-Man mode but it's too late now. I'm giving in to the beast for the remainder of this game. I don't want you to think I am attacking you personally. I merely have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that seems sketchy.

This guy... this guy shouldn't even be playing. I mean, he's a beloved longtime member of our community, but his wife doesn't look too fondly upon the time required for Mafia. I treasure each minute he is able to give us.

Losing posts happens, and it is important to drop it like it's hot, and just let it go. Did I get it right?

This one's for MP.

Are those players you listed here still your top four suspicions? Well, top three since Golden is now gone...

Can you elaborate upon those suspicions? I'm not entirely clear on your thoughts.

The Bass and Lorab suspicions are based on the fact that both of them tried to put suspicion on G-Man for his "lie detector statements". I think that it is an easy way to throttle suspicion on G-Man in a way that sounds really civ-oriented, but analysis of the things he said makes it pretty clear that, IF he were speaking specifically for lie detection purposes, then his statements are legit. And if he was not speaking directly to the lie detector (which I believe), then it's even less relevant to attack him for it.

So, Bass and Lorab look bad to me for it. "Opportunistic" is the adjective I see bandied about a lot that probably describes it best. It seemed like a low-hanging fruit, but that fruit was dried up and devoid of nutrients. But they attacked him for it anyway.

The Elohcin suspicion... I believe that the core of it is in relation to Sloonei. I'll be honest, I haven't gone back and reread exactly how it went, but a few people have commented on the way she was suspicious of Sloonei when you were, and then dropped it when you did. That would qualify as some good starter-distancing from a baddie teammate. Like I said, I believe that's how it went because it seems to be an accepted fact, and not because I went back to track the Sloonei suspicion and how you and Elo travelled through it.

Obviously Golden was not a baddie, so he's off. You are my other suspicion, but this post was written in pieces and my time is up now... time for bed. Pretty much about the way you handled your opinions of Sloonei, I think - suspected him, but didn't pull the trigger on Day 1. You deserve a reread and full analysis though (I'm sure you'll demand no less!), so that will have to wait.

I'll respond to MP in a separate post, this is my catchup post with thoughts and questions from along the way. I do tend to skim sometimes, but I've made more of an effort to really read, reference, and understand even long long posts.

nijuukyugou wrote:Catching up via phone now, but will post more substantially later. BoB has reignited my wariness of easy bandwagons, and I'm not liking how this poll is looking so far.

How did the poll look when you said this?

G-Man wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:Well, I read Sloonei's responses to you differently than you did. I'm not sure which of us is wrong. I thought he was saying it was you he found suspicious in BoB, but he hasn't been able to determine whether or not it is relevant because Epi 2.0 is still alive and we don't know his role.

At this point, I'd say I'm highly likely to vote for Ninja today. The only other real issue I have is with G-Man, and I think I've talked myself out of that. I need to revisit the LoRab stuff about lie detectors more closely before I pursue that.
Golden pings me here, equivocating on Sloonei, and then pushing three other suspects. G-Man could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post.
Bwa-huh? How so? (This may eliminate that proposed Day 3 immunity)

Oh, damn... sorry, that should say "Golden could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post". Sorry, old chap. There's nothing about this post that connects you, G-Man, to Sloonei. I just mixed up my G's.

If I had meant to say that, then you would have been showing up in my suspicion lists.

LoRab wrote:I also meant to say earlier that there hasn't been a lot of discussion about LC's point earlier about it being somewhat strange that Night Owl chose this power to use so early, before knowing any information. With bringing up ideas like that he's either working for the town or he's the biggest of the bads--I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Can you explain your logic here please?

So, I will have to go to work in a short time, and won't be back until after the lynch is up. Here's my Rainbow list for today's lynch: Golden, Russtifinko, Metalmarsh, Long Con. Sorry, Golden, but the limited options... you're my only suspicion of the four candidates.

*vote Golden*

If it's the Mafia silencer, it could always be the tried-and-true "silence your teammate" schtick.

Yeah, there's no way MP could keep his mouth shut for this long on his own.

I watched the Bernard video. So we have to not trust anyone, watch out for quiet ones, and watch out for talkative ones.

Questions and comments on the roles in this colour. I put it in Spoiler tags because it's not all that Day 2 Lynch relevant.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:Civilians (9)
Win Con: The Inmates and Moloch the Mystic are Dead. Be alive.

Bernard the News Vendor
He posts his unsolicited opinions in the thread via the Host. Have we seen this? I haven't watched the longer videos yet, so did Bernard's opinion comes through

Dr. Malcolm Long
Walter’s psychoanalyst, in attempting to convince Rorschach that there are good people in the world, can each Night remove someone’s name from the list of people Rorschach needs dead to win.

Unlike the Civilians, Watchmen have superior abilities, but have an additional win condition. Also, unlike the Civilians, Watchmen do not need to be alive at the end to win.

Walter Kovacs / Rorschach
Whenever a civilian or Watchman is lynched, Rorschach will investigate, and track one of the guilty voters on odd Nights. On even Nights, he may choose to kill or spare the person he tracked. What is "tracking", exactly? I've see some different variations of what tracking tells a player.

Win Con: Rorschach does not compromise with evil. Anyone who participates in a civilian or Watchman lynch must be dead for Rorschach to win.
Does that include Rorschach himself? Depending on how this goes, I feel like it's sort of likely that, by endgame, Rorschach will need every single player dead in order to win. I haven't done any math or statistical analysis on it, but... a couple of civ lynches could easily put everyone in the game on Rorschach's list, right? We've done ok so far and haven't pissed Rorschach off, but can we keep it up? My current opinion is... maybe?

Danny Dreiberg / Nite Owl II

Nite Owl has an impressive array of technological wonders at his disposal. He can:

Apply his advanced polygraph to lie detect one statement.
Use his sonic amplifier to deliver an anonymous message to the thread through the Host.
Reinforce his owl suit to protect himself.
Activate a projectile shield to protect someone else.
Airlift from the immediate area, taking all but four people off the poll.
Scan the perimeter and make an alignment check.
These may only be used once.

Win Con: Nite Owl needs Hollis Mason alive to win. If Hollis Mason is dead, then he needs Derf dead.
I just find it hard to believe that Nite Owl used up his four-person-lynch power before even attempting an alignment check on one of us. Perhaps Moloch can emulate or steal/control other players' powers?

Adrian Veidt / Ozymandias

Using his vast wealth and intellect, Veidt can manipulate many things. *Secrets*

Win Con: ???
Or maybe Ozymandias "manipulated" Nite Owl II's power? It really doesn't matter at all whether or not this was Nite Owl II intentional power use or not. I just think it's a really unusual choice because this power would be much more effective if used later.

The Inmates (3)
Has BTSC
Kills each Night.
I think it's safe to assume that if Big Figure and one other baddie die, the nightly kill will be inherited by the last surviving Inmate.
Win Con: Must eliminate the Civilians, the Watchmen, and Moloch the Mystic.

Big Figure
Intimidates someone, buying that person's silence and preventing him or her from voting the next Day. Inherits the kill from Larry or Mike if either of them are dead.

Lawrence
Blocks on Odd Nights. Kills on Even Nights. Bye Sloonei. So no Odd Night blocks, that's good to know.

Michael
Blocks on Even Nights. Kills on Odd Nights.

Edgar Jacobi / Moloch the Mystic
*Secrets*
Dun dun dunnn...

Are votes changeable?

(First part of that post was to Elo.)

If you read my explanation of missed vote (really missed Day 1) then I hope you'd not hold it against me. It certainly isn't a baddie scheme that I would ever use.... miss Day 1 and give a real life excuse for it. If you want to punish me for neglecting the game at the start, then at least call it that.

I think that Nite Owl probably submitted the names in that order... and perhaps added me as the fourth at the end because I was unreadable at the time, because my participation wasn't revved up yet.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:It's either Nite Owl I or Nite Owl II.

Ah yes, true. I recall seeing that, he can use one of Nite Owl II's powers once in the game. It's more likely that it was Nite Owl II, but maybe Hollis went for the gusto on Nite 1.

Thanks for clarifying, Epi! So it doesn't work like I had thought. But still... ooooh, eh?

I think that Nite Owl II is probably most suspicious of the four of us. Do you have an alternate theory?

Well, he seems to be online now, so we should know soon.

If I'm wrong about The Comedian, then I consider it a case of overestimating Epignosis, because the idea of him blowing his brains out to win on Night 1 is more awesome than the alternative.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I think you guys are seriously underestimating Epignosis.

Both Golden and I are underestimating him? Even though we have opposite opinions on the matter?

Golden wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm guessing epi didn't allow self-targetting for that role.
I'm guessing he did allow it. Should we... should we ask him?

I'm clearly most likely going to have to use my vote self-defensively today.
It's a burden that any of the four of us are likely to bear.
I think asking him might be a good idea. Should you do it, or shall I?

I'll handle this one. Wish me luck!

Host: Can The Comedian use his nightkill on himself, securing his own win?

Golden wrote:I'm guessing epi didn't allow self-targetting for that role.

I'm guessing he did allow it. Should we... should we ask him?

I'm clearly most likely going to have to use my vote self-defensively today.

It's a burden that any of the four of us are likely to bear.

Oh, and my "Civvie" read of Metalmarsh was based on the fact that I thought he was The Comedian, and I was trying to help him get nightkilled. I thought was was that role because of his claim that he got something form the Night 1 poll... seemed like a good way to make oneself into a target for the baddies.

Now that I think Scotty was The Comedian, MM goes back to an unsure read. What do you do with intentionally mysterious and obstinate players? I'll try and figure out something along the way for MM.

Scotty wrote:LC, since you've caught up a bit, do you have any suspicions on anyone?

Yes, I suspect Bass, Lorab, Elohcin, and Golden. They're my top four right now, but I'm only caught up to when you asked this question. Maybe later in this post I'll change for some reason. Read on and see!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ah, I see. So you're saying that Elohcin could be a teammate, since Sloonei lists a bunch of reasons he thinks she is bad, but then votes for nijuu instead.

Yes, exactly. It looks like distancing to me.

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Writing this in chunks, and talking to my wife about this game as I went, and I was telling her about The Comedian. I haven't caught up to the Night 1 post yet, but I would be absolutely tickled if The Comedian used his one night kill to kill himself and win the game. Absolutely tickled. That's what I'd do. Epic damn win, easiest win condition I ever did see.

Also, I see that Nite Owl II did this to me and my three poll-friends. Thanks, Danny. I understand why you'd include me, I guess. I think this would have been a much more useful power to employ later in the game, it was a mistake to do it with so little info. My vote will likely be going to Golden. I don't think Metalmarsh is bad at all, and I also have civ feels for Russ.

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G-Man wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MP wrote:Speaking of DharmaHelper, can you elaborate on any of the reads you have made just yet, or are you still forming them? I've noted what you've said thus far, but I'm a bit unclear on whom you're considering for your vote at the moment.
I am not sure what to think of Scotty, personally. Something about him is giving me pings, but I don't feel comfortable right now voting for him, since it's 100% a gut read and I'd have a hard time building a case around it.

The crowd you asked about originally (Llama, DDL, G-Man, etc) have my eye as well, and I'd maybe put a vote in there. I still haven't gotten to the sloonei thing yet, so I don't know too much about that. Timmer's self vote is frustrating but I feel like there's enough discussion to put a vote somewhere else.

My read on you is kind of odd. You are way too agreeable and friendly, for one thing, like you're afraid to ruffle feathers and you want to get on everyone's good side. Your massive posts also skeeve me out. You are reminding me of me, when I'm bad and I want to take the leadership role in the thread.
Intriguing observation. Especially considering MP's absolving himself from voting Sloonei and then tacking a mid-to-late vote on Scotty to bring him within one vote of Sloonei and tied with Niju.

Agreed on this one, MP is on my suspicion list as well. Fantastic Day 1 lynch, to see such close margins and still get a baddie!

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Golden wrote:
Long Con wrote:I think Bass and Lorab (opinion stands as I read, maybe more will step up) are a bit suspicious for saying they think G-Man was trying to dance around the Lie Detector. His statement, in my opinion, is totally kosher as an easy Lie Detect option. If he's a baddie, then a Lie Detect will catch him for that statement, plain and simple.
That's exactly what I think, LC. The wording G-Man used could hardly be considered to be an attempt to avoid the lie detector. Even if it was, the alternative (saying I'm a civilian) also would avoid the lie detector. So I had difficulty really understanding what LoRab was getting at there (bass I felt less suspicious of).

Cool, this response will be used in my analysis of players in my baddie list and how they relate to each other, thank you. Why less of Bass?

Spoiler: show

The Spoiler is Golden's post that compares his views on Sloonei to BoB Day 1. It makes me feel a little better about him... but it's a lot harder to get OUT of a stated baddie list than it is to get IN.

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I agree with DDL's definition of a bandwagon. I think Nijuu's Day 1 votes-received qualifies as a bandwagon, because she was at risk of getting lynched. If there were 10 votes on one person and Nijuu got 3, no bandwagon... but as it stands, yes bandwagon. Risk of lynch.

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Ha ha, so Scotty was The Comedian. Right? I just caught up to the Night Post. Edit: it looks like no one yet has figured out that Scotty was probably The Comedian.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm the only one who would have shot myself in the head on Night 1 in that role.

RIP Llama, obvious reasons there. The bandwidth isn't always so great in the rural area where I live, so I'll watch these videos when I have time to wait for them, namely the longer ones.

Whoops, didn't mean to Submit that yet, just Preview. I'm caught up to the Lynch Post now, and watched the two shorter videos, and I was starting to put together a post that would grow as I caught up, but I guess you got a preview of the first part in advance.

I see I'm one of four on the poll now. That's lame. You can look forward to me being caught up and in discussions and answering questions for Day Two, and I hope you do not choose me as your lynch nominee.

Epignosis wrote:Win Con: Rorschach does not compromise with evil. Anyone who participates in a civilian or Watchman lynch must be dead for Rorschach to win.

Does that include Rorschach?

Golden wrote:Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.

Ok, Golden ping increases for obvious reasons.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.
MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.
Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?
Who's a non-baddie?

I was referring to Elohcin... he mentions her and Ninja, but is really posting about Elo.

Your question may or may not imply that I'm saying Elo is a non-baddie, so I should clarify that I was looking at whether she is a baddie teammate he's distancing from, or just a non-teammate he's trying to shift focus on to, away from him.

Golden wrote:Well, I read Sloonei's responses to you differently than you did. I'm not sure which of us is wrong. I thought he was saying it was you he found suspicious in BoB, but he hasn't been able to determine whether or not it is relevant because Epi 2.0 is still alive and we don't know his role.

At this point, I'd say I'm highly likely to vote for Ninja today. The only other real issue I have is with G-Man, and I think I've talked myself out of that. I need to revisit the LoRab stuff about lie detectors more closely before I pursue that.

Golden pings me here, equivocating on Sloonei, and then pushing three other suspects. G-Man could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.
MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?

Ricochet wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.
It did stand out to me that she worded her suspicion roughly the same way you did, yes. Her backing out was also far less elaborate or reasoned than yours (which followed after some dialogue with Sloonei, at least): from "Just something about him reads scummy to me. Can't put my finger on it." to "I am failing to find anything that sticks out to me as scummy." with not even a post in between.

linki: I also await to see if espers got anything, due to the voting connection.

So Sloonei was a baddie, way to go, Sloon voters!

Elohcin's switch described in this post is notable.

I'm commenting as I go here, with the catchup. After my last post last night, I started to have trouble reading because my eyes wanted to close, so I called it a night.

LoRab wrote:Until I just read MP's list, I kind of forgot LC was playing. So I checked the who's posted thingie, and he only has 1 post (only other person with 1 post, btw, is K-nuk, who isn't playing). And here's his 1 post:

Long Con wrote:
G-Man wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?
You mean the player whose posts can be read with the deepest voice or the player who writes the low-down meanest posts?

I believe the word you are looking for is fewest.
G-Man is now on my list of people that I will not vote for on Day 1.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
linki- are we doing a Golden Day 1 lynch? Is that what we're doing?
Statistics tell me leaving Golden alive is always bad for town. Never played a game where he didn't destroy the fuck out of the poor civs.
If it wasn't for Golden, the civilians wouldn't have won Biblical or Roger Rabbit, so... I can provide counterexamples for practically every example.

Is anyone here seriously considering a policy lynch option for Day 1? I just don't think it's wise.
Hey- Golden had a LOT of help behind the scenes. Never forget that. He was right and I was wrong about the final baddie but my lists helped serve up at least two baddies- one of which I handed to Golden on a silver platter from beyond the grave. I'd like to think that he would have had a much harder time winning that game without my help.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand for a closed-minded town on Day 1.
Then take a seat.
For the record... I was taking it all in stride. As in, I thought that everyone was pretty much joking, but I saw the potential for any of them to make it real just for fun as well. Although Metalmarsh and Golden are survival buddies right now, so I doubt either of them are inclined to lynch unless they're pretty convinced.

Anywho, I'll vote for Rorschach's Journal, because Rorschach is my favourite part of a story made of awesome parts. This quote I quoted is where I have read up to at this point, be back later.
Ironic that his first comment is on a comment (an awesome comment, btw) about fewest posts. Which manages to comment on the matter without commenting on the matter.

As importantly, he manages to say he will not vote for G-Man without having to defend him. Given the fact that I suspect G-Man, this strikes me as suspicious.

And the bulk of his post is about another game--nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but he barely makes comment on this game. Which isn't really like him.

I am still suspicious of G Man. But LC has just moved up on my suspiciometer (I guess I have 2 suspects now, lol). And I hope he posts more. I may throw him a vote just to get him to post more.

Looks like you didn't throw me that vote. That's ok, it wouldn't have affected my posting volume at all, so that plan was doomed from inception.

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
thellamae73 wrote:My read on Sloonei honestly has to do with the use of smilies and adverbs. I know it seems silly, but there is some truth to it, particularly the smiley part, and the fact that he was self-conscious about it makes it worse.
We have not played together before, but you have hosted both of the Syndicate games I have played prior to this one. How much attention did you pay to those games? Are you familiar at all with my playstyle, or in this case, my writing style? What do you know about me as a player?
Also, what is the rationale behind this adverb/smiley theory?
I know enough. The rationale is primarily observation based, but it also makes sense in that baddies have to walk a line, and it's easier to equivocate with emoticons and adverbs. Where a civvie might say "You are bad! I'm sure of it!" a baddie might say "You are bad, in my opinion." The softener gives them more cover if things don't go their way.

Golden: Adverbs, smilies.

Haaaa, and then I read this post. After I said "in my opinion". It wasn't a "softener" though... every host can handle Lie Detects in their own way, so I thought it was proper to note that it was just an opinion.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with lorab.
What parts do you agree with and why? Does this mean you are suspicious of G-man? Who else do you suspect?
I agree that he seemed to be trying to get around the LD with the way he worded it.
I think he has played enough to know that a lot of games people just come out say "I'm civ" and it's not consider info dumping or role claiming. I think there are two watchmen who we know can turn on the civves or need a civvie dead to win if I'm reading the roles right.

LoRab wrote:
Sloonei wrote:If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?
"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

I guess I should look at the roles again... but if all the baddies have "gotta kill the Civs" as part of their win condition, then every baddie who utters the line "I do not pose a threat to the Civs" would be 100% Detectable in their Lie.

I think Bass and Lorab (opinion stands as I read, maybe more will step up) are a bit suspicious for saying they think G-Man was trying to dance around the Lie Detector. His statement, in my opinion, is totally kosher as an easy Lie Detect option. If he's a baddie, then a Lie Detect will catch him for that statement, plain and simple.

Well, crap, 24 hour days, eh? Sorry I missed the first lynch. I don't even know who got lynched yet, or if they were bad. So RIP someone!

I haven't engaged fully yet because today was the Stouffville Food Truck Frenzy, which Black Rock (my wife) and I attended with The Sandwich Shack. Last night was spent scrubbing several fifty pound bags of potatoes clean for our fresh cut fries. Went to sleep at 3:30am, and then got up at around 9 to take our kids to my mom's. I came back, and spent my day preparing for tonight. No time for sitting at the computer, or even doing any phone posting. I'll do some catching up now, see how the lynch went, and try to get some opinions formed.

Tomorrow is a little bit busy, in that I work from 11 to 4, and then I'm taking the opportunity to go to a comic book store and play some Magic: The Gathering - I usually work Friday evening and am unable to go to this Friday night event... so I'm going for it tomorrow. Tomorrow night will be Night 1's end, and Day 2 will begin. On Saturday, I will be sure to devote some time to this game and I'll give some opinions for everyone to judge, etc.

I did see MP's question to me about whether or not I was serious about not voting G-Man because of "fewest". Yes, I was pretty serious about that. I liked it, I want to be a grammar/spelling enforcer a lot of the time, but I hold back because people just don't like it when they get corrected. That doesn't stop me from enjoying a solid correction, especially when it was supported by that delicious Stannis Game of Thrones clip that I had forgotten about. The enjoyment I got from it was worth Day 1 immunity for G-Man in my books. Obviously, I ended up voting for no one, so it didn't matter much, but yes, it was a true statement.

G-Man wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?
You mean the player whose posts can be read with the deepest voice or the player who writes the low-down meanest posts?

I believe the word you are looking for is fewest.

G-Man is now on my list of people that I will not vote for on Day 1.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
linki- are we doing a Golden Day 1 lynch? Is that what we're doing?
Statistics tell me leaving Golden alive is always bad for town. Never played a game where he didn't destroy the fuck out of the poor civs.
If it wasn't for Golden, the civilians wouldn't have won Biblical or Roger Rabbit, so... I can provide counterexamples for practically every example.

Is anyone here seriously considering a policy lynch option for Day 1? I just don't think it's wise.
Hey- Golden had a LOT of help behind the scenes. Never forget that. He was right and I was wrong about the final baddie but my lists helped serve up at least two baddies- one of which I handed to Golden on a silver platter from beyond the grave. I'd like to think that he would have had a much harder time winning that game without my help.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand for a closed-minded town on Day 1.
Then take a seat.

For the record... I was taking it all in stride. As in, I thought that everyone was pretty much joking, but I saw the potential for any of them to make it real just for fun as well. Although Metalmarsh and Golden are survival buddies right now, so I doubt either of them are inclined to lynch unless they're pretty convinced.

Anywho, I'll vote for Rorschach's Journal, because Rorschach is my favourite part of a story made of awesome parts. This quote I quoted is where I have read up to at this point, be back later.

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