Watchmen [ENDGAME]

[Golden]

I see I have to read back on Scotty.

[Long Con]

Well, crap, 24 hour days, eh? Sorry I missed the first lynch. I don't even know who got lynched yet, or if they were bad. So RIP someone!

I haven't engaged fully yet because today was the Stouffville Food Truck Frenzy, which Black Rock (my wife) and I attended with The Sandwich Shack. Last night was spent scrubbing several fifty pound bags of potatoes clean for our fresh cut fries. Went to sleep at 3:30am, and then got up at around 9 to take our kids to my mom's. I came back, and spent my day preparing for tonight. No time for sitting at the computer, or even doing any phone posting. I'll do some catching up now, see how the lynch went, and try to get some opinions formed.

Tomorrow is a little bit busy, in that I work from 11 to 4, and then I'm taking the opportunity to go to a comic book store and play some Magic: The Gathering - I usually work Friday evening and am unable to go to this Friday night event... so I'm going for it tomorrow. Tomorrow night will be Night 1's end, and Day 2 will begin. On Saturday, I will be sure to devote some time to this game and I'll give some opinions for everyone to judge, etc.

I did see MP's question to me about whether or not I was serious about not voting G-Man because of "fewest". Yes, I was pretty serious about that. I liked it, I want to be a grammar/spelling enforcer a lot of the time, but I hold back because people just don't like it when they get corrected. That doesn't stop me from enjoying a solid correction, especially when it was supported by that delicious Stannis Game of Thrones clip that I had forgotten about. The enjoyment I got from it was worth Day 1 immunity for G-Man in my books. Obviously, I ended up voting for no one, so it didn't matter much, but yes, it was a true statement.

[Cookie]

I thought I had more time to vote for someone so I missed tonight's vote. I thought Day would end at Midnight like the investigation did yesterday. I will vote before day ends tomorrow (does it say what time Day ends/begins?).

After spending a long time reading the thread, most of my suspicions against people have already been addressed (after I typed out responses and later found out someone had already addressed it), I will just post.

Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.

I noticed that as well and was curious why the sudden change in suspicion against Sloonei. And then voted for Sloonei without an explanation (that I saw). Could this be a scummy tactic for ensuring people think that he/she is civ? In Elo's defense, if he/she is a baddie, he/she would not have voted Sloonei at the time that he/she did. Many people were on the fence about him and the votes were tied between Sloonei and Niju. If Elo was bad, he/she'd have vted Niju. I don't know what to make of this.

Golden and espers don't look so hot after this lynch. Golden's is perhaps a little too on the nose, though.

I'm not sure what you mean?

I did not find Sloonei suspicious at all and I have no idea how someone picked up on his smiley's and adverbs and announced that was suspicious. I have also never played with him and don't really know how he acts. I don't know how many others have experience with him either. Well done! If I had been around for the voting, I'd have voted Elo, though.

Also, I had no idea I had to watch a video and I could see that Sloonei died but didn't know where it was posted LOL!

[Long Con]

I agree with lorab.

What parts do you agree with and why? Does this mean you are suspicious of G-man? Who else do you suspect?

I agree that he seemed to be trying to get around the LD with the way he worded it.
I think he has played enough to know that a lot of games people just come out say "I'm civ" and it's not consider info dumping or role claiming. I think there are two watchmen who we know can turn on the civves or need a civvie dead to win if I'm reading the roles right.

If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?

"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

I guess I should look at the roles again... but if all the baddies have "gotta kill the Civs" as part of their win condition, then every baddie who utters the line "I do not pose a threat to the Civs" would be 100% Detectable in their Lie.

I think Bass and Lorab (opinion stands as I read, maybe more will step up) are a bit suspicious for saying they think G-Man was trying to dance around the Lie Detector. His statement, in my opinion, is totally kosher as an easy Lie Detect option. If he's a baddie, then a Lie Detect will catch him for that statement, plain and simple.

[Long Con]

My read on Sloonei honestly has to do with the use of smilies and adverbs. I know it seems silly, but there is some truth to it, particularly the smiley part, and the fact that he was self-conscious about it makes it worse.

We have not played together before, but you have hosted both of the Syndicate games I have played prior to this one. How much attention did you pay to those games? Are you familiar at all with my playstyle, or in this case, my writing style? What do you know about me as a player?
Also, what is the rationale behind this adverb/smiley theory?

I know enough. The rationale is primarily observation based, but it also makes sense in that baddies have to walk a line, and it's easier to equivocate with emoticons and adverbs. Where a civvie might say "You are bad! I'm sure of it!" a baddie might say "You are bad, in my opinion." The softener gives them more cover if things don't go their way.

Golden: Adverbs, smilies.

Haaaa, and then I read this post. After I said "in my opinion". It wasn't a "softener" though... every host can handle Lie Detects in their own way, so I thought it was proper to note that it was just an opinion.

[LoRab]

RIH Sloonei. You seem fun to play with, so sorry to see you go soon. But glad to see a baddie gone.

In my re-reading, I am also pinged by the big deal being made out of G-Man's lie detector statements. Especially considering he said "I am not a mafia" which is an equally lie detectable statement as "I am a civvie".

Of the people making a fuss about it LoRab strikes me as most suspect, I may put my vote there.

If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?

"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

And, at this point, no one else is standing out to me. I'm often a 1 suspect at a time kind of gal. Also, day 1, so not much to go on.

Bull. Shit.

Also, Vote LoRab

Wondering which part you believe was bullshit? Happy to explain any of my thoughts. I'm still thinking them. Eye me all you want. *twirls*

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I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with this tomorrow

You know, I've been in bed now for 2 hours. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was bringing my laptop with me. Good on you, ninja

I sympathize with Ninja.

The G-Man alignment discussion started out feeling to me like a really solid case, but as I thought about it more it got so WIFOM-y that I really can't make head nor tail of it now. I will say, though, for what it's worth, that every single non-civ role in this game seems pretty darn anti-civ, especially now that we know for sure Watchmen are civs. So saying you're not anti-civ = saying you're civ, in my mind. I don't think that would fool a lie detector test, but I also can't figure why he'd bother wording it so carefully. (By the way, as MM pointed out, the LD discussion seemed super superfluous. Who even brought that up?) I could potentially see myself voting there, but I can't say I'm fully convinced he's bad.

I do think llama may be onto something with Sloonei (mainly because of Sloonei's defensiveness), but I didn't really try to read players for alignment in Economics, so I don't have a strong opinion on his civ game. I'd have to read Economics again, and it's 100 pages so no thank you. But I don't see myself voting there either.

Soem of the watchmen roles do not seem overtly any civ, and we don't know their win conditions. Also, I haven't looked closely enough to see if every baddie has a power that has a direct impact on a civ role. Will look at roles more closely.

[G-Man]

Good morning. Sorry for missing the vote. Work was a nightmare yesterday. (For the record, I worked up to 7:00 last night, came home to mow the lawn while I still had light, ate a quick dinner, and went back to the office until 11:00.) I suspect my day today will be pretty busy as well but I will try to participate. Right now, though, I'm in catch-up mode. I'm going to go back to the point I started at yesterday before losing my huge response post (I believe that's page 6). I've got a busy day tomorrow (a day out with the wife and kid) but I will try to participate as much as possible, seeing as I am a tempting lynch candidate given the Day 1 results.

Sloonei! Wow, dude. Color me surprised. Not sure where the thread switched from me to you but I will look for that. Pretty ballsy to come out defending a fumbling player who's dangling like prime rib in the lion's den. Glad you're dead though because that's a huge statistical and tactical advantage to we civs.

Now for re-reading and responding...

[G-Man]

Responses to Page 6 Content:

Sooooo the game started, and I worked all day.....

You guys do realize you averaged over a post per minute between 9:30am and 10am, right? And I haven't read the last 3 pages yet, but it's gotta be close to that for most of the evening.

MP has already demanded no less than 7 answers to questions from EVERY SINGLE PLAYER....and that was 3 pages ago.

Sheesh.

Back in the day I might have been inclined to cynically match MP's borderline-needy, information-addicted behavior. But I'm older (and hopefully wiser) now an one of the joys of growing "old" is that you reach a point where you just don't give a rip anymore. I'm not playing for the thrill of victory, a flashy array of winner's badges, a sense of intellectual superiority, or even pride. I play for the fun of playing and for the social interaction. The "older" you get the nicer it is to have people to talk to.

If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?

You mean the player whose posts can be read with the deepest voice or the player who writes the low-down meanest posts?

I believe the word you are looking for is fewest.

How did we not have a "reading posts in deep voices" contest in Economics?

Looking at you, DDL.

I'll see if I can work that into my Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3 game.

G-Man, I'll ask you what I asked Llama. Why me? Just curious.

Because you swooped in to defend Golden the Coward to a degree when I kept badgering him and suggesting others vote for him. After Econ, I know I can et a rise out of you and I'd like to think that we've re-established some of the rapport that existed between us back in the old days. Though I must admit, it was so long ago that I forget what our rapport was like back then. Long story short- I didn't think you'd mind it. If you did, then I apologize.

I don't understand, G-Man. How does your response address Llama's concern? I realize he doesn't say why here, but I am still lost as to why you responded this way. You say you're talking now because you're going to be AWOL tomorrow, but what does that have to do with defending yourself from the assertion that you are mafia?

Had I just said "Nope, Llama, you're wrong about me," you would have asked for more, even though Llama failed to provide any specifics to speak against. You're good at asking damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't questions. It's obvious why Llama may have suspected me. I've got my bossy-pants tone going and I've been more assertive though with more added snark too. My play this game is actually somewhere between early STV-style G-Man and how I played as Balaam in Biblical.

G-Man, again, here you provide an odd and unsatisfactory response.

What does "probably just fishing" mean? Why add the word "probably"? Can you clarify?

I just want to note that I see you already clarified that you were fishing regarding the "100%" statement in your post, but I'm not sure I believe that explanation.

It means that Llama may not even actually suspect me but he probably does on some level. I've seen a few people in my time here mention that they will go after someone early just to see how that player responds to pressure and also to see how other respond to it (supportive to it, neutral to it, defensive to it). There's a remote chance that Llama was just doing it for the sake of doing it. He probably thought my tone was different though, giving him a reasonable impetus to do it.

I am starting to believe something is off about Sloonei. What do others who have played with him think?

Wow, your spider sense was tingling this early? I wish I was good at picking up vibes and reading people. I still feel it's overrated (you know, because you were all jumping on me over a choice that I have the right to make and the wording of a few posts) but it looks like it served you well here.

This reminds me.

G-Man, do you have any thoughts on anyone at this time?

At this very point on page 6, no. I did not have any thoughts on anyone. Hopefully I will have some once I'm finished catching up.

Bah, that's right, looks like I missed G-Man before he unplugged. I got so much linkitis, then incorporated linkitised posts... but somehow didn't realize that I probably won't get responses from him for a while. Oh well.

If I do address you and ask a question, don't feel pressured. Just answer whenever you get a chance. My vote is still very up in the air for Day 1.

Night, fellow mafia players!

This made me chuckle. In time, you will start to demand answers to your questions. Mp peed all over my face once, so I know the drill. When you do answer his questions, he analyzes them like he's crunching numbers. It's like calculating financial ratios- if your answer doesn't fall into the sweet spot, it spurs on a new line of questioning. But fear not, new players- MP's bark is worse than his bite. Just watch out for his pee; it isn't pleasant. :P

In response to MP's points toward me (my laptop is old and terrible and doing this thing where it takes a half hour just to start up, and I don't feel like waiting for that just so I can format a post more easily, so this is a messy phoned-in attempt at a post), I have so far only played with a G-man that is completely light and playful in all his posts (due to those reasons I mentioned earlier), so when I came in to the thread on Day 0 and saw him being perhaps the most active person in leading the discussion, regardless of how serious he says it was at the time, it was a very noticeable change in style for him. It is too minor a point to earn him a townie label just yet, but it was the strongest read I got in any direction after 3 pages of activity. "Sincere" was probably not the right word. "Active" or "aggressive"' would have been more accurate. I will hold off on commenting on the actual content of his posts until there's more of it.

Also I never expressed my suspicion of you while you were in BoB, I only mentioned it after Epi had subbed in for you. I can't find any of the posts (i made a lot of them in that game), but my point was essentially that I felt like your response to the fake truce banter on Day 0 felt a bit too preemptively defensive. Your behavior here reminded me vaguely of that.

That's a very odd post by Sloonei B. Jones right there. My tone is markedly different but that made him think I was more likely civvie? I'm starting to see where things went wrong for him. That's surprising for a player as sharp as he is. We all make mistakes I guess. Just look at how Dragon stepped in it during Guess Who.

[thellama73]

Golden and espers don't look so hot after this lynch. Golden's is perhaps a little too on the nose, though.

I'm not sure what you mean?

I did not find Sloonei suspicious at all and I have no idea how someone picked up on his smiley's and adverbs and announced that was suspicious. I have also never played with him and don't really know how he acts. I don't know how many others have experience with him either. Well done! If I had been around for the voting, I'd have voted Elo, though.

Also, I had no idea I had to watch a video and I could see that Sloonei died but didn't know where it was posted LOL!

Golden's vote looks bad because he voted to tie Ninja Blooper with Sloonei. Could have been a baddie save attempt, but it would be a really transparent one, and I would expect better of Golden. Espers looks bad because the last minute final vote on Sloonei could have been a baddie underbussing a teammate.

[Cookie]

Golden and espers don't look so hot after this lynch. Golden's is perhaps a little too on the nose, though.

I'm not sure what you mean?

I did not find Sloonei suspicious at all and I have no idea how someone picked up on his smiley's and adverbs and announced that was suspicious. I have also never played with him and don't really know how he acts. I don't know how many others have experience with him either. Well done! If I had been around for the voting, I'd have voted Elo, though.

Also, I had no idea I had to watch a video and I could see that Sloonei died but didn't know where it was posted LOL!

Golden's vote looks bad because he voted to tie Ninja Blooper with Sloonei. Could have been a baddie save attempt, but it would be a really transparent one, and I would expect better of Golden. Espers looks bad because the last minute final vote on Sloonei could have been a baddie underbussing a teammate.

Ah, thank you for clarifying and I agree with you.

[DharmaHelper]

RIH Sloonei. You seem fun to play with, so sorry to see you go soon. But glad to see a baddie gone.

In my re-reading, I am also pinged by the big deal being made out of G-Man's lie detector statements. Especially considering he said "I am not a mafia" which is an equally lie detectable statement as "I am a civvie".

Of the people making a fuss about it LoRab strikes me as most suspect, I may put my vote there.

If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?

"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

And, at this point, no one else is standing out to me. I'm often a 1 suspect at a time kind of gal. Also, day 1, so not much to go on.

Bull. Shit.

Also, Vote LoRab

Wondering which part you believe was bullshit? Happy to explain any of my thoughts. I'm still thinking them. Eye me all you want. *twirls*

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I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with this tomorrow

You know, I've been in bed now for 2 hours. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was bringing my laptop with me. Good on you, ninja

I sympathize with Ninja.

The G-Man alignment discussion started out feeling to me like a really solid case, but as I thought about it more it got so WIFOM-y that I really can't make head nor tail of it now. I will say, though, for what it's worth, that every single non-civ role in this game seems pretty darn anti-civ, especially now that we know for sure Watchmen are civs. So saying you're not anti-civ = saying you're civ, in my mind. I don't think that would fool a lie detector test, but I also can't figure why he'd bother wording it so carefully. (By the way, as MM pointed out, the LD discussion seemed super superfluous. Who even brought that up?) I could potentially see myself voting there, but I can't say I'm fully convinced he's bad.

I do think llama may be onto something with Sloonei (mainly because of Sloonei's defensiveness), but I didn't really try to read players for alignment in Economics, so I don't have a strong opinion on his civ game. I'd have to read Economics again, and it's 100 pages so no thank you. But I don't see myself voting there either.

Soem of the watchmen roles do not seem overtly any civ, and we don't know their win conditions. Also, I haven't looked closely enough to see if every baddie has a power that has a direct impact on a civ role. Will look at roles more closely.

I bolded and underlined.

[Long Con]

Until I just read MP's list, I kind of forgot LC was playing. So I checked the who's posted thingie, and he only has 1 post (only other person with 1 post, btw, is K-nuk, who isn't playing). And here's his 1 post:

If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?

You mean the player whose posts can be read with the deepest voice or the player who writes the low-down meanest posts?

I believe the word you are looking for is fewest.

G-Man is now on my list of people that I will not vote for on Day 1.

linki- are we doing a Golden Day 1 lynch? Is that what we're doing?

Statistics tell me leaving Golden alive is always bad for town. Never played a game where he didn't destroy the fuck out of the poor civs.

If it wasn't for Golden, the civilians wouldn't have won Biblical or Roger Rabbit, so... I can provide counterexamples for practically every example.

Is anyone here seriously considering a policy lynch option for Day 1? I just don't think it's wise.

Hey- Golden had a LOT of help behind the scenes. Never forget that. He was right and I was wrong about the final baddie but my lists helped serve up at least two baddies- one of which I handed to Golden on a silver platter from beyond the grave. I'd like to think that he would have had a much harder time winning that game without my help.

I will not stand for a closed-minded town on Day 1.

Then take a seat.

For the record... I was taking it all in stride. As in, I thought that everyone was pretty much joking, but I saw the potential for any of them to make it real just for fun as well. Although Metalmarsh and Golden are survival buddies right now, so I doubt either of them are inclined to lynch unless they're pretty convinced.

Anywho, I'll vote for Rorschach's Journal, because Rorschach is my favourite part of a story made of awesome parts. This quote I quoted is where I have read up to at this point, be back later.

Ironic that his first comment is on a comment (an awesome comment, btw) about fewest posts. Which manages to comment on the matter without commenting on the matter.

As importantly, he manages to say he will not vote for G-Man without having to defend him. Given the fact that I suspect G-Man, this strikes me as suspicious.

And the bulk of his post is about another game--nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but he barely makes comment on this game. Which isn't really like him.

I am still suspicious of G Man. But LC has just moved up on my suspiciometer (I guess I have 2 suspects now, lol). And I hope he posts more. I may throw him a vote just to get him to post more.

Looks like you didn't throw me that vote. That's ok, it wouldn't have affected my posting volume at all, so that plan was doomed from inception.

[Long Con]

Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.

It did stand out to me that she worded her suspicion roughly the same way you did, yes. Her backing out was also far less elaborate or reasoned than yours (which followed after some dialogue with Sloonei, at least): from "Just something about him reads scummy to me. Can't put my finger on it." to "I am failing to find anything that sticks out to me as scummy." with not even a post in between.

linki: I also await to see if espers got anything, due to the voting connection.

So Sloonei was a baddie, way to go, Sloon voters!

Elohcin's switch described in this post is notable.

I'm commenting as I go here, with the catchup. After my last post last night, I started to have trouble reading because my eyes wanted to close, so I called it a night.

[Scotty]

Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.

It did stand out to me that she worded her suspicion roughly the same way you did, yes. Her backing out was also far less elaborate or reasoned than yours (which followed after some dialogue with Sloonei, at least): from "Just something about him reads scummy to me. Can't put my finger on it." to "I am failing to find anything that sticks out to me as scummy." with not even a post in between.

linki: I also await to see if espers got anything, due to the voting connection.

So Sloonei was a baddie, way to go, Sloon voters!

Elohcin's switch described in this post is notable.

I'm commenting as I go here, with the catchup. After my last post last night, I started to have trouble reading because my eyes wanted to close, so I called it a night.

LC, since you've caught up a bit, do you have any suspicions on anyone?

[Long Con]

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?

[Marmot]

Link to Scotty's long post. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing.

Scotty, question for you. Do you just not trust me, or do you think that I am actually mafia? These two are very different things, and to take a leaf out of llama's book, that sounds like a "soft" accusation. You put quite a bit of effort into that post at me to some it up with a "I don't trust him".

Also, yes I did vote alongside Sloonei. I had to vote somebody though.

I have nothing else to say about the poll.

[Marmot]

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?

Who's a non-baddie?

[Marmot]

Fixed.

Link to Scotty's long post. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing.

Scotty, question for you. Do you just not trust me, or do you think that I am actually mafia? These two are very different things, and to take a leaf out of llama's book, that sounds like a "soft" accusation. You put quite a bit of effort into that post at me to sum it up with a "I don't trust him".

Also, yes I did vote alongside Sloonei. I had to vote somebody though.

I have nothing else to say about the poll.

[Long Con]

Well, I read Sloonei's responses to you differently than you did. I'm not sure which of us is wrong. I thought he was saying it was you he found suspicious in BoB, but he hasn't been able to determine whether or not it is relevant because Epi 2.0 is still alive and we don't know his role.

At this point, I'd say I'm highly likely to vote for Ninja today. The only other real issue I have is with G-Man, and I think I've talked myself out of that. I need to revisit the LoRab stuff about lie detectors more closely before I pursue that.

Golden pings me here, equivocating on Sloonei, and then pushing three other suspects. G-Man could be a Sloonei teammate based on this post.

[Long Con]

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?

Who's a non-baddie?

I was referring to Elohcin... he mentions her and Ninja, but is really posting about Elo.

Your question may or may not imply that I'm saying Elo is a non-baddie, so I should clarify that I was looking at whether she is a baddie teammate he's distancing from, or just a non-teammate he's trying to shift focus on to, away from him.

[Long Con]

Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.

Ok, Golden ping increases for obvious reasons.

[Marmot]

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Was it distancing or an attempt to get a non-baddie lynched?

Who's a non-baddie?

I was referring to Elohcin... he mentions her and Ninja, but is really posting about Elo.

Your question may or may not imply that I'm saying Elo is a non-baddie, so I should clarify that I was looking at whether she is a baddie teammate he's distancing from, or just a non-teammate he's trying to shift focus on to, away from him.

Ah, I see. So you're saying that Elohcin could be a teammate, since Sloonei lists a bunch of reasons he thinks she is bad, but then votes for nijuu instead.

[G-Man]

Printing off a ream's worth of reports atm, so I have time to read another page. My thought/responses to Page 7:

Llama, I agree that G-Man's phrasing in several posts, including this one, have been odd, as if he can't justify lying outright. However, wouldn't that quickly sink him if he actually is mafia? Would he play it that riskily?

In addition, is it possible that G-Man has rather unconventional and literal phrasing in his typical posting behavior? What do you think?

I feel like there is an additional point to be made that did not occur to me this morning. Perhaps it's the hybrid accountant-communications professional in me that feels there is a difference in this game between the word "civvie" and "Civilian" (with or without the capital C). In general thread-speak, "civvie" or "civ" is a generic term for someone who is not bad. In this game, the term is vague enough to not be helpful (at least in my opinion). To claim that you are a "civ" or "civvie" is not useful to a Lie Detector role.

(To tell the truth, I forgot such a power existed in this game- I've been really bad about knowing the powers in play in every game since I showed up here. Shameful really. I used to include powers on my process of elimination spreadsheet. Now it's just role names.)

Because the Watchmen represent a gray-area faction, they could be civ/civvie now but not later. How would a host rule on a lie-detected statement from Day 1 for a player who switched from potentially winning with the Civilians to now needing at least some of them to die? In the context of when the statement was said, the lie detector test would come back as true but it fails as an indicator of current status.

The role group called Civilians (note the capital C) is specific to a set of players. Saying you are a civ/civvie is not the same as saying you are a Civilian. In this game, I perceive "civ/civvie" to be vague and "Civilian" to be distinct.

Saying you are not a role or part of a faction is easy and always fair game. It's denial-based. Saying you are something is confirmation-based. I honestly wasn't sure if saying "I am a Civilian" would cross a line with Epi, so I wrote what I wrote without asking him if I could be that specific. I did later and it is okay. I am still feeling out the hosts here at The Syndicate. I've encountered nonchalant hosts mostly but I've known a few who are picky beyond belief. I'd rather have players mad at me than hosts because I like hosting and I respect the time and effort that goes into it. I'm pretty cordial to formal when I communicate with hosts.

In the end, perhaps I'm making mountains out of molehills over semantics but at least I'm in good company!

I'll be back later. I have so much to accomplish, so I'm going to try to force myself not to come back until at least the late afternoon or evening. For anyone that has ANY reads whatsoever, that hasn't voiced them yet, I am literally dying to hear them. I'm incredibly intrigued.

I know everyone will play their own way, so I'm not trying to push people to play any way that they aren't comfortable with, but I strongly believe in trying to develop reads through discussion, and like DH, my head will explode if I see a ton of bandwagon votes with hardly any explanation, random votes, self-votes, etc.

For anyone who actually is willing to create a Rainbow List (I'm becoming convinced they're a love/hate thing, no in between), I'd be more than happy to check out your rainbow, if you know what I mean.

In the big long response I lost yesterday I had song lyrics pop into my head as soon as I saw this post. Here goes:

"I'd write a list,
I'd write a list for you,
But what good would it do?
'Cuz it is all yellow."

[Scotty]

Link to Scotty's long post. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing.

Scotty, question for you. Do you just not trust me, or do you think that I am actually mafia? These two are very different things, and to take a leaf out of llama's book, that sounds like a "soft" accusation. You put quite a bit of effort into that post at me to some it up with a "I don't trust him".

Also, yes I did vote alongside Sloonei. I had to vote somebody though.

I have nothing else to say about the poll.

I haven't flat out accused you as mafia, no. But there are points in my breakdown of you that make me scratch my head on your gameplay. Should I just flat out accuse you? Is that what you want? Because I can. You are one of my top suspects with Elo, and you both could very well be mafia.

Do you think that ninja is mafia? You never really specifically said why you voted for her.

[Scotty]

Also a heads up that I will be up to my neck in work in the mountains with spotty reception on Saturday from 6am to 3am. Call it- a suicide shift. That being said, I will only be able to come in on a bathroom break to vote. This is not where I want to be at this point in the game, as I feel like I still have questions to answer, people to see, llamas to pet. This is not meant as a cop out, and I'm sorry if you think it is. Work is work. Daddy gotta make dem dolla bills.

I'll try to be around as much as I can today and tonight after the night phase, but this is just a heads up that I won't be able to back up a vote on Day 2, so I ideally want to come to a decision late tonight.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Catching up. Gonna reply to this along the way:

Silk Spectre wants to stay alive long enough to find the roles she is looking for. If I were her, I'd help whatever faction seemed to be losing at the moment. If town starts winning too hard, I could see her helping mafia.

The Comedian would benefit from looking very civ, since he has to be night killed. So he is likely the most pro-civ one. But he still has a separate wincon, and might change sides if town starts winning too hard.

Nite Owl has a wincon that looks very pro-civ. He will be helping us at start. But if his dad is still alive and he has a chance to help hammer a civ lynch to end the game, he will. Likewise, if he kills the guy he has to kill, but his wincon means he has to survive till the end of the game, he will want the game to end faster.

Rorschach is a serial killer. He will kill anyone in his list, regardless of the alignment. Whether that helps town or not will depend on our luck.

The others are a mystery.

not a fan of this exchange, particularly the last post. it feels like ddl is fluffing here; we don't have any info on the watchmen roles besides what's in the op and speculating on them isn't useful right now, imo.

espers's take on DDL reminds me that he wasn't appreciated for doing extensive player reads in Guess Who (but back then I think it was already Day 2 and Roxy, one of his critics, had already read him as scum during the previous night, so not a perfect analogy). Although he addressed only the four Watchmen that don't have secrets in their description, so I'm not sure what she found wrong in DDL speculating, either.

dedicating posts to talking about the setup without actually connecting anything to specific players' content is often just a way to blend in and look involved without stepping on any toes, ime. also has potential to distract others from looking for sus behaviour.

Here's the thing: i like to discuss strategy and roles. It's my thing. I love role madness games because of that, so I can strategize with abilities and roles. As soon as the game began I started looking at the Watchmen roles to figure out how they'd play and I just waiting for an opportuniry to post my conclusions.

I know that isn't particulary relevant to the hunting of baddies at this point of the game, but I don't see why every post I make should be relevant to that. It's not like it was the only thing I said in the game. Fluffing is okay as long as it isn't the only thing you do.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

At the risk of being called out for parroting llama, I'm also suspicious of Golden and espers. Specially Golden. Let me elaborate:

Spoiler: show

ping on ninja's long post...

Her finding llama's adverb idea 'interesting' and suggesting she might be willing to vote sloonei, that whole latter part of her post felt quite bandwaggony to me and not quite sincere.

Golden: Adverbs, smilies.

Yeah, sorry, was posting as catching up. I see you had already let it be known by that point

What do you think of the adverb/smiley line of reasoning, both generally and as it pertains to me this game? What is your read on me right now?

I do not think the adverb/smiley line of reasoning holds any merit as it pertains to you this game.

I don't think the concept has no merit whatsoever, but context and motivation are the most important factors. What is the function of the adverbs? How emotive are the adverbs? Etc...

For example, I found MP using them in Roger Rabbit in what was an effort to sway attention off his own teammate and on to a civilian. I called him out for his use of that kind of language, but I was also able to pin his motivations for the post on him. If I can't see the baddie motivation behind using a whole lot of adverbs, I can't find it suspicious.

I think the biggest strike against the idea is that I've read back enough of my own posts when I'm civilian and they are frequently full of adverbs. Same goes for smilies. And that is because even as a civilian I do try to deliberately set a particular tone (one that won't piss people off).

Yeah. Bass wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure LoRab was, and the entire exchange has given me a bit of a ping on lorab too.

Not nearly so big as my ping on ninja though.

If I was voting right now, ninja would likely be my vote.

Well, I read Sloonei's responses to you differently than you did. I'm not sure which of us is wrong. I thought he was saying it was you he found suspicious in BoB, but he hasn't been able to determine whether or not it is relevant because Epi 2.0 is still alive and we don't know his role.

At this point, I'd say I'm highly likely to vote for Ninja today. The only other real issue I have is with G-Man, and I think I've talked myself out of that. I need to revisit the LoRab stuff about lie detectors more closely before I pursue that.

Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.

I really want to hear from Ninja again before even considering a vote in her direction, and I think anyone else that can wait to vote should do the same.

Rico, thanks for your answers; they are appreciated.

I won't do the same. I would prefer to hear from Ninja again. Setting such an ultimatum, though, is a great way for a baddie to simply say nothing again and not get lynched.

Completely frantic at work.

Haven't caught up on thread since I last posted. Haven't even looked at poll situation. Voted Ninja. Will we back in about two hours.

I'm working my way through now.

If I'd been able to catch up with the thread before voting, I would not have voted Ninja. Her subsequent posts were pretty good looking.

I probably still would not have voted Sloonei, although the stuff started by llama about how sloonei reacted to the case on him, and where even llama admitted the original case was silly, really did go back to my Aces in RR thing, and I appreciate llama successfully catching a baddie in that way.

With that said, at the point I'm up to now I think that my vote may have gone to timmer, the point of his approach to the game when deborah is something that rang true to me (I had forgotten timmer was deb).

So here it goes. He spents the first part of the day arguing with G-Man about the whole lie detector thing, until he concludes it's not that big of a deal and moves on. I did not quote this part because it would make it too many quotes. Then he disappears for a while, and comes back where I started quoting, with a sudden suspicion of ninjuu.

I said before I thought the ninja bandwagon was forced, and I still do. The post that everyone called suspicious was a somewhat "on the fence" post giving opinions about a few things, without actually commiting to a vote. But at this point of the game I think ninja was just watching the game waiting to form an opinion, and that isn't necessarily scummy. I find it weird how that post caused such a long discussion on her, and turns out at least one mafioso (Sloonei) was actually pushing it. Right now, ninja looks pretty good to me, unless she's Moloch or something.

Anyway, back to Golden. There is lot of repeating that he intends to vote ninja, over and over. If Golden is town, I think he played pretty badly in that phase, with such hard tunneling on ninja. Worse, he is the last player to jump on the bandwagon. He feels the need to tell us over and over why he suspects that one early post from ninja, but doesn't actually come foward and vote her until near the end of the phase, at a point where Sloonei was leading the lynch. If he is mafia, it could be that he wasn't sure of whether voting for her or not, but did it in an attempt to save his partner. Otherwise, he might have waited till day 2 so ninja could post more and he could try to develop his case on her.

He disappears with 1h30 left to end the phase, appears one hour later, says he is too busy to catch up and votes ninja. Well, if someone tells me they are busy at real life, I have to believe them, but as I've said before, RL problems can become assets at the hands of baddie players, Even if he was indeed busy, it's weird that was still really active 90 minutes before the end of the phase, had not voted ninja at that point despite having suspected her for the whole day, and then only voted at a crucial moment of the poll. If he knew he would be busy irl, he could have voted ninja early.

His defense of Sloonei also calls my attention. I'm not sure of baddie Golden would be so obvious, but after playing two baddie games (Economics and Guess Who) where his play was marked by bussing, maybe he wants to change the strategy this time.

Also, his whole thing of picking a player to suspect no one else did and tunneling on them is similar to what he did in Guess Who, where he spent the whole game trying to push a suspicion on MM nobody was actually caring about.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

As for espers, he spent most of the phase suspecting me, as shown in the two posts from him I quoted above.

sorry if this is weird and out-of-game, but I've noticed Elohcin viewing the thread a few times, but she's keeping quiet. anything you'd like to say? who's your preferred lynch candidate right now?

actually, that can go for everyone. pretend the day ends at xx:40 instead of xx:00. who would you vote for?

i'd go for DDL.

linki: that's fair, it's not exactly a tight case. I still feel he's the most suspicious player so far, though.

Later, he even says he is probably going to vote me, and that I'm his most suspicious player.

voted sloonei

In response to MP's points toward me (my laptop is old and terrible and doing this thing where it takes a half hour just to start up, and I don't feel like waiting for that just so I can format a post more easily, so this is a messy phoned-in attempt at a post), I have so far only played with a G-man that is completely light and playful in all his posts (due to those reasons I mentioned earlier), so when I came in to the thread on Day 0 and saw him being perhaps the most active person in leading the discussion, regardless of how serious he says it was at the time, it was a very noticeable change in style for him. It is too minor a point to earn him a townie label just yet, but it was the strongest read I got in any direction after 3 pages of activity. "Sincere" was probably not the right word. "Active" or "aggressive"' would have been more accurate. I will hold off on commenting on the actual content of his posts until there's more of it.

Also I never expressed my suspicion of you while you were in BoB, I only mentioned it after Epi had subbed in for you. I can't find any of the posts (i made a lot of them in that game), but my point was essentially that I felt like your response to the fake truce banter on Day 0 felt a bit too preemptively defensive. Your behavior here reminded me vaguely of that.

didn't buy mp's original suspicion but this defence feels overwrought. not a strong case but I've gotta be decisive. i'm not feeling good about nijuu as I said before.

Then suddenly, with one minute left in the phase, he votes Sloonei. He quotes a post from Sloonei, parrots what other people said about Sloonei's defense being overthought, and casts a vote that did not actually change anything in the lynch, since Sloonei was already in the lead.

What is worse, is that he had never said anything about suspecting Sloonei before that. In fact, he had defended him:

that said I don't agree with the adverb/smiley arguments against sloonei, seems like a style thing more than anything.

So what's up with the change of heart? If you had voted based on what you were saying, you should have voted for me, not Sloonei. I wasn't active at all on day 1 (due to my own RL issues), and I didn't even reply your accusations against me, so what made you stop wanting to vote me?

[Marmot]

Link to Scotty's long post. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing.

Scotty, question for you. Do you just not trust me, or do you think that I am actually mafia? These two are very different things, and to take a leaf out of llama's book, that sounds like a "soft" accusation. You put quite a bit of effort into that post at me to some it up with a "I don't trust him".

Also, yes I did vote alongside Sloonei. I had to vote somebody though.

I have nothing else to say about the poll.

I haven't flat out accused you as mafia, no. But there are points in my breakdown of you that make me scratch my head on your gameplay. Should I just flat out accuse you? Is that what you want? Because I can. You are one of my top suspects with Elo, and you both could very well be mafia.

Do you think that ninja is mafia? You never really specifically said why you voted for her.

I don't understand how I could be one of your top suspects without also being mafia. I guess I could be the Indy role, but you're suggesting that I am connected to Sloonei, a member of mafia.

I didn't state really specifically why I voted nijuu in my vote post, but as I've already said, I didn't have a strong read on anyone, and had to vote someone. Nijuu was my top suspect, for want of a better term.

[Marmot]

Also a heads up that I will be up to my neck in work in the mountains with spotty reception on Saturday from 6am to 3am. Call it- a suicide shift. That being said, I will only be able to come in on a bathroom break to vote. This is not where I want to be at this point in the game, as I feel like I still have questions to answer, people to see, llamas to pet. This is not meant as a cop out, and I'm sorry if you think it is. Work is work. Daddy gotta make dem dolla bills.

I'll try to be around as much as I can today and tonight after the night phase, but this is just a heads up that I won't be able to back up a vote on Day 2, so I ideally want to come to a decision late tonight.

What kinda work?

[Scotty]

Also a heads up that I will be up to my neck in work in the mountains with spotty reception on Saturday from 6am to 3am. Call it- a suicide shift. That being said, I will only be able to come in on a bathroom break to vote. This is not where I want to be at this point in the game, as I feel like I still have questions to answer, people to see, llamas to pet. This is not meant as a cop out, and I'm sorry if you think it is. Work is work. Daddy gotta make dem dolla bills.

I'll try to be around as much as I can today and tonight after the night phase, but this is just a heads up that I won't be able to back up a vote on Day 2, so I ideally want to come to a decision late tonight.

What kinda work?

Catering. The soul-sucking kind. I think tomorrow's for the Dolan family. The guy that owns the Knicks.

[G-Man]

Responses and thoughts from Page 8:

I'm just gonna talk. It's gonna get a little stream-of-conscious-y, so I hope y'all don't mind.

Personally, I have a "policy no-lynch". Which is, I avoid lynching on d1 people I know are really good at the game, unless I have a strong reason to.

I like this policy.

I don't. Good players won't usually give you a good reason to vote them on Day 1. If they did, they probably wouldn't be on you 'good players' list. Giving a pass to "good players" is bad. While I realize that you're are not saying that you wouldn't put pressure on or look closely at a "good player" Day 1, you are in a way creating a class of people who are worthy of a free pass. You better believe they take advantage of that charity every time they can.

In writing, there's a phrase: "murder your darlings." Don't be afraid to apply that here. Heaven knows the baddies do it all the time.

Agree with this. Don't ever give mafia a reason to act like or be something - they'll use it to their advantage every time.

Also, I ain't doing no rainbow list. Fuck that noise.

For anyone that has ANY reads whatsoever, that hasn't voiced them yet, I am literally dying to hear them. I'm incredibly intrigued.

Oh dear. You might want to get to a doctor

Since G-Man is prominent in the conversation, I'll include my two cents. I'm torn about him. I agree that he seemed to take the comments in jest about "policy lynching" him Day 1 (P.S., I hadn't heard the term "policy lynch" until this game, but I understand the concept now), which could point to defensiveness. But then again, I empathize with the feeling of being bombarded, in jest or not - it can get rather irritating regardless of alignment, so I'd probably react negatively eventually. But now that I'm re-reading him again, he doesn't sound as irritated in his posts that I previously thought, so I agree with a lot of the points he's been making about mafia in general. He hasn't made any accusations (just an idea to lynch Golden for shits and giggles), but that's pretty normal for Day 1. I think. So, in conclusion, I'm less torn and more...observant and wary, really, since his name is being brought up.

I've always found the concept of using too many adverbs as a sign of baddiness intriguing. Smileys I understand. I like llama's line of thinking, especially for a Day 1 vote. While Days 1 are some people's favorite hunting days, I hate them with a passion, so sometimes you gotta go with whatever you can without a vote record - silence/hiding, evasiveness, or someone profusely and excessively using adverbs and smileys to a great extent I crack myself up

I'm done now. I'll be back after a day trip to Asheville to discuss and vote and stuff.

1) I'm glad someone agrees with me about not liking the "give 'good players' a pass. If you're willing to lynch a new player for BS reasons you should be willing to lynch a 'good player' for those same BS reasons. I'm very pro-egalitarianism. 'Merica and all, you know?

2) Unfortunately my short game is terrible. I'm not usually much of an idea guy until I have some meat to digest. I often say that I need three or four days of vote data before things start clicking for me.

3) I just assumed people were joking about being suspicious of adverbs and smileys in the other games I've played here. Adverbs are the devil and are a sign of writing skills that need improved (not judging- I use them too now and then). There is an eloquence to being succint with your words. Not sure I find them suspicious; more like melodramatic filler that can be skipped over.

I do not currently have you as a suspect G-man, which is actually saying something in your case because you're one of the few people who's posted enough to bave anything to go off of.
I did not have any bad feelings about your wording with regards to your role, and I feel like it's an odd thing to be suspicious of, but it's Day 1 and I do not object to its being brought up. I simply saw it as a player making the routine empty remarks about not being bad. Your phrasing changes very little. I am also not bad. So is everyone else.
We do have at least a 1-shot lie detector in this game, for what it's worth.

I agree that people overreacted to the way I phrased my claim to innocence. I disagree that I posted enough during Day one for anyone to have a good read on me. My Day 1 content is usually fluff-heavy. I'm not going to pretend to read players and come up with questions because I would sound forced. Day 1 is Day Fun for me. No wonder people started looking your way.

I am curious about Sloonei's motives. He knows that I am not one of the Inmates/Mafia, so sticking up for me could serve three purposes. First, he sees that I'm ripe for being the lazy, garbage Day 1 civvie lynch and can gain cred by sticking up for me and rubbing it in everyone's faces when I flip Civilian. Second, he's doing it because he knows my death won't hurt his team- even if I flip Moloch, he looks little more than naive and no one has reason to suspect him because Moloch has no teammates. Third, he's buddying up to me to make me look bad if/when he is lynched. I'm more inclined to believe the first two are in play because Sloonei had no reason to suspect he'd be lynched when he first stuck up for me.

I'm of 2 minds with the GMan stuff.

On the one hand, back in the day (when GMan was a regular) on LP/Piano, lie detector roles and statements became a thing and how people phrase statements and asking everyone to make "An LD Statement" became something of a controversy. In addition/as a result, in many games, "I am a civie" wasn't a detectable statement, so people would often not use it and got in the habit of not just saying that.

That being said, the way he phrased it doesn't sound like a way a civie would describe themselves, even with phrasing it differently. What he posted earlier sounds like something that is a baddie trying to describe themselves with a true statement on a technicality (like, if they don't have a power that can be used to harm a civie, they technically aren't a threat). And his explanation doesn't ring so true to me.

There are also roles with secrets, and we don't know how those statements might have an impact on an LD role. He could have been waiting for clarification on how a statement of "I am a civie" would show up. on G Man. Leaning towards a vote in that direction.

Correct me if I'm wrong but is this the origination point of the Lie Detection discussion in regards to my "curiously-worded" post? I remember lie detection statements being a big deal on STV when I first got into mafia. My refusal to make a "I am a civvie" statement in my first game ever yielded bad results and I tried to sell out the rest of my teammates for amnesty. That didn't go over well either. I remember lie detecting roles falling out of favor all over my mafia-playing map because it was seen as an annoying requirement and some people didn't like being the LD role because it was boring and people were finding ways to get around a definitive statement.

I've already explained my reasons for the wording of my statement though. I made to denial-based statements and one confirmation-based statement. Again, I didn't think it would turnout to be the issue that it was. I find it curious though that the thread seemed to latch onto this LD topic. I will jot names down in my spreadsheet of anyone who seems passionate one way or the other about this topic.

By the way- good to see you again LoRab!

The two games i've played with G-man were Economics (where he was town but posted entirely in pictures for the whole game) and Bullets over Broadway (where he was scum and replaced in after Day 2 or 3.......

I hosted G-Man in Guess Who and he tried a thing where he would begin each new post with the next letter of the alphabet.

I really don't have time atm to look at his posts in Bullets over Broadway or the other games he has played in but I am wondering what posting fun he tried to have in the other games he's played. I wonder if he even tries to do something funky with his posts if he is bad or if being on a team and having people to talk to BTS is enough for him to keep a game interesting. I don't see any themes running through his posts in this game, but I could be missing it. It's something to think about.

G-Man, do you do posting themes in each game despite your alighment? If so, can you tell us what you did in BoB when you were mafia?

G-man, you continue to be my hero.
In BoB it was hard to read into his posts at all. He subbed in on Day 2 or 3 for a scum player (gamerguy) who was one of the thread's most popular suspects before he had subbed out. So G-man was a dead man walking from the moment he showed up, and he knew it. I just noticed a marked change (he seems more engaged) this time around than in my previous games with him. I'll start digging through his content later, but for now I do not feel there's enough of it for me to get anywhere.

Who do you think you might vote for today now that i'm off the table?

1) My Guess Who 'thing' was a sad, sad failure because I forgot to stick with it any time I got really excited about writing a quick retort.

2) I'm still in an exploratory phase of coming up with ideas and finding out what works in terms of posting themes. I'd like to do something unique every game but that has not been the case. In Biblical we were behind socks and I threw myself back into the game with no reservations. The technicolor vote lists were just a useful way for me to analyze votes that I wanted to share. I had never done them before.

3) I don't have a theme for this game and that fact disappoints me. I couldn't find a decent avatar, I couldn't come up with a fun theme to pull (though I thought about trying the alphabet thing again), and I'm fumbling all over the place by trying to be more like STV G-Man. He was as friendly as a balrog at times and I'm finding that I just don't have what it takes to drink from that well again.

4) I did not have a theme in BoB due to the circumstances. That's all I can say about that until BoB is over.

5) Sloonei, you need to find a new hero. My track record may be fun but it's not very successful.

I did some catch-up, but, as intense as it was, I'm not getting too much out of the D0 banter. Firstly, it strikes me as the first serious D0 one we've had since Death Note, with that D0 poll generating at least 10 pages or so of elephant talk. In that case, all the banter diffused once the majority decided to go for the regular, benign type of voting - which, in here, would translate to me that if the D1 ax won't fall on G-Man (although it currently seems like a possibility), Golden (which currently seems least likely to happen) or others involved, it will account for not much afterwards. Secondly, given the amount of fishing, rusing, jesting, banter and such, I either feel compelled to take it at face value or be slightly irritated by the "state something - launch debate/controversy over it - pull back by saying it was all a ruse or tongue-in cheek" dynamic. G-Man caught my eye with how, after almost an entire day of banter, policy talk and such, he himself seemed to finally acknowledge that his initial replies to Golden were also jest (second part of this post).

So what is it, in the end? Was it all a jest or are we trying to get something out of this eventually? There's no denying civs and mafia can both blend in on such banter occasions (thinking back to my Death Note, we had boo there, charming us with his analysis), but so far I'm not sure of any strong leads. I'm reading MP ok with his principles on the whole policy lynching thing and his inquiry of others. I'm reading Llama as doing regular Llama stuff on D0-D1, which is fishing and openly claiming a baddie read - except for maybe his Sloonei reasoning boiling down to "smileys and adverbs", because "it's reasonable guys", which is an eye-roller imo. For all the talk on "policy lynching" Golden based on his last baddie game: while I'm reading nothing suspicious in his posts so far, I can't help noticing how nobody's bringing Dharma up for the same "policy", considering how much he rekt the civs in Omerta.

So if it boils down to the originators of the whole banter, meaning Golden and G-Man, I think they both had a shaky start. Golden did basically start the whole thing, effectively signaling a meta from the sign-up phases that revenge lynching might be in store for him (including not just G-Man, but also MM and myself as players who might desire that ) and, after a few fluff and banter posts and being away whilst discussing was intensifying, he return to, in reply to MP's query, clear everyone except G-Man of possible charges and keep pressure on him. Others are finding this ok, since they themselves resonate with G-Man being suspicious, but idk, I'd keep this under scrutiny.

Then again, G-Man does indeed look worse in this equation, especially with how he decided at first to go ahead and call his "policy lynching" on Golden intentional and, as I've said, only after a full day to strongly claim it was just as jesting as everything else that's been said on the matter, by everyone else. Plus, in my catch up, other posts of his have also intrigued me, mostly notably this one, where he answers MP that he is not considering a policy lynch on Golden, yet Golden is his "contingency vote" if nothing else arises - which doesn't it sound a bit the same? To be fair, though, I'm reading his later explanations slightly better. There's also his answer to MM's question. If he accidentally claimed Watchmen, it's so interpretable, because the Watchmen go different ways and a lynch would probably have different repercussions for each one as well. Anyone has a take on this? I'm seeing only one instance of a "not posing a threat to civies", from the Watchmen that don't have secrets.

Oh christ I started this post an hour ago.

This was an interesting read. I did get left on the clothesline while everyone else was let off the hook. That's probably because I was so tenacious.

I also don't like how G-man pharsed his "I'm not bad" statement and will also bbe considering voting for him.

I find it interesting that Bass (and others) seem to be hung up on my third statement and completely ignore the two denial-based statements. According to Meat Loaf, two outta three ain't bad but apparently that's not the case in mafia.

[G-Man]

Page 9 was a breeze:

I'm feeling better about G-Man. Not 100% better, but a fair bit better.

I sort of understood the suspicion around his curiously worded statement, until we started getting into the lie detector stuff. Then I remembered how, back in the STV days, (ah, the STV mafia days) wording statements in that kind of way was completely normal. I had actually completely forgotten how we used to draft everything in such a way that the lie detector might be able to check us out, and because they couldn't check statements like 'i am civilian', you did used to say stuff like 'i am not a threat to the civilians'.

G-Man has been on break since STV days until very recently, so when I thought that through I realised that it would be pretty logical some of his phrasing would show vestiges of the way we used to do things on STV.

Not sure how it translate into STV time but I have been on hiatus pretty much since the Piano died or roughly a few months after RM got started. I went back to college part-time to pursue my accounting degree and just didn't have time for mafia between school, work, wife, and kid.

Yeah. Bass wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure LoRab was, and the entire exchange has given me a bit of a ping on lorab too.

Not nearly so big as my ping on ninja though.

If I was voting right now, ninja would likely be my vote.

LoRab, don't forget you have the smiley named after you!

Anyway, updated rainbow list incoming. Golden and I are on the same wavelength, since in catching up I was just typing out something that Blooper's entire post was "a whole lot of words without saying much of anything" and that particular part that Golden highlighted appeared to me like she was providing cover for herself to make a Day 1 vote later, as if she doesn't genuinely care to baddie hunt.

I also am starting to come around to giving G-Man another Day, especially since the STV context (I forgot about this, but I think we had a similar discussion in a different game with zeek), and because he is posting a lot. There are way too many players hiding back, the momentum is way too heavy against G-Man, so I'm way more interested in searching for other suspects at the moment.

I'll have to go back and re-read Niju's posts. Maybe I don't have a problem with posts that say very little because I am guilty of that myself.

Did anyone else notice how Elo seemingly jumped onto a vibes-based suspicion of Sloonei (which I held), and then dropped it, after I dropped it? What do folks think of that? I'm not sure what to make of Elo right now.

I'll be curious to read about how your stance on her developed as Sloonei became the target du jour and flipped Inmate.


I'll try to get through Page 10 before lunch is over. No promises.

[LoRab]

RIH Sloonei. You seem fun to play with, so sorry to see you go soon. But glad to see a baddie gone.

In my re-reading, I am also pinged by the big deal being made out of G-Man's lie detector statements. Especially considering he said "I am not a mafia" which is an equally lie detectable statement as "I am a civvie".

Of the people making a fuss about it LoRab strikes me as most suspect, I may put my vote there.

If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?

"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

And, at this point, no one else is standing out to me. I'm often a 1 suspect at a time kind of gal. Also, day 1, so not much to go on.

Bull. Shit.

Also, Vote LoRab

Wondering which part you believe was bullshit? Happy to explain any of my thoughts. I'm still thinking them. Eye me all you want. *twirls*

WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE WHY ARE THERE ALREADY 7 PAGES

I'm going to bed. I'll catch up with this tomorrow

You know, I've been in bed now for 2 hours. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was bringing my laptop with me. Good on you, ninja

I sympathize with Ninja.

The G-Man alignment discussion started out feeling to me like a really solid case, but as I thought about it more it got so WIFOM-y that I really can't make head nor tail of it now. I will say, though, for what it's worth, that every single non-civ role in this game seems pretty darn anti-civ, especially now that we know for sure Watchmen are civs. So saying you're not anti-civ = saying you're civ, in my mind. I don't think that would fool a lie detector test, but I also can't figure why he'd bother wording it so carefully. (By the way, as MM pointed out, the LD discussion seemed super superfluous. Who even brought that up?) I could potentially see myself voting there, but I can't say I'm fully convinced he's bad.

I do think llama may be onto something with Sloonei (mainly because of Sloonei's defensiveness), but I didn't really try to read players for alignment in Economics, so I don't have a strong opinion on his civ game. I'd have to read Economics again, and it's 100 pages so no thank you. But I don't see myself voting there either.

Soem of the watchmen roles do not seem overtly any civ, and we don't know their win conditions. Also, I haven't looked closely enough to see if every baddie has a power that has a direct impact on a civ role. Will look at roles more closely.

I bolded and underlined.

On day 1, I think (for me at least) there isn't a lot to go on to have more than 1 player I find suspicious. There hasn't been long enough for patterns of behavior/posting to really establish themselves. But you can disagree.

Until I just read MP's list, I kind of forgot LC was playing. So I checked the who's posted thingie, and he only has 1 post (only other person with 1 post, btw, is K-nuk, who isn't playing). And here's his 1 post:

If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?

You mean the player whose posts can be read with the deepest voice or the player who writes the low-down meanest posts?

I believe the word you are looking for is fewest.

G-Man is now on my list of people that I will not vote for on Day 1.

linki- are we doing a Golden Day 1 lynch? Is that what we're doing?

Statistics tell me leaving Golden alive is always bad for town. Never played a game where he didn't destroy the fuck out of the poor civs.

If it wasn't for Golden, the civilians wouldn't have won Biblical or Roger Rabbit, so... I can provide counterexamples for practically every example.

Is anyone here seriously considering a policy lynch option for Day 1? I just don't think it's wise.

Hey- Golden had a LOT of help behind the scenes. Never forget that. He was right and I was wrong about the final baddie but my lists helped serve up at least two baddies- one of which I handed to Golden on a silver platter from beyond the grave. I'd like to think that he would have had a much harder time winning that game without my help.

I will not stand for a closed-minded town on Day 1.

Then take a seat.

For the record... I was taking it all in stride. As in, I thought that everyone was pretty much joking, but I saw the potential for any of them to make it real just for fun as well. Although Metalmarsh and Golden are survival buddies right now, so I doubt either of them are inclined to lynch unless they're pretty convinced.

Anywho, I'll vote for Rorschach's Journal, because Rorschach is my favourite part of a story made of awesome parts. This quote I quoted is where I have read up to at this point, be back later.

Ironic that his first comment is on a comment (an awesome comment, btw) about fewest posts. Which manages to comment on the matter without commenting on the matter.

As importantly, he manages to say he will not vote for G-Man without having to defend him. Given the fact that I suspect G-Man, this strikes me as suspicious.

And the bulk of his post is about another game--nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but he barely makes comment on this game. Which isn't really like him.

I am still suspicious of G Man. But LC has just moved up on my suspiciometer (I guess I have 2 suspects now, lol). And I hope he posts more. I may throw him a vote just to get him to post more.

Looks like you didn't throw me that vote. That's ok, it wouldn't have affected my posting volume at all, so that plan was doomed from inception.

Ah, but posting about you has gotten you to post. So yay!

[Marmot]

I'm voting for the Comedian’s gun.
I also think I will be voting MM day one. He always seems like he is bad. lol

Thats was a joke.

That was a terrible joke. No offense.
I'm looking forward to what you have to offer in Day 1, Bass.

Oh hey, I forgot to address this.

It's an inside joke, kind of. Bass thinks I am bad basically every single game we play, and says such. I accused him of it recently, because I am not mafia every game, and wondered why he always thinks that way.

And then one game, Bass did not call me bad, instead asking me for my thoughts and reads. Lo and behold, Bass was mafia that game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I went through Scotty's posts to see what all the fuss is about.

What I got is that he estabilished a method of choosing suspects from the start, which was looking at the list of players who had a low number of posts, and then picking the most suspicious one among them. He voted Elo because of that, and his vote was fairly consistent with the arguments he gave along the day. He seemed to have a kind of hands-off approach to the game in the phase, not doing much other than fluffing and talking about Elo. He did claim he doesn't believe in the accuracy of day 1s and did not actually want to make a big effort, so again, it's consistent. But it could also be a great way for a mafioso to coast along day 1, ignoring the players most people are suspecting and throwing an easy vote at someone nobody is paying much attention to.

I'd like to see more of him in the next phases before drawing a conclusion. If his problem is with D1, how does Scotty play on D2 and foward?

I'm not sure what to think of his position about Elo, though. The way she played feels organic to me (having a gut feeling against Sloonei but not quite finding something in his posts that proves it, something I've dealt with myself before), but it could also be easy for a mafioso to fake. Then again, she broke the tie between Sloonei and ninja, which could be an incredibly risky bussing for a D1 (unless she learned something from her husband in Guess Who and is trying to mimick that, lol).

[G-Man]

Last one for a little while. Page 10...

So did anyone get anything from the day zero poll?

I did not.

I did.

I'm curious to see if there is any fallout or follow-up due to Espers' claim of not receiveing anything despite voting the same as MM.

Why is everyone so hyped up on the lie-detector thing? As far as I know, there is only one role that can lie-detect, and even that role (Night Owl II) can only use it once in the game. Also, Epignosis is hosting this game, so I don't believe a lie detector would be permitted to check any of the statements made in this post.

Interesting to see MM take a quasi-Hillary Clinton approach to the subject. I'm not sure if that feels like a natural response for him. I'm not sure that I have enough experience with him to tell though.

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

Ninja for that one big post of hers. I am not happy that the two people I've narrowed my vote down to have a combined 7 posts between them. But in ninja's posts she provided a wishy-washy fence-sitting read on G-man and also gave a suggested some pretty empty support of llama and the "adverb/smiley" theory without offering more of her own opinion beyond "I don't like Day 1s." I would like to hear a lot more from ninja on some reads and I know she is a capable player, but for now I think she's the player I feel most comfortable voting for, so I'm voting Ninjajuju.

This has been a pretty solid Day 1 but it still feels like there's a lot of people who have yet to weigh in. I hope to get some more voices in this discussion before he day's end, but I will not be able to take part in it. If anyone is having trouble coming up with things to say, just post the first thoughts that come to mind when you look at the thread. Literally anything is better than not posting.

This post by Sloonei gives me pause. I know from skimming that there is speculation that other members of the Inmates may have voted Sloonei but I have to wonder if the Inmates would even come out against each other in the thread. I mean, there are just three Inmates, so they can't really afford to lose a member, especially with Moloch out there as a potential second kill. Does anyone think the small size of the Inmate team would keep them from grabbing for cred by talking about each other as suspicious? Hopping on a bandwagon and riding the tide I can see but trying to set up one of your two teammates? The accountant in me doesn't like those numbers.

OK, so, here is my question in relation to people's Elo suspicion.

Do people agree, or disagree, with her assertion that DDL seems comfortable?

I don't know about comfortable but I haven't seen anything that seems unusual. After getting curb-stomped in Guess Who, I'm pretty sure his baddie game has been elevated. I am more curious to know if people think it feels like he's holding back. It seems some people got clued into Sloonei by him faking his civ game. I have not seen enough of Dragon's posts to reach a conclusion but have others felt one way or the other about this?

Some other quick thoughts I have:
I have expressed vague support of G-man, but I don't necessarily have him as a town read. That said, I don't support any of the cases I have seen made against him thus far. That does not mean he should not be looked at further.

I do not wish to OMGUS thellama, but I find his case against me to be a bit weak and that is something that could become suspicious down the line, depending on how it progresses, but for now it's too early to make a judgment.

I am now 10 minutes late for work, woohoo

And there's the straw that breaks the Sloonei's neck. Vague? Really? You, sir, just got rolled like Dragon did in Guess Who.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I'm voting for the Comedian’s gun.
I also think I will be voting MM day one. He always seems like he is bad. lol

Thats was a joke.

That was a terrible joke. No offense.
I'm looking forward to what you have to offer in Day 1, Bass.

Oh hey, I forgot to address this.

It's an inside joke, kind of. Bass thinks I am bad basically every single game we play, and says such. I accused him of it recently, because I am not mafia every game, and wondered why he always thinks that way.

And then one game, Bass did not call me bad, instead asking me for my thoughts and reads. Lo and behold, Bass was mafia that game.

I'm glad someone got he joke. lol

[Bass_the_Clever]

G-man when I was talking about the "i'm not bad" post I meant all the statements. Not just the last one. Instead of make 3 different statements you could have just said "I'm civ" and I wouldn't have thought that strange at all.

[G-Man]

Printing more reports. Here's Page 11:

Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.

Maybe it's just because I'm reading the thread in hindsight but I'm surprised you didn't see anything squirrely with Sloonei. After the first one I noted on, his posts got progressively curiouser.

Regarding where I am at this moment:

I have very slight suspicions of G-Man and Ninja. That being said, I think a lynch of Ninja right now would be "easy", and I'm consequently hesitant to cast my vote that way, or in G-Man's direction. I'm going to examine the players I have in my No Read section now.

That said, Ninja does have the highest propensity to receive my vote as well, but man, these lynch trains always make me nervous, and they do minimize the information we can gleam in subsequent Days from looking back at this lynch, especially if hardly anyone casts off.

Good call avoiding the low hanging fruit (at least me anyway). I hope that holds fast in Day 2.

Also, I have literally zero suspicion of sloonei. I do not yet see any reason to think he is bad and I have not really agreed with any of the cases on him. I think he is the person who looks most at risk of suffering my econ day one fate - someone that no baddie is going to be sad to see lynched because he can be a threat to their chances of success later on. I'm much more wary of those who have simply jumped on the 'sloonei looks bad' bandwagon than I am of sloonei.

I'm very glad you said this, because that's precisely the reason I backed off of my gut-based suspicion of Sloonei earlier. I started feeling like I was expecting too much of him, realizing that my thoughts on him were exactly "trying too hard to meet meta" and other vague feelings that are not logical or based on actual content. It's the same kind of vague poisonous suspicion that took you down in Economics.

Consequently, I will NOT be voting for Sloonei today.

So you got suckered. Interesting. MP has a heart after all. The accounting gods will not approve. Your punishment will be 50 box audits by Monday and be sure to get your TPS reports in by 3:oo, mmm-kay?

9 townies, 3 mafiosos. Chance of lynching a townie is three timer higher than a mafioso (75-25).

The indies are excluded because they can be either pro-town, anti-town, or neutral, we can't possible measure that. So I just assume they all average as neutral and that we are still more likely to lynch pro-town.

I think you can add Silk Spectre and The Comedian to the civvie side of the equation. Neither of their win conditions suggest any harm to the civvies. Regardless, we're always more likely to lynch civvie than a baddie whether we use randomization or our best effort to deduce the identity of a baddie. Using strict probability, the odds are always stacked against us.

Silk Spectre wants to stay alive long enough to find the roles she is looking for. If I were her, I'd help whatever faction seemed to be losing at the moment. If town starts winning too hard, I could see her helping mafia.

The Comedian would benefit from looking very civ, since he has to be night killed. So he is likely the most pro-civ one. But he still has a separate wincon, and might change sides if town starts winning too hard.

Nite Owl has a wincon that looks very pro-civ. He will be helping us at start. But if his dad is still alive and he has a chance to help hammer a civ lynch to end the game, he will. Likewise, if he kills the guy he has to kill, but his wincon means he has to survive till the end of the game, he will want the game to end faster.

Rorschach is a serial killer. He will kill anyone in his list, regardless of the alignment. Whether that helps town or not will depend on our luck.

The others are a mystery.

not a fan of this exchange, particularly the last post. it feels like ddl is fluffing here; we don't have any info on the watchmen roles besides what's in the op and speculating on them isn't useful right now, imo.

For someone who scolded me for questionable statistics in Economics Mafia, I was certainly surprised to see Dragon's fuzzy math here. Speculation has its time and place but I agree that Dragon muddies the waters here.

Also, espers, what say you about the discrepancy between you and MM about getting something/nothing after the Day 0 vote?

Speaking of DharmaHelper, can you elaborate on any of the reads you have made just yet, or are you still forming them? I've noted what you've said thus far, but I'm a bit unclear on whom you're considering for your vote at the moment.

I am not sure what to think of Scotty, personally. Something about him is giving me pings, but I don't feel comfortable right now voting for him, since it's 100% a gut read and I'd have a hard time building a case around it.

The crowd you asked about originally (Llama, DDL, G-Man, etc) have my eye as well, and I'd maybe put a vote in there. I still haven't gotten to the sloonei thing yet, so I don't know too much about that. Timmer's self vote is frustrating but I feel like there's enough discussion to put a vote somewhere else.

My read on you is kind of odd. You are way too agreeable and friendly, for one thing, like you're afraid to ruffle feathers and you want to get on everyone's good side. Your massive posts also skeeve me out. You are reminding me of me, when I'm bad and I want to take the leadership role in the thread.

Intriguing observation. Especially considering MP's absolving himself from voting Sloonei and then tacking a mid-to-late vote on Scotty to bring him within one vote of Sloonei and tied with Niju.



Also, perhaps I just missed it but did MM state a reason for his vote for Niju in the thread? I'll look back for it later if I can.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Come on G-Man I can fail at math sometimes too.

Math calculations done at mafia games shouldn't be taken seriously lol

[Marmot]

Come on G-Man I can fail at math sometimes too.

Math calculations done at mafia games shouldn't be taken seriously lol

[Elohcin]

G-Man, what is your favorite color?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Come on G-Man I can fail at math sometimes too.

Math calculations done at mafia games shouldn't be taken seriously lol

I have no idea how to react to this.

[G-Man]

Come on G-Man I can fail at math sometimes too.

Math calculations done at mafia games shouldn't be taken seriously lol

I have no idea how to react to this.

That's what she said!




Going to try to cover page 12 here at the end of the work day.

G-Man, what is your favorite color?

Is there a particular reason why you're asking? If so, please tell me why.

[Scotty]

I went through Scotty's posts to see what all the fuss is about.

What I got is that he estabilished a method of choosing suspects from the start, which was looking at the list of players who had a low number of posts, and then picking the most suspicious one among them. He voted Elo because of that, and his vote was fairly consistent with the arguments he gave along the day. He seemed to have a kind of hands-off approach to the game in the phase, not doing much other than fluffing and talking about Elo. He did claim he doesn't believe in the accuracy of day 1s and did not actually want to make a big effort, so again, it's consistent. But it could also be a great way for a mafioso to coast along day 1, ignoring the players most people are suspecting and throwing an easy vote at someone nobody is paying much attention to.

I'd like to see more of him in the next phases before drawing a conclusion. If his problem is with D1, how does Scotty play on D2 and foward?

I'm not sure what to think of his position about Elo, though. The way she played feels organic to me (having a gut feeling against Sloonei but not quite finding something in his posts that proves it, something I've dealt with myself before), but it could also be easy for a mafioso to fake. Then again, she broke the tie between Sloonei and ninja, which could be an incredibly risky bussing for a D1 (unless she learned something from her husband in Guess Who and is trying to mimick that, lol).

I'd like to think I wasn't coasting on Day 1. I know I wasn't as active as I usually am, which is a product of bad timing unfortunately. I do pick it up and go more in depth with people. Having a lynch, and of a baddie no less, gives a lot of info instead of pure speculation. In the coming days (after Sunday I fear) I'll have more time to devote to that end.

The ping I had with Elo had naught to do with her sniffing at Sloonei and backing down, because I didn't necessarily find that suspicious at the time.
However it's a new day and we now know Sloonei was bad, so why DID she acquiesce from her original suspicions?
She certainly wasn't the first of the people to think something was "off" about Sloonei, but she follows through with her early suspicions even though she didn't have an exact example of why her gut was telling her. She broke the tie off ninja. THAT is not something I would see mafia doing. A late vote, sure. But not one that could drive the lynch. I'm willing to back down from my proposition against Elo right now just for that reason alone.

[Scotty]

I'm voting for the Comedian’s gun.
I also think I will be voting MM day one. He always seems like he is bad. lol

Thats was a joke.

That was a terrible joke. No offense.
I'm looking forward to what you have to offer in Day 1, Bass.

Oh hey, I forgot to address this.

It's an inside joke, kind of. Bass thinks I am bad basically every single game we play, and says such. I accused him of it recently, because I am not mafia every game, and wondered why he always thinks that way.

And then one game, Bass did not call me bad, instead asking me for my thoughts and reads. Lo and behold, Bass was mafia that game.

thanks for clarifying! I'm very outside of these inside jokes. Though I do go outside sometimes when the sun doesn't shine too much

[Marmot]

Come on G-Man I can fail at math sometimes too.

Math calculations done at mafia games shouldn't be taken seriously lol

I have no idea how to react to this.

I will take all of your numbers seriously.

[Scotty]

I want to hear from:
Golden on his name being brought up by GMan and others.
LongCon to answer my question
MP on my response to his last response. And if he has anything to say about being one of the first people to find something fishy on Sloonei, then completely pull back.

MM,

Link to Scotty's long post. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing.

Scotty, question for you. Do you just not trust me, or do you think that I am actually mafia? These two are very different things, and to take a leaf out of llama's book, that sounds like a "soft" accusation. You put quite a bit of effort into that post at me to some it up with a "I don't trust him".

Also, yes I did vote alongside Sloonei. I had to vote somebody though.

I have nothing else to say about the poll.

I haven't flat out accused you as mafia, no. But there are points in my breakdown of you that make me scratch my head on your gameplay. Should I just flat out accuse you? Is that what you want? Because I can. You are one of my top suspects with Elo, and you both could very well be mafia.

Do you think that ninja is mafia? You never really specifically said why you voted for her.

I don't understand how I could be one of your top suspects without also being mafia. I guess I could be the Indy role, but you're suggesting that I am connected to Sloonei, a member of mafia.

I didn't state really specifically why I voted nijuu in my vote post, but as I've already said, I didn't have a strong read on anyone, and had to vote someone. Nijuu was my top suspect, for want of a better term.

Your involvement (or non-involvement in this case) is purely another facet of a case that you could be bad. You weren't the only person to not mention or interact with Sloonei, so that is a very minor point I was making.
I don't understand how ninja can be one of your top suspects because she "apologized for her long post".
I get it, it's Day 1, we're all grasping at straws and may not have any strong reads, but that's the weakest reasoning I've heard for a top suspect. Your answer to my question of "do you think she is mafia" is very similar to how I answered when both MP and you asked me if I thought you were mafia. And if y'all have a problem with that, it's called double standards.
Your Day 1 was sitting on a fence and watching the mice scurry around below. I wish I knew what alignment you were in BoB, because your vague gameplay is very similar and I went through this same "Which Wine Do I Drink (or however that phrase goes)" in that game around this time too.

I think I can safely say I read you as moderate candidate for mafia as of now. Otherwise I'm going to keep double guessing you and commenting how I often don't receive direct answers from you. Is it your early game play style? Maybe. And some people may let that slide, but that comes off (to me) rather fishy.

[Elohcin]

G-Man, what is your favorite color?

Is there a particular reason why you're asking? If so, please tell me why.[/quote]
So untrusting.

3) I don't have a theme for this game and that fact disappoints me. I couldn't find a decent avatar, I couldn't come up with a fun theme to pull (though I thought about trying the alphabet thing again), and I'm fumbling all over the place by trying to be more like STV G-Man. He was as friendly as a balrog at times and I'm finding that I just don't have what it takes to drink from that well again.

How about this?





P.S. Be careful searching for images of the letter G when kids are around. Oh yes, you get the pictures of things like 'G is for girl' and 'G is for garbage' with an Oscar the grouch from Sesame Street on it. But, G is also for G-sting. I saw a lot of butts during my search and even a penis too