Watchmen [ENDGAME]

#1051

Rorschach better clean up.

Also I spelled that correctly first go around. Nice.

#1052

I can't believe how many people missed this crucial vote. Come on, you guys.

#1053

Elohcin wrote:*sigh* okay, I am sobering up. You guys are no fun. I am not bad y'all. Look at my voting record. I really thought I could have a little fun tonight and not be looked at b/c I have such a good voting record. . I will vote for cookie with you all on Day 4 if you guys really see her as bad.

Why do you think you should be exempt from examination? Everyone should be examined.

#1054

Epi you better give me the role I want for Arkham btw.

#1055

Elohcin wrote:My list is G-Man and any two quiet players.

> Votes least quiet player (except if you count D2) in the history of the universe.

#1056

oh shit. it appears I've missed the vote and I may be on the chopping block?

I haven't caught up but if there's anything you'd like me to comment on quickly before the day ends i'm up for that.

#1057

Elo

Why would you agree to preemptively throw your vote onto Cookie over 48 hours in advance of the subsequent EoD, if "we all really" think she is bad?

Can't you come up with your own suspects?

#1058

espers wrote:oh shit. it appears I've missed the vote and I may be on the chopping block?

I haven't caught up but if there's anything you'd like me to comment on quickly before the day ends i'm up for that.

Read the last page or two, at least, quickly, then let me know what you're thinking.

#1059

#1060

We were at a picnic and left much later than I hoped to. I had the pedal as far to the metal as my pregnant wife would allow. Once again, she doesn't know I'm playing a mafia game at the moment. I am a horrible, horrible husband.

#1061

Who murdered nijuukyugou?

Poll ended at Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:38 pm

Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes

Cookie
1
MovingPictures07 (12)
8%

DharmaHelper
2
Dragon D. Luffy (6), Cookie (8)
17%

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes

Elohcin
1
Ricochet (11)
8%

espers
2
DharmaHelper (5), G-Man (9)
17%

G-Man
1
LoRab (7)
8%

Long Con
0
No votes

LoRab
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
1
Elohcin (10)
8%

Ricochet
0
No votes

Russtifinko
0
No votes

timmer
0
No votes

Silhouette (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
Epignosis (1), Golden (2), Scotty (3), thellama73 (4)
33%

Total votes : 12

#1062

It's coming.

#1063

I'm really good at flushing out mafia at least.

#1064

Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.

#1065

Elohcin wrote:Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.

What does this have to do with drunk posting?

You have no suspects, then cast a vote for me. You even panicked and indicated you might vote for Cookie after I seriously considered it, then you didn't.

It's practically Night 3. You're a lot of fun, Elo, but get your head into the game.

#1066

cookie's vote is one I can't make sense of in the least, press her hard on that.

don't understand elohcin's vote, throwaway votes at this point seem like a way to try to skirt by on wifom and avoid meaningful vote analysis

don't understand G-man's vote, why'd he feel the need to protect dharma?

why does dh think ddl should be left alive if he's moloch?

#1067

I got lynched as civ once for being drunk, elo. It happens. I only survived because of an ability.

Playing mafia while drunk is awesome, though.

#1068

What? I decided to change my vote to follow someone else because what they said made sense to me? Once I read the links MP posted, I remembered what DDL had said about DH earlier. How does that make me suspicious? I voted on a hunch. I did not think that my suspicions against DDL or Espers were strong enough to vote for them, especially when I was uncertain of my vote against Golden (and look where that got us - life without Golden). When I reread what DDL posted, I had remembered their conversation. It was quite an easy change of heart.

#1069

Also, I hope you don't resign and leave those as your final words. A falsely accused civilian should fight to the end and address accusations.

I promise I'll give you concrete items to address before casting any votes; that goes for anyone.

#1070

MP has a point, though, your bumpiness is starting to feel exaggerated.

#1071

You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

#1072

espers wrote:cookie's vote is one I can't make sense of in the least, press her hard on that.

don't understand elohcin's vote, throwaway votes at this point seem like a way to try to skirt by on wifom and avoid meaningful vote analysis

don't understand G-man's vote, why'd he feel the need to protect dharma?

why does dh think ddl should be left alive if he's moloch?

Because Moloch can kill the Mafia.

#1073

Cookie wrote:What? I decided to change my vote to follow someone else because what they said made sense to me? Once I read the links MP posted, I remembered what DDL had said about DH earlier. How does that make me suspicious? I voted on a hunch. I did not think that my suspicions against DDL or Espers were strong enough to vote for them, especially when I was uncertain of my vote against Golden (and look where that got us - life without Golden). When I reread what DDL posted, I had remembered their conversation. It was quite an easy change of heart.

So you went from having two suspects, not strong, then to reading a series of posts and suddenly having a suspect that eclipsed your thoughts of the other two, with enough confidence to vote?

My problem with it is that you never explained your thought process.

You don't really seem interested in baddie hunting.

Is that true?

#1074

FUCK. We lost an amazing role there. Sorry to see you go, DH. Thanks for your effort today.

#1075

EBWOP: That did not linki me, sorry.

#1076

RIP DH.

#1077

DH, Golden, and Llama: Supatown.

Let's not let their efforts be in vain.

#1078

No idea why I put that in red.

#1079

Oh, and Blooper too, of course.

#1080

Ugh, sorry I went MIA. Girlfriend called and needed to vent.

If I am not a full participant in this game for Day 4, I deserve to be lynched and/or replaced. It is a sweet game. I'll clean up my act.

G-Man wrote:We were at a picnic and left much later than I hoped to. I had the pedal as far to the metal as my pregnant wife would allow. Once again, she doesn't know I'm playing a mafia game at the moment. I am a horrible, horrible husband.

Oh dang! haha mafia is your mistress.

I honestly did not have a major suspicion going into this, which is a problem given how much has happened. I'd likely have voted espers, as I said, primarily for lack of a better case.

Geez it looks like that was intense.

Linki: I agree Cookies' and Elo's votes are quick flips. Fwiw I read Elo as genuine, and Cookie, being new to our brand of mafia, may not be aware of how strongly quick flips are frowned upon. Just think it's worth bearing in mind.

Double linki: Dammit. RIP DH

#1081

Oh shit.

Sorry, DH. RIP.

I'm having quite a bad performance as a scumhunter later.

#1082

Hey everybody who didn't vote : Fuck you guys

#1083

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.
What does this have to do with drunk posting?

You have no suspects, then cast a vote for me. You even panicked and indicated you might vote for Cookie after I seriously considered it, then you didn't.

It's practically Night 3. You're a lot of fun, Elo, but get your head into the game.

I'm sorry, you are right. I will do better. I just need some sleep tonight. Also, sorry DH. I feel like I might could have prevented your death had I not been so out of it. Please forgive me.

#1084

Russtifinko wrote:Ugh, sorry I went MIA. Girlfriend called and needed to vent.

If I am not a full participant in this game for Day 4, I deserve to be lynched and/or replaced. It is a sweet game. I'll clean up my act.

G-Man wrote:We were at a picnic and left much later than I hoped to. I had the pedal as far to the metal as my pregnant wife would allow. Once again, she doesn't know I'm playing a mafia game at the moment. I am a horrible, horrible husband.
Oh dang! haha mafia is your mistress.

I honestly did not have a major suspicion going into this, which is a problem given how much has happened. I'd likely have voted espers, as I said, primarily for lack of a better case.

Geez it looks like that was intense.

Linki: I agree Cookies' and Elo's votes are quick flips. Fwiw I read Elo as genuine, and Cookie, being new to our brand of mafia, may not be aware of how strongly quick flips are frowned upon. Just think it's worth bearing in mind.

Double linki: Dammit. RIP DH

This is good. You're exactly right. The last thing we need to do is fall into a rut and lynch without thinking. I'm all for letting Cookie and Elohcin explain themselves, and I very well may vote for someone else tomorrow. The last thing I want them to do is to stop talking.

I do like to apply the pressure

but we need to remain skeptical and questioning. Always.

I was 100% certain G-Man was mafia in Economics. He wasn't. Mafia is never a clear cut thing.

#1085

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.
What does this have to do with drunk posting?

You have no suspects, then cast a vote for me. You even panicked and indicated you might vote for Cookie after I seriously considered it, then you didn't.

It's practically Night 3. You're a lot of fun, Elo, but get your head into the game.
I'm sorry, you are right. I will do better. I just need some sleep tonight. Also, sorry DH. I feel like I might could have prevented your death had I not been so out of it. Please forgive me.

Don't sweat it. I just need you to really help us out here, if you are civilian, because now you're in somewhat of a tight spot.

I know you can do it. I've seen some insightful thoughts from you so far this game, which is why I was so surprised upon your revelation that you had no suspects.

#1086

RIP DH.

(Was his self-protection of night use only?

)

#1087

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Cookie wrote:What? I decided to change my vote to follow someone else because what they said made sense to me? Once I read the links MP posted, I remembered what DDL had said about DH earlier. How does that make me suspicious? I voted on a hunch. I did not think that my suspicions against DDL or Espers were strong enough to vote for them, especially when I was uncertain of my vote against Golden (and look where that got us - life without Golden). When I reread what DDL posted, I had remembered their conversation. It was quite an easy change of heart.
So you went from having two suspects, not strong, then to reading a series of posts and suddenly having a suspect that eclipsed your thoughts of the other two, with enough confidence to vote?

My problem with it is that you never explained your thought process.

Was I supposed to just not vote if I wasn't confident on anyone?

You don't really seem interested in baddie hunting.

Is that true?

I have zero confidence in my abilities to baddie hunt, therefore, I am following others in their suspicions, mostly. I have played this game before, however, never really had to scumhunt. I've always gone by hunches and power roles and unfortunately, this isn't working out that well for me in this game.

#1088

Ricochet wrote:RIP DH.

(Was his self-protection of night use only? )

It appears so.

#1089

Russtifinko wrote:
G-Man wrote:We were at a picnic and left much later than I hoped to. I had the pedal as far to the metal as my pregnant wife would allow. Once again, she doesn't know I'm playing a mafia game at the moment. I am a horrible, horrible husband.
Oh dang! haha mafia is your mistress.

Too true. Too true.

DharmaHelper wrote:Hey everybody who didn't vote : Fuck you guys

I did what I could DH. Sorry no one else believed in you.

#1090

Cookie wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Cookie wrote:What? I decided to change my vote to follow someone else because what they said made sense to me? Once I read the links MP posted, I remembered what DDL had said about DH earlier. How does that make me suspicious? I voted on a hunch. I did not think that my suspicions against DDL or Espers were strong enough to vote for them, especially when I was uncertain of my vote against Golden (and look where that got us - life without Golden). When I reread what DDL posted, I had remembered their conversation. It was quite an easy change of heart.
So you went from having two suspects, not strong, then to reading a series of posts and suddenly having a suspect that eclipsed your thoughts of the other two, with enough confidence to vote?

My problem with it is that you never explained your thought process.
Was I supposed to just not vote if I wasn't confident on anyone?

You don't really seem interested in baddie hunting.

Is that true?
I have zero confidence in my abilities to baddie hunt, therefore, I am following others in their suspicions, mostly. I have played this game before, however, never really had to scumhunt. I've always gone by hunches and power roles and unfortunately, this isn't working out that well for me in this game.

I understand, Cookie. I know how it is to be new to the game. We just need you to really try here. The problem I had with your vote is that you had no accompanying, satisfying explanation. I felt the same was true of your Golden vote.

Be confident in your own assessments of players. Feel free to use others' thoughts to guide you and strengthen you. I personally can understand, believe it or not. For years, I was a terrible civilian, and I still don't think I'm that great -- particularly by myself. Town is a team.

#1091

Also, not voting is bad form. That's not really an option.

#1092

DharmaHelper wrote:
espers wrote:cookie's vote is one I can't make sense of in the least, press her hard on that.

don't understand elohcin's vote, throwaway votes at this point seem like a way to try to skirt by on wifom and avoid meaningful vote analysis

don't understand G-man's vote, why'd he feel the need to protect dharma?

why does dh think ddl should be left alive if he's moloch?
Because Moloch can kill the Mafia.

DH is dead now so he can't discuss this but we've seen no evidence that Moloch can kill, I really don't think we should give people passes on this kind of basis.

also this isn't an excuse for missing the vote but i'd assumed the day would end on the hour, maybe some others did too.

#1093

Also to consider:

If DH created the D2 poll, then he might have used one more power. Protections out of the question leaves a lie detection or an alignment check.

If Hollis created the D2 poll, then he might have used up to two powers by now, meaning both the lie detection and/or an alignment check.

#1094

Elohcin wrote:So, I honestly don't know who to vote for today. So many people haven't been around. Are they forgetting its a 24 hour day? LC better not come in here with that excuse again. :P

I'm still a little worried G-Man and LC may be mafia. I also wonder about Scotty for reasons others have stated.

Actually I was silenced. :P Still catching up from this post though. I see that DH died, and was a good role.

I would have probably voted MP, Lorab, or Bass is it were happening. If I could have voted.

I agree with DDL's analysis of MP, it's how I feel. Looks like masterful distancing that just didn't work out. I think some of the points made about Eloh are good, and I don't suspect her so much right now.

Still catching up.

#1095

DharmaHelper wrote:Hey everybody who didn't vote : Fuck you guys

i voted

#1096

Cookie wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Golden

This isn't black and white. I may think you are my biggest suspect, and that you are the best one among the four I have to pick from, but I'd be foolish to be 100% sure if you are mafia. And if you're gonna accuse me, I have to defend myself. If I'm right and you're mafia, then no problem, I'm safe. But if I'm wrong, I'd better start defusing the bomb you're trying to plant on me.

And the reason I voted earlier is that I always do that. I hate voting late, because I know I'll look bad because of it regardless of whether I lynch civ or bad. I'd rather vote earlier and risk my neck, and show I put my vote where my mouth is.
This post struck me as odd, especially when he talks about voting late and how it makes people look suspicious. This is interesting because earlier somewhere in this thread, he talked about Espers looking bad because he voted near the end of day for Sloonei. I can't tell if it's a guilty conscience. Other than that and his entire argument with Golden just seemed forced, like he was looking for a reason to vote out Golden (I don't know if that was on purpose or not, would someone do that as a townie?). At this point, I would not vote for DDL but I regard Golden as a good player and if he found DDL suspicious, then I would trust that suspicion. This isn't enough for me to cast a vote upon.

In the beginning of the game, I found Elo suspicious because of her voting to tie up the votes on Day 1, however, she has posted more and I no longer find her suspicious.

Honestly, I'm shocked that MP has not been killed in the NK yet. It seems suspicious because he seems to be a very good player which could possibly turn out to be a threat to the mafia if he started calling them out, unless the Inmates have not killed him because they are high up on his rainbow list?

Cookie, I'm now going to respond to this post.

What do you mean by "odd" with regards to DDL's post?

If you felt it was forced why did you not believe it was enough to cast a vote upon, when you did indeed cast your vote onto a player for whom you had no suspicion prior until right before EoD?

Why do you no longer find Elo suspicious? Is it purely because she has posted more or what exactly? And why would her Day 1 vote be suspicious?

Regarding why I haven't been NKed, well, I get lynched much more often than NKed, historically. I get tinfoiled often because I almost always am a high poster, practically everyone here knows me and has seen me pull all kinds of mafia gambits, I have historically drawn a lot of mafia roles (or did for two distinct periods of time, anyway), and my civilian record is not so great. Why did you speculate this in thread? Just curious.

#1097

Cookie wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Cookie wrote:What? I decided to change my vote to follow someone else because what they said made sense to me? Once I read the links MP posted, I remembered what DDL had said about DH earlier. How does that make me suspicious? I voted on a hunch. I did not think that my suspicions against DDL or Espers were strong enough to vote for them, especially when I was uncertain of my vote against Golden (and look where that got us - life without Golden). When I reread what DDL posted, I had remembered their conversation. It was quite an easy change of heart.
So you went from having two suspects, not strong, then to reading a series of posts and suddenly having a suspect that eclipsed your thoughts of the other two, with enough confidence to vote?

My problem with it is that you never explained your thought process.
Was I supposed to just not vote if I wasn't confident on anyone?

You don't really seem interested in baddie hunting.

Is that true?
I have zero confidence in my abilities to baddie hunt, therefore, I am following others in their suspicions, mostly. I have played this game before, however, never really had to scumhunt. I've always gone by hunches and power roles and unfortunately, this isn't working out that well for me in this game.

Honestly, Cookie, if you sign up for a mafia game, you are accepting that if you are a civ, you are gonna try to hunt mafia. Even if you're bad at it. But you have to try.

You had 48 hours (including the night) to read people's posts and trying to find something. But instead you grabbed a random post from someone (me), just agreed with it and voted. That's not playing the game at all.

And worse, you say this:

At the same time, I'm trusting someone who I originally suspected so if they turn out to be wrong, it's just going to add to my suspicions.

You are blaming me, for your mistake. Yes, I made the same mistake. But you are as responsible for it as I am.

#1098

Also, Cookie, I have had a fair share of suspicion surrounding me in this game, so I frankly am not surprised I am still alive.

#1099

Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:So, I honestly don't know who to vote for today. So many people haven't been around. Are they forgetting its a 24 hour day? LC better not come in here with that excuse again. :P

I'm still a little worried G-Man and LC may be mafia. I also wonder about Scotty for reasons others have stated.
Actually I was silenced. :P Still catching up from this post though. I see that DH died, and was a good role. I would have probably voted MP, Lorab, or Bass is it were happening. If I could have voted.

I agree with DDL's analysis of MP, it's how I feel. Looks like masterful distancing that just didn't work out. I think some of the points made about Eloh are good, and I don't suspect her so much right now.

Still catching up.

I look forward to hearing everything you have to say.

Haha, you underestimate my distancing abilities.

Or overestimate. Not sure.

#1100

MovingPictures07 wrote:[Regarding espers, here's what I most recently had to say, for reference. As the Day has progressed, I've realized yet again that he's consistently failed to deliver. And despite otherwise meaningful and well-intended content, his D1 switch/vote strikes me as quite suspicious.

MP, what did you mean here by "consistently failed to deliver"? I've been doing my best with the time I've had available.

Who deserves justice?