The Syndicate

yeah it was silly

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:38 pm - His role was claimed early on, something that mafia would have had a harder time doing.
ok but I did actually laugh when I noted that chop and made claimed first

True, but they were both yeeted for it.

Chop was finally boxed into a corner when his role was proved wrong.

Omega was also yeeted for claiming an investigative role but not visiting anyone.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:36 pm tsp tried very hard to get himself docced on n3 as to avoid any vig shots

You drew my cop instead for fishing so hard for my role.

I do think sean's vibes would have pushed me to vote TSP. There were a number of things that sean did later in the game that made me feel good about him.

- He also pushed strongly to yeet Enclave instead of Alison
- His role was claimed early on, something that mafia would have had a harder time doing.
- When I was on the road and couldn't really play, sean had no problem directing me. That was a mindset I associated with town.

So yeah, TSP definitely did make the right call killing me.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:14 pm Actually, I think I know why.

Urist seemed pretty much over the game.
Sean was busy (I recall you saying as much).
TSP was the highest posting scum player in Syndicate history.
I did more work than I let on in the thread.
I just... couldn't get over the KZA kill when Poison was calling TSP lock scum for 3 days. She killed KZA and then stopped posting. Who does that? I figured she softed the vig claim and then left when she was locked into claiming a kill on KZA.

Tbf, if I was left alive instead of you, I would've gone through the same struggle. I couldn't justify it either. I didn't envy your position at all, and was a little surprised you were the one left alive tbh.

Actually, I think I know why.

Urist seemed pretty much over the game.
Sean was busy (I recall you saying as much).
TSP was the highest posting scum player in Syndicate history.

Why would nobody talk to me Day 10.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:08 pm Teaser for a lounge thread tonight:

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I looked up every instance in which a player has made 1,000 posts or more in a Syndicate game. I did not consider dead posts or post-game posts. They are ordered below.

Rank Player Post Count Alignment Game Year

1 tutuu 1864 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

2 iaafr 1663 Civilian Inception Mafia 2019

3 Justplayingitcool 1604 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

4 MacDougall 1507 Civilian Radiohead Mafia 2020

5 Ricochet 1472 Civilian Game of Champions 2015 2016

6 JaggedJimmyJay 1458 Civilian Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90) 2015

7 Michelle 1346 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

8 TonyStarkPrime 1268 Mafia Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game 2021

rico just KILLING it in goc 2015

Ricochet was as much interested in inflating his post count to ridiculous levels that game than he was in solving, tbf.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:06 pm Ftr i tracked doom nowhere n1 that's how I knew she wasn't westin

I would've claimed an invention red lol

To be fair, I was a tracker/cop and I also went nowhere N1.

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:05 pm shooting me cost the game tbh

Holy crap dude. Good game

Really admirable effort Sean. I'm sorry I didn't get further in my attempts at solving yesterday.

TSP with a mafia game for the ages

Another reason it's probably sean. TSP and Urist have both bothered to make reads on who they think is final mafia. Sean hasn't. I imagine he doesn't want to put work into incriminating someone as that boxes in his NK choices.

I'm just going to operate under the assumpion that sean is mafia rn, and let him NK either TSP or Urist so I can iso the other one tomorrow instead. If I'm NK'd, then y'all at least have some work done for you on sean/poison/syn.

If sean's NK'd, I'll just reevaluate tomorrow.

[VOTE: No Yeet] aubergine

Gosh it's quiet here.

I need to go eat breakfast.

Syn and Poison's isos were short enough it was fairly easy to compile posts.

I am most certainly not doing the same with TSP and Urist because of the volume they've posted at, but I will browse through them for anything that looks bad.

Similarly with Sean, he has a lot of meaty posts. His ISO looks good, but I think he entered the game in an optimal slot to bus three teammates and ride it out. The only points against him I've seen thus far are that Poison's ISO looks bad from interactions with Enclave, her selection of NK'ing KZA makes little sense from town pov (I'll take a peak at KZA's ISO to see if there's anything he said about Enclave that might offer some insight).

The following points are reasons why I dislike Poison's ISO:

Poison voiced interest in hunting Vault City and JJJ, but not Enclave. As Sheriff Marion, the former makes sense, but the latter does. VC is not her enemy, but it's good easy hunting for Enclave to engage in.
Poison spent some time attempting to deflect Sloonei from his hunting of Jack.
She interacted with ChopChop a lot. The only time that Poison entertained a scumread of Chop was when he admitted to fudging up his message to Spacedaisy, but she quickly fell back from that. Chop was a viable wagon both Day 1 and 2, so I find this quite noteworthy.
Poison didn't engage with or about Omega/Made at all, even in spite of Omega being caught Day 3. That is also the time when Poison kinda started fading from the thread.
Poison's only interaction with Grogu was her trusting his green-claim. Considering her intent on hunting JJJ, her letting Grogu off the hook so easily doesn't line up. This interaction is quite w/w.

Sean's iso looks a lot better than Syn and Poison. If he's the final Enclave, he's making matters very difficult.

Poison and Syn both exhibited a very similar handling of Grogu this game. They each mentioned him in their first few posts in the thread before completely ignoring him.

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Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:20 pm I can't sheep Nanook anymore, who else do I sheep?
sheep me for glory

let's chop someone
RNG says grogu

someone tell me why this is wrong

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:23 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:20 pm I can't sheep Nanook anymore, who else do I sheep?
sheep me for glory

let's chop someone
RNG says grogu

someone tell me why this is wrong
lol they voted my slot last phase

OMGUS by RNG

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:27 pm Grogu's last post was a softball toward Nanook

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:28 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:21 pm Not bad night. Sun are you scum?
ye prolly

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:25 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:20 am Poison/Syn can easily be this role here.
I guess?

Have there been any ties this game? Any way for me to prove my vote ability that couldn't just be me gambling on the 50/50 chance of a rand? I have both my vote shots still.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:10 am [VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

chop chopchop

feels organic

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:35 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:28 am I've been slanking, and don't really know or remember much more than that.

Chop Chop is the Luke role, but that has nothing to do with Tony.
is that confirmed

am I voting for a confirmed town lol

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:29 pm
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Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 pm outing other peoples' roles is not very pro-town behaviour
*glances at Nanook wrt Poison*
oh am I already outed

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:50 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 pm outing other peoples' roles is not very pro-town behaviour
*glances at Nanook wrt Poison*
oh am I already outed
They guessed you as a Redding, Sheriff Marion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Sheriff Marion

You're the law in Redding, and when anyone runs afoul of it you're their first and only encounter before they find themselves locked up. You take your work seriously like a classic sheriff of the wild west, though your bum leg is hampering your effectiveness.

You're a 1-shot conditional vigilante. Your bum leg doesn't stop you from capping highwaymen trying hassling the town. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. However, if that player is the last living member of their faction, you will deliberately miss with a merciful warning shot. The player will not be notified of your warning shot.

Separately, you're a 2-shot limited doublevoter. You won't put up with much bullshit from the jet-wasted miners around Redding and will always put them in their places unless they all gang up on you. Twice during the game during any separate day phases, you may elect to double your vote. This will not function, however, if you are either tied for the poll lead or in second place.
Nothing mech-confirmed about it, but I determined it was a plausible thing for my own undisclosed reasons.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:09 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:50 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 pm outing other peoples' roles is not very pro-town behaviour
*glances at Nanook wrt Poison*
oh am I already outed
They guessed you as a Redding, Sheriff Marion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Sheriff Marion

You're the law in Redding, and when anyone runs afoul of it you're their first and only encounter before they find themselves locked up. You take your work seriously like a classic sheriff of the wild west, though your bum leg is hampering your effectiveness.

You're a 1-shot conditional vigilante. Your bum leg doesn't stop you from capping highwaymen trying hassling the town. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. However, if that player is the last living member of their faction, you will deliberately miss with a merciful warning shot. The player will not be notified of your warning shot.

Separately, you're a 2-shot limited doublevoter. You won't put up with much bullshit from the jet-wasted miners around Redding and will always put them in their places unless they all gang up on you. Twice during the game during any separate day phases, you may elect to double your vote. This will not function, however, if you are either tied for the poll lead or in second place.
Nothing mech-confirmed about it, but I determined it was a plausible thing for my own undisclosed reasons.
yeah that's right

no shot anymore tho

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:11 am who did you shoot?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:11 am who did you try to shoot

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:12 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:09 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:50 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:37 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 pm outing other peoples' roles is not very pro-town behaviour
*glances at Nanook wrt Poison*
oh am I already outed
They guessed you as a Redding, Sheriff Marion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Sheriff Marion

You're the law in Redding, and when anyone runs afoul of it you're their first and only encounter before they find themselves locked up. You take your work seriously like a classic sheriff of the wild west, though your bum leg is hampering your effectiveness.

You're a 1-shot conditional vigilante. Your bum leg doesn't stop you from capping highwaymen trying hassling the town. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. However, if that player is the last living member of their faction, you will deliberately miss with a merciful warning shot. The player will not be notified of your warning shot.

Separately, you're a 2-shot limited doublevoter. You won't put up with much bullshit from the jet-wasted miners around Redding and will always put them in their places unless they all gang up on you. Twice during the game during any separate day phases, you may elect to double your vote. This will not function, however, if you are either tied for the poll lead or in second place.
Nothing mech-confirmed about it, but I determined it was a plausible thing for my own undisclosed reasons.
yeah that's right

no shot anymore tho
........oh dear.

I'm afraid to ask: Who did she shoot?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 am nah Poison shot KZA

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:19 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 am nah Poison shot KZA
You know who also has a shot?
That auto spawning Enclave guy.

@Jackofhearts2005

47 - Syn made this many posts in the thread
8 - There are this many posts above that involve interactions/mentions with a confirmed Enclave
4 - The number of posts above that involve ChopChop
3 - The number of posts above that involve Grogu
1 - The number of posts above that involve Jack

Omega/Made was dead by the time Syn subbed in.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:04 pm guys my role is dark brown what does that mean

LolSyn

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Poison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:55 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:39 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:20 pm Pros: IDK
Cons: IDK (X2)

[I don't know shits about my play]
Gameplan: A FUN GAME. SHIT POSTS. HEATED ARGUMENTS. "OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUS"
Misc.: I love penguins.
Penguins are Bay!
Pocketed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:29 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:03 pm I hit post-cap before everyone else so you're all scum and I am absolutely volume cleared

I'm joking, obviously
i liked it before you said you were joiking. smh.
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:36 pm Shitposting is an interesting strat.
But the real question is, how do you plan to use it?
how do you plan to use our answers to this sir? @ChopChop

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:34 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess
I believe this.

Do we have post caps this game?

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:40 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess
Yeah think?

Hey um, greens the mafia in this game.
You green?
Wasn't green JJJ? Dude's an enemy .
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:18 am Pros: Mafia God
Cons: Will get capped n1
Gameplan: Identify the Mafia by reading their posts and deducing they are mafia
Misc: Daddy
Mac's pfp is making me feel like a gentleman who lost his glasses and went to the church and is now squinting his eyes.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:06 am Hello everyone, name is DrWilgy.

Pros: Most definitely a doctor
Cons: Most definitely a doctor
Gameplan: Most definitely a doctor
Misc: Most definitely a doctor

It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.
glad to play with you again Dr.!

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:58 pm Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.
Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=736276#p736276
I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
It felt real to me.
Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
So basically we are town reading LC?

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:59 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:59 pm Good morning people.

If you dare poison me, you’ll end up like the other guy.
But you'll die and you can't chop chop then.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pm That Gal that almost had me pocketed.
Whoo

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:05 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:02 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pm

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
It felt real to me.
Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
So basically we are town reading LC?
Who's "we" and why are you part of it?
Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.
It was Jack!scum godfather!Poison but that works.

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:17 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:11 pm Someone that tunneled town doesn’t mean anything AI.
But I kinda think hardtunneling a town Is weirdly a bit townish.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:09 am Who tf shoots Dr Wilgy on N1? You’re supposed to let him be the final mischop or just keep giving him another day and eventually he was mafia all along.
yesss I was not sure why wilgy died either. can't be a town vig, were the scums going for some other faction hunt? possible.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am Wilgy fair chance to be a vig shot anyway. *fart noises*
I am not sure about that.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:07 am [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine
Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball.
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:10 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:08 am

Yeah, 'cause Jack is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo into fake derpclears.
The vote has much much more to do with me not believing anything about Jack's progression on me.
But Sloonei. It’s multiball.
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 am

But Sloonei. It’s multiball.
On Day 1 you suspected me for things that I don't believe you would honestly suspect me for.
On Day 2 you have town-read me for things that I don't believe you would honestly town-read me for.
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:16 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:13 am
so what do you think he is up to ?
The working theory is that Day 1 Jack was trying to throw me off my game, but Day 2 Jack thinks that will no longer work.
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:43 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:25 am
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Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 am
so jack wanted to get rid off you but since he couldn't he lets it slide = he is a bad guy and you are probably his enemy = you are not a bad guy ?
No. Jack has told me in the past that he thinks I can be distracted and unproductive when I'm heavily pressured as town. He's got a point. A few people were tinfoiling me on Day 1 this game, and he came in late and threw fuel on those flames.

We have played together a lot, and in several very memorable games over the years. He says he is not great at reading me, but I think he is usually quite good at not misreading me when I'm town. That he did so so egregiously on Day 1 in this game suggests to me that he was not being honest about it. I suspected him for it initially, but then backed off because I thought maybe he was just trying to provide me cover so I'd make it to Day 2. I no longer believe that's what was happening.
while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.
I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?
i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:53 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none
@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 am who is not with Esooa

me
sloonei
spf
alison
epi
tsp
chopchop (but why not?)

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:02 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:53 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none
@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?
Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.
i don't mind being talked about though, if you have anything to say about me, here's a mic.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:03 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:01 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:59 am okay i'm gonna ask this again, do we know why c4 died?
If you look in the Rolecard section you can find a role called “Eldridge”.
Go read it then get back to me on it!

ay ay sir.

RE: SLoonei ayy ty, I'm like in the middle of Esooa's iso atm

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:08 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:05 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:02 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:53 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none
@ChopChop would you say something along the line about your scummate?
Well I haven’t said anything about you yet so I think we’re looking good.
i don't mind being talked about though, if you have anything to say about me, here's a mic.
Alright so does anyone remember anything Townie about Poison?
Just look at what they have posted today, it’s far more memorable then yesterday.

There, how’s that?

Tsk tsk. I had an exam.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:09 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:07 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:04 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:55 am @TonyStarkPrime
You were tunnelling all on me yesterday, there a reason you aren’t doing that today?
i literally just called you a wolf what the heck
You can call me what you want but the main part is lacking.

Where’s your vote? Guess you lost it yesterday.

Lmao. How do you read TSP btw

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:04 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:43 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:32 am

while all these make sense, why wouldn't a scum!jack do this? wouldn't a town get a little bit more concerned and eager to scum!read when receiving reactions like that? what's your exact read on jack rn? townie or scummy?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.
I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?
i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.
Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?
I remember an early interaction between them.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:14 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:04 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:43 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:38 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:33 am I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But my vote is on Jack right now, so I guess that answers your question.
ohhhh, I'm sorrryy I completely misunderstood something and thought you were townreading Jack after all that. my bad.
I see. Apologies for the confusion.

How do you read him? How do you read me?
i read you "not a vault city" for sure. too many factions, idk how to consider it all and judge whether you are the bad guy or not. but I don't see you scum with some people like epi, esooa, and probably Jack here.
Not that I was particularly worldbuilding off an Epi/Sloonei team but what keeps that from being a likely scenario?
I remember an early interaction between them.
@Jackofhearts2005 nvmmm I think I mixed up two games. And the interaction was probably between jjj and epi in another game. I'm sorry I misremembered probably. I'll look again and confirm.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 am pretty sure chop just claimed wolf
Pretty sure you did too. What did you do last night BTW?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:41 am umm, the luke role or the cyan role couldn'r possibly be aware of Esooa dying right, while Enclave can surely kill esooa and send the msg. so, how come chop is town if they mentioned it. actually I think I need to reread what he said.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:46 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:42 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:37 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:33 am I can't see a strong mafia reason to immediately understand what I'm saying with partial info that I gave, and to out themself as the sender when I said I believed they were bad.

Chop is town I think.
On the other hand: Esooa was (I believe) almost certainly killed by the Enclave. If your initial theory is true, the sender of the message omitted Esooa by mistake because they knew she was going to end up dead.

The Enclave has access to one of three potential roles in the game capable of sending an anonymous private message to a player.

This would be a convoluted and unfortunate coincidence if Chop is one of the two potential town roles with that ability.
Yes, the omission is what made me believe it was someone posing as Luke, they specifically mentioned the Brotherhood, so that was why I said I don’t believe they are Luke.

There was no good reason for Chop to claim that. Not for town or mafia. The difference is, town are more likely to throw in the towel in a moment of frustration or upset (like the realization their carefully crafted message had blown up in their face because they accidentally overlooked someone). Mafia are more likely to try and find a way to cover. In this case, all Chop had to do was not own up to sending it. No one but Jay and Chop would know.

So Sloonei, which do you think this was?
i still don't understand why chop is town from this.

I need a break. will be back later.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:12 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:10 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:56 am Posting party parrot makes you town.
you are still alive. wow.
I was fully ready and expecting to be killed last night. i wonder why it didn't happen. Why didn't it happen, poison?
Because your Scum.
Tell Tony I said Hi!
you too think he is scum/?? join my cult and nuke tsp

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:22 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:21 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:14 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:12 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:54 am K we're gonna win this game
scum declares a game win. why are we not nuking tsp?
i already won you can't
Wherever you think I claimed mafia, it’s no different then this post of yours here.
nah you town

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:28 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:26 am im just sober enough taht tony the dorky can hurt my feelings
You hurt my feelings when you decided to choose me to fake tunnel.
stop being towny and tell me if nannok is a good guy here or not

Here's a compilation of every interaction Poison made with the Enclave members.

100 - Poison made this many posts in the thread
30 - There are this many posts above that involve interactions/mentions with a confirmed Enclave
19 - The number of posts above that involve ChopChop
11 - The number of posts above that involve Jack
1 - The number of posts above that involve Grogu
0 - The number of posts above that involve Omega/Made

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:17 am who is the top scum read in the thread. like give me 3 names.

Poison asked for 3 names in this post, and received two responses.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:18 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:17 am who is the top scum read in the thread. like give me 3 names.
made is basically copped (I think)
chop claimed mafia and is alive out of the good will of martin's heart
idk who's third. Probably kyle.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:19 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:17 am who is the top scum read in the thread. like give me 3 names.
Me?

Mane
Tony
Alison

If I can’t choose Slaver then either Sloon or Jack.

ChopChop and TSP each offered a list of three names. None of those lists contained KZA. Also of note is that by the end of Day 3, JJJ was dead, so Enclave was the only remaining faction that Poison needed dead as Sheriff Marion, meaning she should have suspected that KZA was Enclave (or possibly VC as a common enemy, but the former makes more sense).

This is the only thing Poison had to say about KZA on Day 3.

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:05 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:04 am night 3 results : KZA didn't use any power.
KZA cares about the planet.
I'm not sure anymore. I can't breathe or think.

And it was actually a misstatement, and something that came from another game (G-Man's game). As a townie, killing KZA here makes no sense.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:58 am Okay, Now that I finally read the opening post properly, a lot of posts are making sense to me now.

so we have 3 classical town dead and one vault city dead. okay. I will start with ISOing the deceased Vault City then.

Mild grievance here, but Poison voiced an interest in finding the other VC, as well as previously voicing an interest in killing JJJ. I haven't seen any vocalization about hunting Enclave yet.

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:34 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess
I believe this.

Do we have post caps this game?

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:40 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess
Yeah think?

Hey um, greens the mafia in this game.
You green?
Wasn't green JJJ? Dude's an enemy .

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:09 pm I say we nuke the JJJ player.

I'd vote Poison/Syn/Seanzie rn just for this series of posts. Poison accepted Grogu's greenclaim before proceeding to proclaim a desire to nuke JJJ, with no attempt to figure out if Grogu is that role.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:16 pm marmot are you around to do isos? you said you planned to do them

Some personal stuff came up last night, but I'm around this morning.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:25 pm the thing is if I clear marmot it's mostly for what would in that world be a failed attempt to counterclaim me and a successful accidental counterclaim of a wolf and I kinda don't want to give anyone passes for mechanical snafus given how the wolf team has behaved thusfar

huh?
I don’t know how to un-“huh?” this for you

I wasn't counterclaiming anybody. I was holding out for you to claim because I'd copped you and wanted to verify. As for Grogu, it's not my fault people incorrectly assigned roles to him.

Also, you sort of figured out my role a while ago and asked me so many questions about it, I had to steer you away to redirect attention.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:25 pm the thing is if I clear marmot it's mostly for what would in that world be a failed attempt to counterclaim me and a successful accidental counterclaim of a wolf and I kinda don't want to give anyone passes for mechanical snafus given how the wolf team has behaved thusfar

huh?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:13 pm The problem with interactive ISOs here is there’s just not a lot to do

If you don't know who you're voting for, then interactie analyses should provided something at least.

That's great that you feel that way I guess, but I hard disagree

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:52 am I'm like 99% certain that trying to publicly solve the game at this point is antitown tho

Why don't you propose a pro town strategy then

If the above is accurate, there's two kills that aren't accounted for.

- Frank Horrigan vig
- Slaver vig

Alison claimed to use her vig, but I don't recall if she claimed to use it on anyone specifically. I also think these two lack of explanations is incriminating against seanzie, as his info-claim is that he vig killed KZA (or rather Poison did). I don't know what Poison's mindset was, but I will admit that I didn't really trust KZA Day 3 either, because I copped him the same night.

Here, I will attempt to account for all non-dayyeet kills that happened this game. Are these accurate with everyone's memory of what's happened?

Day 1

c4e5g3d5 - Slaver day-vig
DrWilgy - Vault City standard nightkill
Esooa - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 2

staypositivefriend - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 3

Sloonei - Enclave standard nightkill
KZA - Sheriff Marion conditional vig

Day 4

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 5

Urist claimed to protect Epignosis from Enclave nightkill

Day 6

Epignosis - Frank Horrigan janitored nightkill

Day 7

reywaS / Kylemii - Enclave standard nightkill
Grogu - Joshua vig

Day 8

Spacedaisy / sprityo - Enclave standard nightkill

Day 9

MartinGG99 - Enclave standard nightkill

Fixing because I screwed up spf's role.

Living Players

Marmot - AHS-9 of the Hubologists
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
TonyStarkPrime - Marge LeBarge of Redding
Urist - Vice President Carlson of the NCR

Dead Players

BoKnows - Lenny of the Wastelanders
c4e5g3d5- Myron of the Wastelanders
DrWilgy - Smiley of the Wastelanders
Long Con - Marcus of the Wastelanders
Sloonei - Dogmeat of the Wastelanders

KZA - President Tandi of the NCR
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Saltbeef Bob of the NCR

Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of the Brotherhood of Steel
Epignosis - ??? - Matt of the Brotherhood of Steel

Dom - Aunt Morlis of Arroyo
reywaS / Kylemii - The Chosen One of Arroyo

MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Rej - Big Jesus Mordino of New Reno

staypositivefriend - Vikki Goldman of the Hubologists

falcon45ca - Jagged Jimmy J

Alison - Metzger the Slaver

Esooa - Senior Councilman McClure of Vault City
MacDougall - Dr. Troy of Vault City

ChopChop - Vice President Daniel Bird of the Enclave
DaughterOfOmega / Made - President Dick Richardson of the Enclave
Grogu - Frank Horrigan of the Enclave
Jackofhearts2005 - Dr. Schreber of the Enclave.

I believe this is an accurat representation of players' claimed roles. Can I get a confirmation?

Living Players

Marmot - AHS-9 of the Hubologists
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
TonyStarkPrime - Marge LeBarge of Redding
Urist - Vice President Carlson of the NCR

Dead Players

BoKnows - Lenny of the Wastelanders
c4e5g3d5- Myron of the Wastelanders
DrWilgy - Smiley of the Wastelanders
Long Con - Marcus of the Wastelanders
Sloonei - Dogmeat of the Wastelanders

KZA - President Tandi of the NCR
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Saltbeef Bob of the NCR

Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of the Brotherhood of Steel
Epignosis - ??? - Matt of the Brotherhood of Steel

Dom - Aunt Morlis of Arroyo
reywaS / Kylemii - The Chosen One of Arroyo

MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Rej - Big Jesus Mordino of New Reno

staypositivefriend -
falcon45ca - Jagged Jimmy J

Alison - Metzger the Slaver

Esooa - Senior Councilman McClure of Vault City
MacDougall - Dr. Troy of Vault City

ChopChop - Vice President Daniel Bird of the Enclave
DaughterOfOmega / Made - President Dick Richardson of the Enclave
Grogu - Frank Horrigan of the Enclave
Jackofhearts2005 - Dr. Schreber of the Enclave.

Why wait til F3?

If the day ended at this very moment, I'd vote for Urist due to his lack of impactful contributions. But of course the day does not end today.

I actually do wanna do isos, but not this very moment.

I plan on doing them tomorrow night or Monday morning. I specifically want to do some interaction analyses now that we have 4 dead mafia.

I work some weekends now, but I'll be around for the second half of Day 10.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:16 pm I assume that if the game were to end in 2 hours the game would have ended 42 hours ago

That's what I thought too, but we could technically play the game out differently for certain players to acheive their wincon in the case that Jack is the last Enclave.

Also, why am I still alive?

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:51 am I’m the last wolf so don’t bother searching my post history kthx.

Oh never mind, this game is locked up.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:42 pm If there's one more wolf it's likely in TSP/Marmot.

Kinda want to lean Marmot, it seems odd to me that Jack kept TSP at his lower reads before and after the dramatic LC read change, and that Chop has been "tunneling" him all the time. Feels a bit more far-fetched to say enclave TSP and Chop headbutted all game but only to have other enclave members take a more or less solid stance on the issue of who gets chopped there.

But its just as odd that Grogu and Marmot collided somewhat with their claims but I dunno if that is more likely to happen if Grogu was not paying much attention to the game or planning in the Enclave btsc.

When did we collide with our claims?

Hi I'm back

Traveling home now. I'll be around for the second half of the day phase.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

If someone can figure out why I'd have a multiple on TSP N5, I'll move my vote

So the only two times in the thread someone asked about inventions both came from scum players?

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

No, I decided to hold off and let a bunch of people die first

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