The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:28 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:11 pm Jesus I just came into townreading dyachei last night

I am an embarrassment.
Lol, my lasts posts were well in honour regarding Dya lol

Gg Creature, you were great. Especially in the end that's been very crucial
Thank you for playing that last day with me. I would've probably gone crazy without you around to give me the confidence.

Thank you for defending me creature. It helped keep in the game.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:28 pm Honestly pretending not to know Dya and Sabie was lovers was kind of hard.
But it messed us up so much because we could no longer push Sabie or kill Sabie.

Yeah the way dya reacted when I told them I thought you were mafia pretty much gave it away but I couldn't say anything without getting myself killed.

I won both contests and ended up with mafia both times in chat haha oh well. Good game all!

Lover*

I was pretty sure dya was mafia but because we were lowered I couldn't say anything.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:09 pm
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@sabie12
@TonyStarkPrime

Sorry about that I was torn between you and tsp and instantly regretted my choice. I was like ugh should've went with tsp!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:41 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:33 pm Also wouldn't surprise me if one wolf was offwagon
Please let it be LP

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That is my favorite meme. I use it all the time

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:31 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:30 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:02 pm i think the paranoia sabie's been having in the btsc is pretty natural? And the way she's treated now outed wolves. I'd be shocked if sabie is a wolf
This is really concerning me.
Or not?

Is the sabie Alexa fight a good look on Sabie?

I think alexa's plan was to convince me to shoot paopan and then try to get me mischopped for shooting town. I expressed a distrust of alexa and didn't want to go through with that. Now my skepticism has proven to be valid.

Yeah part of what made me think c4 was a hit was because he shot Bo who voted for both marmot and dizzy.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:13 pm Still wishing we can just hit wolf today so I can better study for the next week which will have like three exams.

I feel this. I am trying to do things irl as well and so tired. Hope your exams go well!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:50 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:43 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:23 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:21 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:17 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:16 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:01 pm

Linearpoint, Creature, Ilario, Alexa

This is my solve.

React
so LP would have to be lying about giving alexa vest and alexa would have to lie about it popping while ilario harrasses alexa all game . idk
ilario 100% would do exactly that with alexa otherwise it would be obvious they are teammates because ilario as town always does that to mafia alexa
You're theory is all kinds of wack.
It'd have to be that Alexa was Mafia Bulletproof and ilario coach Neeko to fake claim giving a vest to Alexa.
And why does Creature then show up in the solve? It just feels randomly tacked on.
How are you even still alive when you scumslipped d1 and both players who caught you were night killed?
sorry to inconvenience you mac especially if it got posted further down where I haven't read yet, but could you post the slip from LP and who caught it? (no need to respond if you already did - I'll catch up)
He thinks neeko had made a false slip with not knowing what soup kill did because she missed that part of the OP or it was edited later.
Nutella said that she also thinks she didn't see soup initially so pretty sure it was edited after Neeko read it.
Neeko did read the thread as soon as it was posted since she was on, so it's probable that's what happened.

Hmmmm Alexa did end up being mafia bulletproof. The more I read LPs ISO the more I feel like it could be them. As sloonei said though I'm not sure about who the remaining teammate would be. [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:34 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:10 am Also I've realized that falcon is 100% confirmed town.
What made you lock that read in?

I'd like more dialogue w/ you about the specifics of my wagon breakdown...in particular, who of the 4 from Guillos wagon is Maf? What's your take on my take away from that NF?
You targeted Master Radishes Night 1. If non-town targeted him Night 1, he would have received a second day vig shot.

I have not looked at any wagons or read any of your analysis on them. I'm currently still in the middle of ISOing Dizzy, but I can take a moment to look at something else. What does NF mean?

I had been unsure because the claim on the Phil and Gloria shot seemed weirdly delayed but yeah this is a good point that MR would have received a second shot. Only way that wouldn't have happened is if falcon didn't ever actually check MR and just said they were town. I thought about falcon and it seemed like it wouldn't have made sense to fake a red on tsp so early in the day when they could have potentially tried for a town mischop.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:23 am jpic has seemed fine to me mostly and he's usually an ez read

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:00 am I don't think that's how Creature treats teammates. It's too uncharitable.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:54 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:50 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?
sell me
idk

Thought they seemed wolfy and Mac is voting them

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?
sell me
idk

Thought they seemed wolfy and Mac is voting them
what do you find wolfy about them
Very unimpressive for Marmot standards
These are posts
yes probably town

I apologize I'm phone posting so this is not all the examples but macyo, at least to the point I read, was townreading jpic and creature quite a bit and defending them. Then he voted to supposedly save jpic from being in the poll. This seems a little different than the dynamic with LP and dizzy but then later on mac and creature had that interaction before eod where everyone was suspecting mac.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:05 pm Current top 10:

112 (7)
c4e5g3d5 (7)
DrWilgy (11)
hollowkatt (8)
LinearPoint (7)
Paopan (7)
Phil and Gloria (7)
sabie12 (11)
sig (11)
TonyStarkPrime (9)
Probably only not a fan of lynching c4e5g3d5, hollowkatt, LinearPoint and Phil&Gloria
what exactly is the issue with flipping linearpoint's ass?

There were quite a few interactions with macyo and LP and this post came very soon before that bus gif of mac bussing teammates.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:31 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:30 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 pm Rolecop is just not a Town role people. Alexa basically claiming Mafia.
i never claimed rolecop and why TF would i out like that?
not w/w

Looking through Phil and Gloria iso which is a lot but this interaction would be funny in fact all 3 were mafia

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:51 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:47 am
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:38 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:34 am Anyway, I'm going to start to look at Marmot connections, cause I don't think anyone did that yet
Tbh several people have done that but it's not like I'd expect you to dig through game this size. The main thing that I've arrived at as a result of the Marmot flip is believing that there are 2 triumvirates that maybe contain a wolf in them. That being the people voting for Scotty (a confirmed town), and the people who were voting Paopan with the latter predicated on Paopan being town themselves. Given Paopan isn't flipped I am preferring to dig into the Scotty voters whomst are you, Creature and Master Radishes. Creature has been handling me in good faith and hasn't really pinged me while you and Radishes have not only had shit reads on me you've had shit reads on me, you've also both been lacking in general. Though to Radishes credit I can see the wheels turning whereas with you, right now, you're resorting to some weird defeated general butthurt ate thing that I don't vibe with at all.
I actually haven't even made my mind up about you. I've felt that you haven't really landed anything coupled with Alison's concerns from earlier. Maybe you have landed things now on me/MR. Which I don't think is good. Admittedly I haven't payed too much attention to MR. But like ok.

Do you think there was no mafia who voted Marmot when he died?
Do you think it's meaningful where people voted, and how?
I think there is a chance mafia was voting Marmot but it's not as big of a chance as one of the mafia voting town Scotty who looked like a viable mischop counterwagon to Marmot.

Are you seriously asking me if I think where people vote and how is meaningful? Like what is the implication here? Of course I fucking do. And so do you because you were about to go searching for my reasoning for voting Marmot? What is this question?

So not sure if anyone ever looked back at this when I brought it up before, but I thought it might be worth noting that this is how mac and dizzy interacted as teammates. On the surface it doesn't seem like teammate interaction but now we know this was all obviously fabricated.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:06 am Did alexa outline what's different between Sloon's town v. wolf game?

Yeah she did she brought him up first to ask what I thought of him and then tried to compare games saying he is more talkative as wolf. She expressed not having a strong read on him from not playing much with him.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:09 pm [VOTE: belzy] aubergine

Let’s let this idea marinate for a little while.
But if you're theory is Alexa and Belzy bussed Mac with a vig shot to confirm Alexa, Belza, and Paopan as Town.
Why would Falcon bussing TSp with a fake cop check and confirming their scumbuddie Creature not also be possible?
Those are basically the same paranoid theory crafting, except Belzy and Alexa had no reason to shoot Mac just so Sabie would think they are Town.

I see no reason why Alexa and belzy couldn't have done that. I think at the very least alexa's plan was to convince me to shoot town paopan and then fake scum read me off it. She wasn't planning on getting poisoned so I think what she said in the chat and her reads at that time were intentional. She brought up mac first but I had just posted something saying I suspected mac so she knew I did prior to going into the chat. I also had just posted something about being suspicious of her. So I think her bringing up mac was to try to gain my trust. Alexa's claim was that porscha was a toxic mason and porscha seemed "mad" I guess. Idk it seems odd to me that belzy would be so fine with being "outed" and super buddy with alexa after that.

Now that we know alexa is mafia I'm looking back at the vig chat. She asked me what I thought of sloonei and kinda shaded him but then said it seemed like his game here is different than when he was wolf. She also made a comment about whether falcon is real if he would be checking mac and then falcon claimed a kill on mac. She was also pretty sure creature was town. I don't know how much can be read into all that but those were the notable take aways from that chat.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:23 pm Did ilario claim if he commuted that night?

He said he thought he was the factional kill that night

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:44 pm Today:
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:28 pm It might not have been a vest, but it doesn't make sense that Alexa not knowing Neeko's role to claim it was anything other than what it was.
Earlier:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:35 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:33 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:28 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:25 pm As Neeko thinks about it more Alexa getting shot and having a vest popped actually kind of makes sense.
Neeko didn't think vests informed someone they got shot though, but since they do Alexa might be cleared if it wasn't a Vigilante shot.
sabie just claimed her vigilante shot was used on c4 ftr.
Then yeah Alexa had to have been shot by Mafia then.
I think I was the factional NK if it wasn’t c4
No, Neeko knows Alexa had a bulletproof vest so if Alexa got shot by not-Mafia then there's an unclaimed shot somewhere since she said her vest popped.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:41 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:39 pm Like sure she could have been vested but my point is until I see a town role die that can gives vests there is nothing to verify that claim
OK Neeko thinks she can word this vague enough to not get souped.
Neeko gave Alexa a vest night 1. Neeko didn't realize until now that it gave feedback to the wearer when popped.
So yeah it's pretty much confirmed Alexa got shot last night.

Actually this post here shows that ilario believed he was the night kill target because now that we've seen his role we know he had a commuter ability. Since we now know mafia did not target Alexa they probably targeted him after he killed dizzy.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:26 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine
A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.
how do you arrive at that conclusion?
OK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.

These posts in the beginning are what made me think maybe LP is the actual mafia role cop and tried to distance from alexa.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:40 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm @LinearPoint please explain to me why nook gives mafia a rolecop + a soup kill? and why i as mafia would out that information right away if i'm literally their role cop? that makes no sense and the role makes way more sense as town (even if i'm not claiming that specific role i really don't get your logic)
Mafia Rolecop is just good role? Neeko would pick Mafia Rolecop over other roles.
Not sure what else you want?

So this interaction is a thing.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:36 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:28 pm My theory was that belzy and porscha are something akin to tragic lovers. Toxic masons sounds like it could be that. One is town one is mafia. Porschas reaction to alexa outing felt fake to me. Like alexa had no reason to out them even if she was town because they were not at risk of being voted. Belzy was super protective if alexa even after that and super adamant about paopan. I wanted to believe paopan was town but he wasn't really helping anyone figure that out at all.
Some of these roles appear to be from past games. At least Alexa was a role that came from Witcher mafia

Have we had anything last year akin to what you have described wrt toxic masons?

I'm not sure it was just a guess trying to figure out what's going on because belzy and alexa seemed so buddied both in the chat and then teaming up against me in the thread as well. Unless belzy just blindly followed alexa despite her supposedly outing them.

My theory was that belzy and porscha are something akin to tragic lovers. Toxic masons sounds like it could be that. One is town one is mafia. Porschas reaction to alexa outing felt fake to me. Like alexa had no reason to out them even if she was town because they were not at risk of being voted. Belzy was super protective if alexa even after that and super adamant about paopan. I wanted to believe paopan was town but he wasn't really helping anyone figure that out at all.

Sloonei... if you're mafia then you have fabricated a lovely story and great job for that.

If you're town then I implore you to think about things in a different way. Think about what's really happening here. There's more to the story than what you think. I'm not out here trying to get people souped and I'm not trying to get souped. I'm not mafia and I hope you can figure that out.

I do have to go make dinner and watch Boba fett now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:40 pm My other thought was that sloonei was alexas teammate but I wasn't sure. This thing he just came up with makes me feel a little more in that direction.
What has made you feel this way? Prior to right now.

When alexa and belzy were yelling at me. You were questioning me as to why I wouldn't trust them when they were mech cleared town which they obviosuly arent now. And the way alexa was talking about you in the vig chat.

My other thought was that sloonei was alexas teammate but I wasn't sure. This thing he just came up with makes me feel a little more in that direction.

It's tough because no one was in that chat to see how belzy and alexa were pushy to me and then they came here and yelled at me. I did not trust them alexa seemed to be wanting more info on my role. Alexa and belzy tried to push me to shoot paopan. Im the one who said hey maybe we should talk it over before making an official decision.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:24 pm LinearPoint and sabie’s claims both need serious re-examination in light of alexa’s flip.

Also let me take this time to say that ilario played brilliantly.

I'm not sure how alexas flip looks bad on me. I was the one saying I didn't trust her and she and belzy started yelling at me and you even doubted why I wouldn't trust them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:16 pm [VOTE: Linear Point] aubergine

falcon, creature, belzy, porscha confirmed?

I can't recall the exact nature of who's confirmed and who's not and why...is this right?

I don't consider belzy and porscha officially confirmed if alexa was BSing about having a role cop check on them.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:06 pm sabie, did you vig DrWilgy?

Nope I didn't shoot anyone.

The reason being that LP was very focused on the mafia role cop thing in the beginning. Dizzys role cop role does not offer any info day 1 but alexa made a big deal of knowing nutellas role. Also alexa talked a lot about 3p in the vig chat before the mac kill and then LP had the info about ilario's role. Belzy and alexa were super buddying each other and had that whole weird interaction with me when I said I didn't trust them. They tried to push me to kill paopan who ended up being town.

Okay so I've been thinking and I have a theory that might be crazy but I think Belzy and Porscha could be tragic lovers meaning one is town one is mafia but they are connected and have btsc. And then I think LP might be an actual mafia role cop.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:12 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:09 pm Now Paopan 6
Creature 4

I really don't know what the wagon changes imply
Paopan was at 3 since Alexa died.
Creature voting Paopan for self defense makes sense.
You also switched to it which is town.
Was Sabie the only one not on it before outside of those 2?
It doesn't look like a scum driven transition.

You mean the creature wagon? I've thought both paopan and creature could be mafia. I wish I had more time to be here and research further into it. I've expressed my pao suspicion. I would have been willing to hear paos thoughts on things but he chose to post cryptically and assume we all should know what he's talking about so that's like not helping figure him out at all.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:10 pm Is there anyone who strongly feels Pao is town? Anyone at all?
I don't feel strongly either way.

I don't know how to feel here. He posts like he doesn't read the thread and is just saying we should all know he is town. Weird that paopan is acting like alexa flipped mafia and ilario acted like alexa flipped town but we don't have confirmation of either.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:13 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:12 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:07 am If you end up flipping town i swear to god...
I mean... the signs were there. If you are town and voted me. This is really on you.
"9 more hours to deduce who are the remaining 2 wolves"

How am I meant to interpret this?

2 remaining wolve after who? Pao?

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:09 am 2 more mooofias.

Creature
JPIC/Sabie/LP/Wigly/Falcon

Didn't you say you were "on falcon" last night? Does that mean protected him or? If so why do you put falcon in as potential mafia now? Are you saying it's definitely creature and then one of those other 5 names? We still don't know for sure that alexa is mafia unless you're referring to yourself since you're being voted.

Well alexa still hasn't flipped yet so we don't have that to go off of. I see that sloonei suggested he thinks she will flip mafia. If she did I'm not sure how I'd be seen as teammates with her but creature I guess I could see. I think the fact that alexa outed town roles when they were not being pushed didn't make sense as it sets people up for soup but she kept saying she was omitting things in the hopes it would save her from soup.

The thing with paopan is I can't tell if he even believes anything he's saying. Like the way he posts it looks like he's not even reading the thread or knows what's going on. Is that intentional or like legit doesn't care to read it?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:25 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:21 pm Mac has so far been the only mafia flipped that has pushed Wilgy.
But most of Wilgy's wagonis still alive: sabie12, dyachei, falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, Creature, alexa
Mac seems like someone distancing.
I think someone mentioned before that Mac has bussed a lot as a wolf. could be wrong

Was it mac that ppsted that gif of the monster bus bussing teammates which I guess at this point isn't just a joke but what actually happened.

I have been busy with work/D and D. I am back for a bit.

I am different in smaller chats because they're smaller and easier for me to process than larger chats. I believe I even expressed that

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

How*

I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

Ooo I'm like a two faced ex girlfriend now. Or maybe I'm like voldemort on the back of someone's head.

I'm hoping someone puts all the pieces together and comes to the right conclusion on their own as to what's really going on here.

I didn't shade anyone I in fact defended alexa and belzy. After seeing macs flip I felt that looked better for them.

Wow a broken promise. I did not make a promise to do anything. Again it's very hard to defend myself in a conversation that no one else can see and it is against the rules to quote btsc. What reason would I possibly have as mafia here to do that? I would have just shot someone without much thought or convinced you to shoot elsewhere. Again I'm not mad...just disappointed.

People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

In response to LPs huge post alexa talked about the 3p thing last night in the vig chat prior to the MR flip and knowing she was posioned. How did you come up with the possible roles they had?

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