The Syndicate

Hammer time @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:33 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:24 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:42 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:30 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:32 pm @Gavial ^
Directly appealing to Gav's sus of me? Shady shady, not even slim
What happened to solve Esooa today and don’t vote to yeet anyone else?
I've already stated that the lack of CW on Esooa has me wondering if it's the right move.

I'm still fine with Esooa, I'm trying to see if there's any traction on a CW

There are almost certainly only two wolves left. If Esooa is one of them, she's as good as gone. Her lone teammate would probably not want to stick their neck out to save her right now.

I feel like I remember earlier interactions in hk's iso that painted samu favorably as well. And samu has been met with erroneous suspicion every time I've ever seen him be town, so my impulse is usually to defend him.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:06 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:49 pm Has anyone else looked at hollowkatt's ISO?
I looked through it yeah
How can samu be mafia? Why are Esooa and Long Con not good suspects?
For the things you pointed at for LC, it's possible that it was actually hk telling his partner (Samu) in-thread to go after someone other than LC. The interaction with Samu is definitely weird and I think it implicates one of LC or Samu. I think you're just wrong on which one.

Why do that in the thread and not in the team chat?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:15 pm TOWNCORE
Me
Sean
Sloon
LC

Please don’t yeet within this I assure you all 4 of us are Town!
My method doesn’t fail!

You: Yes, absolutely. Hollowkatt wanted your head.
Seanzie: Yes, absolutely. Hollowkatt wanted his head and didn't look like he knew how to talk to him.
Me: Top bloke, good egg. Good call.
LC: What? Huh? WHat?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:49 pm Has anyone else looked at hollowkatt's ISO?
I looked through it yeah

How can samu be mafia? Why are Esooa and Long Con not good suspects?

Has anyone else looked at hollowkatt's ISO?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:36 pm I'm not invested enough in this game
this seems to be the theme this game tbh

And yet it seems to be on the right path.

I'm not invested enough in this game to argue with that. I've offered what analysis I have to give.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:21 pm Sloonei did you see what I wrote about your wall post?

yes

Caveat being that I have never seen a mafia hollowkatt before.

I did a quick scan of everyone's ISOs for Hollowkatt mentions/interactions. Urist is the only one who I felt any different about than I did when ISOing hollowkatt. Urist defends HK a little more than I would like to see. But ultimately, I still feel llike hollowkatt pushed Urist harder in the beginning of the game than we are likely to see from teammates. I would move Urist below Falcon on my previous list, I guess. But I would still go Esooa -> Long Con -> TSP first.

I have still only really looked at events concerning hollowkatt, but I think his ISO paints a lot of the player list as town, and if that is indeed the case then this game should be very winnable for town. Just don't get kooky.

Hollowkatt’s ISO painted Gavial as town, and I’m pretty comfortable with that read.

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:48 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:13 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:25 pmI trust Sloon.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:25 pm [VOTE: urist] aubergine
Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.
Sloon has me as a town lean.

Of course we're not w/w, I'm town.

You're literally looking at the game trying to prove your beliefs, and totally ignoring the things that don't support your beliefs.

Guess what? Your read on Marmot sucked, your read on me sucks, and I'm pretty sure your read on Esooa sucks.

But whatever, you do you. Very frustrating to play with
How does my read on Esooa suck?
Well let's flip her and find out.
No.
Because your reads haven’t been good either.

This is not a good reason to dismiss someone’s read.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:32 pm @bestmafiaplayer, did you miss this post? https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p769527

It's a bad look for Urist with respect to HK, and not great for Sloonei if he chose not to include it in his wall.

That is a post by Urist. I have only ISO’d hollowkatt.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:31 pm Sloonei knows better than that. I'd hope at least, maybe he is playing against weak competition though. I have been retired for a long time I guess.

I did not make the post in question out of self-defense. I wanted to see what, if anything, Mr. StarkPrime would do with it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:29 pm but what are the odds that you're right

I have read less than a quarter of this game.

@Seanzie what are your thoughts on Long Con?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly
I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.
wolfy pedantry
I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.
what do you think the odds are that you're right

I’m just saying that if I’m mafia that’s a silly way to enter as a substitute.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:24 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:49 pm Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays
How serious is this post?
I haven't tried in so long
Okay. What is my alignment?
how the fuck would I know

I think if LC is mafia, you look decent

If LC is town, the flip would mean nothing

I was asking if you had a read on me at this very second. Your posture towards me is confusing.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:47 pm Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.
Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?
Hollowkatt’s ISO
In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?
hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.
Hmm, okay. I liked your HK ISO analysis, but the fact that you voted LC right after declaring Esooa your top suspect really pinged me. I do agree though that I'd like to see more from LC.

I feel like if Sloonei was a wolf repping into this game D2 and Esooa was town, then Sloonei would just push Esooa here and not bother with LC, so I think Sloonei/Esooa are not w/t. If Esooa flips wolf though, this LC vote I think is pretty questionable.

I would like to draw your attention to the second paragraph in my post.

I think Alison is town

I am assuming a mafia team of 3. That is the standard for a heist of this size.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:27 pm Damn y’all, if you must quote my wall can you at least hide it behind a spoiler? It’s bad enough that I posted it once.
My apologies.

You were the third person to do it, I don’t mean to yell at you specifically. I’m just self-conscious about being too loud

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:47 pm Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.
Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?
Hollowkatt’s ISO
In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.

Damn y’all, if you must quote my wall can you at least hide it behind a spoiler? It’s bad enough that I posted it once.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:56 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:49 pm Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays
How serious is this post?
I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:47 pm Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.
Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:49 pm Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:23 pm I think slooneis big post is agreeable enough. The biggest thing I would look at in it is that he may be giving doom too much credit. The interaction he points out is good, but he afterwards has more confidence than I would expect just from that, saying, "DaughterOfOmega and Gavial both look hella town in this ISO."

seanzie, urist, and bk are town though

outside of that I'm shrug

I thought the way hollowkatt interacted with DaughtetOfOmega looked like a wolf who know they were talking to a civilian who was off the mark. There’s a bit of righteousness in the way HK talks to DoOm, and it that gives me the sense that HK was hoping the exchange could be used as ammunition for a vote if needed down the line.

I have not looked at DaughterOfOmega (or anyone else) in isolation yet.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly
I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.
wolfy pedantry

I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:50 pm I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly

I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:33 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:30 pm where's your head at?
idk what to do about sloonei
I recommend addressing your concerns directly.
you just showed up

and?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:33 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:30 pm where's your head at?
idk what to do about sloonei

I recommend addressing your concerns directly.

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for emphasis.

Next order of business will be to ISO those individual players, but that's not happening right now.

I didn't realize I was subbing into a game with a mafia member already in the bag. Sweet. I'll just do things this way then:

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Two off-topic posts in an exchange with falcon to start the game. I'm inclined to say it means nothing.

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Awkward initial interaction with esooa. HK has a direct question for Esooa RE: a thing she said, but has to soften with an empty comment about her avatar first. Two totally separate thoughts crammed up against each other.

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hollowkatt asked for a broken image?

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hollowkatt was gonna call Gavial town. For observing the possibility of scum theater. Idk. This might mean something. It might mean nothing.
I am Alison, so hooray I don't need to read that half of the interaction. Hollowkatt is publicly disagreed with her, so there's that to be mindful of.

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hollowkatt nitpicks some non-game chatter from Alison instead of diving right into the samu read. HK's read eventually comes out as "I think samu might be town", which is not the most resounding confidence you'll ever see. Is that because hollowkatt is uncomfortable talking about a teammate, or are is it just stilted because hk is coming from an informed position in general? I'll be keeping an eye on samu in here, I guess.

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Townie points for Urist. This is harsher shade than I would expect a teammate to toss around so early in the game.

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I feel I shuold note here that I have read nothing and am not looking at these posts in the larger context of the thread. But looking at this post in a vacuum: seanzie is town, falcon is mafia. Seanzie's response to a general gripe from hollowkatt looks very sincere, like he's trying to correct what he sees as a misconception. The line about falcon feels tacked on and timid.

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Light townie points for Gavial here. There's nothing here that can't possibly be a teammate interaction, but I feel his tone is genuinely inquisitive, and hk's response is wordy enough to look like a "real" answer, as opposed to a staged and obligatory response to a teammate.

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Generic "why" about a gavial scum read from Bo. Okay.

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This post does not need to exist. It is a barely-relevant observation made by falcon. Hollowkatt literally just rewords the comment. Why on earth does this exist?

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hollowkatt is engaging heavily with the gavial suspicion. Could be a good sign for Gavial. There's an outside chance this is cooperative theater with Bo, but I don't think so. I think it looks like a mafiakatt trying to get a civilian Bo to do the legwork on a civilian chop.

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I would have voted for hollowkatt based off of this post. If any post ever gave off the vibes of talking at one's feet and shrugging one's shoulders, it's this one. Bo is town off of this, and I'll take that to the bank. hollowkatt appears to have no idea how to respond to this case naturally.
I am less sure what it says about Gavial now. The awkwardness of the response could be indicative of a Gavial/hollowkatt partnership, wherein HK regrets pushing so hard and getting an actual substantive case on their partner and now needs to find a way out of it. Or it could be that hollowkatt is trying to position themself in such a way that they can vote for Gavial if needed, but does not want to appear overly-eager in doing so. Gun to my head, I'm saying it's the latter.

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Okay Gavial town. Falcon TBD, still. I could see a world where this is a teammate goading another into voting for a vulnerable townie. But... as I type that sentence, I'm not sure that ever actually happens. Maybe falcon town too. I still don't know.

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I'm not sure I understand what's happening here, but Urist is still town.

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I am about ready to lock Gavial in as town now too.

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Silly banter with TSP. Noted.

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This can be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa.

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This does not feel like a teammate interaction with DaughterOfOmega. Hollowkatt's tone is very blunt, getting down to business and forcing a response out of DoOm. The way it's framed makes me think hollowkatt is hoping this can snowball into a suspicion.

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hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:12 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:20 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:11 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:20 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:12 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:08 pm The only powerwolfing Gavial is doing is effectively making me want to play less
What is Gavial doing? There have been a few posts of his that have irked me a bit, but you seem to be bothered to a pretty big degree and I don't understand why.
It's the annoying attitude, behind someone who is spam posting the thread with a read on me. I feel forced to interact with him, and then during the times he has brought me up it comes with some "I know better than you" tone. I just wish people wouldn't act so confident and annoying at the same time. I'm only talking about it because he's literally been 95% of the game recently
straight up: do you wolf read Gavial? if you do, why?
like ok, clearly he wolf reads you, and that seems to bother you, I guess? It sounds to me like the crux of the reason you wolf read him is because he's loud and he wolf reads you and he's confident in what he's posting, right? Or am I missing something else?
See this is where you are missing things. If I thought someone was mafia, I have no reason to be bothered with their behavior, I get to just vote them and ignore their posts.

The issue is I clearly don't know. I used to be very annoying and confident as a town player, and he reminds me a lot of that. These kind of players are usually doing these things as town, so I am forced to interact with a likely town member who wants to push me in the dumbest way possible.

I would have figured you were smart enough to realize this without asking if I think he is mafia.
going to ignore the snark at the end and just focus on your answer.
You town read Gavial then, is your answer. You're annoyed with him then b/c you think he's town and you think he's anti-town with the way he's making pushes/engaging with others/interacting with the thread. Would that be accurate?

It reads to me that you're offended that he wolf reads you, which is just like super weird to me. Instead of engaging with him and finding out why he's wolf reading you and seeing if you and him can work something out you're kinda snippy about him and vagueposting about how much fun you're not having.

am I wrong?

Okay yeah Doomtown.
Extended exchanges with DoOm and Gavial that I'm not gonna waste time on because they are both town.

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I'll call seanzie town too. This is a solid nitpick, and hollowkatt's response looks a bit uneasy.

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Falcon continues to be a big juicy Maybe.

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Does this post exist if Esooa and hollowkatt are partners? Idk. I'm gonna go ahead and remind myself that I jotted down a note that "this could be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa" a few posts ago, but then there was no follow-up to that, which makes me squint my eyes and/or furrow my brow.

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Marmot had (jokingly) self-voted a few minutes prior and HK responded as if they were obligated to vote for him in response. Then hollowkatt notices Esooa has self-voted and extends to her the good grace of asking for an explanation.

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Meh. This is stilted and not serious and there continues to be no reason Esooa cannot be hollowkatt's teammate.

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If we're following the rule that a member of the mafia team will always include at least one teammate in their lists, then I'm picking Esooa here. Marmot has already flipped. DaughterOfOmega and Gavial both look hella town in this ISO. Samu has looked vaguely-but-less-definitively town. Esooa has been iffy at best throughout.

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This could be another example of a mafioso trying to get a civilian do the the heavy lifting on justifying a suspicion. Or it could be a phony interaction with a teammate (falcon). I continue to DK.

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Yuck. I might just believe this post.

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These three posts in quick succession make me feel good about Bo. These are all relatively small moments, and I feel like the only way hollowkatt/bo are teammates is if they felt like they needed to interact more in the thread, so HK just decided to spam responses to Bo. I don't think that's what's happening. Particularly because it's not as if these two haven't interacted already. Bo's name hasn't been as present as others, but I remember it coming up a bit fairly early on. And also, these interactions do not have a clear direction. I think when teammates interact, they tend to do so with purpose. These are all posts where HK is just sort of tapping Bo on the shoulder. The last one especially feels like a non-teammate response: If Teammate A asks why a player is the top wagon, I don't think Teammate B response with such a nothing, unserious response. I think hollowkatt would be more likely to give a more substantive response, or just not respond at all.

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If I haven't already said this, Seanzie is lock town. Esooa can still be mafia.

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Maybe this could finally be indicative of a town falcon. Hollowkatt appears to be genuinely opening the door to voting for Falcon if this seanzie thing falters.
I'll call Bo town for this

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Hm. Samu town, maybe. Do teammates disagree like this about wagons so close to the deadline? I don't think so. And this is the first time I've seen Long Con get any sort of mention in HK's ISO. So there's that.

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Yeah Samu town. LC maybe mafia.

Nothing that happens after this point changes my feelings about anyone.

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tl;dr - Esooa and Long Con potential suspects.
Falcon gets a lot of shrugs, but with a gun to my head I would lean town.

Seanzie, urist, samu, Bo, Gavial, DaughterOfOmega are all firm town reads from this. Maybe someone else that I'm for.

And that leaves TSP as the only player I haven't named yet!

Seanzie
Gavial
DaughterOfOmega
Urist
Samu
BoKnows
Falcon
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
Esooa

Hi, work was miserable and I’m not in a mafia playing mood. I’m fine, just need to do something more mindless than this for the evening.

I’ll get myself up to speed tomorrow.

I will happily accept an abridged history of Day 1, thanks.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:57 pm Also it annoys me a little that knowing he has been reading the game, his first and unique post is "why esooa", well i can understand the question cause that relation/interaction between hk and esooa in the eod is something that a scum will take on advantage to build a case against esooa if esooa is town.

Sorry for my english, im sleepy.

I have read nothing. I just subbed in and am currently at work.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:16 pm esooa is the obvious lynch candidate today.

Why?

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