The Syndicate

sig wrote:jerks I last so long to.

lasted* death didn't improve my writing skills.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

What did you not have before you have now to lynch me?

What players have I led lynches on?

Since you were able to wiggly out of like three lynches with civs dying on each lynch. This coupled with the fact Epi and Dom, both of whom I suspected had been on the opposite wagon of yours was enough to make me think you were mafia.

Also it has come to my attention Epi is still alive, and well known for being very good at being mafia/SK. Maybe we should lynch him? Since from where I see it Either JJJ or Epi has to be mafia. There would be no reason for two town powerhouses who haven't really done that much this game to both still be alive.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Also, earlier in the game Rico refused to answer me when I asked whether the mafia team can send actions as a group or if individuals must send their own actions period. That leaves the door open for group actions, which allows anyone alive to be either scum role.

sig wrote:Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left.

GTHJWA

So you think I'm bad or JJJ is bad?

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

Screwing up the game by not having been lynched and us not having lynched a baddie yet? How would you be screwing up the game?

You've never seen a case predicated on someone who appears when their name is brought up (I mentioned I'd like more scrutiny on you earlier) suddenly appears? BTSC partners alerting them to the pressure they're now facing? That's really just so absurd to you? You're also not even my top suspect. When insanified, I GTH'd you as bad. I don't know why you seem so 1)outraged and 2)defensive of some basic pressure on you.

sig wrote:Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Why are the curses the same every time if both insanifiers aren't alive?
You haven't voted in days, and you come in here pointing fingers-- make a case if you're so outraged. Don't just scream about it.

I think MM is a civ. I am a civ. I think Epi is a civ. You think we're bad because of G-Man's analysis? Why did you leave out BWT/Wilgy? Is he your teammate?

Purposely not voting would be screwing up the game in a fundamental sense and be extremely unfair to the other players and the host. So it would be screwing up, "pointing fingers" that is kinda how you play the game.

Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left. Also you provide no reasoning for MM/Epi being a civ, BWT/wilgy hasn't been up for a lynch twice and you throwing in the teammate thing makes little to no sense. I think I nailed the remaining mafia in my post, one of which is you and you're in panic mode. I also think you were hoping I didn't come back so you could get me lynched today. Which you're still attempting to do.


@JJJ I've been skimming over since I went afk, but mainly my reads are based around my previous thoughts, the voting records, and the last phase.

Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

Dom wrote:hey sig where you at?

Sorry for being gone, between my pc not working then traveling home I completely lost track of all my mafia games.

Now the good news is I'm actually done school and will be able to catch up today.

Dom wrote:what does slightly unlikely mean?

It's unlikely but just slightly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:So N1 Vomp died, we see nothing from him
N2 no death
N3 Golden being killed by Sleep and the SK

So one theory is that the SK was the target N2 and being targeted for Nightkilling activated his power
Mafia/SK missed the kill N2
Kill was blocked

N1 is tricky we have no data on who killed Vomp or his role, so he could in theory have been Moya killed by the SK, I find this to be unlikely.


A Person
Wilgy
INH

are all dead, there is no secret near Moya, however Mladic is one big secret. If we think there was shenanigans I'd bet it was caused by him. Here is the issue though we have no proof whatsoever unless one of these three roles flip again to know if there is a seemer like role. I do think we can gather that we're one mafia down, but who it is we have no clue.

sig, could you clarify why you believe it's unlikely Vompatti was Moya?

I forgot the civvie power that can potential kill and thought it was highly unlikely that Vomp was killed by the Serial killer night 1, who also was able to hit a mafia member. The odds seemed very small. However, if it was the civ role it would explain why the kill wasn't published and it would make sense for a civ to check him for his approval of killing highposters. However, it is still slightly unlikely.

sloonie! Are you the serial killer?

So N1 Vomp died, we see nothing from him
N2 no death
N3 Golden being killed by Sleep and the SK

So one theory is that the SK was the target N2 and being targeted for Nightkilling activated his power
Mafia/SK missed the kill N2
Kill was blocked

N1 is tricky we have no data on who killed Vomp or his role, so he could in theory have been Moya killed by the SK, I find this to be unlikely.


A Person
Wilgy
INH

are all dead, there is no secret near Moya, however Mladic is one big secret. If we think there was shenanigans I'd bet it was caused by him. Here is the issue though we have no proof whatsoever unless one of these three roles flip again to know if there is a seemer like role. I do think we can gather that we're one mafia down, but who it is we have no clue.

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:Also quick note before I go one of the top posters (JJJ, Sloonie, Golden, and MP) is most likely bad, I just have no clue which one it is. :P

Ok those who are not me, I would say that MP is least likely, sloonei is most likely. Jay in the middle.

Rico isn't originally from TS right?

Also quick note before I go one of the top posters (JJJ, Sloonie, Golden, and MP) is most likely bad, I just have no clue which one it is. :P

So I'll start with a few quick fire thoughts on Lorab.
I don't see her enthusiasm then lack of content early on is odd.
I don't think it was scummy for her to say she wouldn't have voted for INH, it didn't give her any civ credit what so ever, so I fail to see why a mafia Lorab would do this.
I dislike how much she focused on insaifiers

LoRab wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm like 5 pages behind. Trying to catch up. Just wanted to let y'all know that I'm still here.

Hi, LoRab!

Curious to hear what thoughts you have when you get caught up.

Hi! For now at least, I'm skipping those 5 pages. I don't have the time or energy to go back--so if anything happened I need to know about, someone please let me know!!

I don't have much to say. The day 0/1 conversation has been interesting, but I'm not sure I have any conclusions from it. At least not strong ones. I think i'm still wrapping my brain around the game.

I can connect with this, I didn't get many reads from the early conversation so it isn't scummy.

LoRab wrote:

A Person wrote:

Scotty wrote:Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

This may be the least civie friendly thinking I've read in mafia. Either you're a civ who is saying that vocal players who are actively discussing the game should be killed (which isn't good for the civ cause) and are telling the mafia to kill active civs. Or you're mafia and doing the same thing. Also, if you're mafia, that was a phenomenally ironic kill.

But, please, can you explain a possible civ justification for this post? Because it's not making sense to me from a civ perspective.

I agree with her here as well, it also is a good reason to justify her day 2 and 3 votes. Having said that voting A person twice in a row seems like an easy way out of dealing with the other wagons. So this post and her vote ends up being null.

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

Ima take that as forced vote.

And It was Icelandic--in response to an earlier joke with I can't remember who. I originally thought it was a response to Vomp's death, but Google Translate told me the language, so I checked back. Also, only 1 post. So, not likely insanified.

Who is the third?

I can also see the logic in this post from Lorab's end.

LoRab wrote:For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

Can you elaborate on your MP read?

final thoughts, like I said above she talks about the insaifiers and possible alignment a good amount which I dislike, since this allows her to post and seem involved and active, but not post real context that could cast suspicion on her.
Her vote for A Person looked okay at first, but I could also see the reasoning for her vote to be done if she was bad. It is an easy scapegoat/low hanging reason to vote for someone. At the same time what A person said was really odd and he hasn't defended his statement. Not even a "It was a joke guys lol" type post.


SO I'm really conflicted about Lorab, I don't find the INH thing mafiaish which Sloonie seemed to think was bad, but I don't like some of her context, and am completely torn on her Aperson vote.

@Lorab could you give me a few other reads? Like top 2 civs and baddies and reasoning for the reads.

The main issue I'm having with an A person vote is it could an easy scapegoat for mafia, but I think eventually we will need to resolve this issue and it might be better to lynch him earlier then wait. I need to think on that.

I would review MM, but he has like 100+ posts and I need to grab dinner so I will be back in a bit if the players around could share their views of Dom and Lorab's vote on A Person I'd appreciate it.

I'll be addressing Timmers two posts on me soon right now a few quick reads from what I've skimmed without doing ISOs.

A person is a slight scum read, since he isn't contributing much. I'm gut reading him as the SK though and not mafia.
Golden looks good, I don't think scum! Golden would have defended me when I was absent. (unless my tinfoil theory is right)
MP is a slight civ read, he seems to be seriously trying to help the civs, but scum MP is pretty good at seeming like that to. I'd say for him as well as the other high posters if none of them die and none lead us to get a mafia member we need to look at them closely. Now the dying part is a little tricky since we have a third party who can kill and maybe civs, so that strategy won't work as well here.
Timmer is a slight civ even though he is wrong about me
bwt I'm gut reading as bad
I notice I was suspicious of Scotty and I can't recall why so I'm going to ISO him
MM I disliked his votes, but his day 3 content seems better.


I plan to over the weekend ISO everyone right now I'll be ISOing a few key players.

Wow Duh Sig, Guess I should have read that and not just skimmed. This means the kill isn't active and the mafia team kills every other phase which seems wacky or the mafia was active N1 not N2. A person was active N1 and if the player needs to submit the kill it could be him. However I always cringe at these types of theories and targeting lurkers since it is always kind off a stab in the dark, especially with so many secrets.

Quick ISO of A person

A Person wrote:

Scotty wrote:Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

Maybe this is why I'm gut reading A person as SK?

I'm pretty sure I've played with him before, I want to say Star Wars but not 100% sure, and while AP was a low poster he was present and giving some amount of context. So we have three posts N1 then nothing until Day 3. I could vote here.


Dom

I had a very early ping of Dom due to these two posts.

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Actually MP, your post count has already jumped to an obscene place. I'm not sure I've seen it quite like this since you started Transistor with 57 posts before the second-highest poster made it to #8.

You over-eager cuz you bad, m8?

i got a cherry tree out back
wanna pick some more?

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Actually MP, your post count has already jumped to an obscene place. I'm not sure I've seen it quite like this since you started Transistor with 57 posts before the second-highest poster made it to #8.

You over-eager cuz you bad, m8?

i got a cherry tree out back
wanna pick some more?

It's a cherry pick if MP dominates the early post count this much in every game, and I don't think he does. Indeed other than Transistor I might say the other most applicable comparison is to the Scrimmage (I can't remember his precise post count comparatively; I just remember it being very high very early). It doesn't make him bad, but it's worth throwing some poop.

you're right. it's certainly a load of crap.

This was mostly a gut ping, but I also found it odd he was defending MP here.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)

I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?

Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing.

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.

How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.

Now I missed this before, but I find it interesting.

He dislikes this for some reason, I don't see why, but it's a gut read so I'll accept it. However, he was just defending MP then he turned and started suspecting him? This happened rather quickly. Dom also seemed to have dropped his suspicion of MP and JJJ very quickly which makes it seem disingenuous to me.

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:i think he's purposefully exposing how flawed poe is

MP stated earlier that he isn't using PoE anymore. So what makes you think he is still doing it?

i'm talking about epi

birdwithteeth11 wrote:MP, you never answered my question directed at you earlier.

and you never answered mine

jay-- i'll bite.
*votes wilgy*

wait, so here in my ISO of DOm I became very confused, unless I missed something he went from accusing 3J of cherrypicking to voting with him on Wilgy for no reason? I've also noted up to voting for Wilgy he never engaged him once so this was a really out there vote. I don't like this vote or the way he seems to be agreeing with 3J

I don't feel very good about Dom at all after my ISO, he doesn't have a large amount of content, but from what I've seen it isn't very good. This is still in part a gut read, but also a read based on his interactions with 3J, MP, and his vote for Wilgy. Altogether it makes very little sense.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

But...You Don't See the Case on Boomslang............................Your Words

That's my point.

CFD sig

No CFDs are evil

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig looks scummy as all fuck therefore sig is good.

Sadly, this is probably true. I cannot read this man.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

sig wrote:Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

Crown of shit

Yeah, this. I would be shocked if sig wasn't bad at this point.[/quote]

Golden wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, this. I would be shocked if sig wasn't bad at this point.

Except sig is always like this when good, so how do ever know with him?

I think you need to look past face value scumminess and look for motivations.

So, here's what I've got so far...

He was ok voting for boom, despite not really seeing the case, but not if it tied the votes.

Sig - it looks like you wanted your vote to be on one of the big wagons (even if you didn't agree with the case), but not to actually risk counting. Why did you not want to tie the votes? Why were you happy voting boomslang when you only left him a vote behind?

Anyone else - what's the baddie motivation for this from sig? Just to look like his vote mattered? But even a cursory iso would tell you how it actually went down...

I would say in general when I'm lynched as a civ it is more of my own fault and looking messy, at this point the main issue i've had his falling behind and then only being around near the end of the phase. So I wouldn't agree that, while this does fit with the meta if sig looks super scummy for dumb reasons he is a civ, idea it isn't the main reason I look scummy. While the people suspecting me are wrong, the main issue I at least see why they suspect me is because I've been more inactive and when I do come on and post it is at bad times. I believe given the opportunity to post more I'll elevate the suspicion agaisnt me. If not then we can fall back to the meta argument

tinfoil hat time! I'm on a mafia team with Golden and he is stopping me from getting lynched. Vote Sig

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Basically, Boom was not around to defend himself. Sig was. And sig chose to ignore any questions directed at him. That's why I currently lean more bad on sig than on Boom.

It isn't that I ignored the questions I did get around to answering them, it's just that I was trying to catch up and read three cases at the same time. So I was ignoring the questions until after the lynch. Also I want it to be clear I wouldn't have joined a CFD even if one was around since I will very very rarely join or help start a CFD.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Regarding sig at the end of Day 2:

I am not bothered by his initial decision to vote for Boomslang despite having been underwhelmed by the case. At the time of sig's arrival in the thread, there were about 20 minutes left in the phase and three wagons formed -- Boomslang, DrWilgy, and A Person. If I enter the thread under the same conditions and feel underwhelmed about all three wagons, there's a good chance I'd still pick one of them.

Note: it was sig's first appearance on Day 2. He had too little time to be able to catch up with the game, which means he had too little time to be able to provide any preferable alternative to those three names. To me, the meaning of his vote is reliant more upon the alignments of the other two (and we know Wilgy was town). The best argument then, in my opinion, to criticize sig's decision is to suggest that he was trying to save A Person -- something that hinges upon an unknown alignment, and something that is inherently challenged by his next move:

sig wrote:actully never mind on that Boom vote just yet, I just realized that would tie them.

In the end when he did vote Boomslang, it was because he preferred that vote over a Wilgy vote (Wilgy's wagon is the one that had taken off late) -- given Wilgy's flip, I don't think that's a problem.

I didn't want to tie it without looking into it more, after reading up on it and then MP's actions made me vote Boom. In hindsight MPs actions weren't that bad, but at that time my view was bias since he was grilling me. :P

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sigurd. Sigmurd Freud. Sig Newton.

Sigourney Weaver?

Who? I think I'm to young to know these fossils.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:sig's true identity is Zuul, Gatekeeper of Gozer.

But I do know this reference.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Again regarding sig:

I discussed here why I wasn't bothered by his conduct at the end of Day 2. I am inclined to temper my own mindset here though, because this rationale is better suited as "why something is not scummy" instead of "why something looks civilian", and the difference is important. I want reads, Sigurd. Sigmurd Freud. Sig Newton.

Reads will come soonish


linki: Thanks Golden only seven more semesters to go until i can start my plot of world domination.

Golden wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Linki: Why do you say he is always like this when good? Not sure what you mean here.

Sig has a knack for making himself look terribly scummy even when he isn't, I've seen him be lynched a fair few times now when civ for similar things.

That's not to say he MUST be good, just that I think more work is needed to figure out what is going on with him.

Yeah I seem to remember you leading those lynches a few time.

:P

SO CLASSES ARE FINALLLLY DONE!

I only have three finals and one paper, worth 10% of my grade to go. Therefore I'll be able to increase my activity a good amount over the weekend when my paper is finished and all I'll have to do is study.


So I did a quick skim I'll be searching my name and then try to do a few ISOs before I get back to editing my paper, the way I see it is we have votes for
A person
MM
Lorab

I need to look over the Lorab case,
I suspect MM for his timmer votes which I feel like he never backed up, but that doesn'y seem to be why he has votes.
A person I didn't want to lynch, but he is being very very lurkery, so I'm torn. The reason i'm torn is that I've been lurking this game, but when I'm around I try to produce some amount of content and I vote, this doesn't seem to be the case with A person. Now from my own experience it seems that if people are on a mafia team or have BTSC they're more likely to be active so I don't think A person is mafia, but there is always that chance that he is mafia and not very active.

it also has occurred to me that we have two killing groups, the mafia and the SK. I don't think from the night 1 kill we can tell who performed that action and since one player submits the kill for mafia it could be that the kill submitter was absent. Or we could have had an afk SK, which A person would fit into. However, there is no hard evidence the kill didn't happen, it could have easily been blocked or the player who was targeted could have been protected so I don't think that is avenue worth pursing at this time.

Sloonei wrote:

sig wrote:So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

You suspect Scotty, but also suspect MP for suspecting Scotty?

Yes I don't think they're on the same team, but I do suspect them both. So I'd be looking at two worlds in this scenario one where Scotty is bad the other would be MP.

In fact I'd think my views on CDFs as a civ is commonly known seeing how I spent five or so phases in Turf War fighting off getting lynched since I was agaisnt a CDF which resulted in a mafia member being lynched.

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig cannot even name one person he finds suspicious despite me asking him twice now. I find that incredibly suspicious.

sig is bad.

Are you going to give me time to post at all? I've been away since night 1 and missed the last phase, however I've named people I was suspicious of in the past and just did in my above post. The whole Wilgy lynch is based off of nothing at least there is kind off a case agaisnt Boom. Lynching someone since a person who expressed interest in them was silenced isn't a good reason.

linki: I don't like to do CDF and I don't trust you enough to follow a CDF you try to make.

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

What I'm talking about is simple? I can ISO people in this amount of time and do a quick skim sure, but it isn't like I'm going to have the time to build a proper case. Therefore at this stage it makes more sense for me to review the preexisting cases and if I feel one is very wrong vote against it. Besides I generally strongly dislike CFDs and I'd be trying to make one if I built a case at this point.

This is my fault I thought I had another 24 hours left in this phase, so I did goof here.

I have a few I'd look at but with less then 13 minutes until the poll closes there isn't a huge point in pursing them to much is there?

A quick skim, I find MM's votes to be eyebrow raising he goes from Timmer to Boom to Epi to Boom. This is odd, he also provides no reason for his Epi vote.

Also the Vomp kill was very odd? It makes very little sense why he was killed.

Okay thanks,

@MP basically I don't see any of the three cases I'm trying to see which is the least worst. I'm still looking over Wilgy's posts, but from what I see he votes for Epi which is eye brow raising and apparently Sloonie is silenced. However, I don't put to much stock in the silenced argument mainly since it is very easy to WIFOM that.

Scotty has gut pinged me as bad,

I'm also kind off tinfoiling MP and one of the four who he said he is tinfoiling to be bad.

Also why are the insanfied people spamming the thread? Seems kind off like a waste.

actully never mind on that Boom vote just yet, I just realized that would tie them.

hey here i am to save the day, or at least make a post and vote. :P


So I don't see a good case for Boomslang or Wilgy or A person. However, out of the three the Wilgy thing seemed to have come out of nowhere? His vote for Epi seems to be the only thing agaisnt him. For now I'm voting for Boom when I go back and read if anyone can tell me what exactly the case on Wilgy is that would be great.

I voted for INH, not because I see him as being that scummy, but rather with the secrets/roles in play I don't want Epi lycnhed

ill finish catching up/answering points this afternoon

timmer wrote:

sig wrote:
I don't quite see your point agaisnt me here? I thought something was odd so I pointed it out, I still find it odd that Dom jumped in over something like that.

These posts were just from me searching my name.=

This makes me feel something ping-y, but I'll put it to the group because maybe this is common and I'm just weird for NOT doing it.... but do you guys come into a thread on Day 1 and search your own name, to answer posts mentioning you? I've never done that, but I could understand someone doing it later in a game maybe, like it's Day 5 and I know I took increasing amounts of heat on Days 3 and 4, and want to quickly see if I'm under fire, again... but Day 1? Does this signal a baddie? Am I over-thinking this?

See... okay, this is the earliest I'll have ever broken down the timing of posts in a game, but this feels like Sig was told he's being eyed. Let me show it:

He had 2 posts Day 0. One nothing intro post early on, and then a post about POE. Nothing of interest.

But then his first post of Day 1 is this:

sig wrote:Y'all just jumped into this game didn't you.

Why am I being GTH bad? I'll catch up this afternoon somewhat, but have a few projects and papers so might not address everything.

Followed instantly by this:

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:
Or, Canuck's quote in my sig below.

I hate when I look up my name and this junk comes up.

So... Theory A: Sig routinely looks himself up in games as early as Day 1, read completely through everyone's posts mentioning his name, saw that people were including him as a possible baddie on GTH reads on Day 1, and felt the need to comment on it.

Except... he didn't make a jokey post first, or a "sorry I've been busy, let me catch up" post or anything. He just quietly got full grasp of his place in the game and then launched right into defending it.

Which leads me to Theory B: Sig has BTSC and was told that he was being eyed, read it all while in baddie chat, formulated a defense and posted it.

I'm leaning towards Theory B. There is something really weird about silently and without posting anything studying your own position in the game and then making your first post of Day 1 a defense post. It's a gut interpreation, but while I continue my reading, it earns sig a vote.

I didn't have much time, so of course I would search my name first and answer points/posts about me. I usually do this when there is a good amount of posts that I can't get through at one point. Also I don't see why I wouldn't start on the defensive if people where reading me as bad, that seems like a logic first step. I'd also assume, since I said it in the sign up, that it was remember that I was busy. I prefer not to mention it to much in game since it can be seen as an excuse to not post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, all due respect, don't take my response as rude. It isn't intended that way. I just cannot possibly disagree with you more on that matter; it is unfathomable to me that anyone could think that the current activity for this game is bad for the town.

Furthermore, I didn't ask Boomslang for accurate or true reads. I find it suspicious that you are misconstruing my post as that, especially in conjunction with the fact that you say you don't like it but you don't mafia read it. I was trying to get a feel for him. I still am. I am with everyone. Reads cannot be even remotely accurate if no one pokes anyone else. I am trying to get reads on everyone I can; that's how you play the game of mafia. I think that's been a running theme in my posts, so for you to interpret my post the way that you did (saying that no one can have accurate reads) is outwardly misrepresentation or misunderstanding, and I'm inclined to believe the former at the moment.

But see here is the issue when does generating content turn into overposting which makes people less interested and more confused? I'm not sure if you're doing this now but it is a strategy you've employed in the past, it's day 1 and you already have 200 posts. I know town MP does this as well, but it is perhaps one of your best skills as a mafia member as well.

I don't like Scotty's vote on bwt or Sloonie's. He is a low fruit early on time and time again.

This response is fair, thank you. I'm not sure when a thread turns into that point; I think it's inevitably subjective and dependent on the actual content more so than the volume of it, but it's probably a bit of both. I personally feel like this has been a way more productive Day 0/Day 1 than usual, so I'm excited about it. You may perceive it differently.

I'm feeling tentatively better about you at the moment, but I'm still bothered by the way you twisted around the purpose of my asking Boomslang for his reads. Perhaps you just misunderstood what I was doing; if that's the case, I apologize for not being clearer. Otherwise, it reeks of yucky mud.

I just found it odd you expected him to have solid reads or really reads of any kind so early in the game. My second point about in that post was a more general one.

Golden wrote:What do you think of inh jumping on your understanding as gospel, though?

I can understand why you would be worried about me suspecting you, and read it that way, but surely for anyone else they would at least see that there was another way to take my post.

I just can't tell if inh was being genuine in his choice to treat your words as the true interpretation of my post, or if he just wanted to take another dig at me. Despite the fact I've made it clear I'm not using PoE this game and think it has fundamental flaws in a secret-laden setup.

I'll need to review what he said today, but from what I remember he already has that view and when he saw I agreed with him he jumped on it right? That is assuming we're talking about our POE exchanges? However, I don't remember your exchanges with INH to well so I'll review them this afternoon.

timmer wrote:

sig wrote:Sloonie I see what he is doing as early day 1 reads. So he might not be taking a strong stance, but I don't think that is alignment indicating. I also don't want to lynch bwt today since he always seems to get lynched early and rarely (if ever) is mafia when lynched day 1/2

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

I don't like this post, not saying it is a mafia post or pingy I just don't like it. We have just started day 1 how many accurate and true reads can you have at this point? In fact i'd be more suspicious of people who have any strong reads since it would imply buddying/mafia town reading people they think are town.

I feel like we are moving way to quickly for a day 1 and that it could cause harm to town in mid game.

insertnamehere wrote:at this point, I'm waiting for the actual game to start, because reading into this pre-game nonsense is giving me nothing.

I actually agree with this, I've read day 0 and have gotten very little from it so far.

I dislike how both sig and INH seem to hate that people are working on content on Day 1 (how dare they?) while offering up little in the way of alternatives.

There is content and false content, it's very dangerous when we are flooded with false content, so I'm always wary of people who tons. ALso I stand by what I said, how many accurate and true reads can you have day 1 to make a good list?

I've got a group documentary due on Monday so off I must be to finish it.

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig and Scotty are both suspicious and should be pressured.

I won't be around much, if at all, the rest of the day.

I am unfortunately in the same boat.

Why?

I've been called suspicious a few times already, by Golden, MP, and 3J yet none have given any reason for this read. Are you gut reading me as bad? Is it my posts? I find your lack of explanation disturbing.

I'm not around, sig.

If I suspected you, that wouldn't be 'unfortunate', and I wouldn't be cryptic about it.

Well duh that makes a lot more sense. :P
Thanks for clarifying that.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig and Scotty are both suspicious and should be pressured.

I won't be around much, if at all, the rest of the day.

I am unfortunately in the same boat.

Why?

I've been called suspicious a few times already, by Golden, MP, and 3J yet none have given any reason for this read. Are you gut reading me as bad? Is it my posts? I find your lack of explanation disturbing.

Also what question do you want Scotty to answer? I don't recall off the top of my head you asking him any questions?

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, all due respect, don't take my response as rude. It isn't intended that way. I just cannot possibly disagree with you more on that matter; it is unfathomable to me that anyone could think that the current activity for this game is bad for the town.

Furthermore, I didn't ask Boomslang for accurate or true reads. I find it suspicious that you are misconstruing my post as that, especially in conjunction with the fact that you say you don't like it but you don't mafia read it. I was trying to get a feel for him. I still am. I am with everyone. Reads cannot be even remotely accurate if no one pokes anyone else. I am trying to get reads on everyone I can; that's how you play the game of mafia. I think that's been a running theme in my posts, so for you to interpret my post the way that you did (saying that no one can have accurate reads) is outwardly misrepresentation or misunderstanding, and I'm inclined to believe the former at the moment.

But see here is the issue when does generating content turn into overposting which makes people less interested and more confused? I'm not sure if you're doing this now but it is a strategy you've employed in the past, it's day 1 and you already have 200 posts. I know town MP does this as well, but it is perhaps one of your best skills as a mafia member as well.

I don't like Scotty's vote on bwt or Sloonie's. He is a low fruit early on time and time again.

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

Talk to me more about this. What's a ninja-like post?

The best kind of post

Sloonie I see what he is doing as early day 1 reads. So he might not be taking a strong stance, but I don't think that is alignment indicating. I also don't want to lynch bwt today since he always seems to get lynched early and rarely (if ever) is mafia when lynched day 1/2

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

I don't like this post, not saying it is a mafia post or pingy I just don't like it. We have just started day 1 how many accurate and true reads can you have at this point? In fact i'd be more suspicious of people who have any strong reads since it would imply buddying/mafia town reading people they think are town.

I feel like we are moving way to quickly for a day 1 and that it could cause harm to town in mid game.

insertnamehere wrote:at this point, I'm waiting for the actual game to start, because reading into this pre-game nonsense is giving me nothing.

I actually agree with this, I've read day 0 and have gotten very little from it so far.

Scotty wrote:

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, can you give me a rainbow? I'd like a rainbow.

How about gun to heads? That'd be more useful to me right now.

A Person -- bad
BWT -- good
Boomslang -- bad
Dom -- good
DrWilgy -- good
Epignosis -- good
Golden -- good
INH -- good
LoRab -- bad
MM -- good
MP -- good
ninja -- good
Scotty -- bad
sig -- bad
Sloonei -- good
timmer -- good
Trice -- good
Vomps -- good

I don't like this GTH reads from 3J, his baddie reads are low hanging fruits and most are currently low posters.

Aperson/Lorab 2
Sig 4
Boomslang 16
Scotty 24

This is our break down, now I haven't read enough to have a read on Boom or Scotty, but if A-person/Lorab/myself is being pursued to get lynched I would look very closely at whoever is trying to set up our lynches since there is no evidence one way or another and lynching a low poster on day one when we already have 15 pages is a good place to throw a day 1 vote if you're mafia.

I find myself agreeing with you and thinking you're civ which means you're probably mafia.

Right? Isn't how that works?

No it means I haven't had the chance to stick my foot in my mouth, I'm a civ, or I've gotten better in my absence. Maybe college improved my Uni skills as well as my drinking skills.
:P

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Dom what do you think of my ability to read you?

never thought about it.
tbh I dont' reall;y think about how people read me.

Why didn't you answer my question?

sig wrote:

That is true, I also noticed Dom hasn't addressed my point from early on?

Anyway off to class I go.

Your post about why I 'defended' MP?
I think I answered it here. I didn't answer you directly, but I was criticized for doing the same thing to Scotty, so I thought I'd cover two eggs with one hammer dude.

Okay thanks Dom, I must have missed that. What do you think of JJJ right now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me?

tbh what does this mean tbh

Stated as simply as possible, POE ("process of elimination") takes the typical strategy of a town player (to hunt for members of the mafia) and flips it on its head (instead hunt for fellow townies).

The theory behind POE is that town can win due to the fact that it has a majority, and if members of the town can collectively use POE to clear enough of each other from consideration of being mafia, then the only players that haven't been cleared are the mafia.

A player can approach POE on an individual level, like I've usually been doing more so these days in the beginning of the game when I state "here are 5 town reads", etc., and then when it comes time to vote I just vote among the players I haven't found any reason to call town.

Multiple players can approach POE on a group level with specific intent of using POE (something I have not yet participated in), and assuming those players can town-clear each other, they will then work with each other collectively to cross-examine each other's town reads to develop a consensus suspect pool. For example, if there are 10 players, and I (as Player #1) have town reads on Players #3, 5, 7, and 8, and Players #3 and #5 who also are using POE have town reads on Players #2, 4, 5, and 9, then that leaves a consensus suspect pool of only Players #6 and #10, since neither of those players are being town read by any of the players utilizing POE. All of the POE-utilizing players would then decide on either #6 or #10 for their votes.

Ah so basically a town circle?

NO NO NO ANNNNNND NO!

This is perhaps one of my least favorite methods of hunting mafia whether it is winning dead or alive or not. Mainly since if one mafia gets in the town circle aka 100% cleared we will listen to them buddy buddy, then they can screw up the whole game. I've seen it happen quite a few times so we should be very wary if we're going to employ this strategy.

So while it can work I don't think we should put to much stock in POE to early in the game.

That's why you never listen to anyone 100%, always question even those cleared by the POE, and continually re-assess every read, including town reads. Sounds to me your experiences are soured by players not using the method effectively, not the method itself.

That is true, I also noticed Dom hasn't addressed my point from early on?

Anyway off to class I go.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: There's inherently little to say about LoRab and sig with so few posts each. My concern with LoRab is that she showed up FIRST!!! and seemed enthusiastic, but hasn't done anything since. sig made one real post in which he drew what looked to me like an arbitrary point of out of the pile (sussing Dom for his concern about my poo fling at MP), like he provided a "hot take" for the sake of doing it.

I could play the odds with A Person too. I have no idea. The one post is not inspired.

I don't quite see your point agaisnt me here? I thought something was odd so I pointed it out, I still find it odd that Dom jumped in over something like that.

These posts were just from me searching my name.=

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, can you give me a rainbow? I'd like a rainbow.

How about gun to heads? That'd be more useful to me right now.

A Person -- bad
BWT -- good
Boomslang -- bad
Dom -- good
DrWilgy -- good
Epignosis -- good
Golden -- good
INH -- good
LoRab -- bad
MM -- good
MP -- good
ninja -- good
Scotty -- bad
sig -- bad
Sloonei -- good
timmer -- good
Trice -- good
Vomps -- good

I don't like this GTH reads from 3J, his baddie reads are low hanging fruits and most are currently low posters.

Aperson/Lorab 2
Sig 4
Boomslang 16
Scotty 24

This is our break down, now I haven't read enough to have a read on Boom or Scotty, but if A-person/Lorab/myself is being pursued to get lynched I would look very closely at whoever is trying to set up our lynches since there is no evidence one way or another and lynching a low poster on day one when we already have 15 pages is a good place to throw a day 1 vote if you're mafia.

Golden wrote:
Or, Canuck's quote in my sig below.

I hate when I look up my name and this junk comes up.

Y'all just jumped into this game didn't you.

Why am I being GTH bad? I'll catch up this afternoon somewhat, but have a few projects and papers so might not address everything.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me?

tbh what does this mean tbh

Stated as simply as possible, POE ("process of elimination") takes the typical strategy of a town player (to hunt for members of the mafia) and flips it on its head (instead hunt for fellow townies).

The theory behind POE is that town can win due to the fact that it has a majority, and if members of the town can collectively use POE to clear enough of each other from consideration of being mafia, then the only players that haven't been cleared are the mafia.

A player can approach POE on an individual level, like I've usually been doing more so these days in the beginning of the game when I state "here are 5 town reads", etc., and then when it comes time to vote I just vote among the players I haven't found any reason to call town.

Multiple players can approach POE on a group level with specific intent of using POE (something I have not yet participated in), and assuming those players can town-clear each other, they will then work with each other collectively to cross-examine each other's town reads to develop a consensus suspect pool. For example, if there are 10 players, and I (as Player #1) have town reads on Players #3, 5, 7, and 8, and Players #3 and #5 who also are using POE have town reads on Players #2, 4, 5, and 9, then that leaves a consensus suspect pool of only Players #6 and #10, since neither of those players are being town read by any of the players utilizing POE. All of the POE-utilizing players would then decide on either #6 or #10 for their votes.

Ah so basically a town circle?

NO NO NO ANNNNNND NO!

This is perhaps one of my least favorite methods of hunting mafia whether it is winning dead or alive or not. Mainly since if one mafia gets in the town circle aka 100% cleared we will listen to them buddy buddy, then they can screw up the whole game. I've seen it happen quite a few times so we should be very wary if we're going to employ this strategy.

So while it can work I don't think we should put to much stock in POE to early in the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Actually MP, your post count has already jumped to an obscene place. I'm not sure I've seen it quite like this since you started Transistor with 57 posts before the second-highest poster made it to #8.

You over-eager cuz you bad, m8?

i got a cherry tree out back
wanna pick some more?

It's a cherry pick if MP dominates the early post count this much in every game, and I don't think he does. Indeed other than Transistor I might say the other most applicable comparison is to the Scrimmage (I can't remember his precise post count comparatively; I just remember it being very high very early). It doesn't make him bad, but it's worth throwing some poop.

Good point from JJJ, Dom's post is pingy. MP is more than able to defend himself from what was only a statement by 3J, so why jump in?


Up to page five have to study for my second final, so I must be off.

linki:

Checking in, will post my thoughts on what has happened so far tomorrow.