The Syndicate

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:37 am And yet me scumreading you made 0 sense?
you have seen both my wolfgame and towngame, im scummier as town i only play into level 0 wolfy things as town, its you specifically that i got a problem with sr'ing me

Even though I've scumread you when you were town before. Multiple times. So much so you mock me for suspecting you in every game, in nearly every game?

I do not understand how your reasoning makes sense to you.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:34 am How does this track? Do you consider me a player incapable of re-evaluation?
I think you are quite capable of re-evaluating me if you are V here.
Im not though, im pretty much locked on you being a wolf.
On the brightside in the world in which im wrong you are prolly right on chelsea/brad being a team

How are you not? That's ridiculous given your stated reasons are so blatantly flawed.

This is exactly what you did in the champs semi.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:36 am I spent half of the day acting scummy trying to play around my TMI irt to Falcon being PR without actually being exe'd when as a wolf i dont need to i can just either bury Falcon normally if he is Town PR or... buss him like i would do 9 out of 10 times if we are w/w.

And yet me scumreading you made 0 sense?

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am So you claimed expecting me to just instantly townread the claim in a game where mafia have fake claims and specifically a role that has the same action? It is illogical for me to view it plausible that you're mafia ergo I'm outed, despite you having confirmation that at least one confirmed town viewed it the same.
i didnt even notice wolves had a copy of my role as a mandatory thing before claiming lmao. Im not saying the claim itself is lock!town but the timing/reasoning for it is, wolf me has no reason whatsoever to claim when i did.

I'm not questioning that I'm questioning how me scumreading you is outing for it specifically.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:29 am anyways im not changing neither my mind nor my vote, this game's lost if u are town and mb for it.
gg's if u are wolf cuz im also prolly not winning the thunderdome but it is what it is

How does this track? Do you consider me a player incapable of re-evaluation?

It is plausible that you were roleblocked because it is quite confirmed that mafia have White Legs due to the additional n1 KP. So I'm willing to believe that as long as nobody else claims to have been roleblocked.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:25 am It does make sense for someone who does not know your alignment Manny. Think a bit beyond level 1 when analysing yourself.
The odds of me being actually dying yday without the claim were prolly around 20-30% and i knew as much when i claimed, i only bothered cuz i wanted to force mafia to self-resolve me.
Didnt expect people to actually scumread the claim making self-resolving impossible zzzz

So you claimed expecting me to just instantly townread the claim in a game where mafia have fake claims and specifically a role that has the same action? It is illogical for me to view it plausible that you're mafia ergo I'm outed, despite you having confirmation that at least one confirmed town viewed it the same.

This is why im asking you to analyse me outside of this. It is not correct logic.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:24 am Also please explain knowing my meta as well as you do why I kill three players townreading me when I lead every wolf team mechanically in every game.
No one is even scumreading u, who cares about killing people tr'ing u when u arent on danger lol.

That's not true I've been voted plenty by multiple living slots including you, Lime Coke, Creature and Lanmisa. Chelsea has been sus of me too. I have much better kills to make here for my survival than Michelle, Abigail and Seanzie. They are nonsense kills for a Mac wolf team to make.

Okay so Seanzie makes sense as an Epi/Manny kill. Not a TSP one. A definitively ridiculous kill for me to make when Lanmisa is right there.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:23 am Why am I an outed wolf? Use actual arguments please not omgus and halfway rule.
Your reasoning for me being a wolf made 0 sense before i claimed and makes -1 sense after i claimed.
I have no reason whatsoever to claim as wolf when i did because it only got me more scumread than i was before lol

It does make sense for someone who does not know your alignment Manny. Think a bit beyond level 1 when analysing yourself.

Also please explain knowing my meta as well as you do why I kill three players townreading me when I lead every wolf team mechanically in every game.

I have provided actual reasoning behind my suspicion of you may I request a similar courtesy please.

Just out your check.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:22 am Mac is an outted wolf, Falcon is prolly one too by virtue of not having died although less confident on that.
Dont got a result for n2 figure i was roleblocked.

Why am I an outed wolf? Use actual arguments please not omgus and halfway rule.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:21 am Michelle I don't see talking about Chelsea in terms of like what read she has on her.

She did flip flop on you so sure.

Abigail had a moment positive to you but wasn't sure how solid that was.

You didn't read their isos very hard lol.

okay now do Seanzie

I just know that town Lime Coke when he shields a TOWN usually becomes a frustrating priority wolf kill so both he and his shield being alive is really telling. But he sounds like the town Brad so...

I remember asking Manny why he townread Chelsea for bad reasons back on d1 and he said something like "she doesn't sound like she's pocketing Brad" which ... is hilarious given where we now are.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:25 pm [VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine
Come on dude please go with Nanook.

I just... really hope this isn't another town LC shielding a lady friend wolf again. That tune is so overplayed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:41 pm Seanzie would you be against killing Mac? Dude is doing nothing but going after my townreads and I and if I'm right on who I'm shielding then he's just wolfsiding.
I got very strong town vibes from Mac earlier, and the things I've seen people point out about him as reasons to scumread him I think are NAI at worst for him. So yes, I would be against killing Mac.

My reads are also pretty opposed to yours I think, so him voting some of your townreads isn't a convincing argument to me. If you think something he did earlier was scummy, I'll hear you out, but as of right now, I don't see much of an issue with his votes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:12 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:06 pm Town Core

Mac
Lan
Chelsea
Scotty

Yeppers

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:32 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:16 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:14 am Thread needs to be less dead
I mean, it's early morning in Europe, the Americans are asleep and we have quite a few low-posters, including a non-poster.

Any thoughts on the game that differ a lot from your earlier reads list? Something you want to discuss? Or do you have something to help me figure out the players I am unsure of as of now?
Imagine sleeping

I'm an American but I work 3rds so I'm lonely lol

Uh my reads haven't changed much except I'd probably town core Long Con now

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:55 pm Also my top town are Lan and Long Con

That means that despite my mistrust in Scotty I should follow Lan's read on him because he sees something I don't see.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine
Mainly because now I don't want Sean chopped

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:17 pm Manny still feels like a low motivated wolf and his wagon doesn't grow which is concerning.
But maybe it's because people are not active?
Hard to tell.
Good forrrr...

Lan, Long Con, Scotty a bit since that was a sheep.

Bad for Man.

Not good for me or Chelsea though? Why pull that first quote if you aren't referencing the list?

I will reiterate that Manny hard claiming under the pressure he was (ie. none) is very likely just a wolf given the town roles area mix of provided fake claims and real ones, he is still alive and showed no fear of anticlaim in the process.

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:56 am Like is it all an elaborate hoax? Is that in Mac’s range?

What are you even talking about? You sound deranged. Who are you talking to? Why are you acting like you care about the game all of a sudden when you've hardly done anything lol.

Lime Coke why do you think Chelsea is town still? She's not out of her wolfrange and I've felt she's been off all game but you've had a locked in townread on her and doing your usual shtick in that regard. Can you actually articulate why you think she's town in a way you think I can comprehend.

I can see a world where the 3 of us are town being the reason I'm not dead but I'm not sure that any mafia team would be content with a high posting Lime Coke with a Chelsea shaped shield and doing nothing about it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:20 am But the Mafia doesn't have any secret parts, do they?
There is nowhere it speaks to factional kills either so going by your logic they don't have factionals.
Let's go more with "by my logic, town!Manny would not have made decisions based on fear of anticlaim", and not get too into the weeds about important game factors the host might have made black box secret.

Nobody hard claims their very important town PR role under zero pressure in a game with plausible anti claim or even really at all. Manny as a supposed town watcher even with 1 allocation exhausted of his PR is still a major threat to mafia that they saw fit to allow to target again.

Watch as he claims to have been roleblocked and survives.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:20 am But the Mafia doesn't have any secret parts, do they?

There is nowhere it speaks to factional kills either so going by your logic they don't have factionals.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:11 amManny would not have claimed as town under no pressure for fear of anticlaim. No fear of anticlaim equals mafia.
What do you mean by 'anticlaim'?

Mafia will be able to kill people who claim. It's standard fare for role madness. Surely you've seen anticlaim?

Epi is obviously town imo.

Just like Nanook was.

They are not players in this game with mafia wincons. This game has wolves controlling things. No wolves dead d3.

Follow the dead towns reads.

My thoughts are that I want to burn Chelsea/Brad/Manny with authority.

Scotty's 3p obsession just makes me think he is one.

I'm alive. Yay. Who cares. I've lived to d3 as town in more games than I haven't.

Brad/Chelsea are a pseudo masonry and the mafia do not seem to care. The only people that have been opposed to them are me and the dead.

Manny would not have claimed as town under no pressure for fear of anticlaim. No fear of anticlaim equals mafia.

Falcon actually is just rand and not actually wolfy really. No self pres.

Dunnstral and Lanmisa are billboard townies.

Everyone else is like lean town but with no confidence.

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:15 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine
What’s that Lassie? You need to be spayed?

Manny’s claim ain’t great considering we know wolves have a tracker and why would the town watcher like out a role targeting Seanzie?

Tinfoil hat says my Manny/Falcon w/w read is just right but I don’t actually have that much faith in that read.

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine

I disagree. I am finding your rationale for your reads to be exceedingly insincere. Your reasoning for townreading Falcon non existent and pretending you simply don't want to say it is lol. Your POE is just a list of 4 slots who don't appear to want to defend themselves at all ie. the path of least resistance. Also you're smelly.

@Chelsea maybe this will help. Manny's most recent posts are wolfy as fuck.

Haven't even felt like you've asked me anything. Did I miss questions?

@Chelsea how are reads that different? I don't even care about my reads so I can just bin them if you want. Reads are worthless as shit. All I care about is my vote being on a wolf by EOD. My reads are nothing but information retrieval tools until the eod crystallises my vote.

which lc?

That's not true I said that like twice and have otherwise been engaging normally. Seems like you're just trying to portray a false narrative so you don't have to admit that you're not playing around me properly. Townies can do that. If you're townie you'll admit it though right now. Because this is an olive branch that leads to Valhalla.

@Creature you're town now. Good job.

I'm gonna drop my Creature sus though because both Chelsea and Lan seem to have him as top town and we sheep this on policy no matter what their alignments are good good.

You seem to think my 3 is you/Creature/Brad when prior to you making that read I had actually found Brad town and then sheeped him on you and made my 3 Jack/Falcon/Creature. You then called my solve 0/3 and voted Falcon. So you're quite likely just basing a read on me off of false data due to posting prior to a complete catch up which then in turn tilted me. Fwiw. At least that's the me acting in good faith way of viewing it. Onus is on you now to admit it.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:28 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:25 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:51 am Yeah that's all I needed to see

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Didn't you say earlier that scum!Mac wouldn't push you? Can you explain what "that" is above, and why it is all you needed to see?
Town Mac's read rate on me is one of the best. So I figured scum!Mac would carry that on and considering he's hardpushing a worldview I know is incorrect how exactly am I supposed to react?

It's either "Brad is a wolf with Chels"
"Chels read on Brad should be ignored"
or
"Chels goes over after Brad regardless"

You haven't hit any town notes of yours I'm familiar with. I usually find all your angles a total vibe and meld with you. It's not my problem here you are simply not vibing my read and even called my read a 0/3 then voted one of my 3. How can you live in a world where your analysis of my play is so patently flawed in such a level 1 way and then criticise me for not finding you town? Improve the approach you have to reading me and maybe I could find you.

Lan maybe rather than taking shots at my character you should reevaluate your own character given you resort to calling me a "massive dick" for making a read in a mafia game.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:24 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:22 am [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

I knew I prob should've kept the Scotty Mac dif check read to myself or at least until D3 but we can try this.
Wait what is the logic of this read?
See above.

I tried and I saw nothing.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:23 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:21 am
Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:17 am I bet hard that he's one of the 3ps and probably exactly the courier.
I can also just shrug kill Tony not like he has done much to make me think he's town.
i dunno wether its ev+ to kill 3p now or later
If you start thinking too hard about 3Ps you forget that this is still a game of Mafia vs town and ultimately Mafia needs to remove the 3P in order to win.

(Of course, if we speedyeet two mafia in a row we may want to think about the situation harder but D2 after a town yeet is hardly the time.)
Oh I see you reacted like me reading Epi as the courier was ridiculous because it's you. Makes sense now. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Even my patience is limited.

Come back once sober and reflect on your actions. If you want to be a massive dick, be it somewhere else.

There is absolutely nothing dickish about making a read. Grow up.

Which Seanzie then actually evidentially rebuked very well.

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:22 am Feels lazy given Brad hasn't even actually accused Seanzie of being a wolf only of being annoying and has if anything treated him like he thinks he's town by criticising how bad he is at reading him as opposed to accusing him of having a wolf agenda in pushing him.
I thougth Brad wanted Seanzie killed off or is that just cuz he finds hm annoying lol

It's a "Seanzie suspects me every game and I hate it so much I don't even care if he's town" based desire.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:22 am [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

I knew I prob should've kept the Scotty Mac dif check read to myself or at least until D3 but we can try this.

Wait what is the logic of this read?

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