The Syndicate

ika wrote: if you want a 100% tell just push me to my breaking point (but its not recomended)

I'd rather people didn't do this to read ika. There's plenty of other ways to do it.

Congrats Town!!

Silverwolf wrote:Looks like dead red is gonna be my new color around this site.

EBWOP

Looks like dead read is gonna be my new color around this site.

When I get some time I'm gonna ISO LC and Epi here and in Turf Wars. I feel there is some good info. to be had with their conversation and I want to be able to look into that more.

Polo-The only ones that benefit from NLing are scum.

Dom wrote:This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I don't consider any game relevant conversation pointless. It helps me get a real on polo for example. He seems like newbtown. Without talking to him about this, it would be harder to get such a read.

I really don't think this game has been overly active or there's a need to stifle discussion. Right?

Scotty wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Sorry I missed the vote. I was sleeping, bad poll end time for me

Yet you had plenty of discussion over bwt and DFaraday just earlier in the day. You know votes are changeable, right? I'm very surprised people miss votes- especially in a 48 hour phase- when votes can be moved around at will.

What I do, when I know I'm gonna be away at deadline is say I won't be here and make sure my vote is where I want it before I go and where I think it needs to be at deadline. Then I don't worry about it. Seems like a simple enough solution. If anything changes that close to deadline, there isn't much more you can do if you aren't here.

Is it just my imagination or is Long Con agreeing with me a lot?

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Polo wrote:You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

I was in civ in that game as well; we didn't have role players in that heist, though, and you have to admit that the Day 1 lynch was simply a lucky strike. Be aware that civs have plenty of useful role powers in this game.

We had a cop. That got lynched D3 but still got a couple clears off. I really want to lynch every day that we can. Think about it this way. We look at the wagon on the civ if they are civ. We look at confirmed civs reads. We get the NK. We look at that person's reads to see who they suspected and try to figure out why they were killed. Later in the game, we look at VCA-vote count analysis and figure out who voted where and why to look for baddie behavior. We need the D1 lynch for the most info. Plus, what I said earlier, I will defend someone I think is town. bwt didn't give me town feels and was very null-I'm usually o.k. with lynches like that on d1 where we have next to no information to go on.

Am I making sense?

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Polo wrote:You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

It was huge fun.

Polo wrote:You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Polo wrote:Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

No I think lynching D1 is always better than not. I've never played a game where we don't lynch D1. Now we can look at the votes on the wagon and get some info. after NK and flips.

DrWilgy wrote:*A ghost Wilgy appears (imagine Wilgy with a sheet over his head), and extends his hand to Marmot for their dance*

Silverwolf wrote:I checked btw's 9 posts and feel very indifferent about him. I have no objections to this lynch going through.

*The ghost then points to a nearby computer screen and text begins to appear on the screen*

"Silverwolf... While I haven't thoroughly read you, I am aware you have the second most posts... I think it would be rather off or odd of you to feel indifferent to a lynch that isn't the one you are voting for yourself. If anything... I think you should be bothered that it's not the wagon you support at least.

Time to look at you in detail..."

*Wilgy's ghost disappears*

That's fine.

bwt has only 9 posts and none of them say anything, I'm fine with this lynch because it's a complete null read that doesn't look town. If I had a townread here, I'd defend it more. As it is I have no problem with this lynch due to it being on a null read where we may still get scum and/or get info on the lynch.

I have a stronger scumread on Faraday for his defense of the leading wagon right away out of the gate that I explained in detail that it looked like whiteknighting and also some filler posts that say nothing. He has defended himself some but it's not enough to change my vote. I don't mind you looking at me. I have nothing to hide and if it'll get you posting normally again, that's great.

Let me know if you have any questions.

I checked btw's 9 posts and feel very indifferent about him. I have no objections to this lynch going through.

Later I will ISO birdwithteeth and see what the votes are about, when I have more time.

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

*A bucket of popcorn falls to the floor, it seems to imply that Wilgy used to do the contrary when he was alive. He would just sit back and watch the show as a baddie. "Too much effort to get involved", he would think*

This is a good point. I'm less active as a baddie but I still have an agenda and post. I will look at inactives later and if they continue, I'll vote them. I usually do. Either they are scum lurking or town that isn't gonna help us. But I don't do that early game usually.

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

This is in response to DFaraday who I am currently voting for ISO purposes I'm putting it in thread too.

Silverwolf wrote: Well, I can give you my honest opinion on it. I'm less inclined to care about my voting as town. As scum, I'm a lot more careful about it. So joining a bandwagon right away in a game, leans town for me as it promotes discussion and pressures someone that most likely needs it. This kind of pushing is townie to me. Now, if someone jumps on a major bandwagon with lame reasoning on someone who looks town or flips town, I'm gonna re-examine that a lot more closely next day.

The issue I had with your post is the fact that you started the day defending the leading wagon. It could be you honestly don't believe Dom is scum but I don't get that impression from you. You could be defending a teammate, possible. OR, you could be whiteknighting a wagon as scum which I have done before in past games. Usually in my opening statements because A) It's conversation that is easy to make and looks protown and/or B) I know the wagon is on town and it will give me town points going forward.

Due to your overall posting so far, I'm going with the later for now.

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:BTW-my vote on metalmarsh is because he's not doing anything productive at all and appears to be avoiding the thread.

He's one of the higher posters in the thread so far... How is that avoiding the thread?

How many games have you played with him before this one?

At the time of my vote, he had barely posted anything in this thread and it was all fluff. He was posting elsewhere. Since then, he's been posting a lot more which is why I moved my vote.

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:It's o.k. I'm mostly null on him which is why I asked.

Polo seems kind of townish-do you agree?

yes, his post are longwinded and low, but they are more to the point overall

What about Epi? I have as null, but you have more experience with him.

Didnt you read my list form ealier? gosh..... (jk lol)

no but i have him as null too he seems, disintreted

LOL-OK, sounds like we are on similar wavelengths so far

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:It's o.k. I'm mostly null on him which is why I asked.

Polo seems kind of townish-do you agree?

yes, his post are longwinded and low, but they are more to the point overall

What about Epi? I have as null, but you have more experience with him.

It's o.k. I'm mostly null on him which is why I asked.

Polo seems kind of townish-do you agree?

ika wrote:

Dom wrote: I said BWT thought that.

BWT?

Birdwithteeth-a player here?

What's your opinion of him BTW?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

How many games have the two of you played together where you were mafia and he was civ?

Are the odds in Spacedaisy's favor to make such a read?

Um, let's see I gotta think:

There was the Open game-I was mafia, ika was town-fooled him most of the game and won-he says he figured me out at the end.

There was fire and ice-I was mafia, he was civ. He knew I was scum but could not get me lynched. My teammate won that one as I was nightkilled by the other scumteam.

There was the werewolf game-I was wolf, ika was seer-more than likely that would of been him catching me N1 or I would of killed him N1-we had to drop out due to our hydra chat in another game-too easy to cross talk games.

He modded a game where I was mafia traitor and scum won that one as well and modded another scum game where I was scum and we won.

So yeah, ika has good experience with me as scum.

Yes, Daisy has good call to use it. However, she didn't know all this so to assume ika could read me without looking at me herself was slightly odd to me.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

I knew it when I saw the flip. I said to not vote but the other townie voted while I was as work...

btw I just has lenon pepper chicken and cake and got a camcorder super hyped

Congratulations ika!!

DFaraday wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

Is going along with bandwagons more townish behavior?

Well, I can give you my honest opinion on it. I'm less inclined to care about my voting as town. As scum, I'm a lot more careful about it. So joining a bandwagon right away in a game, leans town for me as it promotes discussion and pressures someone that most likely needs it. This kind of pushing is townie to me. Now, if someone jumps on a major bandwagon with lame reasoning on someone who looks town or flips town, I'm gonna re-examine that a lot more closely next day.

The issue I had with your post is the fact that you started the day defending the leading wagon. It could be you honestly don't believe Dom is scum but I don't get that impression from you. You could be defending a teammate, possible. OR, you could be whiteknighting a wagon as scum which I have done before in past games. Usually in my opening statements because A) It's conversation that is easy to make and looks protown and/or B) I know the wagon is on town and it will give me town points going forward.

Due to your overall posting so far, I'm going with the later for now.

Metalmarsh's self vote is odd, don't know what to make of it.

I like daisy and ika for civ right now.

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

@metalmarsh-Why did you vote for yourself?

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

BTW-my vote on metalmarsh is because he's not doing anything productive at all and appears to be avoiding the thread.

Spacedaisy wrote: I do have one other thing to comment on, but you probably won't care for it ika. I think your conversation earlier regarding higher standards is highly flawed. In mafia, everyone has a different perspective, different approaches and different ways of thinking. I have often in my mafia career had times when someone seemed so bad to me because I could not see a civilian reason for their behavior. But in the end I found that a lot of it was simply because I looked at things one way and their thought processes led them to look at it in a completely different way. What I am saying is, you are judging everyone according to your standards/expectations, and you are not infallible. Your way is not the only right way. So I would assume you are holding me to a standard because of my role in this site as well and that this plays some part in your feelings about my entrance, but I not only think this is illogical and unfair of you, I also think it will bite you in the ass if you keep up this approach with people.

This is actually a pretty good point and kind of a town looking post.

I'm gonna move my vote to metalmarsh89 to kind of shake things up a bit here.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Silverwolf wrote: ~SW

LOL

This is totally from a hydra game I am playing off site. I know I don't need to sign my post here.

are you sure? you jsut sigged it here. :P

Yes, I know. LOL

I'm really, really tired.

Silverwolf wrote: ~SW

LOL

This is totally from a hydra game I am playing off site. I know I don't need to sign my post here.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also ika, explain your Space Daisy read? She's pretty null to me right now.

Sure, i found her entrance to be lackluster, not only that but at the time of her posting there was quite a bit of dicussion so for her to have the "no comments ot be made" feels like its sucm who is out of place

And why is Sorsha town? I don't even remember Sorsha.

I think it was something about the poilcy lynch or something i have to iso again, i think that and the fact (s)he is more invested then ricotech game

Makes sense, and I get your point on Daisy.

I think I'm gonna give you a light townread now.

~SW

Dom wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:But I am the King of the Morlocks.

lol

ika wrote:

thellama73 wrote:
It's not my place to endorse or condemn different types of play. I am not the emperor of mafia.

Well your an S-Mod here so for me i hold you guys to higher standards on what is endorsed and what's not. Nobody is an emperor of mafia and anyone who said they are i would tell them that even if they played every game flawless, that it does not make them mafia god.

Moderators on this site are not chosen by their mafia success. They are chosen for being responsible members of the community to help

I would love more people's input on my interaction with ika.

This post is the reason I'm voting for Dom

I felt like it was too "trying to look town" and somewhat weak overall which is why I asked about it and he just kind of said what we all were saying that we didn't understand why someone would give suspicions without elaborating on them. However, it pinged due to the overall tone of the posts that I didn't care for.

It is day 1. Do you expect the reads to be strong?
What was the tone? What part gave the tone?

Sorry, missed this. No, I don't expect reads to be strong yet. Tone is just my overall impression of your first posts of the game. It didn't seem quite natural to me or as relaxed as someone like Scotty is being for example.

Also ika, explain your Space Daisy read? She's pretty null to me right now.

And why is Sorsha town? I don't even remember Sorsha.

ika-What does blue mean in your reads?

My read is mostly a tonal read with a touch of trying hard to look town thrown in. I'm gonna re-read his latest posts. Some of this could be playstyle since I've never played with him before.

Polo wrote:To nerf means to weaken, to soften.

Exactly. If you nerf a role, you do something to it so it isn't too strong.

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Not really. How new are you to Epig?

jsut played scum with him. he said he does it to subvert meta and if thats the case i wil most likely try to lynch him all the time cus again, its not town play to nerf yourself to be itentical. its borderline griefing IMO

I don't mean to be rude, but I barely understand what you are saying here. Can you translate this into non-game terms because I think you are using terms I am not familiar with.

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I... Shaved my moustache off today...

I... Can't go on...

...my name is DrWilgy and I'm most definitely dyi - blarg *the doctor falls over with his tongue out*

mod can we have a flip now that wigly is dead :P

dunno a better color for something joking of the osrt :P

What is osrt?

And did you just insult sarcastic orange? Because we actually voted on that. And some of us are very attached to it.

Illyria wrote:Scotty and Llama, I do not think I know you, but you have been cracking me up during my catch up.
I am an ASL interpreter.

Okay, Dom here is my first question. Has your game play changed significantly do you think?

Also, can someone please remind me how we multi quote here? I will go hunting in just a mo but figured maybe I could get a faster answer in thread.

You can't really multi quote. I just go back and forth between Windows and cut and paste.

Dom'splay is basically the sameness more mature. He is less hyper puppy than he used to be.

I think it is pretty easy to understand ika if you look at the overall wording of his posts. Griefing is intentionally making a game unenjoyable for other players. I don't really see that happening here.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:But I am the King of the Morlocks.

lol

ika wrote:

thellama73 wrote:
It's not my place to endorse or condemn different types of play. I am not the emperor of mafia.

Well your an S-Mod here so for me i hold you guys to higher standards on what is endorsed and what's not. Nobody is an emperor of mafia and anyone who said they are i would tell them that even if they played every game flawless, that it does not make them mafia god.

Moderators on this site are not chosen by their mafia success. They are chosen for being responsible members of the community to help administer the site. Llama is a Technical Moderator, so he helps with forum permissions, and other technical issues.


I would love more people's input on my interaction with ika.

This post is the reason I'm voting for Dom

I felt like it was too "trying to look town" and somewhat weak overall which is why I asked about it and he just kind of said what we all were saying that we didn't understand why someone would give suspicions without elaborating on them. However, it pinged due to the overall tone of the posts that I didn't care for.

I'm emotional as either alignment, it's not really a tell for me. That said, I'm experimenting with NOT being that way this game.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:Checking in. Haven't read the thread yet, will try to get that done before work today.

Yay game!

Are you the Riddler?

Not this again

I'm feeling good about Silverwolf.

You know, I was just gonna say that of Silverwolf and ika, I find silver more suspicious. She seems more subdued thus far, where ika has already tried to work out the game (albeit in an exploitive manner).

That being said, they could both be civs and I'm probably voting a low poster day 1

I see. My early reads are mostly based on tone and Silverwolf seems level-headed. I like that. Contrary to that, Im not sure what to think of Ika. He seems really hyped and excited but I can´t figure out if its genuine or because of baddie-anxiety.

Im still not comfortable about the fact that Ika and Silverwolf are so connected. The need for their meta reads on eachother decreases as they play more games here, and I really wish they would begin to act a little more independent.

I think that their response to this comment will give all of us a more qualitative read of each of them

Good, because I don't want to spend pages discussing their relationship within the game again.

I don't want this either. Last game, I was on constant defense over it for days and then on constant defense over my reads, which were mostly correct that game. ika and I try to sort each other rather quickly in games because we know each other and our meta. That said, once I figure him out, I will move on from it to developing other reads. But expect us to interact some with each other. It's just our personality/playstyle. I am hoping others can get reads from us when we do this. I also have zero intention of getting all frustrated this game. It was absolutely no fun for me to get that way last game and interfered with my ability to play. It was my own doing but still, I don't want to do that again.

ika wrote:I like how it got me attention that I haven't given out my reads yet. I am waiting on silver to compare mine f it wasn't apparent.

Here I will give ou guys a freebee. Metal marsh is one of my scum reads.

I have several more too but I will say when I am not at work. I should already have enough to make a full read list

What is it about metalmarsh that makes you have a scumread already on him?

Dom wrote:
I would love more people's input on my interaction with ika.

It's pretty null overall. Is there something in particular that you are looking for in this interaction?

thellama73 wrote:

ika wrote:

thellama73 wrote:
It's not my place to endorse or condemn different types of play. I am not the emperor of mafia.

Well your an S-Mod here so for me i hold you guys to higher standards on what is endorsed and what's not. Nobody is an emperor of mafia and anyone who said they are i would tell them that even if they played every game flawless, that it does not make them mafia god.

Hold me to watever standard you like, but I'm just saying, be prepared to be disappointed.

This is fair.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:Silver got any reads yet?

Yes one=ika reads annoying

thats a town tell right?

Yes

then by that logic i should be town to you. right?

Should be, but manipulation is your scum tell also and this is borderline.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:Silver got any reads yet?

Yes one=ika reads annoying

thats a town tell right?

Yes

Long Con wrote:Have either of you (ika, Silver) been baddies on this site yet?

I have not. ika has in Turf Wars and other games I believe.