The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:05 pm I vote to have more Classic Syndicate games hosted here in the future.
I’m gonna be the change I want to see in the world. Next game I host will have classic syndicate rules. I don’t know what or when it will be, but it’s happening.

I’ll play.

If TS ran more classic style games I would play more. It’s a different skill set. I think quite a few would filter in and out.

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G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:16 pm Victory is ours! Wow, what an exciting game and an exciting win. My teammates were terrific and we functioned without any drama, ego, or infighting. I am so proud to have been part of such a chill group of baddies.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:54 pm I want to know why @G-Man committed suicide.
I had hoped to have something pre-written to post last night when the game ended, but, as with the game when I was alive, real life made plans for me to the contrary.

As has happened too often the last two years for me, real life gets so busy for me that I can't commit enough time to reading the game and keeping current in it with my activity. I fell behind and my ability to manufacture developing reads fell apart completely during D2. When I was able to come back, there were too many pages of content for me to catch up on and digest in order to make any fake reads develop properly, so I become a little too obvious to a few folks. On D3, when it became clear that I was going to be the lead wagon, if not the runaway wagon, I resigned myself to that likely fate without giving up completely.

N2, NP Blue (Quin) targeted Vivax 2.0, and Ricochet was voting in his place. If you go back and look at the votes for D3, you'll see that Vivax was voting for Sloonei, while Rico was voting for me. When you all thought it was 5-4 in the votes, it was actually 5-3. Had I voted for Sloonei, it would have appeared to have been tied, but it still would have been 5-4 in favor of me. Kate was the only one who really picked up on that soon after the fact, but it could have been helpful under the right circumstances.

I knew we were one vote short of actually tying the game. Had I voted for Sloonei, however, I think the civs might have started to wake up more to the fact that the presence of Rico's vote meant that one of the other votes didn't count. I think there wasn't enough thought to that by the civs while Quin was still alive. Keeping the votes close and with only two wagons could have given you guys more to ponder about that role's impact on the votes.

So, not voting for Sloonei was an intentional decision on my part because (in order of importance):

1) The votes weren't there and I didn't believe that we could actually secure a Sloonei mischop if I created the appearance of a tie. It would have created some juicy eod chaos, but there was no guarantee Sloonei would get chopped, and I think my team came out of D3 cleaner than they might have if they had participated in that kind of eod chaos and vote-switching.

2) I am nobody's dancing bear. Yes, the thing that all mafia logic says to do in that situation is for me to vote for Sloonei and hope for the best out of the eod chaos that would follow. But I just didn't care to do the expected thing. I chose to be opaque and mysterious about it, which worked out pretty well this time.

3) I thought it would be fun to watch you guys over-analyze my decision not to vote for Sloonei/self-preservation for a phase or two. I was right. I was also baffled and amused that some of you kept bringing up my D3 vote throughout the rest of the game.

I didn't intend for all that to cause you guys to waste a day mischopping bea so over-confidently or to provide Golden the Coward additional deep cover, but I'm not sorry those things were side-effects either.

G Man, thank you for the detailed explanation. You know this was driving me crazy all game. I would start to civ read Sloonei and *BOOM* "Why TF did G Man just lay down and die?!?!" would pop into my head.

It was very unexpected, and tactically a good move because it kept the game focused on 'other than your team' for a big chunk of the game.

When I got to the point where I realized Golden, Quin and Michelle had had very limited interaction, and HAD to be teammates, logically I knew Sloonei had to be civ if they were bad. But you laying down as you did pretty much derailed me up to the day we started lynching your teammates. And derailing civs is the baddie way.

Super well played FEB move, G. I'm proud of you

I want to know why @G-Man committed suicide.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:48 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 pm there’s a reason I left my vote on Golden for so long. Hmmm, I wonder why I did that?
Don’t you know you were clearly on the baddie team that day

She voted for one of you, the three of you were my suspects

I thought Scotty and Eloh were the Masons, it’s why I came into the game trusting them.

I was half right

Linki @Matahari Ong That was SO MUCH FUN! I really enjoyed flipping your vote around.

Well played Golden. It was what, 6 civs and you at one point and you still pulled it out of the bag.

I was screaming at Sloonei on my phone. “Golden, Sloonei, it’s Golden!!!”

Screaming lol. Things are so obvious when you’re dead.

Although I’m pretty proud I called out the last three in one post!

*Taps spectral fingers*

Boo

@Golden

I'm glad I subbed in, too. It was so much fun seeing you all. I'll never forget your first game, even then you stood out. It was obvious you'd be a star! When I think of who I would call Greatest Civvie Ever, hands down, it's Golden.

And while, yes, we have had our epic one on ones, at the end of the day you have always been a friend. And re Survivor, don't feel bad, nobody trusts me

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm Day 3 Vote Poll
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Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Mr. Wednesday?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm

bea
0
No votes

Voters: None

DFaraday
0
No votes

Voters: None

DharmaHelper
1
4%

Voters: Elohcin

DrWilgy
0
No votes

Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes

Voters: None

G-Man
6
24%

Voters: DrWilgy, Michelle, Golden, Sloonei, Kate, Ricochet

Golden
1
4%

Voters: sig

Kate
1
4%

Voters: Quin

Michelle
1
4%

Voters: DFaraday

Quin
1
4%

Voters: G-Man

Scotty
0
No votes

Voters: None

sig
0
No votes

Voters: None

Sloonei
4
16%

Voters: Scotty, bea, S~V~S, Vivax

Viviax
0
No votes

Voters: None

Shadow (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
10
40%

Voters: Spacedaisy, thellama73, DharmaHelper, Sabiplz, juliets, MacDougall, Epignosis, nutella, Matahari, LoRab

Total votes: 25

Based on this poll voting Quin seems like a worse option now, of the two.
Maybe someone knows why I think that.

Since we’re running out of time, could ya be less mysterious?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:08 pm Matahari has switched to Vivax.

Y U do this

Looks like she’s voting for you now

I have to add her to my postgame WTF list with G Man.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:01 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:51 pm @S~V~S did you switch back to Michelle because you want the wagons to be close to even or you still suspect her more than Quin?
I think Michelle and Quin could be teammates, they never ever quoted or mentioned each other.

Wilgy moving his vote when he did freaked me a bit and made me question that. Like maybe Wilgy bad (I’ve been town reading him based on one post). I am ready willing and able to move votes back if a different consensus is reached.
Based on one post eh? Which post is that?
Where he came in and didn’t know that if replaced DH. He’s a hard read for me and his votes didn’t get my eye. Until now
Could it also be that he didn’t catch up appropriately and/or it wasn’t mentioned in mafia chat? I feel like that especially is NAI

What baddie doesn’t stop in chat if they’ve been out of thread most of the day? And DH was the main lynch target for day 3, it would be mentioned in the chat if he’s been replaced.

I thought it was AI, but I hate the timing of that vote move.

*I’d not if

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:01 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:51 pm @S~V~S did you switch back to Michelle because you want the wagons to be close to even or you still suspect her more than Quin?
I think Michelle and Quin could be teammates, they never ever quoted or mentioned each other.

Wilgy moving his vote when he did freaked me a bit and made me question that. Like maybe Wilgy bad (I’ve been town reading him based on one post). I am ready willing and able to move votes back if a different consensus is reached.
Based on one post eh? Which post is that?

Where he came in and didn’t know that if replaced DH. He’s a hard read for me and his votes didn’t get my eye. Until now

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:51 pm @S~V~S did you switch back to Michelle because you want the wagons to be close to even or you still suspect her more than Quin?

I think Michelle and Quin could be teammates, they never ever quoted or mentioned each other.

Wilgy moving his vote when he did freaked me a bit and made me question that. Like maybe Wilgy bad (I’ve been town reading him based on one post). I am ready willing and able to move votes back if a different consensus is reached.

I think two of the three wagons could be Mafia, pretty much all of us have been circling these three people.

But which two?

I have to go take a cake out of the oven and make dinner, I will be back in a bit, but in the meantime I'm moving my vote back to Michelle.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

The fact that Wilgy moved his vote for Michelle off right after the NP voter mover theirs TO Michelle is freaking me out a bit.

Linki @Scotty yeah I could see that

New snapshot, Matahari and Wilgy moved votes. @3:15

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Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:57 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:51 am Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty
Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

I've seen it done, more than once iirc, but not via thread vote. In our OG forums like the Piano, games with multiple rezzes, recruitments, etc. were the norm.

But you came back with somewhat different reads from when you left. As a civ, after I am NK I almost ALWAYS see the thread in a new light. Baddies usually don't. That's why I specifically asked why you thought they killed you, I was hoping you might have had an epiphany while in the afterlife.

If you are bad, you have my vote for Best Baddie Socky for sure.

@bea I'm still looking for it. If I can't find it, my brother has a copy and he said he'd email it to me when he gets home tomorrow.

TBH, I could still vote for any of the three.

I just did some searches within Michelles posts. Here is Quin. She never interacted with him or typed out his name.

There are a total of 12 posts with "Quin" in them, and ALL of them are other peoples mentions of him. The one time he appears as a quote is nested inside someone elses post she quotes, and it's a remark about English as a school subject.

Otherwise, all the other mentions are either becasue he is listed as a player in one of the poll snaps she posts, or someone else is talking about him in a post she quotes.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=659&ch=0

I also searched her for Golden, she has more connection with him. She quotes him directly, she interacts with him. Most of her discussion with him is asking that he clarify points, and defend herself from light suspicion on his end, like when he told me he agreed with me regarding my suspicion of her. The only time she typed out "Golden" was when she was asking about other players read on Golden in reply to one of Vivax' posts. That was last Monday, the 24th.

It all still looks like distancing somewhat, but but but

When I searched Quin for Michelle, there were only *7* hits, no direct mentions, he has not directly quoted her, or mentioned her in any context.

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=474&ch=0

I could vote for Quin. I will, actually. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

With all these people not posting or voting, the last few hours are gonna be fun.

It would be a good day to take lots of poll snapshots.

I don't think anything has changed since the last one someone posted, but this is as of 8:58 AM US East Coast Time (do we still have to update daylight savings in our profile here? I'll check mine after this post)

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Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:36 pm Oh thanks for the insight. Do we know whether they know what side they’re picking? For example, let’s say they see ‘svs or golden’? Or likely ‘town or mafia’?

The role says: Each night, you target a player. That player’s vote will not count during the following elim poll. Instead, a non-player will be allowed to cast a vote that will count in their place. The non-player will have the choice to gain BTSC with either you or the targeted player for that Day Phase. They may not speak about the game in the thread, but their vote in the poll will count instead of the player you targeted.

So I don’t know. But I presume they get to pick the affiliation based on the way the role is worded.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:35 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:30 pm I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.
Does choose = align with?

That was the term Golden used. This power is for one cycle, right? The NP voter, that’s what the NP Blue role says. It’s the NP choice who to gain BTS with.

I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced
It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.

You obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

Not me

I came into today with my projected baddie team being two of Golden, Quin and Michelle. I wanted to see where Golden/Quin went before I took a stand on that, but I wanted to vote for one of the three as at least a starting point.

And reading back, it would seem that Golden and Quin have been low level sparring much of the game. Not enough to catch major radar, but enough.

I'll be in and out.

@Scotty "hard mode" is exactly it. From the perspective of the way we used to play, role/info dumping was considered lazy play. If you couldn't eliminate your opponents without resorting to info in the thread, you needed to try harder. I am NOT saying this is so or that anyone thinks that anymore, just that this is the attitude we had, and it can be hard to break old habits. Infodumping was a modkillable offense depending on the host. Like not revealing NK's, etc. It makes it harder, it's more engaging, believe it or not.

Now really, putting down the phone

Well, I don't think you're infallible lol, @Scotty . I suspected G Man from the time I got in the door, I thought bea looked worse what can I tell you? You don't agree, it's a free thread.

Also gotta go send that cheesecake recipe to her. Later happy mafia players!

And @Golden that infallible remark on my part was directed to Scotty, not Sloonei.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 pm SVS I have a town read on you. It’s a town read I don’t trust because I never trust my read on you. But I trust Kate’s read on you.
G-man mentioned

DH, Scotty, Golden, Sloonei

Do you disagree with my suggestion on how to analyze G-Man‘s post ?
Cause you and Sloonei are a pairing that we have to lim into at some point, methinks.
What would you say if there were a max of only 1 baddie in DH/Golden/Sloonei and who would it be?

Golden. DH was a civ. I feel tons better about Sloonei. I am guessing you do, too?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:27 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Why is opening with a quote suspicious?
It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)
Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?
I stopped voting Quin based on sloonei’s vouching for a while. It took my eye off the ball.
And
Now?
oh right, you’re voting there.

I was mainly curious why he let it go. Just becasue he has a role in mind for Sloonei doesn't mean Slooneis reads are infallible.

I have to do IRL stuff for a bit, I will bbl. I have over 30 pages to go, not sure if that's gonna happen, but I'm gonna try to at least get to the point where I showed up

Linki @Scotty well, that's your opinion, I think you're a civ, I don't think you're infallible.

duh, it's in the same post lol nvm I searched "binning" not binned.

Golden I wasn't questioning the post, I just didn't know what nullbinning meant.

But I'm pretty sure that was the first time I saw it? Maybe he spelled it different or i missed it, ultra possible. I'm trying to read closely but with all the nested quotes it's hard.

I feel like one of those one man bands today. Sorry I'm making all these posts, I'll try to put stuff into one post instead. Linki glad to see more posting!

@Scotty , that's not how I remember it. This was my first post,

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:55 pm OK, glad to be here! I have been following the game, and have some pretty defined opinions. I work M-F 8-5, and am very unlikely to be able to post during those times, just an FYI.

First to clear up a few things. DH and i have played together for YEARS, as teammates, as adversaries, we played D&D together for a while. One thing I know about DH, when DH is bad, he takes his frustration to the chat. He's calm, he spends much more time playing nice when he's bad. I'm watching this classic thread derail (and again, this is something I know about, have derailed more than one thread with him and others) yelling at my monitor, "HE'S A CIV". @Kate I'm talking to you, I think that was a civ/civ situation. Classic.

And I have his role card now, and can guarantee you he was a civ. @DharmaHelper thanks for what you said in the Zero poll

OK, I am NOT a fan of naming civs, the baddies do get to NK people, but they also still have to lynch people. And if everyone thinks person X is civ, they can't lynch them, that cuts down their chances for opportunism. That said, in "Modern" (@Scotty )mafia, that apparently is not the case, so I will give general impressions of everyone. There are a few people I will not lynch, and I will work hard against a lynch wagon on any of them, should one form. And that's all I'm saying about that.

I left the dead on the list for my reasons. I will go between ped and sarc to make it easier to read. I have more firmly formed opinions on some than others.

Are the polls posted? I thought I saw them, but I'm not sure where they are. Can someone help a girl out? Also was there much voting without posting? I saw some discussion of it, but didn't really watch the poll while following.

THE AMAZING PLAYERS!
bea- Bea! Come out and play, I am not thrilled with the Bea I'm seeing. I know time is tight, but I am missing your insights. I could vote for her.
DFaraday- As always very quiet. I do know he is responsible when bad. If he's missing votes, not sure bad DF would do so. But it's been years, so I have to look at votes.
DharmaHelper-Such a civ it's a shame you all missed it.
DrWilgy-He's licking people? This seems like standard Wilgy chaos? I can never tell with him. What does his voting record look like?
Elohcin- I think she's likely civ, unless her game has changed tons (and iirc she said she doesn't play much?) I have nothing to question here.
fingersplints-I am curious about those saying Splints was most def civ, but saying Kate self targeted. What did Splints do that was so civvie? If the rez comes up, I'll be voting Llama as of now.
G-Man- I could vote here. I have seen both G men, bad and good, and he is a stellar civ, a self conscious baddie. Halloween weekend, he's a Dad. Give me more G, man. You're looking self conscious.
Golden-I am super conflicted here. He looks like civ Golden, he sounds like civ Golden, but his conclusions are very different than mine. So definite middle ground for me.
Kate- I KNOW Kate, and like DH, she would NEVER have that hissy thing in thread if she was bad. When she was OT'ed she was here like all the time. I would be amazed if she was bad
thellama73- I think he was a civ, and as of now, he has my rez vote should that be triggered.
Lorab- I am flummoxed that any pre-Syndicate old timey players suspected her. She always looks shady to those newer to her. Did Bea vote for her?
Michelle- I know i played with her once or so, I have zero impression of her here except "blendy". Those who know her, is this her norm? If not, I could vote here, too.
NotAnAxehole-I thought he was bad. I especially thought his suggestion of a firedrill was bad, but that could be my bias. I have to compare Vivax1 to Vivax2. Haven't done that yet.
Quin-TBH, quin/Scotty/Golden/Llama were all blending in for me a bit while I was following, I need to read him. I have no impression of him, and I should.
Scotty-I think he's probably a civ. I grossly misread him once, and the person I am seeing here is that person. Anyone have a recent Scotty bad game I could see?
sig- Blendy sig is blendy. Is this still the case? Not seeing anything overtly scary, I need opinions here.
Sloonei-I am not seeing the civ Sloonei I knew and feared, but he may have changed up his game? Could I see recent good/bads for him maybe?
Vivax- Like I said, I felt NAA was bad, but it was for mainly undefined reasons. Vivax seems more civ, but I need to do a read on him tbh

So where is everyone else at?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:35 pm Has anyone completed a recount of yesterday's vote and compiled the order? I'm not sure that's worded right... If not, does anyone plan to? I think yesterday's lynch could give us some valuable info.
This ^^ I could use some poll help, and it's a good way to get discussion going.

I also had another post where I said, "I need more G, Man." But I can't find it. I voted Bea becasue I suspected her

She is a close friend and I thought I could read her well, but I was wrong. Part of it is my own fault, you can't search my posts for "G-Man", since I usually write G Man without the little *-*. It was easier on my old phone, and I got in the habit.

@Golden I know it was aimed at Quin, not me. But what would the implication be of him ignoring me to focus on you? That we're teammates? That's how I read it. Thanks for the clarity, though.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?
I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.
Are you really nullbinning LoRab?

Nullbinning?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
Why is opening with a quote suspicious?
It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)
Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:47 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts

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After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.
DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts

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Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.
Eloh - 12 Posts
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Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.
Fingersplints - 13 Posts

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After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster[url] (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).

Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.
G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

Taking a break from my reads for now.

Here's a cleaner non-busted post

This post is stellar. Absolutely stellar.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:53 am Next question, could Elo/G-Man be w/w (hat's a question for the morning though).

For a 'non-productive' day one, I feel like I'm getting close to having a legit read on everyone (other than the low posters).

"w/w" = wolf/wolf?

Linki @Vivax thank you!

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:09 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:27 pm That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:38 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:22 pm I will also state for the record that I don't buy the suspicion on Sig. Feels too easy.
Sig is known miselimination fodder.

It is known, Khaleesi.

Though I’m seeing more support for sig as town than suspicion at this current juncture..
Bit too much whiteknighting on sig from Scottys part for my taste. I don't like that the initial argument became a secondary one in his reply to Llama. Scotty may be a bit too eager to parade the start of day role shenannies around that he based his sig townread on.

What does "white Knighting" mean? Is it defending?

G Man was buddying me, guaranteed. Read my interactions with him, not just his with me. This is why I don't love ISO's, they're half of a picture.

I'm still slogging along in my real time thread read which I should have done days ago.

I think sig looks OK, I have no strong reads on him either way. I'll look while I'm reading. His posts have overall improved since I last saw him, and this could be coloring my opinion. But so far nothing that hooked me. I play from "looking for bad behavior" rather than trying to clear civ behavior. I am seeing nothing bad, but I will try looking from the other perspective.

Linki, I'm getting there re Sloonei. And I think Wilgy is civ.

I am mostly through day 1, and having the knowledge of subsequent deaths is helping me to get a better feel, and regain a bit of confidence. I've always been a "bull in the china shop" type of civvie, and it's a shitty bull that lacks confidence, that isn't how you break china.

@Sloonei I have a MUCH better feel for you, and am going to accept the real possibility that the baddies were trying to paint a baddie target on you. You are definitely more tentative than I recall you being, but then so am I and so are alot of people in this thread. I have seen some stuff in Day 1 in context (this works for me soooo much better than ISO's) and a quick ISO of the time between than and where I came in, during day 3, that clarifies you for me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:25 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:20 pm Dharma, llama I think are town
weaker TR on Wilgy

Could be tempted to townbin scotty + axe, but will decide later. More chaotic and less calculated suggests town)
Agree about Llama, they passed the vibe test until now

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:11 pm Voting for a Day 1 low-poster is a last resort option in the absence of “real” suspects.
This

Yet ... yet .... you voted for a low poster, and your rationale (not even in your voting post)

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:33 am [VOTE: Dfaraday] aubergine

I know I will have to make a decision re Golden v. Quin, I have waffly feels re both Golden and Quin. Initially I had this "Baddie! Burn the Baddie!" thing going on in my head re Quin, but then when i realized why, and read him in context, that settled down and stopped coloring my reads. Then while I haven't felt a massively strong read on Golden, two things he's said, when he asked Kate if she was sure of me, then Kate dies that night. Then today, this:

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:56 am Also funny that you just 'breezed right past' SVS's comment and chose to focus on me.

I know it's "Not all about me" (a chasm many mafia players fall into, imo, thinking the thread play revolves around them, and it's a mistake I'm prone to at times). But But this really feels like the baddies knew they had to get rid of the both of us, and I'd be an easier lynch. Planting those seeds, man.

So re those two, I'm still not getting a clear thread on either, but they've swapped spaces in my head canon.

So imma drop a placeholder vote on [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine cause I also think she could be bad. I think her overall ISO is wishy, and reading in context she is self contradictory.

Although I do give her civvie props for the poll shapshots, super useful and a good town look, especially if you are trying to cultivate a town look.

So this is likely to change, as I said, I need to make a choice re Golden/Quin in my own mind.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:28 am RIP Kate. I really thought we were right about Bea. My problem in mafia is if I get one wrong, I start to question everything I'm thinking.
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.

So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.
RIP Kate

With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.

I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.

I look forward to hearing your opinions.

Because I think, as I have all game since my first post, that you are civ. It has been 3 people I my circle of trust since day one, Kate was NKed, Scotty was NKed, I was choosing to keep towncore closer to the vest.

But since you’re pointing it out, I think you’re a civ. That’s why I poked at Quin when he voted for you the other night.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:50 am You don't care that looking like you're trying to save bea could get heat on you.

You don't want to case Quin because it could could get heat on you.

Make it make sense.

I got up and read your ISO and decided I misread you, and I know why. I paid attention to the Lorab vote, I followed parts of that in real time. And as a *non player* I loathed the tone you took with her and that colored my reads of you going forward. And you fell off a bit after that. But that’s where “snarky one liners” came from

Looking at things you said in ISO, I found myself constantly clicking into the thread. So I’ll be around today but I’m going to try to read days 1 & 2 organically because that’s easier for me to get a feel for than ISOs. I’ll probably comment on it as I go along , y’all tag me if you need me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:24 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.

So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.
RIP Kate

With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.

I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.

I look forward to hearing your opinions.
Thanks SVS

Implicating wagons aside, do you think Sloonei in a vacuum has behaved uncivlike?

Well, my feels on Sloonei are hard to explain. My read on him is based on what may be an outdated model. I found the Sloonei I knew to be a super aggressive civ to the point that I found him intimidating even when I was a civ, he was straightforward and data driven. Two things I am not lol. I have not seen that person, and the absence of that person is what led me to suspect him in the first place.

And it’s the exact same reason I suspected Bea. As I said, I’m having a crisis of confidence.

Then G Man appears to have suicided to save him. So on one hand I want to push my own thoughts aside, on the other .,. I dunno.

I’m tired and confused and sad Kate was taken out right after Bea, so I’m going to bed.

linki That’s why I hate obvious town reads being announced, but it also has benefits. I was hoping you would be able to point at a post or thing you said that might have, in retrospect, triggered them. I know that has happened to me a few times

I thought people who missed votes were the ones who were insanified?

*Well not we’ll

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:49 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:05 pm @Sloonei i have confidence loss after Bea flipped civ. So I am stating a fact, I don’t understand it but I’m open to perspectives.

What are you thinking of Quin, Michelle and Golden? They are all POE for me and they shouldn’t be at this point.
Let’s pretend I have no thoughts until I have read their ISOs.

We’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.

Also @Scotty why do you think you were NKed?

@Sloonei i have confidence loss after Bea flipped civ. So I am stating a fact, I don’t understand it but I’m open to perspectives.

What are you thinking of Quin, Michelle and Golden? They are all POE for me and they shouldn’t be at this point.

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