The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:01 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:56 am Did anybody else try to mutiny?
Yes, DH, sprityo, INH and you. Four people.

So close.

Did anybody else try to mutiny?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:04 pm Most of the thanks need to go to juliets, who is just an amazing cohost. This can’t be understated. I created the setup, but she did most of the work.

Thanks to both you and [mention]juliets[/mention], even though I literally never had to submit a PM.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:59 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:57 pm good work civs.

this game was a mess for me. i had no idea how to use my first role effectively and pretty much screwed myself by sending a cryptic bullshit message to Scotty early on. I needed him dead before my first role flipped and it never happened cus he was always safe. plus I fucked up by killing during the tribe switch night painting myself into a corner. I should have gone with my instincts and just done nothing
That kill did you in, I think. I wasn’t gonna look your way for a while if the PIka2 hunt hadn’t brought us there. You were doing pretty great at appearing like yourself, I thought.

I agree, it was almost pure PoE that led me to vote Kyle.

Yay team!

I'm still kinda surprised I didn't get lynched. I read Epi's case on me and was like "damn I can't really argue with any of that."

*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme*

[VOTE: boomslang] aubergine

EBWOP

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:39 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:35 pm

"I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us..."

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:39 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:35 pm

"I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us..."

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:38 pm

Y’all try posting entirely on your phones and see what shit falls though the cracks. Thank you and good night

I do! Usually it's just talking about good lunches.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:57 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:54 pm I called Boomslang yuck a while ago. Can I join the "I was right all along" circlejerk?
You'll need tweezers if you sit to Sloonei's left.
Is this a duck size joke that im just missing?

I refuse to put up with such mallardkey.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:35 am Colonialbob is among the least likely Even candidates IMO. He’s someone I’d actively campaign to save right now.

Me too!

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:48 pm Is there any possibility niju, Jack, svs, or DH was even?
Um, do you think there is any possibility that SVS is Even?
Or nijuu, for that matter.

Like is this an actual thought out question?
I don't really think SVS was even.

I don't know a lot about nijuu, and almost nothing about Jack. I remember DH being LC-friendly.
SVS most definitely revealed Speedchuck on D7. For someone that was widely suspected as being Even, that would be a shitty move on an Even-aligned SVS if Speedchuck were anything but civ. Maaaaybe if she were super sure speed was Strex, but even then..naw. She was not even.

And nijuu? If you recall, nijuu’s civ role was revealed on D12. It’s not a far cry to suppose that Sloonei 1.0 copied SVS’ power and at some point used it on nijuu D12. Which would even further explain why he was so adamant that he didn’t get lynched D15...so maybe he could continually use a literal cop power every other day.

duh.

What about Jack/DH?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:12 pm What is the purpose of figuring out if dead people are bad? Can you lynch any of them?

It might help PoE-wise.

Alternatively, we could continue sitting around rehashing the same things we've been saying for the past 3 or 4 days.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:48 pm Is there any possibility niju, Jack, svs, or DH was even?
Um, do you think there is any possibility that SVS is Even?
Or nijuu, for that matter.

Like is this an actual thought out question?

I don't really think SVS was even.

I don't know a lot about nijuu, and almost nothing about Jack. I remember DH being LC-friendly.

Is there any possibility niju, Jack, svs, or DH was even?

Welp.

[VOTE: kylemii[/kylemii]

Not making the same mistake twice.

As for other evens... brb diving. Hope I don't drown.] aubergine

Serves you right for betting against the Rangers.

There was discussion that Dom was opposite alignment from LC and that's why he spoke up about the slip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:52 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:41 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:57 pm Why didn’t cbob vote
Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

That's not good enough. This is the Game of Champions.

I don't see how you could be indecisive. It's Day 17. You voted Kylemii last time. If this was a super lazy Sunday, you could have voted. You were here and you posted.

You are either bad or an independent and not a civilian.

Sure, I'm not saying it was a good thing. I was indecisive because I had suspicions of both. I was here, then I went away, did stuff, took the dog for a walk, and then crap it was an hour after deadline.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:27 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:08 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:07 pmhuh, cool.
So what do we do tomorrow?
are you asking "what will we do" or "what should we do"?
I’m asking you what you think is our best course of action will be moving forward.
i guess it depends a little on whether strexcorp has truly been eliminated or not

if yes then that means all that's left is the evens, i think unfortunately the most pragmatic decision is to lynch me. considering the fact that like.... basically every player in that PoE pool has become united against me, so I don't see anyone moving past it until after I'm dead.

I'd still put money on it being Scotty, despite what Epi says. I don't trust the way he keeps wavering on me, especially right before when I was about to be lynched.

Do you think Strexcorp has been eliminated?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:57 pm Why didn’t cbob vote

Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

But yay Strex, I agree they're almost certainly gone. Kyle tomorrow I think. Will be interesting to see whether there's a kill tonight (I'm assuming yes).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:13 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:02 pm Does anyone think
The game will end once we lynch
Kyle and INH?
I think it's 4 and 4, so unless one of the two life people is slated to transform, no.

Today seems to be a choice between the PoE'd Kyle or the potentially last of his kind INH. Although FWIW I would kind of expect the Evens to start killing every night were Strex to be eliminated.
Who would be Kyle’s last
remaining teammate? Which tribe
might they have been in?

Tinfoil answer: Scotty. I'd have to do some digging/investigating/thinking to make up my mind elsewise.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:02 pm Does anyone think
The game will end once we lynch
Kyle and INH?

I think it's 4 and 4, so unless one of the two life people is slated to transform, no.

Today seems to be a choice between the PoE'd Kyle or the potentially last of his kind INH. Although FWIW I would kind of expect the Evens to start killing every night were Strex to be eliminated.

more like KyLesMis amirite

[mention]Scotty[/mention] you make a compelling inh case.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:55 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 pm please consider the scenario where I am lynched on day 17 and flip civ. what player would you most prioritize looking at during day 18?
i would appreciate a few more answers this please

thank you

love,
Kyle

Looking at? Spacedaisy. I haven't had much personal interaction so I would want to investigate further. Sloonei would be the GTH vote though... although I could be convinced to vote INH/boomslang (if you're civ the cross-thread kill theory bumps up a bit in my book).

[mention]Scotty[/mention] I have the same feelings on INH (see my previous post I think). I'll chalk up your ignoring me to that appletini.

I think that for now I will [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine.

I'm having a hard time buying INH's activity as a scum play. Seems needlessly antagonistic. Maybe it's a ballsy play by a scummer with nothing to lose? Does anybody think INH makes that play? I guess it more or less fits the way he's been playing all game...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:06 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:01 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:57 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 pm And do you have a problem with my defense of Scotty?
Both your defense and my attack of Scotty rely on mucho assumptions. I think that those assumptions aside, his in-thread content points more to him being bad. I'd hope that people would read his stuff and my analysis of his stuff and come to the same conclusion.
You don't think he's Strex. You think he killed himself when nutella and Long Con could have killed me or S~V~S (they did end up killing her) or any number of wonderful people on Pikachu.

Your perspective is that despite all that, Long Con and nutella said, "Sure Scotty, go ahead and kill yourself Night 2, burn your first life, show yourself to be an originally evil insanifier from BSG which, at this stage of the game, won't look good for you, and then carry on as you were."

Come on man. That team is a mess. It isn't that big of a mess.
I get the feeling that I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change my mind, despite both of us understanding each other's viewpoints.
Is the red in fact your perspective?
sure man whatever

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:06 pm I also feel like kyle's behavior yesterday reflecte how I'd expect a vulnerable scum to treat yesterday's lynch. There was a civilian bandwagon (yo) which became his singular focus. His focus was not just singularly on me, but also singular to one particular issue about me.

I would expect a hypothetical baddie in kyle's shoes to want to be able to provide justification when they cast their vote to push out the civilian. Kyle did thid by picking out one talking point that was prevalent in the thread about me and proceeded to lock in and bury me with it. He denied that Daisy's alignment matterer at all, despite claiming to be profoundly concerned with my treatment of her. If he was genuinely concerned and confused, I would expect him to want to consider all possible aspects of the issue. Instead I got the sense that kyle only wanted to talk about the parts that could be construed to make me look bad.

This is a more convincing case on Kyle. I'll reread the day to see how much I agree but this lime of reasoning clicks with me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:41 pm I'm also going to call attention to the shift in kyle's attitude from yesterday to today. Yesterday he prioritized self-preservation in his vote for me:
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:02 pm voting for [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for self preservation I guess, and also in the hopes that he's the pika2 killer
Today he is willing to play the sacrificial lamb:
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:10 am i don't mind going first if it's necessary for PiE
I also still have unanswered questions about the actual motivation for his vote yesterday. When it came time to place it, he emphasized self-preservation and a vague prayer about my potential badness (yuck). But he also spent some time picking up on one particular talking point about me and framing it negatively. We had a lengthy exchange about this after the day, but I never got a clear sense of whether he was actually suspicious of me at the time of his vote. It seemed to me like he wanted there to be justification for his inevitable sloonei vote, but has been unable to produce any.

I don't feel this is as damning as you do. Self-pres is alignment neutral, and your flip was a significant event that I can see townie Kyle saying "ok Sloonei is good, I can accept getting lynched to prove Scotty is bad" whereas before it was still between you and Scotty if civ Kyle goes first, so giving himself up isn't as helpful.

All that said I'm still putting him top priority of the pika2 crew.

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, Scotty and Sloonei are being cleared from Strex due to pressure/voting, correct?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:00 pm Holding an AMA for myself because I love attention. I’ll answer anything to the best of my ability, so shoot

For POE purposes why shouldn't we just lynch you first, because we'll have an answer today instead of after two days?

(Also nobody bussed Speedchuck because he was town)

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:22 am LOL @ Boom
I'm no even. I destroyed
Long Con. But good try.
Long Con destroyed himself with the slip. As Quin pointed out in Pikachu, "No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit."

But the slip had been out there for a while and several people had posted about other stuff before Dom questioned it. I don't buy a Dom/LC bus at all.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:55 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:17 pm what was the case on cbob? I'm not positive I read the latter half of the last day phase
His first role was mafia as fuck and he played in a way that capitalized on it.

That's why I've wanted to loynch him so far. I kind of stopped thinking of it a few times but that feeling never left.
this is bad reasoning.

also please explain how i capitalized on it, how am i supposed to stop people voting for me in a game where I can't infodrop?
Your activity Day 1-6 was crap.

You made one post suggesting to vote for someone else but it wasn't that strong. You could have insisted more.

You justified it on FE time conflict, but I never felt completely satisfied with it.
That has nothing to do with my role (and I also feel like isn't really true).

And
this
is
just
false.
I'm not sure those posts do what you think they do.

They show I indicated people should not just give up and vote me multiple times, which was exactly what I wanted them to do.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:55 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:17 pm what was the case on cbob? I'm not positive I read the latter half of the last day phase
His first role was mafia as fuck and he played in a way that capitalized on it.

That's why I've wanted to loynch him so far. I kind of stopped thinking of it a few times but that feeling never left.
this is bad reasoning.

also please explain how i capitalized on it, how am i supposed to stop people voting for me in a game where I can't infodrop?
Your activity Day 1-6 was crap.

You made one post suggesting to vote for someone else but it wasn't that strong. You could have insisted more.

You justified it on FE time conflict, but I never felt completely satisfied with it.

That has nothing to do with my role (and I also feel like isn't really true).

And
this
is
just
false.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:00 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:48 am it literally says right there in the post you quoted that the thing that bugged me was the discrepancy in your treatment of Scooty and SD
Yes. I know. My point is that I still don't see why this was suspicious in the first place. You're just saying that it bugs you. I don't know why.

And I'm trying to understand why you voted for me beyond self-preservation. I'm struggling. You've referenced this, and you've referenced that you felt vaguely bad about me, but then you've also said that you were just trying to dispute my claims about my behavior needing to be civilian-indicative. I'm not sure what your thought process was at the end of this last day phase.

was I genuinely suspicious, or was I not? what were the reasons one way or the other?
when i see people propping themselves up on faulty arguments it irks my buttons. it looks bad. that's what i saw happening with you. you were saying "I would only do ____ things as a civ and never as a mafia" even though there was still clear benefit to doing those things as mafia. it wasn't the fact that you did the things at all but the fact that you insisted that they were things only a civ Sloonei would do that irked me, along with the contradictions in your treatment of Scotty versus Sloonei in your PoE list. I thought your dismissing SD from any possibility of being sprityo's killer despite her being basically in the same category as Scotty was contradictory and a sign of you not caring about the roof at best, and opportunism at worst. the possibility of SD being removed from your pool because of background knowledge didn't occur to me until like 10 minutes before the end of day.

This is the part I feel you've been kinda overlooking, [mention]Sloonei[/mention]. It's the flip side of your "people weren't considering reasons I could be doing this things as civ" argument. I don't blame you for being hot, but I think it was an understandable lynch (of course I voted for it, so).

Aside: I hate no info-dumping rules.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:17 pm what was the case on cbob? I'm not positive I read the latter half of the last day phase
His first role was mafia as fuck and he played in a way that capitalized on it.

That's why I've wanted to loynch him so far. I kind of stopped thinking of it a few times but that feeling never left.

this is bad reasoning.

also please explain how i capitalized on it, how am i supposed to stop people voting for me in a game where I can't infodrop?

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:14 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:40 pm
Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:01 pm So... Are we just going to forget that we almost lynched cbob yesterday?
Out of an extremely limited pool of suspects?

Also we also almpst lynched you, didn't we? Are we just going to forget about that as well?
NO U Vote colonialbob aubergine.

that's not what that means

like, at all

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:49 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:44 pm SVS's case against me, for instance, is a collection of questionable behavior from me. She's been astute to observe all of these things, it's nice to know someone is paying attention to me. But I fail to see how she puts all the pieces together to make me bad. I just look weird.
If you could redirect the lynch to anybody, who would it be?

If I were to promise to change my vote to a player you named, who would it be? (I'm not promising to do that, FWIW, I consider my vote fairly locked)
Kyle, due to process of elimination. I agree that he's given no strong reason to read him as bad, but if there is a baddie in the group we're looking at, he's got the least working in his favor.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:44 pm SVS's case against me, for instance, is a collection of questionable behavior from me. She's been astute to observe all of these things, it's nice to know someone is paying attention to me. But I fail to see how she puts all the pieces together to make me bad. I just look weird.

If you could redirect the lynch to anybody, who would it be?

If I were to promise to change my vote to a player you named, who would it be? (I'm not promising to do that, FWIW, I consider my vote fairly locked)

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] believe me I understand how you're feeling right now if you're civ. But I have to pursue my reads, and Epi/Scotty/SD have given me reason to believe they're civ, while Kyle hasn't given me reason to believe he's mafia, and you have. It's not a super strong reason, but its stronger than anything else I've got at the moment.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:01 pm So... Are we just going to forget that we almost lynched cbob yesterday?

Out of an extremely limited pool of suspects?

Also we also almpst lynched you, didn't we? Are we just going to forget about that as well?

Well that's weird.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:44 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:36 pm Why did scum sloonei campaign to save scotty and push to lynch kyle for multiple phases in a row, even when kyle wasn't on the poll?
Kyle has multiple lives, and so a campaign to eliminate him ties up the thread longer than a campaign to eliminate Scotty does.

Campaigning to save Scotty may lead to warm fuzzies from Scotty and help improve scum Sloonei's prospects.

Appearing as if one doesn't care who is lynched is scummy, so taking a position is often a good scum play.

So there's several possible reasons, I think. (To be clear: none of these things are why people should be suspicious of Sloonei. They're just reasonable explanations of why a thing Sloonei has done is compatible with him being scum.)
This is actually a good answer.
None of it actually applies to my motives, but it makes sense.

Care to offer any insight into kyle's activities in this game?

Kyle feels similar to FE Kyle - asking questions, providing some good thoughts (see his questioning of you), but also not really getting stuck in and arguing on topics. I can still buy him as bad, but it's for negative reasons (lack of civ signifiers) rather than positive reasons (e.g. your SD read bit this phase).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:44 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:36 pm Why did scum sloonei campaign to save scotty and push to lynch kyle for multiple phases in a row, even when kyle wasn't on the poll?
Kyle has multiple lives, and so a campaign to eliminate him ties up the thread longer than a campaign to eliminate Scotty does.

Campaigning to save Scotty may lead to warm fuzzies from Scotty and help improve scum Sloonei's prospects.

Appearing as if one doesn't care who is lynched is scummy, so taking a position is often a good scum play.

So there's several possible reasons, I think. (To be clear: none of these things are why people should be suspicious of Sloonei. They're just reasonable explanations of why a thing Sloonei has done is compatible with him being scum.)
This is actually a good answer.
None of it actually applies to my motives, but it makes sense.

Care to offer any insight into kyle's activities in this game?

Kyle feels similar to FE Kyle - asking questions, providing some good thoughts (see his questioning of you), but also not really getting stuck in and arguing on topics. I can still buy him as bad, but it's for negative reasons (lack of civ signifiers) rather than positive reasons (e.g. your SD read bit this phase).

He's probably somebody to ISO tonight though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:36 pm Why did scum sloonei campaign to save scotty and push to lynch kyle for multiple phases in a row, even when kyle wasn't on the poll?

Kyle has multiple lives, and so a campaign to eliminate him ties up the thread longer than a campaign to eliminate Scotty does.

Campaigning to save Scotty may lead to warm fuzzies from Scotty and help improve scum Sloonei's prospects.

Appearing as if one doesn't care who is lynched is scummy, so taking a position is often a good scum play.

So there's several possible reasons, I think. (To be clear: none of these things are why people should be suspicious of Sloonei. They're just reasonable explanations of why a thing Sloonei has done is compatible with him being scum.)

EBWOP ironically, not oddly.

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