The Syndicate

I will add it in later tonight.

Why do you think I included it? We work hard on these damn banners!

Golden helped me refine an idea I had and it really made the difference. I think my way would have been confusing.

Here you go folks!

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:23 am Someone let us know when they are ready please! I will wear this banner with pride!

Working on them now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 4:04 pm Nutella votes elo, votes elsewhere, and when all is laid out, votes Elo again but is still pulling for a different lynch of me. That’s what I’m seeing. Do I have my rosy glasses on or are other people seeing this!?

I'm pretty sure most of us are seeing it. I've been saying Elo/Nutella are teammates since I think N1, but at least D2.

Jay your videos keep cutting off the last thing you are saying.

Jack, I wasn't trying to frame the dead players but now I kind of wish I was, lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:44 pm

You're mixing up me and nutella. She shared that she found it and it led to Marmot. I looked into it from an Admin point of view because it concerned me, and still does. Glitches in the board usually mean we have set something up incorrectly and it is confusing the forum. I was just sharing what I found which was to say, that it seems to just be a glitch, not some kind of clue.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:36 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:18 pm @JaggedJimmyJay - why did you choose to redirect Eloh's actions to speedchuck?

Your mic is just so much better than mine.

I liked hearing your voice Jack. Also, you kind of sound similar to Jay.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 1:37 pm

#helping

Personally, I'm not stressing myself much over the sock puppets. I figure they are intended to distract us. Not sure if we can know for sure if it is another player or the host himself so I just kind of ignore them. too much WIFOM trying to figure those out.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:54 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:51 am@Turnip Head She's distancing, of course she is going to say she wants to go through with a lynch of Elo.

Then I'd rather lynch nutella first tbh

I have no problem with this.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:42 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:14 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:08 pm People can make all the reads they want.

What I see from dunya is an unwillingness to let other strong personalities drive the town narrative.

In particular, the 'you pick your role, not your affiliation' line that she's trotting out multiple times is terrible. I've pointed out to her how you can use your choice of role to influence your likely affiliation, and she wrote it off with a dismissal. For a town player who asks a lot of questions, that ought to have been a feast for thought and an avenue for genuine consideration and prodding.

i wrote it off because mac uses a randomizer. why are you trying to distract us into theorizing about whether mac handpicked scum teams? eh no thx. that's lame. mother teresa could be on the scum team for all i care and i'm not budging from that. if you're so concerned about it, why don't you push that conversation into the thread? why are you acting like i'm silencing you? it's ridiculous.

i don't buy your arguments. i don't buy your logic. i don't buy your fake outrage. you're a bad bullshitter. but pls consider that a compliment cos you were an amazing townie last game.

Gotta say I agree with dunya here, although I don't recall what the original disagreement here looked like. Not saying it's never happened, but handpicking who the scum are based on the deliberately weird role they submitted would be a supremely strange mod decision and out of line with at least every game I've played.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:25 pm I’m not saying Eloh directly picked her role. But her role had an obvious Mafia connotation, IF it is that. Certain roles in the game probably do. Mine does. So it’s possible she’s telling the truth. It doesn’t stop her from being scum, and I never said it did.

Eloh is very far away from a townread for me, so go ahead and lynch her. But let’s not just have 25 people on one wagon, right? That’s as much a wasted day as any.

Someone tell me I'm not the only one that sees a problem with Colin? He says, I meant alignement when i was talking to Golden. WTF do you think he is saying here? And tell me how it's different if it's the power not the alignment. It's not. Colin is scrambling and he is contradicting himself in the process and I do not understand people defending him as town right now!

[mention]nutella[/mention] First he says it wouldn't make sense for the role we chose to have influenced the alignment we get. Then he says Elo's role has an obvious mafia connotation. When I started pressing him about this, his response was the game so far has changed his mind. But what in the game would possibly change your mind about this? Especially when it was established as a direct result of the first back and forth between dunya and Golden that Mac randomized alignments regardless of roles. Disregard the conversation about your role influencing what power you got. This alone looks like someone scrambling because they got caught defending a teammate.

Not that I expect you to agree with me since I believe you are right there with her too.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] She's distancing, of course she is going to say she wants to go through with a lynch of Elo.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] It's not as if the only person we are talking about is Elo. We have also discussed you, Nutella, and Speedchuck.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:27 am why are we going to lynch elohcin if we believe her claim?

srs question to relevant ppl

I don't believe her claim. I think it was conveniently timed, it was clear a fair number of people wanted to lynch her during the last Day phase when we couldn't, she 48 hours to come up with that fake claim.

For the record I don't doubt Elo could have come up with Tardigrade, I just don't believe she did.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:48 am @Spacedaisy it's a pretty clear difference. When we submitted roles to Mac he had to draw some thematic connection from it into a role power, so role choices with distinct themes that translate well to mafia could easily have influenced what Mac decided the abilities are. Whereas he confirmed that alignments were totally randomized separately from the role creation (though to be fair I actually don't know whether he randomized alignments before or after designing the abilities).

Colin contradicted what he said directly. He said with what Golden put forward he couldn't imagine a person's role choice influencing their alignment and turned around and said the opposite. And I disagree that one is more likely than the other.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:14 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 7:08 pm People can make all the reads they want.

What I see from dunya is an unwillingness to let other strong personalities drive the town narrative.

In particular, the 'you pick your role, not your affiliation' line that she's trotting out multiple times is terrible. I've pointed out to her how you can use your choice of role to influence your likely affiliation, and she wrote it off with a dismissal. For a town player who asks a lot of questions, that ought to have been a feast for thought and an avenue for genuine consideration and prodding.

i wrote it off because mac uses a randomizer. why are you trying to distract us into theorizing about whether mac handpicked scum teams? eh no thx. that's lame. mother teresa could be on the scum team for all i care and i'm not budging from that. if you're so concerned about it, why don't you push that conversation into the thread? why are you acting like i'm silencing you? it's ridiculous.

i don't buy your arguments. i don't buy your logic. i don't buy your fake outrage. you're a bad bullshitter. but pls consider that a compliment cos you were an amazing townie last game.

Gotta say I agree with dunya here, although I don't recall what the original disagreement here looked like. Not saying it's never happened, but handpicking who the scum are based on the deliberately weird role they submitted would be a supremely strange mod decision and out of line with at least every game I've played.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:25 pm I’m not saying Eloh directly picked her role. But her role had an obvious Mafia connotation, IF it is that. Certain roles in the game probably do. Mine does. So it’s possible she’s telling the truth. It doesn’t stop her from being scum, and I never said it did.

Eloh is very far away from a townread for me, so go ahead and lynch her. But let’s not just have 25 people on one wagon, right? That’s as much a wasted day as any.

Someone tell me I'm not the only one that sees a problem with Colin? He says, I meant alignement when i was talking to Golden. WTF do you think he is saying here? And tell me how it's different if it's the power not the alignment. It's not. Colin is scrambling and he is contradicting himself in the process and I do not understand people defending him as town right now!

I'm so glad you're here Charlie

Listening to Jay's video I feel like i should be voting to lynch the Cavs.

Whatever man. You aren't the fish I want to fry first anyway. But I do not trust you any longer.

And you think it IS possible that she picked her POWER? This makes zero sense Colin.

Linki [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] Let me paraphrase

Golden in Day 0/1: "I think people could pick really towny looking role names in order to get a town alignment."

dunya in Day 0/1: "Mac wouldn't do that, this doesn't make sense!"

Colin Day 0/1: "I agree with dunya, that doesn't make sense."

Elo Day 3: "I picked my role because I know always get mislynched."

Colin Day 3: "That makes sense to me."

I mostly trusted you until that statement, it makes no sense with what you've previously said in this very thread. you actually argued with Golden over this.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:12 pm Colin is like the towniest person in the thread imo

The explain to me why he didn't believe our role names would influence what Mac created when Golden said it, but when elo said it he seems to think it makes sense?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:03 pm A lot of people said they believed him. Long Con for one.

But not you! Now all of sudden you seem to have a reversal of opinion. You are on a team with Elo.

dissented, is that even a word? I'm fired up right now, sorry.

linki [mention]motel room[/mention] Colin sided with dunya when she and goldedn were going abck ahnd forth. Golden said he thought people could pick a certain role to try and get a certain alingment. dunya said there was no way Mac would create the roles that way. Colin sided with dunya.

Wolbre went on and on about boob quest and Colin questioned how that would work in a game where player's picked their own roles.

Why does a guy who is skeptical about these kind of claims (and in his first one I think said the opposite from what he is saying now) suddenly seem ok with her claim?

I would liek to see Colin, Nutella and Elo trains today

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:50 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:49 pm Scum are going to have such an easy time bandwagoning on Eloh with a lead like that for now, no matter what her alignment is. We can do more.

VOTE NUTELLA, VERY DISRESPECTFUL YOUNG LADY!

I'm ok with this too, but with the way Colin dissented to Golden's early game comments and to boob quest, I feel pretty sure right now Elo and Colin are teammates.

I still believe nutella and elo are on a team, so I'm leaning elo, nutella and Colin.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:48 pm I thought the purpose of this game was that everyone picked their own roles. It's in the name.

Roles. Not power.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:32 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:24 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:21 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:03 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:01 pm Day just started and I have so many votes already. You are wasting your votes guys. I won't die.

How come?

It's part of my role. If you know me, you know I have a tendency to be mislynched. This happens because I do a lot of stupid stuff to make me look bad, or so people say. So...knowing this, I asked Mac if I could be a tardigrade. He said yes.

https://www.rd.com/culture/tardigrades- ... e-species/

So you are telling me you basically picked your role power? Now I definitely don't believe you.

#Seconded

again, no...I picked who I was. Mac made wrote my role power.

You said you picked it because you were frequently mislynched. Which would mean you picked being able to not be lynched. I don't believe you.

I can't see that any changes have been made to that thread from the time when it was started and the only person who was using the ACP since Sunday was MP, so the Soulkeeper name showing up as the creator of that thread is a mystery that I can only say must be a glitch and probably means nothing to this game. Mac has apparently cursed our site with his demonic sock puppets. Way to go Mac.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:21 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:03 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:01 pm Day just started and I have so many votes already. You are wasting your votes guys. I won't die.

How come?

It's part of my role. If you know me, you know I have a tendency to be mislynched. This happens because I do a lot of stupid stuff to make me look bad, or so people say. So...knowing this, I asked Mac if I could be a tardigrade. He said yes.

https://www.rd.com/culture/tardigrades- ... e-species/

So you are telling me you basically picked your role power? Now I definitely don't believe you.

Upon some research.... I think this one is a glitch. A very creepy glitch though and I don't know why it would do that. If you click on Soulkeeper it takes you to Marmot's profile and the OP in the thread shows as Marmot, it doesn't make much sense.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 10:01 pm Day just started and I have so many votes already. You are wasting your votes guys. I won't die.

"I won't die" not "I'm not bad"

Forgive me if I find it hard to believe you.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 9:50 pm I think that's a forum glitch btw, I've seen a couple times when a thread was started by a regular user and it retroactively changes to a sock name. Idk man.

No, the poster can be changed by a mod or admin I believe.

Also, I've been waiting 48 hours to do this:

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Oh I see we've infiltrated by the Antichrist and A Soulkeeper? Where are we exactly?

[mention]dunya[/mention] welcome back!

linki: That's your problem.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 8:53 pm Have fun with the portal guys! See you next game.

This death has hurt me. I had hoped all the suspicion around him would have allowed him to live, but nooooooooo.

[mention]sig[/mention] Yes I was put in Time Out for posting after We were told not to. I didn't know that it was locked at the time because I was quoting and commenting on old stuff as I was catching up, so I apologize for doing that guys.

BY the way, where is the "someone" who replaced Kenway?

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 4:24 pm Hey, people say stuff all game to remind me how not fun I am to play with, so whatever man i'll do what I want.

Nah you're super fun to play with, except for when you lynch, nightkill, or do anything mean to me, I'm just messing around.

I was being sarcastic jokey too. I didn't take any insult from what you said.

Hey, people say stuff all game to remind me how not fun I am to play with, so whatever man i'll do what I want.

I'm a stargate fan and the host tells us we aren't taking this game flippantly enough, so Stargate it is!

Lap! you dodged a bullet!

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 7:47 pm whew Elohcin helloo happy to see you

How do you feel about Elo right now lapluie?

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 11:21 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 11:20 pmwhatd I miss

I caught a baddie through apathy/poe and bravely lynched them for the good of the town.

Good job jack, always can trust u !!!

Do you trust him now?

Any reads you have? town or bad?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:42 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:49 pm Jay, I will admit to being concerned about Jay tunnelling dunya in Day 1, I have been nervous that they are teammates. MP and I would totally play it that way, going after each other hard from early. That knowledge may be causing this fear. Also he wanted to talk to death the statistics yesterday for the options. I felt like this conversation went on for much longer than needed, distracting from suspicions and he was a chief culprit in this.

After Fire Emblem and Ancient Greece, I am not going to let a single thing slide with dunya. If there is any minuscule thing in a post she makes that I think can be questioned, I am going to question it. She will answer for everything. I will not leave her alone. I will not give her a break. I will not be nice. Her posts will have to be pristine picture perfect, or else I will be commenting in some capacity.

I think the night poll was a very important decision, and so I dedicated a lot of time and effort to discussing it. A few of the options were patently anti-civilian, and the option that attracted me most was a point of significant controversy. If I believe in something, people are going to going to come to know it by heart. I don't shut up.

You don't hold world records for any arcade games.

I don't have a problem with you going after dunya and not letting up. But I find it worrisome when it seems to be the only thing you are interested in.

Not upset was just confused.

Why do you need a definitive deadline? Can't you share your thoughts anytime?

Ugh, I am struggling with this lynch. I feel like I should be more confident in one of these people being bad.

Kyle, I think is civ

DDL, has been up front about his role and I see no reason to lynch him right now. I believe his claim atm.

Lunalee, I think is civ

Sprityo, I'm unsure, his reaction seemed very real. But mafia can get upset too.

Colin, in looking over his ISO I found somethings that seemed good (the way the back and forth with Golden ended for instance) and somethings that didn't make sense to me (He dropped his questioning of Quin's vote when Quin answered "because that's where I put it." ??? Why didn't he push more?)

Jack, I have felt he is playing fast and loose, it doesn't strike me as particularly baddie approach, but I don't know Jack well enough. Anyone who has played a lot with him please give an opinion on Jack?

Jay, I will admit to being concerned about Jay tunnelling dunya in Day 1, I have been nervous that they are teammates. MP and I would totally play it that way, going after each other hard from early. That knowledge may be causing this fear. Also he wanted to talk to death the statistics yesterday for the options. I felt like this conversation went on for much longer than needed, distracting from suspicions and he was a chief culprit in this.

Lilefer, new person but hasn't posted since Saturday. If we are going with the idea someone will get mod killed after too long of inactivity, this seems like a prime candidate.

At this point I feel least confident in sprityo, Lilefer, Jack and Jay. But Jay and Jack and are around and contributing. Lilefer and sprityo aren't. I'm hoping sprityo cools down and returns, but there is no indication why Lilefer disappeared. I think I'll toss my vote there.

[VOTE: Lilefer] aubergine

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 5:25 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 4:45 pmOkay...so I have been reading a lot. And If I really get my head in this game now, I will have to say that this is the pingiest post of those who are eligible for a vote. Knowing he could be voted off, Kyle writes a post that lists his thoughts on all the other players -a cut and dry, formality-type post rather than really trying to convince us we ought not vote him.

eloh I don't understand your angle here. that post was a collection of my notes that I was making while reading through each player individually and also catching up.

I don't understand the argument that I should have focused on defending myself and convincing people not to vote for me when at the time the only people voting for me were long con who I responded to, and lapluie who hasn't posted anything. my priority for this day phase has been to come to a stronger understanding of the 7 other players on the poll, as that was the intention behind voting that night poll option in the first place, me being lynched wasn't even a realistic concern for me until basically an hour ago.

I simply don't agree. You being lynched was a realistic possibility (and should have been a concern) as soon as Day began when you were 1/8 instead of like 1/30. Today's lynch situation is unique and I don't feel like your response to it is civ-minded.

I don't like this either Elo. Why are you worried about this? Whether civ or bad, having Kyle's reads is a good thing for the civs. We should always want as many reads as possible from everyone, also he was far from being the only person to give a list of reads during today's lynch.

I'm still working ISO's but I do want to say I'm not feeling great about Kyle getting lynched. I feel unconvinced this is baddie Kyle.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 4:34 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 11:25 am Her kids are pretty stinking adorable, and very smart so I mean it's not that I would doubt her kids ability to read someone, it's that I'm pretty sure it was a cop out vote.

Daisy is right all around. I had been reading and reading and reading. And I didn't know who to vote for. So I showed the list to Ephraim and asked him who I should vote for. People randomize all the time (or at least used to) without any flack.

They get flack if they do it at a point where there is plenty happening in the thread when placing your vote and you have kept up well enough to know about that stuff. I don't like it.

For the record we have just under six hours left.

I'm off to ISO Kyle.

linki: I don't know yet, defintely not sprityo and Luna. I'm trying to ISO some of the others at the moment stop asking me questions and it would go faster!

linki [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I'll accept that criticism

I don't knoooooooow. I'm really torn. My gut says bad. Mafia are more concerned with self preservation than Civs.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 11:10 pm

Spoiler: show

U-Pick Mafia Volume 1
Welcome to U-Pick Mafia. Let's all have a great time and be nice to the host. Here's a sweet pic.

Rules:

1. Mostly standard TS rules with the additions of the below.
2. No roles are announced in this here post. People will claim them and what have you but I ain't confirming nuttin.
3. You are privy to the factions that are in this here game, but not their win cons.
4. Just play the game. Don't play out think the mod. I will mod-kill you.
5. If you are mod-killed just get out. Don't be a douche.
6. This is a meme game. Play it as such. I expect glorious quotes and many fun moments. That is the spirit of this game.
7. There are no vanillas. There are roles that can become vanilla and/or are passive but nobody starts pure nilla.
8. If anything is ambiguous just ask me and I will answer. It probably just means I haven't thought of it.
9. This is a bastard game. Don't get all upset when weird shit happens.
10. I will reveal the roles and alignments of the deceased. Most of the time.
11. It's okay to be a dick in this game but if you hurt someones feelings I will mod-kill you probably. Unless I don't.

12. If you don't contribute much I will mod-kill you probably.

Spoiler: show

13. My host posts gonna look like dis
14. We got the 48/24 thing happening.
15. I live in Australia so you might get some whack timezone situation you may just need to deal.
16. Pretty sure MP is the facilitator in this game. Given this is his site you best not piss him off.

FAQ:

Did you randomise the alignments?

Yes. In this game the players pre-selected their character, not their alignment or role. 100% of alignments were selected based on randomisation. No single player was specifically selected to a certain alignment. The roles were designed based on three factors: enjoyment of the player, flavour of the character and the alignment they rolled.

Factions:

In this game we have two scum teams, some rogues and some civs. I'm not gonna say how many of each or whatever. The faction names are:

Al-Pieda (Scum)
ISIS Cream (Scum)
Absolute Units (Civilian)
Civilians
Self-Aligned

Civ Role Card = You're just a civ. Do civ things.

Here's what I'm thinking concerning the sprityo vote. If sprityo doesn't show back up to contribute anything, we can assume he's out of the game, and his alignment won't matter any more. If he does show back up, he can defend himself and we can choose to lynch or not lynch him in better faith.
For that reason, I'm planning to re-evaluate and move my vote, and I recommend the rest of you on the sprityo wagon consider doing the same.

I will not be voting for sprityo or lunalee. Either this was a super civ observation, or she is on a team with sprityo. If the latter, then if sprityo shows back up and is all super contributor, I would be looking at her as a probable team mate who used the rules to save her teamie. It is a risky move for someone who is on the poll and a valid lynch option though. I am thinking this is civ luna.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:34 pm There's a big difference, to me, between Golden being the one who made the Night Poll, and Golden revealing that there were hidden results behind the choices. When I thought Golden had made a face-value poll, it made no difference to my opinion of which choice I wanted to win it.

Like, say there's two t-shirts, and I like the blue one, but T-ShirtCo. company says "Hey cool guy, the red shirt is the best one!" and I say "I like the blue one though" and T-ShirtCo. says "What if I tell you we made BOTH SHIRTS!" and I'm like "Wow! But I like the blue one!" Then they take the sunglasses off and say "No, but seriously dude, we made the blue one super-itchy. It's the worst." Then I say "Red me up!"

Am I missing the crux of your issue?

Yes. I caught what you are explaining when I went back into your ISO. Originally I thought, that's weird that LC said he changed his mind at that point because that's not how I remember him responding. When I went back and looked it over I saw that you changed your mind when he explicitly spelled out what he meant when he said it was booby trapped. I got that bit once I went back to find what originally pinged me and sort out why.

My problem that I am trying to decide how I feel about, is this: as a civ why wouldn't you ask yourself, "Would a civ be more likely to say this or a baddie?" Because yeah it would suck if something bad happened to me because I voted for the wrong option, but the bigger question I asked myself when he said that is what it told me about Golden. Put yourself in the place of someone who has a role that can secretly attach things to a poll. Then attach an alignment. As a baddie, that kind of role has more power for your team if it is secret. If it become known it would take only one poll to sort out your likely alignment. Then you have a now useless power and you will likely get lynched. If you are a civ and you did something thinking it was in the best interest of the civs only to realize you've made an error in judging how the other civs would perceive things. I could see trying to stop something that was likely to hurt the civs. You've revealed your power and made it possibly useless, but what good is it if your power ends up hurting your team more than helping it?

That was what motivated my move. Golden looked very civ to me and he seemed desperate to move us off the option and revealed that he wrote the poll. So I moved to the option he voted because I assumed it was the safest option and in the best interest of the civs.

Your first interest in all of this looks like self preservation. You only moved when you suddenly think it's booby trapped, the rest of the consideration doesn't seem to be there.

But I am struggling with whether this is just a difference in approach or the way we think, you know? I frequently have trouble making sense of people who approach things differently than i would, it feels suspicious to me and I am trying to sort if that is what is happening here with you. I couldn't understand why the conversation and debate over the pros and cons of the various options continued after his revelation because of how I looked at it. To me it was like, "Why is this even a discussion, clearly it makes much more sense for a civ Golden to say that than a baddie Golden, so who cares what result we are voting for? I trust he has a reason for not wanting us to vote for it and that the safest option to vote for is the one he is voting for." So I am having a hard time understanding other responses to his revelation in general maybe... I don't know. I'm probably not making sense to anyone but me (and maybe Golden )