The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:16 am [VOTE: Benson] aubergine and I guess that's a hammer. Your wish has been granted, kind beluga. I enjoyed playing with you.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:53 pm I think Amy should be given 1 more night to live as she can potentially give a green peek on Nanook, assuming that Nanook isn't exactly a Greek modern Classicist. The 2 flipped Mafia are like ancient greek philosophers so I'm willing to make this assumption. (Amy claims Italian Classicist, Nanook claims Italian / something (doesn't matter). If both are town, Amy gets an overlap cuz of the italian nationality overlap. If she doesn't get an overlap, we know Nanook is Greek / Something something (unless specifically Greek Classicist)

I think mechanically the best yeet for today is Benson. Even if he's town he is VT at this point. Also if he flips town there will be less permutations to think of in terms of thinking of what happened during n1 and n2 (but mostly n1), as we know for sure that he protected me.

Here is my proposed plan:

-Yeet Benson

-Amy peeks Nanook

-I peek Hally. I am most likely dying tonight so this doesn't even matter. In the event I don't die, peeking Hally might give a pseudo double peek on LC aswell. (right?)

-Hally forces iaafr to visit WWH. This is to check if iaafr can kill. Also WWH is double confirmed town, so Hally's ability can't fail. (Because it fails if Hally targets both Maf, right?)

-Colin tracks Proto. Make sure he doesn't go anywhere.

-WWH and iaafr can do whatever. Their roles are useless right?

Worst Case Scenario for all of these:

-Benson is town.
-Nanook is town IF Amy is town and IF he isn't exactly Greek/Classicism Mafia. (better scenario would be if Nanook was Mafia, obviously)
-I die, so we don't get the peek on Hally.
-WWH lives, meaning iaafr isn't the last Mafia (he could be Mafia if there are more than 2 mafia).
-Colin tracks Proto to nowhere, meaning Proto isn't the last Mafia (he could be Mafia if there are more than 2 mafia).

If all of these happen, yeet Amy D4.

So the results:

If there is only 1 Mafia remaining as of right now, they will get caught by this plan (or pretty much any plan) and town auto wins:

-Mafia!Benson will die right now.
-Mafia!Amy dies tommorrow.
-Colin can't be the last Mafia, because if he was, he would have killed WWH on N2.
-Mafia!iaafr gets caught by Hally as he is forced to kill WWH
-Mafia!Nanook gets caught by Town!Amy (barring an exception. would appreciate help if anyone can tell me if a Greek Classicism philosopher exists)
-Mafia!Nutella can't be the last Mafia if only 1 maf remaining, because she couldn't have shot her own teammate, Maf!MR. Like literally I'm assuming it's impossible.
-Mafia!Proto gets caught by Colin.
-Mafia!LC can't be the last Mafia if only 1 maf remaining, because then Hally's action of redirecting Mafia!MR's shot on Mafia!LC would have failed. It's how Hally's role works.
-WWH is always conf town.
-The only one not getting immediately outed if the last living Mafia is Hally. But more to that later:

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I'm not worried at all for us losing if there is 1 Mafia remaining. We auto win, imo. So we should organize night actions based off of the assumption that there are 2 Mafia remaining.

There can be 2 Mafia remaining if MR was town, OR if there were 5 Mafia at the start and MR was Maf. Both of these split the "tree" in half, so twice the more permutations. (There can even be 3 living Mafia as of right now if MR was town and there were 5 Maf at the start, but god bless let's not think of that)

IF there are 2 Mafia remaining (at this very moment):

-Mafia!Colin and Mafia!Hally might be w/w, and we have no failsafe measures for now to disprove of this connection, I think. But maybe what happened N1 might disprove it? IDK. Will need brainstorming.
-Mafia!Iaafr will escape, since he won't get caught killing WWH, as the other Mafia member would carry the kill.
-Mafia!Proto will escape, as he won't get tracked to the night kill, as the other Mafia member would carry the kill.
-The combination of these 2 above mean Iaafr and Proto can't be w/w tho, as at least one must carry the kill.
-Mafia!Nutella + someone else is a combination I'm worred about
-Mafia!Hally + someone else is also a combination I'm worried about.
-Mafia!Nanook + someone else is NOT a combination I'm worred about, cuz of the Amy peek. Disregard if Amy flips Mafia and game is still going.

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So, like, that's why I suggest we don't put any actions on Hally and Nutella tonight. Because we won't catch them if they're in a team of 2 Mafia. Like, the world where they are mafia, are worlds with 2+ Mafia, and in those worlds our plans can't catch them regardless imo. So leave them for later

There might be more wrenches, more caveats, more stuff that I'm not thinking of, and obviously this plan might be improved. So that's why I'm pinging all of you, let's please brainstorm together

I think it's interesting to note that Hally + Colin can be used to catch a team of 2 Mafia. Like, on whichever pair of 2 ppl we use Hally + Colin's actions on, they can't be w/w or they will get outed, so it's useful to keep in mind for future nights, as well as for this night, if anyone has a better suggestion to use this combo on. (assuming they're both town ofc)


@Amy @Benson @ColinIsCool @iaafr @Long Con @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @nutella @protocultures @Hally @WerewolfHunter

Regardless of whether or not u agree with this version of the plan, I think we can all agree that we will auto win if there is 1 living mafia remaining, regardless of who it is, so we should setup the plan in such a way that, if possible, we mechanically auto win against ANY combination of 2 currently living Mafia players. Even if it means delaying the win against 1 living Mafia. Thoughts/complains/suggestions?

Edit: Nutella, I have a peek on WWH that she's french. I also have mech info that all Mafia are Greek. The game is bastard if she is French Mafia. She is the most confirmed town.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:59 am Colin should also think I am same alignment as LC for same reason.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 am its likely LC went nowhere because I did as check (although I could have been jacked).

From my pov, Colin kind of has to be same alignment as LC as is risky to claim LC went nowhere, and I think they claimed before LC said they are passive/didnt go anywhere. It is possible someone else got a tracker check on LC and fed the info to Colin, but this seems unlikely, even to me. As such, I think this makes Colin and LC same alignment. Nobody else can really KNOW this for fact, this is only for me because of my own check. So if/when i die, you can add more weight to it.

Colin can be town and Hally can be mafia.

Hally can be town and Colin can be town.

Hally can be mafia and Colin can be mafia, however this also means LC is mafia, which makes the mafia team 5 in total. How much do we hate an idea of 5 mafia?

The world that cant exist is Hally town and Colin mafia, since colin says "targetted dizzy" and no way for Colin to know who Hally redirected to.

So if Halley flips town, colin is town, and LC is town.

If we cop check Halley, we get 3 for 1.

I probably messed up somewhere - @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME check my homework?

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:27 am I think hammering this morning isn't a terrible idea because I'm running out of posts, and so is rabbit (if not already).

Colin, if you are town I think you have to make a sacrifice. Nothing you can do will get you out of the PoE and the other roles in the game are in conflict with yours. Maybe Proto has pocketed me hard but I think we check you first out of the two. You may say that you're a confirmed tracker. You may say that trackers are underpowered on wolf teams. Both true. But I think it's just clear that unless we are in my tin foil world the wolves were neutered anyways.

[VOTE: Coliniscool] aubergine

Signal that you're okay with this by voting yourself.

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:21 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:19 pm I don’t see what scum Hally has to gain by concocting a roundabout way of clearing me, or by trying to clear me at all.

i THINK scum hally would only have motivation to do this play if they were the last remaining member of their team, and thus wanted to conceal the fact that they performed the nk without blatantly implicating themselves by killing colin

i'm not sure it's a good play for scum hally to go for otherwise

if people can think of other scenarios feel free to let me know

pizza time

6/60

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:13 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:56 pm @ColinIsCool what did i do last night?

everyone else should say who they targeted too

i will not disclose my action until colin posts

Targeted Dizzy

kay this checks out

i redirected you to wwh so you actually tracked her

she targeted dizzy which is why you got that result

that plus wwh not getting nk’d means you actually have a track and did not have a kill last night

it’s at the very least a soft clear

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:12 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:56 pm @ColinIsCool what did i do last night?

everyone else should say who they targeted too

i will not disclose my action until colin posts

Targeted Dizzy

like... JUST dizzy?

3/60

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:56 pm @ColinIsCool what did i do last night?

everyone else should say who they targeted too

i will not disclose my action until colin posts

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:00 am @ColinIsCool @WerewolfHunter please flavorclaim

@protocultures please fullclaim

dizzy should probably fullclaim too but i'm not tagging him yet

16/30

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:30 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:08 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:06 am how do we prove colin?

how do we do this? @Hally

have him track me

then he’ll say who i targeted

i will confirm @ColinIsCool

maf can mess with this by killing me but if they wanna kill the redirector over the cop, the day vig and the night vig be my guess lol

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:19 pm What became of Protocultures? Can we just kill him?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:08 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:08 pm I can believe that Alison and I are both trackers of a sort.

lol

lol

lol

lol

lol

bruh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:44 pm Why would you track LC tho

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:35 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:35 pm I kinda don’t want to claim but I will if you make me.

go ahead

17/60

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:21 pm @ColinIsCool what are your last words, you cowardly member of the mafia

you dare stand in our town lying to us in our face, as if we would accept u furry werewolf into our kind, eating a townsfolk every night?

think again, fool.

you're going vegan from now on and im not backing down. never will u eat another villager again

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:50 pm LC also had never mentioned KZA before the vote, AND appears to have zero interactions or mentions of Radish. That's a big yikes. I'm entering a tunnel boyz

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:34 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:32 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:30 am So did a partial re-read of day 1.

Think I'm not so sus of tutuu any more. Shes probably town. Which also means Alison is more town.

I also now read Scirrus as towny.

Also can people stop reading me as town so much. I don't want to die in the night. Thank you.

PSA FOR THE MAFIA TEAM:

proto is softing a POWERFUL PR here

i know this because i dont think its within his normal mindset to be unhappy if he were to die n1. in fact i think he'd be honored.

i am helping u out here, mafia.

i have a read on proto that he's a powerful, PR, therefore, please kill PROTOCULTURES instead of TUTUU night 1

please and THANK u

@colonialbob @Master Radishes @ColinIsCool

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:22 pm I’ll be as honest as possible with y’all, I am having a hard time getting comfortable this game. It reminds me of my junior year Critical Reading class, a class ostensibly on literary theory and criticism. I read all the readings every week, I kept up on coursework, I did what was asked of me ... but I barely understood a fuckin’ word of it. What does Derrida mean by the signifier and the sign? Don’t fucking know!

I think my problem in Critical Reading was that the foundation of it was the debate over formalism vs. structuralism (I think?) and I never managed to quite learn what those were. Subsequently I didn’t fully understand anything that came afterwards, because how could I? You can’t really read Baudrillard if you don’t know the alphabet. (I actually did retain some Baudrillard.)

Point is, maybe it’s the fact that I don’t know most of these players, or the fact that all the posts in this game are 7 paragraphs long, but I couldn’t understand any of the D0 fighting (which for all you Baud-heads out there, felt like a simulacrum of Mafia rather than Mafia, but I digress) nor most of the D1 that follows. The KZA flip should prove useful and I do have some reads but if you ask me something be prepared to be disappointed because in a game that purports to limit post counts ... you guys talk an awful lot.

And yeah put me in the POE, whatever, used to it, I still think Hally needs to be cleared independent of KZA’s flip either way

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:59 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:51 pm not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

Is it? Sounds like desperate-clutching-at-straws to me.

any thoughts from the kza flip?

12/30

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:13 pm @ColinIsCool your vote has been parked on my slot all day and you haven’t posted once since i’ve been in the game

where are you?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:51 pm not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:49 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 am I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

extremely premature is my middle name

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:49 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 am I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:25 pm ColinisCool

Spoiler: show

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:26 pm I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Only notable post. Pretty much a null.

(tbh it's kinda nice to have a break between the high posters :P)