The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:52 pm epi is a beautiful soul but he's kind of like a big beefy porcupine with poisonous quills that is also on fire

I feel this description in my bones tbh

I think Quin is trying to imply they're spiny's mason?

Yeah, that's super not a good look.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:33 pm Not together.

ok maybe you're not so terrible

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:30 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:06 pm This game has been very shouty and insulty.

Ripe with emotion, I like it

Can’t wait until it’s done and we can all have a good laugh

same honestly

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

[mention]iaafr[/mention]

vote nutella, she's MLed 3 town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:40 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:17 pm @Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

'cause they are Pawn, and also Town

Is there any substance to this or just your random read?

Pawn and I are like personal nemeses at this point. If you can't trust our reads on each other, you can't trust anyone's.

You are in The Syndicate now. Your views on each other do not carry any weight when Pawn's vote is still on me.

From my perspective, he's lazy mafia. Get him to do better. Otherwise I don't need him.

Why are you telling me this?

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:17 pm @Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

'cause they are Pawn, and also Town

Is there any substance to this or just your random read?

Pawn and I are like personal nemeses at this point. If you can't trust our reads on each other, you can't trust anyone's.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:17 pm @Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

'cause they are Pawn, and also Town

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:45 pm @Evenstar, walk me through why your vote didn't end up on Dragomir after you had a "double-barreled FoS" on him.

It did. Then I had a crisi of faith because I thought I was just voting him for being a creep.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

No idea. She's my top townread.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

Radishes is still tunneling me, and I dug myself deeper by being cranky and exhausted after a Final 3. Nutella is tinfoiling me on the basis that the janitored Texas Cloverleaf might be Spiny's mason partner.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.

You might want to talk to Sprityo about that.

Enjoy your new lease on life.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 pm ....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?

And what of the other voters on those trains?

Are they just as bad yet they did not vote for Dragomir?

Nutella and Hyena are the only two players to participate in both town MLs. I don't think it's Hyena.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 pm ....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:19 pm @Evenstar I saw what you did and appreciate that you don't want the game thread to devolve into hostile chaos. Thank you for your post.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:18 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:01 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:59 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Evenstar



why do you suspect nutella?

Bad vote history, she's still alive, LLD suspects her. I see you've already noticed that her responses to pressure are also quite poor.

I think she overreacted to that yes.
Why is her vote record poor, and why does that make her bad?

She's participated in the mislynch of two obvious townies and is still defending her decisions rather than re-evaluating her reads or apologizing for her mistakes.

And?

You had zero accountability for days.
What is better about anyone not in this level's record?

I can hardly suspect people based on evidence I cannot see.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:01 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:59 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Evenstar



why do you suspect nutella?

Bad vote history, she's still alive, LLD suspects her. I see you've already noticed that her responses to pressure are also quite poor.

I think she overreacted to that yes.
Why is her vote record poor, and why does that make her bad?

She's participated in the mislynch of two obvious townies and is still defending her decisions rather than re-evaluating her reads or apologizing for her mistakes.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:50 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:42 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 pm @Lady LambdaDelta

Take a step back.

I know, it's infuriating. But the site meta here is just like this, and you're harming your own case now.

No. Don't start make snide comments about the Syndicaters. They are, like every community, full of some very lovely people and a few 'not everyone's cup of tea' types. Don't care what your alignment is, don't generalise in a petty way like that.

I don't see how you read that as "snide." The site meta here is a lot more, mmmm... it gives a lot more room for outright lies than I am used to in my mafia games. In 90% of games this whole exchange would be far less frustrating because people wouldn't have to be inferring half of people's arguments from things they can't say outright. The game culture here also is... definitely different from my homesite.

I have no actual personal issues with the Syndicaters, especially not when taken as a group. Please don't read in hostility that's not there.

@Epignosis

This is gaslighting.

In all seriousness--

Lying: I am not implying anything snide
Gaslighting: I am not implying anything snide. In fact, I love the people I call names constantly and tell to kill themselves because they lie or ask questions in this game of investigation and deceit.

I love certain of you, particularly Mac, Juliets and Mongoose.

As a site I think your customs are bizarre and frightening, but not necessarily bad; they're just very much not what I'm used to.

"Go take a long walk off a short pier" is roughly equivalent to "go jump in a lake" in my local area, and I never intended to tell Epi to kill himself. I realize that may be what I communicated, but seriously, I would never deliberately say that to anyone. I have known multiple actively suicidal people, and understand on a gut level the harm I could do by saying that.

Both you and Epi have gotten on my nerves, but this is because I have problems reading and engaging with your play: in a non-mafia setting I'm sure you're great people, given your associations with Mac, juliets, etc. However, I have poor impulse control and often say things I don't really mean. I am legitimately trying to work on this.

I tried to get LLD to take a step back because it was clear to me that she was over the line in her comments, and I don't want this game to be filled with the same continuing argument from three days ago. It's destroying everybody's attempts to solve, not to mention their overall enjoyment.

Please try to recognize that I'm attempting to broker a peace, here.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Evenstar



why do you suspect nutella?

Bad vote history, she's still alive, LLD suspects her. I see you've already noticed that her responses to pressure are also quite poor.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:42 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 pm @Lady LambdaDelta

Take a step back.

I know, it's infuriating. But the site meta here is just like this, and you're harming your own case now.

No. Don't start make snide comments about the Syndicaters. They are, like every community, full of some very lovely people and a few 'not everyone's cup of tea' types. Don't care what your alignment is, don't generalise in a petty way like that.

I don't see how you read that as "snide." The site meta here is a lot more, mmmm... it gives a lot more room for outright lies than I am used to in my mafia games. In 90% of games this whole exchange would be far less frustrating because people wouldn't have to be inferring half of people's arguments from things they can't say outright. The game culture here also is... definitely different from my homesite.

I have no actual personal issues with the Syndicaters, especially not when taken as a group. Please don't read in hostility that's not there.

@Epignosis

This is gaslighting.

Okay, I admit to not liking you tremendously. But all the people I've hung out with on syndichat I very much recommend.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:29 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:22 pm @Lady LambdaDelta

Take a step back.

I know, it's infuriating. But the site meta here is just like this, and you're harming your own case now.

No. Don't start make snide comments about the Syndicaters. They are, like every community, full of some very lovely people and a few 'not everyone's cup of tea' types. Don't care what your alignment is, don't generalise in a petty way like that.

I don't see how you read that as "snide." The site meta here is a lot more, mmmm... it gives a lot more room for outright lies than I am used to in my mafia games. In 90% of games this whole exchange would be far less frustrating because people wouldn't have to be inferring half of people's arguments from things they can't say outright. The game culture here also is... definitely different from my homesite.

I have no actual personal issues with the Syndicaters, especially not when taken as a group. Please don't read in hostility that's not there.

I'm going to take a step away as well.

[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention]

Take a step back.

I know, it's infuriating. But the site meta here is just like this, and you're harming your own case now.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:05 pm The problem, LLD, is you are framing things in such a way that anything nutella does is coming from a mafia member. She has no out. The only way I'll buy what you're selling is if you are shown to be the alignment checker.

I don't care to give her an out?

She should die today. That's the out.

Why the fuck do I need to give someone who is scum an out

Instead, lynch them with me.

I don't care what Nutella thinks. I want you to read what I am saying and agree or disagree.

And really I don't know how you can look at her posts and go "oh that's town".

You wanna feel bad for her cause I'm not giving her a chance? Fine go feel bad for her

but while you're doing that?

kindly put your vote on ehr wagon so I can kill her and we can actually win this game as town

thanks

You're going to have to write the wallpost.

I know, it sucks. But you're the one who told me back in finals that you've gotta sell.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.

LMFAO

If you flip town I will offer myself to to town to be lynched, probably. Which is fine, I accept that consequence because you're not town.

Also willing to make this bet. You've lynched two obvious townies in a row now, and I don't actually think that was Hyena's fault having seen his play today. You, however, are pushing the exact same paranoia case Radishes is.

I'm only feeling more confident here given your responses to pressure.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.

Very nice FUD.

(Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:41 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.

As if I need to do this to catch you.

As if the mountain of words you have posted means more than the intent behind the actions you take.

As if I give a fuck what scum thinks and wants me to do. I'm sure you'd love me to give you something to sink your teeth into so you can reduce this read to some kind of argument people will skim over.

Nah, I'd rather not give you that opportunity. Your reactions to my pressure and votes are damning enough themselves. I need nothing else.

Is town not allowed to be outraged over being voted for literally no reason?

You don't even know my play style. You are just making shit up on the spot and acting confident in it. It's not remotely helpful to solving the game. Take a step back. I'm town.

Your playstyle doesn''t matter in this case.

Your outrage is specifically scummy and reads of being again caught for the wrong reasons.

your indignation is not town indignation. There is a difference.

And you're not town.

I don't need to argue with you, but the more you circle on this point and then only NOW that it appears I'm not going anywhere beg me to try and see you town?

The more others will come to see exactly what you are, which is scum.

Deflecting with notions of your "playstyle and meta"

Accusing others of having no brain and thus being incapable of forming reasonable suspicions on you.

This is scum play, you will hang for it.

Nope. You are wrong. My indignation is town. I am not "caught." I am bewildered.

Why is your indignation town?

Uh, because I'm town?

That was exactly the wrong answer.

You keep saying you want to engage in the realm of facts and reasons, but you don't have an actual argument as to why you are town other than "because I am."

That is not good enough at this point.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:44 pm I actually think you are town because you seem so confident in actually believing what you're saying. But it's wrong and I implore you to do something useful.

More deflecting.

Deflecting from what? Give me something to answer.

She won't. Why are you still engaging her case if you feel it has no backing behind it?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:41 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 pm This is exactly what happened on D1. I have never seen any explanation of why LLD suspects me. And yet you sheep her. It's really fucking bizarre.

LLD knows what she's doing, and if Texas was the other Mason I'll do FTF's nesquik ramen thing.

LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.

As if I need to do this to catch you.

As if the mountain of words you have posted means more than the intent behind the actions you take.

As if I give a fuck what scum thinks and wants me to do. I'm sure you'd love me to give you something to sink your teeth into so you can reduce this read to some kind of argument people will skim over.

Nah, I'd rather not give you that opportunity. Your reactions to my pressure and votes are damning enough themselves. I need nothing else.

Is town not allowed to be outraged over being voted for literally no reason?

You don't even know my play style. You are just making shit up on the spot and acting confident in it. It's not remotely helpful to solving the game. Take a step back. I'm town.

Your playstyle doesn''t matter in this case.

Your outrage is specifically scummy and reads of being again caught for the wrong reasons.

your indignation is not town indignation. There is a difference.

And you're not town.

I don't need to argue with you, but the more you circle on this point and then only NOW that it appears I'm not going anywhere beg me to try and see you town?

The more others will come to see exactly what you are, which is scum.

Deflecting with notions of your "playstyle and meta"

Accusing others of having no brain and thus being incapable of forming reasonable suspicions on you.

This is scum play, you will hang for it.

Nope. You are wrong. My indignation is town. I am not "caught." I am bewildered.

Why is your indignation town?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:15 pm Radishes, if you are convinced Evenstar should be lynched, why is your vote not on her?

Dunno.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
This is never, ever town. Kill it with extreme prejudice. I don't want it lynched, but I want it dead.

'Don't want it lynched, but want it dead.' Yeah that's a townie thought process.

You're a pain in the ass and will fill the day with chaosposting if I try to lynch you. Better to just call the vig on your ass.

Cheers.

But your reasoning is still completely anti-town.

It's been nice playing with you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 pm This is exactly what happened on D1. I have never seen any explanation of why LLD suspects me. And yet you sheep her. It's really fucking bizarre.

LLD knows what she's doing, and if Texas was the other Mason I'll do FTF's nesquik ramen thing.

LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.

She always latches on to LLD at some point. It's a tactic I guess, but I don't know what it's meant to achieve.

This "tactic" is called "listening to people I respect."

I recommend listening to people who have the slightest idea of what is going on in this game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 pm This is exactly what happened on D1. I have never seen any explanation of why LLD suspects me. And yet you sheep her. It's really fucking bizarre.

LLD knows what she's doing, and if Texas was the other Mason I'll do FTF's nesquik ramen thing.

LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.

She always latches on to LLD at some point. It's a tactic I guess, but I don't know what it's meant to achieve.

This "tactic" is called "listening to people I respect."

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:15 pm Radishes, if you are convinced Evenstar should be lynched, why is your vote not on her?

Dunno.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
This is never, ever town. Kill it with extreme prejudice. I don't want it lynched, but I want it dead.

'Don't want it lynched, but want it dead.' Yeah that's a townie thought process.

You're a pain in the ass and will fill the day with chaosposting if I try to lynch you. Better to just call the vig on your ass.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 pm This is exactly what happened on D1. I have never seen any explanation of why LLD suspects me. And yet you sheep her. It's really fucking bizarre.

LLD knows what she's doing, and if Texas was the other Mason I'll do FTF's nesquik ramen thing.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:05 pm Dom can be town

Epi can be weird

but all players who vote for Nutella can get a once in a lifetime free pass for one day.h

you know what, I'm willing to sheep this

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:15 pm Radishes, if you are convinced Evenstar should be lynched, why is your vote not on her?

Dunno.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
This is never, ever town. Kill it with extreme prejudice. I don't want it lynched, but I want it dead.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:26 pm Ok thanks Dom.

So Evenstar, if that's the case, why do you think scum got to choose?

If it's random that would risk the scum player at F3 being their weakest/most inactive teammate, thereby making the game incredibly swingy for no reason, assuming that there was actually a reason for scum to want to win any of the sublayer games.

If scum don't need to try to win the sublayer games, we are just straight up not playing mafia anymore.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:07 pm Eva made this post on day 2

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:16 am okay, so

rainbow lists are not allowed

but I think the following is in the spirit: I

Negative side of neutral:
Dom
Radishes
112
Nova
Colin/rej
Quin
Jack
Michelle

Positive side of neutral:
Evenstar
Macdougall
Pawn Lelouch
Lady Lambdadelta
Iaafr
Epignosis
Sprityo
Nanook

names not in any particular order, exactly 8 in each category even though it took some massaging

I don't understand what happened to her reads. Nothing organic.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:30 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:39 am I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?

he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:15 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:19 am quin pushed tsp in a not aligned way imo so I have him clear assuming tsp scum

this post is really interesting

also I did a quick iso of quin because people reminded me they exist

yeah, this can die

ideally vig it though

Eva is currently claiming vig.
Yet here she is doing the same on day 2, but nothing happened, as far as I'm aware.

*rubs her face*

Dom, it is blatantly impossible for me to be the vig unless I somehow blind-shot across four levels of dream distance. Do you really think I am that dumb?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:36 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:24 am Evenstar, take a moment and think at the game as a whole please

I am, that's why I'm focussing on Epi today.

What do you think about Elephant?
Also Dom is very scummy in my eyes since that dream level we were in. How do you see him?

Dom can't be scum. Not Radishes' partner, not Sprityo's partner, most importantly not Epignosis but ended in the same level as him.

I haven't played with Elephant for six days and haven't caught up on backlog, but from his interactions today he seems to be making a real effort to solve. Likely town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:39 am I remembered to look through Spiny Creature's posts to see what I can glean.

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:54 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:55 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

Yeah, you should be nervous. You're probably reading "not stressed out by champs" as "town" here: as Pawn would tell you, I'm never certain anything D1.

Keep watching me; generally I slip somewhere in my tapdancing by D3/4 if I'm scum. (Like in WC1 with my hotdogs thing.)

thanks for reply.

@PawnLelouch (hopefully that has no spaces, if it does i give up on tagging) not to repeat d1 of finals, but what's your read on Eva rn? I see that you are in more heat than she is but I am far from caught up and left before you showed up at all.

This exchange indicates that Spinyboo and Evenstar were not civilian partners, as once assumed after Day 2.

Have you ever considered that teams other than mafia might want to distance from each other so as not to be obvious?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:24 am Evenstar, take a moment and think at the game as a whole please

I am, that's why I'm focussing on Epi today.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:24 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:11 am Maybe the vig doesn't give a shit about your POE

Trust me, the vig will solve my POE.

Are you claiming the vig when you didn't know one existed until today while also claiming the mason?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am Civilians are going to lose because the subject that should be the main focus of discussion is being overlooked.

Dragomir is dead. He was mafia.

Who are his partners and why?

Eva.
Let's kick her out of this game.

I am not allowed to explictly not claim a role, but if that's what you got out of that, you are absolutely barking up the wrong tree.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:14 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:05 am Sprityo and radishes are irrelvant at this point. The vig will solve my PoE.

Since D3, I'm not so sure that we still have an active vigilante, but it's possible.

Thank you for your explanation!

We very likely still have an active vig. Look at the kill timings.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:20 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:01 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:09 am Radishes sir, why thunderdome, why not lynch Elephant who is scum?

Because a lynchpool of 3 is a decent one. Elephant is one of 6? players who existed through the same level and voted out several townies, which leaves more room for error that he might be misguided town. Not saying definitively that's what I believe, but odds are better amongst 3.

what lynchpool? Tell me please the players.

Eva/Sprit/Radishes

We were in an F3 'limbo' together and we all agree one of us must be scum because otherwise it made no sense.

I don't agree with this. All three of you are alive. The votes you all made were therefore not for a lynch.

Epi, please do not resort to "the final 3 was fake." That's disrespectful to all of us who were there as well as the moderators. We played our hearts out for two days trying to figure out the scum, and I'm not prepared to accept that Sloonei and JJJ would be such utter bastard moderators as to make it all a lie.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:11 am Maybe the vig doesn't give a shit about your POE

Trust me, the vig will solve my POE.

Sprityo and radishes are irrelvant at this point. The vig will solve my PoE.

exactly one of Radishes and Sprityo is scum
exactly one of Epignosis is scum

Epi has been PoE clamped by the fact that layers exist.

[mention]Elephant[/mention], this is the answer to your question: please read it carefully, I don't want to have to go through all this for a fourth time.

There's going to be exactly one scum in the 3rd layer after me and radish and sprityo leave, because there must be at least one scum in each layer for this game to make any sense and the 3rd layer was a 9er so there's no way there were 3+ scum in it.

F3 cannot be fake (all town or two wolves) because I don't think JJJ is that hardcore a sadist.

So there are four people left in the layer after Colin is lynched and Pawn is NK'd.

(The fact Pawn is NK'd tells us there are probably still scum in the layer because if JJJ allows kills across layers I will be very cross. )

So then the scum is one of:
Epi
Jack
Dom
Rabbit

Rabbit cannot be the scum because if he was he would go to F3 with me and pocket me to hell.
Dom cannot be the scum because he is a highly implausible partner for either Radishes or Sprityo.
Jack cannot be the scum because he was almost lazy-lynched on D3 the same way we lazy-lynched Nova on D2. (Super unsurprised that flipped town, tbh.)

Epi cannot pocket me at F3.
Epi can be Rabbit or Sprityo's partner.
Epi has seen pressure but has never really become a viable lynch target.

On top of all that, he's repeatedly tunneled the entire townblock of me, Pawn and Rabbit, hasn't produced real analysis since his D2 walls, and is softing that he's able to communicate with other layers.

Yes, I acknowledge there may be such a town role. But if it exists, Epi is not the person who has it. Epi is fake-claiming using a standard mafia ability. This is not dissimilar from the ever popular fake scum cop gambit: he's taking the fact that he has TMI and trying to use it to claim a power role. That is bullshit and I won't stand for it.

I am entirely willing to thunderdome Epi today, and frankly don't really care if he ends up winning it. Given Radishes' zombielike persistence and the carefully-constructed frame that's been built here, I probably don't live more than a day even if I do manage to dunk him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:02 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:21 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:15 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

... have you really done no layer-based analysis at all?

More than I'm allowed to say.

Thank you for scumclaiming.

I was forbidden by the host from talking about it.

Good luck finding favor around here with your humility.

I cannot think of any role that would have access between layers - the power you are clearly softing and have been for a while - other than a mafioso.

I recognize you probably cannot productively engage with this accusation given the frankly bizarre and confining anti-claim rules here, but nonetheless this is a major reason for my scumread of you.

I am not concerned with finding favor: I am concerned with finding scum. I feel that your derisive and dismissive treatment of everyone who scumreads you is a defensive strategy you are deliberately employing to increase the social cost of trying to lynch you and thereby encourage doubt. I believe that this strategy also harms the enjoyment and morale of those around you, thereby discouraging them from engaging productively with the game. This game is already an unusually high-stress environment due to its highly eccentric mechanics that hide vital information from the players, and so maintaining Town morale should be a high priority. You are visibly failing to prioritize this goal in favour of yelling at players who are not scumhunting in a way you approve of. That makes you more likely to be scum.

I did not intend to start writing a case on you, here; I intended to go to bed. This seems like a logical breakpoint as it explains why being "not nice" makes you scum. I still need to address multiple other reasons why I believe you are scum - some quite major - but for the sake of my own stress levels I'm going to stop here. If you are town, I would encourage you to think carefully about how your play makes everyone you accuse believe you to be scum.

Goodnight.

.......oh shit. Epi is a forum admin. Which means he probably has access to the layers regardless, but the hosts would realize that and he'd be honest about it so it could be that they just incorporated it into his role in the game. If they hadn't made it kosher for him to just read the other threads I believe he wouldn't do it.

But I disagree that that's a scum role, because scum would already have people distributed and get info that way, so it makes total sense for a townie to get that ability.

I think he is a scum softing the fact he's in scumchat and therefore can get his mafia buddies to fetch him stuff from other levels as a "power".

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:45 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:42 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm Evenstar, if you are a civilian, then I need you to find Dragomir's partners.

If you are not, fine. I will vote for you.

Respectfully, go take a long walk off a short pier.

Don't say shit like that in a game. Or ever.

This I will agree with.

I was attempting to tell Epignosis to stop insisting on this and disengage because it is clearly not being productive. The first words that came to mind were, quite frankly, "fuck off." I struck that as obviously way too hostile, grabbed an idiom that I happened to have on hand, and then added "respectfully" in an attempt to communicate that I don't think Epi is a bad person or a bad player, I just think he's being deliberately abrasive in a way that I can't productively engage with right now.

In retrospect, what I should've done was step away from the game completely and get some sleep. (As I currently intend to do.) Instead, my attempt to be less hostile... makes my response sound more like "fuck off and die", if I'm being honest. The unnecessary formalism just sounds sarcastic, at best.

... I really need to get better control over this.

I'm sorry, for what it's worth.

Goodnight. For real this time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:21 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:15 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:01 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm You're talking about layers like they matter. Talk about Dragomir's team.

If you don't think layers matter then you are not playing the same game I am.

... have you really done no layer-based analysis at all?

More than I'm allowed to say.

Thank you for scumclaiming.

I was forbidden by the host from talking about it.

Good luck finding favor around here with your humility.

I cannot think of any role that would have access between layers - the power you are clearly softing and have been for a while - other than a mafioso.

I recognize you probably cannot productively engage with this accusation given the frankly bizarre and confining anti-claim rules here, but nonetheless this is a major reason for my scumread of you.

I am not concerned with finding favor: I am concerned with finding scum. I feel that your derisive and dismissive treatment of everyone who scumreads you is a defensive strategy you are deliberately employing to increase the social cost of trying to lynch you and thereby encourage doubt. I believe that this strategy also harms the enjoyment and morale of those around you, thereby discouraging them from engaging productively with the game. This game is already an unusually high-stress environment due to its highly eccentric mechanics that hide vital information from the players, and so maintaining Town morale should be a high priority. You are visibly failing to prioritize this goal in favour of yelling at players who are not scumhunting in a way you approve of. That makes you more likely to be scum.

I did not intend to start writing a case on you, here; I intended to go to bed. This seems like a logical breakpoint as it explains why being "not nice" makes you scum. I still need to address multiple other reasons why I believe you are scum - some quite major - but for the sake of my own stress levels I'm going to stop here. If you are town, I would encourage you to think carefully about how your play makes everyone you accuse believe you to be scum.

Goodnight.