The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

As others have said, why the hell not Radishes

confirm the result so we know whether the baddies won a prize or not

I don't understand this either. Eli5.

Kill Radishes so that we know if scum won or lost the final 3.

If we lynch sprityo and they flip town, I then know we lynched scum, but nobody else fricking does, and I still have to gladiate Radishes, which I might well lose after Sprit flipped town

if you lynch me, then Sprityo and Radishes will have to gladiate tomorrow and the thread still doesn't know if scum won or lost the F3

If we lynch the turnip then their flip tells us whether scum have won a prize or not immediately, not at the end of tomorrow. And if they flip town then I guess I have to gladiate Sprityo.



(my life is strange and my work is never finished)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

Um why not Radishes? I thought Eva got cleared and Sprityo seems real town to me.

What do you mean Eva got cleared? O.o

We accidentally saw Spiny's flip. The wording made her seem Masonic. Rabbit and Eva remembered a post Spiny made that called Eva town, thus we thought that might have cleared her.

(Eva had saved the post, convenientally.)

We had no thread access so couldn't doublecheck anything. I backed off Eva at that point until our Limbo dance because of it. But I'm just so tunneled into this now I won't let go.

there's an obvious reason why I would have that post saved if I'm spiny's mason, ya dingus

go trawl through the thread for it, I didn't make it up or whatever it is you're accusing me of

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm I was hoping the “all Syndicate players are scum” tinfoil would still be possible.

Could still be if it's sprityo but I don't think it's sprityo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

As others have said, why the hell not Radishes

confirm the result so we know whether the baddies won a prize or not

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:51 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:34 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:24 pm Nutella and Juliet are scum with the Creature flip and I should have been smarter I missed on my 50 50 cant say more than that.

Nope. You had your chance yesterday when I pushed on Nutella. I even specifically mentioned you twice, but you never even reacted or responded. I'm not helping you with this or any other lynch that you want to push. GTFO. :P

Kindly Take your superiority complex and shove it up your ass then fuck off.

I have a fucking stressful job and 48 hour deadlines are not really reasonable for me all the time and i try my best

Just cause you apparently have free time to do whatever doesnt mean i can deal with a 30 playet gamenwith 48 hour deadlines and mechanics that make me nauseous

Lexi...

What do you want from me

This game is a drain

yes

I guess I just,

yeah.

... I just went through two days of hidden-vote no-flip bullshit followed by a F3 vs the king of slank and a homicidal turnip

and now I'm back,

and you just slanked until you got to a less terrible environment and now you're making excuses for it...?

... ok, I guess

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:34 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:24 pm Nutella and Juliet are scum with the Creature flip and I should have been smarter I missed on my 50 50 cant say more than that.

Nope. You had your chance yesterday when I pushed on Nutella. I even specifically mentioned you twice, but you never even reacted or responded. I'm not helping you with this or any other lynch that you want to push. GTFO. :P

Kindly Take your superiority complex and shove it up your ass then fuck off.

I have a fucking stressful job and 48 hour deadlines are not really reasonable for me all the time and i try my best

Just cause you apparently have free time to do whatever doesnt mean i can deal with a 30 playet gamenwith 48 hour deadlines and mechanics that make me nauseous

Lexi...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah, so far as I know; it was a final 3, it was stressful, we debated who the scum was. Radishes tunneled the fuck out of me, and inevitably voted against me; Sprityo voted Radishes with like 1 minute on the clock. I was forced to make a snap decision, and went for the player voting me over the three-way tie. No flip, so I have no idea if I got it right or not.

Also, the dayend flavour prominently featured the mark hitting someone in the nutsack with a baguette. [mention]Macdougall[/mention], why are you haunting my dreams?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:06 pm Evenstar is scum. Lock it in. Don't listen to her.

Lovely, we get to redo the entire F3 but this time for a crowd.

I don't even know if you're scum or not; I just followed Sprityo because a 1/2 chance was better than a 1/3 one.

If you're town, get out of your damn tunnel.

Uh do you guys know for a fact that one of you three is scum? I mean I guess the f3 thing would be fucked up if not but like.... it also kinda is if so bc that narrows stuff down

I respect JJJ more than that. Forcing us through an F3 with no actual scum in it would serve no purpose other than blatant sadism.

oh my god there's SO MUCH DATA

115 pages of backlog

super fun

let's see about the highlights

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:06 pm Evenstar is scum. Lock it in. Don't listen to her.

Lovely, we get to redo the entire F3 but this time for a crowd.

I don't even know if you're scum or not; I just followed Sprityo because a 1/2 chance was better than a 1/3 one.

If you're town, get out of your damn tunnel.

I don't wanna play with drago but idk if he's scum

epi doesn't deserve to be lynched

I think i'm going with 112

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

can someone OTHER THAN EPI tell me what he did

can someone please tell me wtf epi did

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

Eleven minutes. You used a program for those two charts right?

Anyway, why did you only make two of them and draw conclusions from such a limited sample?

because Spiny hadn't produced a detailed enough readslist to be useful to me

and yeah I used a program

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

Eleven minutes. You used a program for those two charts right?

Anyway, why did you only make two of them and draw conclusions from such a limited sample?

because Spiny hadn't produced a detailed enough readslist to be useful to me

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

why the fuck is epi wagoned

fuck is Day over

mac is townreading me for no reason
dom is scumreading me for no reason

always fun to join new communities

I'm also super amused that the wagon on me is composed of:
- Texas, who has a bee in her bonnet because apparently I ought to be expecting her to throw her vote aroubd more
- four people who have never played with me before

also I have no clue what's up with this gimmick thing but on general principle I'm not gonna participate. Trying to read the entire game from six people is a bad plan.

i need to reread drago

not gonna tonight though

it is 11 pee em and i should sleep

Epignosis is speaking good words and people should listen to him

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] put your head together with Epi, between the two of you you can probably solve this

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:22 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:43 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:35 pm @Pawn Lelouch
@Evenstar
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Come vote Nutella.

-Mute

They’re town tho

Who is "they?"

Nutella, obviously?

"They" is a plural pronoun. There are a group of people listed here. nutella is one person and merits a singular pronoun. No, it wasn't obvious.

Singular they dates to shakespeare. Stop being a pedant and bow to usage already. :/

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:58 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:43 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:35 pm @Pawn Lelouch
@Evenstar
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Come vote Nutella.

-Mute

They’re town tho

But what if

they weren't

-Nyx

Counterpoint: they probably are.

wow, nanook has an opinion on something

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:53 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:49 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:37 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:31 pm Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.

Because neither one of them are serious trying to solve me right now, nor are they allowing me to solve them. I feel like Mac in particular doesn't want to interact with me at all. He's SCAAAAARED~! Even though she denied it earlier, Evenstar tried to pocket me earlier.

What have you said that I was meant to interact with? I have hardly noticed you. Forgive me please.

I wish I was scum with her. I wouldn't be this frustrated.

Me trying to provoke and accuse you of not wanting to look responsible if one of your invitees gets lynched D1. All you said was that I was right. :[ There was no denial, no argument about why that's a good thing, etc.

I WANT YOU TO FITE ME, MAC!!! ;[

tbh yuck

After a skim of the iso... just like... i see a player throwing everything to the wall and hoping it sticks

that is in fact how hyena plays, yes.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:48 pm dude you should've seen Eva yesterday acting like nut town was the most obvious read in the game

and now one of llds alter egos telling her to vote there gets the vote?? with lld being hardly engaged?

Jesus

it's not wolfy but it's lmfao

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:35 pm @Pawn Lelouch
@Evenstar
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Come vote Nutella.

-Mute

ugh fine

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:09 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:01 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

... I guess a Pawn/Nutella/[Mac or Iaafr] scumteam could exist, but my gut is saying that's just straight-up not the case here. If only Pawn is scum... mmmmrrrrhhhh. Then Iaafr is the partner and they're pushing me to lynch Nutella? Nah, that's a conspiracy theory, I don't buy that Pawn could control me that well. Maybe Nutella's been pocketed? Sure doesn't feel like it. Mac/Pawn might be doing that and then TRing Iaafr because he's pushing a ML on nutella? Nah, that makes no sense, why push a mislynch on the person you've pocketed?

Maybe Iaafr/Pawn going after Elephant as the ML? The gimmick does make him hatable, I can see Pawn going for that. He wouldn't push Elephant directly, scum pawn tends to work through intermediaries... But Iaafr's push on Elephant is super halfassed. Did some other scum make an opportunity? Who started the wagon? 112. 112/Iaafr/Pawn? I guess I could see it, but I don't like that everybody in it is someone closer to null than scum. Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong.

I don't see whatever sinister plot you're trying to get me to consider here, Vanity.

hmm.

i feel like you... didn't answer the question.

but maybe it's me, not you.

Sorry, I got off-track considering Pawn!scum.

1: He doesn't have to be right.

2: He's (maybe) town because he actually posted a readlist. Scum pawn tends to try to slide under the radar.

3: I don't think him being scum would impact my reads much. The point was to check against someone good, not against someone town.

Haven't the only two games you've really seen me scum it up been Witches and Thaumiel? IE one where I was mainly focused on subtle QT control and got shot by the other scum team N1 and the other where I was trying to blatantly play jester? Legitimate question about your sample size + quality.

Honestly I still think Thaumiel was a scum game from you.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:09 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:07 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:06 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:26 pm dom's entrance is okay but it's never alignment indicative i don't think

people liking him is weird

the fuck is this

That is fucking town, and I will fight you good sir if you disagree. :3

why are you answering for vanity?

also-- who the hell is eva? I can't find their name anywhere...

I'm Eva.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:57 pm Hi, Eva. <3

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:52 pm Hyena: ... I was going to back off my read here on the basis that the Epignosis thing was NAI if he's town, but it still must be said that his case on Spiny was utter bullshit. That kind of prank doesn't strike me as Town!Hyena. But his tone has been good otherwise, and he's doing the prodding thing he does when he's town.

Hyena: Can you explain what you were doing WRT Spiny?

So, the first time I mentioned Spiny, I was comparing her way of just mentioning me in her post to Dragomir's way of asking me about it directly. I liked the way Dragomir approached me about, and plus, I figured it might get Spiny's attention if I spoke up about it. However, I think I got sidetracked with something or someone else because I forgot I had prodded her until she spoke up again while I was around.

It was at that point I just figured I'd return to that earlier point to see what she'd say. However, I didn't realize she had said that she wanted to catch up first before commenting (yes, I didn't read the entire post, lol). I still wanted to prod her, though, so I just started being troll-y. That's where the "over explanation" and "fence sitting" stuff came from. As for saying she was townreading Pawn, I wasn't completely paying attention to her posts, but it felt like a good thing to say. :3

I already posted what I thought about the interaction earlier. Just to repeat, I did find it odd how eager she was to make me understand what was going on with her and what she was doing. I don't even know if she was scumreading me or not. If she was, I don't know why she didn't just tell me to shut up, lol.

Aight, cool, Hyena is town. Scum!Hyena would be having too much fun to explain the joke like this.

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention], [mention]Epignosis[/mention]: Put your votes elsewhere.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

... I guess a Pawn/Nutella/[Mac or Iaafr] scumteam could exist, but my gut is saying that's just straight-up not the case here. If only Pawn is scum... mmmmrrrrhhhh. Then Iaafr is the partner and they're pushing me to lynch Nutella? Nah, that's a conspiracy theory, I don't buy that Pawn could control me that well. Maybe Nutella's been pocketed? Sure doesn't feel like it. Mac/Pawn might be doing that and then TRing Iaafr because he's pushing a ML on nutella? Nah, that makes no sense, why push a mislynch on the person you've pocketed?

Maybe Iaafr/Pawn going after Elephant as the ML? The gimmick does make him hatable, I can see Pawn going for that. He wouldn't push Elephant directly, scum pawn tends to work through intermediaries... But Iaafr's push on Elephant is super halfassed. Did some other scum make an opportunity? Who started the wagon? 112. 112/Iaafr/Pawn? I guess I could see it, but I don't like that everybody in it is someone closer to null than scum. Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong.

I don't see whatever sinister plot you're trying to get me to consider here, Vanity.

hmm.

i feel like you... didn't answer the question.

but maybe it's me, not you.

Sorry, I got off-track considering Pawn!scum.

1: He doesn't have to be right.

2: He's (maybe) town because he actually posted a readlist. Scum pawn tends to try to slide under the radar.

3: I don't think him being scum would impact my reads much. The point was to check against someone good, not against someone town.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:39 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:37 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:13 pm Let's all vote jack then, since I'm clearly wrong about it.

The proper response to this is to vote for the person trying to deflect suspicion onto another.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I don't even merit a chart?

Nope, you don't.

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:26 pm

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:17 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:52 pm
Texas: Has a bad habit of not voting until the last minute, so their lack of a vote so far is probably NAI. Still gonna start side-eyeing them if they continue to not put their vote where their mouth is.

This is a very unusually large amount of shade towards me, disproportionate to anything I've actually done

Given I only started reading the thread today and idt I've expressed any scum reads both of Eva's criticisms fall very flat

Not really prepared to vote right now since I don't have a handle on the game state but unofficially voting Eva

This also isn't true at all, which now that I think about it Eva would know that I use my vote liberally given I voted her multiple times on WC1

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

ah great

is this another "mac doesn't post charts"

can someone confirm this behaviour of texas'?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:15 pm Are you people serious?

I missed that the game had started and I have 47 pages to read!?!?!?

Hi welcome to mafia universe

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:13 pm Let's all vote jack then, since I'm clearly wrong about it.

The proper response to this is to vote for the person trying to deflect suspicion onto another.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

... I guess a Pawn/Nutella/[Mac or Iaafr] scumteam could exist, but my gut is saying that's just straight-up not the case here. If only Pawn is scum... mmmmrrrrhhhh. Then Iaafr is the partner and they're pushing me to lynch Nutella? Nah, that's a conspiracy theory, I don't buy that Pawn could control me that well. Maybe Nutella's been pocketed? Sure doesn't feel like it. Mac/Pawn might be doing that and then TRing Iaafr because he's pushing a ML on nutella? Nah, that makes no sense, why push a mislynch on the person you've pocketed?

Maybe Iaafr/Pawn going after Elephant as the ML? The gimmick does make him hatable, I can see Pawn going for that. He wouldn't push Elephant directly, scum pawn tends to work through intermediaries... But Iaafr's push on Elephant is super halfassed. Did some other scum make an opportunity? Who started the wagon? 112. 112/Iaafr/Pawn? I guess I could see it, but I don't like that everybody in it is someone closer to null than scum. Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong.

I don't see whatever sinister plot you're trying to get me to consider here, Vanity.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:59 pm @Evenstar juliets tends to save her vote for later/stronger reasons I think, probably nai (light culture note here, some of us here on the syndicate used to play with non-changeable votes a lot so there's still some mindset of waiting to vote, but for the most part we've gotten used to changeable votes on the last few years)

That's useful information! Does the same hold for Michelle?

If this is the case, why are you scumreading Juliets anyway?

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:31 pm Jimmy has said I can let you guys know that I've requested a replacement for my slot.

NAI, just have RL stress kicking my ass right now and it's making this game feel more like yet another chore to get to and making me grumpy and stressed whenever I am here.

Have fun tho, and thanks for inviting me @MacDougall ! I'd like to come back and try out Syndicate games some other time, I like this place.

My final request is for there to be more thirsty gifs of both Ellen Page and Joseph Gordon Levitt. This is an Inception game, people, get your act TOGETHER.

dumbass read: only town makes this kind of sub-out post

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:54 pm I followed along a bit at work today. Just got home.

I think the biggest takeaway from the Eva/Nute dichotomy is that Jack is probably town. This is good, as I was ready to scumread him for a lacklustre opening to the game. But his angle on Eva/Nute seems way too much effort for a scum to take on a fight that, one presumes, involves one or two town.

Welcome to my town, Jack.

... nani the fuck?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:39 pm Is 112 is he or a she? They haven’t filled out their profile and have conflicting avatars.

They're a they.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:25 pm Whatever. I think Eva sounds fake. Watch out for her trying to change personas.

[VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

raised eyebrow

Are you even TRing Nutella right now?

aight so

I was in the middle of doing a re-eval when the nutella thing happened

so let's actually finish the re-eval and see if that affects my reads any

Juliets, Michelle: Both have two pages of posting but haven't voted. Major scumpoints for both.

Texas: Has a bad habit of not voting until the last minute, so their lack of a vote so far is probably NAI. Still gonna start side-eyeing them if they continue to not put their vote where their mouth is.

Trustworthy Liberal: Had a super wolfy pop in earlier that I forgot to factor into my read. Lurking, but that's pretty par for the course. Think I have him on the wrong side of null anyway.

Spiny Creature: Lack of a vote so far is NAGL, but doesn't wipe out my townread. Does reduce it a bit though.

Macdougall, Iaafr: Both Pawn and Nutella are townreading both of these people. Therefore they're both probably actually town, based on the principle that if two people agree on little else but X, X is probably true. I was already feeling uneasy about these reads, so this just confirms I'm wrong.

Elephant: By the same token, both of them are scumreading elephant and I'm not, so I'm probably wrong about him too. Which tallies given that I mostly don't want to engage with his taxingly verbose posting style.

Hyena: ... I was going to back off my read here on the basis that the Epignosis thing was NAI if he's town, but it still must be said that his case on Spiny was utter bullshit. That kind of prank doesn't strike me as Town!Hyena. But his tone has been good otherwise, and he's doing the prodding thing he does when he's town.

[mention]Hyena[/mention]: Can you explain what you were doing WRT Spiny?


So then does this make me agree more with Nutella or not

well, obviously it does because I moved three of my reads towards hers deliberately

but the activity information implicates TL, Juliets and Spiny, which moves them all towards Nutella's reads

I'm also very torn about Hyena, she could well be right about him being town

Ugh.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I'm assuming you're town for the moment. Give me your feels about Nutella and Hyena.

[mention]iaafr[/mention]: I recall you had a case against Nutella earlier for being "limp" and having bad tone. Did you have any more concrete accusations or was it just a toneread? While you're at it, what's your impression of Hyena?

Annnnd [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

and now I need to go to the university so I'll be away for like an hour

Nutella, please put together an argument that's not just calling my case garbage while I'm away

also I went through and looked at who had never voted

11 people have never voted.
Dom (0-Poster)
Dfaraday (1-poster)
Quin (1-poster)
LLD (3-poster)
Seline (5-poster)
Rej (7-poster)
Trustworthy Liberal (8-poster)

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Texas Cloverleaf (28 Posts)
Spiny Creature (30 Posts)
Michelle (2 pages of posts)
Juliets (2 pages of posts)

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:56 pm Is Pawn some kind of mafia god that always puts out accurate lists on D1? That seems unlikely

nah he's not that good, but nonetheless he's good enough to signpost by

I'd use Lexi or Nanook as well if either of them had fucking posted

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:50 pm I'm leaving my vote on pawn because this is just making me think he's bad and has pocketed you.

"This is incorrect because you two are not on the same team"

You were just saying that it's bullshit regardless of what teams we're on. Why are you acting like you believe it's true?

Let me just reflect some of your phrasing back at you, Nutella.

"such garbage lol"
"Give me a goddamn break."
"this is so egotistical"
"absurd charts"

Is this or is this not AtE?

Secondly:

"you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation"

This is post #2063.

I had already added a legend in #2049.

Why did you panic so quickly?

In fact, why did you immediately leap to the conclusion that I was going to scumread you when you had apparently only seen my first chart at that point? I could well have shifted my reads towards yours based on this analysis. Again, why the sudden panic?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

let me get this straight

pawn's reads make me scum

???????

*confused math lady*

The fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.

This is such garbage lol. Why are pawn's reads "correct" this is so egotistical. And sure maybe my reads are wrong, like I said I'm not feeling very strongly about a lot of them. Give me a goddamn break.

Pawn's reads are correct because he's good at mafia. The fact they largely-but-not-entirely agree with mine also helps.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 pm That'd make more sense in "Im wolf, and my teammate here who is also a wolf shares my reads, therefore you not wolf and are town"

I'm too lazy to go get the walter white gif but yeah no that's not how this works. Wolves are encouraged to be differently wrong so that coordination doesn't become obvious.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:41 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:26 pm can someone with more Eva experience (read: has seen her as town) tell me if these absurd charts are a thing she does as town or not

She makes charts all the time regardless of alignment. There's many things she does that are AI, this isn't one of them.

fair. I don't remember her making charts in wc1 though

they're usually too much effort when I'm scum

sometimes I do them as SoD wallposts, but if I'm having to manage wolfchat at the same time I don't usually have the WIM.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

let me get this straight

pawn's reads make me scum

???????

*confused math lady*

The fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:32 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:29 pm What program do you use?

Inspiration

No, that's literally the name of the program.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:23 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pm

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:51 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:31 pm

this diagram says I'm misreading this game badly somehow, 'cause either nutella is scum or my reads are shit

leaning towards my reads are shit

pls halp no speak

Arrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read

dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum

as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.

oh.

so because we disagree I have to be scum?

no

no, because I and Pawn agree, and you disagree with both of us, you're scum. Your perspective of the game is not a town perspective. That or Pawn's pocketed me extremely hard, but I've barely interacted with him this game so I seriously doubt that.