The Syndicate

Bussing roles are like strictly worse than non-bussing roles right?

This game illustrates clearly why It's a bad idea to have emotion in mafia games

Thanks for the game, everyone - I hope town wins and does well! You're all lovely people and I respect you all and enjoy playing with you.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:38 pm I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.
nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry
You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?
tracking doesnt alignment confirm you though, it just confirms that youre capable of tracking

thats part of the problem

though i kind of am townreading your attitude around these events? lol

You think Tony sat there and was like "alright, so the town gets a dayvig, a cop, a bulletproof, a nightvig. For the mafia... yeah, I think I'll give them a tracker. That should be balanced"?

Also I think you misunderstood my point - my point is that there are many games whereby a non-compulsive action would be randed, and you have to specifically inform the host that you are submitting No Action if you want to not use your action. Your interpretation of my alignment is based on a really specific (and wrong) idea about my perception of how randing works when someone doesn't submit a night action. Maybe that's how it works on Personality Cafe, but it certainly isn't how it works everywhere else, and you should not assume that I will believe that randing here works the same way it works on PerC or wherever you got this idea from.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:38 pm I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.
nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:45 pm I'm a Doctor on odd nights and a Tracker on even nights. I was away and didn't realize I would miss the deadline for submitting my night action last night, so Tony randed my heal onto timsup.
you forgot to mention you're compulsive?

I didn't realize I was compulsive until this question came up, at which point I checked the precise wording of my PM to figure out if I was compulsive. It says that I have to use my night action, so I take this as being compulsive. Obviously at the start of the game I didn't expect to miss a night action and I had no reason to expect a significant amount of town KP (nor would I protect someone that was likely to be KPed anyway), so the compulsiveness of the action wasn't on my mind as I planned to use my role every night anyway.

Anyway, this read on me is based on an extremely silly interpretation of how Tony is likely to deal with forgetfulness in sending in a night action. I still haven't heard a single reason why I would make this up as scum rather than just claiming a protect on tutuu or something objectionable. And I still haven't heard a single argument as to why Benson is town just because he pushed MR D1. Scum push each other D1 all the time. What is it about the specific way Benson pushed MR that makes him town?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:38 pm Alison's action could've been randed but that doesn't say much for her alignment imo. If she's town she's telling the truth if she's mafia a partner probably just sent it in for her and she's saying it got randed. Idk that it's particularly AI tbh
why would you, as the host, rand a doctor action in a game with town KP

i can understand randing the tracker action. pretty much no reason not to

but doctor is different

Because it's compulsive.

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:29 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:28 pm Perhaps I am just really bad at reading Alison.
dont worry noone knows how to read her

I can tell.

Again, regardless of whether you scumread me, it is game-theoretically incorrect to execute me when my night action is potentially confirmable. If you believe that tracker is not something the host would give to scum in a setup which this amount of power invested in PRs, then you should execute someone other than me and give me a chance to confirm my night action.

Also I don't know about tryhard but I definitely am putting much less effort into this game than I usually do. Also I have an action that is potentially confirmable so I suggest you park your votes elsewhere for this day phase.

wow tutuu's bad vote tags screwed up my own formatting when I quoted her, nice

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:21 pm now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison/[VOTE: ] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:
It is compulsive, I think. I'll check with Tony.

Also I'm going to be blunt and say I don't think pushing MR the way Benson did D1 clears him. That is silly logic. There are ways to push people that clear you from being W/W, like Hally did. Benson's push does not fall into that category.] aubergine] aubergine

I'm fine with tracking someone to prove myself.

Benson, why do you repeatedly accuse me of trying to widen by POE by including you when you've done absolutely nothing to clear yourself?

Benson is probably mafia for this silly attack on Amy. We should execute him or Colin first.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:18 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:16 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:11 pm Guys, it's probably that the town has one post-count modifier and the wolves have the other. Two villager roles like that just again, seem to easy for us.
Except I'm not technically a post count modifier. I can build you a soapbox to modify your post count with a small chance it will break every day you use it...or I can build you a (pretty sketchy) bullet proof vest...or I can build you a very sketchy one shot security system to catch a photo of someone if they happen to be killing you in the night that has a very low chance of actually working.

I'm contemplating building a nuclear weapon but suspect TSP will not allow it to work.
this isn’t a fake claim i don’t think

like i don’t think there’s any way tim made this up

he’s probably just town

amy is also town for the claim and also for being towny outside of it

i don’t feel the need to overcomplicate stuff when we’re in this position

30/60

I agree

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:17 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:16 pm I mean, I’m outed and the Mafia know my role so if you want to yeet me the town is in pretty good position anyway. Not the Platonic ideal of a lynch but if that’s how you wanna resolve me,
damn

i like the cut of ur jib here tho

maybe its alison?

did u pocket me again ALISON???????

DAMMIT ALISON

It's not me. Townshield me please

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:08 pm I think abovementioned might be a great way to discredit LC
Definition: you can out yourself as n1 watcher by asking LC something along the lines of "you're claiming to have been brokenvested Nutella visited you this night. Explain". Coukd be a way to mark you as towny.
Just a suggestion but feels pretty goodif we can turn it into a lynch

I don't understand what this means

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:59 pm There is no reason to incorporate "I forgot to submit an action" into my fake claim if scum. If I was scum making up a fake doctor target, I would simply claim I targeted tutuu or something else that makes sense with my thread reads and isn't disprovable. It should also be clear to you from my posting activity and tone that I've become increasingly disengaged with the game over the course of D1, lending credence to the claim that I forgot to submit an action. This is further backed up by the fact that the deadline was very early in the morning Singapore time. I went to bed last night at 10pm and woke up after the deadline.
ngl this just makes it seem even more cooked up

like you have all this reasoning ready it's....

anyway im halfway through my posts already looool i gotta step back and chill for a while

I'm a reasoner. It's what I do. The logic still holds though - you don't have to believe that the forgetfulness claim makes me town, but there is no reason to believe it makes me scum.

There is no reason to incorporate "I forgot to submit an action" into my fake claim if scum. If I was scum making up a fake doctor target, I would simply claim I targeted tutuu or something else that makes sense with my thread reads and isn't disprovable. It should also be clear to you from my posting activity and tone that I've become increasingly disengaged with the game over the course of D1, lending credence to the claim that I forgot to submit an action. This is further backed up by the fact that the deadline was very early in the morning Singapore time. I went to bed last night at 10pm and woke up after the deadline.

I'm Rene Descartes if anyone wants my character claim.

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:50 pm I mean, there can be more protection roles than a 1-shot doctor, certainly. Dizzy's soft was easily a misdirection.

Alison is feeling the walls close and widening the PoE by pushing for me all of a sudden.

I believe Colin's claim fwiw

I'm not widening the POE. My POE pool was literally the player list minus the cleared town minus my personal towncore.

linki: Hally I don't understand why you believe I would ever forget to submit a night action? Also why wouldn't I just claim a doc on tutuu or whoever if I was scum there?

I'm not super convinced by the "if I was scum with KZA I would have made him write a massive towncase on me" argument. Like even if that were a true reflection of your scum meta, KZA was basically sleeping the entire game so why would he listen to you?

linki: iaafr either that is the worst fakeclaim I have ever seen or you need to knock it off with the jokes, because they just confuse and distract everyone.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:43 pm I guess I should start writing that poem about why Hally is super shining town now.

Colin > Dyslexicon > iaafr > Benson > Werewolf Hunter

is my preferred execute order in the POE.
ur townreads are goat but pls stop with the d1 scumcases on town ali PLS

im def gonna sheep ur townreads in the future but yeah no more scumreads

I'm not going to stop pushing people I find scummy because I got it wrong in a couple of games. The vast majority of scumcases on D1 are on town. If you don't have confidence in my ability to scumread people, feel free to stop sheeping me in the future and evaluate the logic for yourself.

linki: Hally why would you believe Colin's claim but not mine

I'm a Doctor on odd nights and a Tracker on even nights. I was away and didn't realize I would miss the deadline for submitting my night action last night, so Tony randed my heal onto timsup.

I guess I should start writing that poem about why Hally is super shining town now.

Colin > Dyslexicon > iaafr > Benson > Werewolf Hunter

is my preferred execute order in the POE.

Oh, nutella killed and cleaned MR.

Okay, I'll just assume Hally/LC/tutuu/nanook/nutella are town, MR is scum, and work from there. That leaves the POE at:

Benson
coliniscool
Dyslexicon
iaafr
WerewolfHunter

linki: why did tim put out a fake green on MR? I guess giving extra posts to people is a townie effect and I'm willing to take tim out of the POE for that.

So:

Hally claims they redirected MR to LC.
LC claims his vest broke.
tutuu claims a red check on bob.
nanook claims a dayvig on bob.

Is this all the night action claims?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:16 pm hard claim town redirector

i redirected radishes to long con last night. radishes was mafia and i jacked his kill

GOTTEM

Ok, I believe this.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:22 pm i feel like all alison has done since i’ve been in the game is tunnel me

i don’t actually remember any takes she’s given on anyone else except me? but this might be my own biased view as the subject of her tunnel. would need to check her iso to see if that’s in fact true

idk i don’t think tunneling is really like... wolfy for alison? she can easily do it as town. but she’s aware enough of this and also definitely does it as wolf too when she thinks it fits her agenda

when did alison make that post like “sheep me on hally i will take responsibility for being wrong”? was that after the kza wagon grew? if so i can see that being powerwolfing but it also kinda seems twtbaw for alison idk

its hard for me to evaluate her knowing she is tunneling town nonstop but maybe others have a better perspective

No sentence in this post is true.

1) I have done way more than "just tunnel" you. My last two posts was literally about reaching out to people I trust to hammer out a consensus vote.

2) I tunnel more as wolf than as town. For an example of this: see my Space Invaders stance on Carotenoid where I refused to budge, vs Lion King where I flipped on Michelle and Jack Attack where I flipped on you and Funnygurl. Tunnelling is anti-town, which is why I do it more as scum.

3) TWTBAW is a fake concept. I often openwolf if I think it will help my cause.

4) Asking people to sheep your reads on someone you think is scum isn't wolfy and you should stop pretending that it is. Even if you're approaching this with the perspective that you're town, I obviously don't agree, so I have no idea why you think pushing you is scummy.

It's not because MR is scummier than Hally. It's because an MR red flip clears Hally. If I think MR has, say, a 70% chance of flipping scum, then by executing MR first I am giving us a 70% chance at getting important information for free. Hally would have to be an order of magnitude more scummy than MR for them to outweigh MR on pure scum equity, and they are not.

i agree with virtually everything bar small ordering differences in tutuu's readlist

I'm caught up. My towncore is tutuu, nanook, amy, proto. My POE is colonialbob, MR, nutella, Hally, in the preference order MR > Hally > colonialbob > nutella.

I don't think this is a good game for me to lead and I doubt I'd want to even if it was. I'd like to come to an agreement on who to execute with these four people, based on my preference order. [mention]tutuu[/mention] [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] [mention]Amy[/mention] [mention]protocultures[/mention] please let me know if you have any strong preferences or vetos.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:09 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:57 pm if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole
Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)
no, i can’t say why that or anything else clears me other than that having w/w wagons D1 usually doesn’t happen. i’m not a VCA type of player but maybe someone who is can explain why the wagons make it unlikely i’m teamed with kza

(also radishes is probably gonna flip wolf and then i’ll actually be cleared )

yes, I agree you'll be cleared if radishes flips wolf.

(also the reason I ask is because Space Invaders had W/W wagons D1, with like obvious wolf being the actual execute and the counterwagon being also wolf, so I'm surprised you'd think this clears you.)

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:57 pm if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

Can you explain why the counterwagon clears you?

(I know I said I'd go to bed but I never do when I say that, lol)

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:52 pm basically Amy Hally Nanook rabbit and nutella are now all in a similar headspace and I don't think it's exactly a wolfy headspace

agree

I feel very tired and will go to bed. Good night.

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:38 pm lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow
Which reaction are you referring to?
i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

That's what you're referring to?

Okay.

What makes it different from timsup's reaction in your eyes?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:38 pm lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

Why'd you stay on the Hally wagon for so long if you didn't really believe in the read? And why'd you go around calling Hally's posts fake?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:33 pm okay, do you what you want but please don’t shift the blame to me when i flip town

I don't know why you're so hung up on the "blame" thing since I don't believe in blame in mafia anyway (it soothes your ego, but it doesn't help you win games). I'll tell you what, if you flip town, I'll write a nice poem about how Hally is super shining obvtown and my reads are bad, and put it in my signature for hte next three games.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:26 pm This being some sort of lighter variation role madness maybe he does...and maybe that was the get out of jail free card he was leaning on...but how do you know it wasn't just knowing he had a busload of town cred coming?

IMO if he has a provable role he has a provable role. If in, like, two days he still hasn't proved his role then you can whack him then. Do you think mafia usually claims provable power role D1? I don't, and I think it's obvious if they fakeclaim like that.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:26 pm I can imagine developing a tinfoil that nanook did this to go deep if he is still alive a few days down the line but like.... idk how you can prioritize him over, like, radish at this point

Agree.

Benson, how confident are you on your read of Hally being scum (if such a read even exists)?

Are you a wolf Benson?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:19 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:16 pm Unless something convinces me otherwise I will be voting Nanook at dawn, just so everyone knows where I stand.
What is it about the way nanook approached the KZA exe specifically that makes you think it was a bus? Like even if your theory that KZA is letting the town exe him holds true, why can't nanook be town who jumped on an open wolf rather than a busser?
Because he played the whole day like he had a get out of jail free card in his back pocket.

He did have a get out of jail free card in his back pocket, yeah? He said he has a provable claim.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:16 pm Unless something convinces me otherwise I will be voting Nanook at dawn, just so everyone knows where I stand.

What is it about the way nanook approached the KZA exe specifically that makes you think it was a bus? Like even if your theory that KZA is letting the town exe him holds true, why can't nanook be town who jumped on an open wolf rather than a busser?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:11 pm im going to assume the wagon is pure for absolutely no reason

lets kill bob and alison or some shit
it could be, assuming there are 3 remaning mafia it could easily be three of radishes/dizzy/alison/colin/bob

you think 0 mafia bussed KZA in that position?

I can understand thinking some mafia might hide on the Hally wagon, especially if you townread Hally, but thinking that absolutely nobody bussed KZA at all seems weird.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:13 pm the way he approached the kza wagon was super awkward

especially the post that was like "if the meta is to yeet lhf then ok whatever but i'd rather have concrete reasons to call someone scummy"

tbf, that was my feeling about the KZA push until he beetlejuiced

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:12 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:10 pm alright well then

who da bussers
The one claiming that getting a scum read on an obvious volunteer buss bait makes him GOAT is my first choice.

How do you think that panned out? Do you think KZA just went into the wolf chat and went "Guys, I don't feel like playing. How about I just get myself executed D1 and you all can collect towncred"?

(I think nanook is town; I've seen him push people who are MIA the exact same way as town, and calling himself GOAT when his scumread flips red is very on-brand.)

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