The Syndicate

I agree that the reverse yeet could have been designed better, which tutuu even admitted was probably too much. Wolves could have crossvoted which I made pretty clear during the game.

I disagree massively that D4 was in the wolves hands. Two town votes vs 1 wolf vote means town was still in control, even if to a lesser extent than D1/2. Town had a 50/50 chance of flipping a mafia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:46 pm town could have won if they played good as opposed to playing bad like they did

Even if the town were good, the mafia would still have wiped the floor because we were such a great team

Damn, Dunya deserved the win as much as everybody else on our team!

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:21 pm The idea that I one time received 1/3rd of the required mana to upgrade my ability or that there were several townies with the ability to band together in trips to upgrade a single town ability does not disprove my point.

I gained twice as much mana from wolves as from townies, from which the idea that I should have found wolves based on who gave mana does not follow.

And again, this is coming from the pov of a townie that said prior to any night phase “my power is more useful if I get mana from other people.” And I was widely townread.

I’m not sure if I didn’t get mana because people missed the uncommon day deadline or they feared punish the fool or gave elsewhere or didn’t trust me. I think all of those things factored into townies not having a lot of night power.

And the town not having a bunch of night power isn’t an issue. I just think it doesn’t deserve multiple extra wolf kills to balance it’s strength.
i do believe that day 4 was basically f3 lylo, and town had great odds if jpic was chopped

I dunno.

I think even if I lost the duel, mafia still had really good odds because of the dishonorouble duel. 6 VS 3 and with no roles that could mess with us, we only really need another misyeet if maths is correct

you came close to yeeting me like three days in a row tho

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:23 pm I approach things not just as a player but as a game designer.

So the first question given this morning's mana a mana clash (I'm so clever ) for me is this: "Would a mafioso use an ability to make himself the only other name on the poll?"

The answer to that is "Hell no unless you crazy."

The second question I ask is, "Would I as a game designer give mafia an ability to transform the poll from anybody can die to 'Mafia has a 50% chance of death?'"

The answer to that is "Hell no I ain't crazy."

The third question I ask is, "Would a mafia member whose faction has this in hand use this ability?"

See the answer to number one.

I'm gradually gaining the perspective that this is all going to be a cautionary tale of "Just because you can don't mean you should."

The reverse lynch mechanic was almost certainly going to work against civilians.

This lynch mechanic may very well work against civilians.

JPIC has essentially forced our hands into choosing between them, which means if we agree with the answers to the questions above, we have no choice but to accept JPIC's decision on the matter.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

On the other hand, silencing is a pro-Mafia mechanic in almost every scenario, and I'm not altogether sure I buy the "There's a secret benefit to it." I don't even make civilian silencers anymore.

The fact is we've been dealt two names to choose from, and one of them is someone whose skill set doesn't make much sense coming from a mafia member. The other one does.

And at the end of the day, if we lose, I get to blame JPIC.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
If scumJpic ends the game with a free kill tonight I'm saving this as copypasta

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:54 pm Fantastic game, amazing attention to detail and balance and creativity and INNOVATION, this is a VERY strong contender for Best Racket this year. Phenomenal and inspiring, thank you so much tutuu. I have never seen anything like this.
T_T T_T T_T

Can I just how funny it was that none of you noticed how the pursue card for the marking has wolves in it!

I don't think the reverse yeet was that powerful tbh, but it could have easily been abused by mafia self-voting as mentioned. I almost got yeeted from it remember.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:23 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:55 pm If all the marks were fake then why would I bother using my gladiator ability? There is literally a card I win confirmed by the mods if the real mark is yeeted.
Makes no sense. Gladiator is basically a personal king me for those among us that are unyeetable. Marks be damned.

I can only use the gladiator role on the people I have marked.

The theory was that all of my marks are fake. If that was the case, why would I use my gladiator role for no reason and a higher chance of getting yeeted?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:14 pm @Justplayingitcool where's the reasoning on marking Urist, or did you type HK instead of Urist?

I real marked Urist because:

A) I was suspicious of the people who were crossvoting
B) I chose Urist because my reads have been terrible so far this game. I scumread Kyle and Marmot, and they both ended up being night killed back-to-back. I was townreading Urist. However, I thought 112 was wolfy so his association there looked like shielding which I didn’t like. I hated his read on you. I’ve been thinking about why the wolves kept me alive after wilgy and it’s probably because from my perspective I’ve been a valuable player for them so far.

I hated the below post because I disagreed with the read. HK felt towny during the Ted push and I think it’s rare for a wolf to do a yolo wagon at like D1/D2

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:14 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:08 pm @Justplayingitcool your dome with urist brought it up. We were originally looking at Enrique/LC with the whole leaf thing. Then Tutuu pinged us with a link to the Thunderdome post so we shifted gears to trying to solve between the two of you.
Oh? your post implied to me that you were both discussing me and Urist before the dome happened
Not as the chops for the day. Both of you have been independently discussed but not as a pair to solve within.
Epi entered chat most suspicious of you and 112. I entered most suspicious of Urist/112
TSP talked about you early in chat as well.

We didn't really start talking about where we think the chop should be until LC/Enrique started their leaf thing. Now that there's a dome we've been focusing on solving the two of you

Ah, ok. I thought you meant me and Urist as the chops of the day. But if it was just an independent thing then that makes more sense.

Anyway, I'm going to lay everything I have done and reasons why

N1: I used my gladiator ability to charge myself so I can generate a duel token. That duel token can only be used on the people I mark and during the day. The token has to be submitted before the Mana deadline.
N2: I real marked Epi and fake marked Guillo. I real marked Epi because I had thought he was outed with the ted yeet, and he was saved by scum. I thought he had w/w equity with marmot. Obviously, that went down the pan with Marmot's flip and Epi heavily implying he was the mason partner. I didn't know who to fake mark because I didn't really see the point in it. I chose guillo because that's who came to mind as the lion pics were still kinda annoying me.

During D3, I changed my mind on how to use the fake marking and instead decide to fake mark a town because of Enrique's post below. I wanted to make it clear which one was the real/fake mark so more attention would go against the real one, and the fake one ignored. I would have fake marked Epi but whoops. I was deciding to fake mark between HK/Jack, and I decided to go with Jack because I think he's been a lot 'cleaner'. I still town read HK but he has done a few things that were minorly scummy, so I trusted him less than Jack.

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Enrique wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:13 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:44 pm [VOTE: enrique] aubergine

I think JPIC and Wilgy might be as good a pool as we're gonna get (if Guill or Jack or whoever votes Mac).

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:46 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:03 pm @Epignosis has been permanently Marked! The mark is either real or fake. If the following conditions are all met:
-Epignosis gets chopped at any point during the game
-The mark is real (and not fake)
-The person who marked Epignosis is still alive
-The person who marked Epignosis has the opposite alignment of Epignosis

Then the person who marked Epignosis will receive the following reward during the night:

Elaborations:
-Fleeting means that it must be used immediately as soon as it is acquired. You can choose not to use it, but then it disappears

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@Guillotine has been permanently Marked! The mark is either real or fake. If the following conditions are all met:
-Guillotine gets chopped at any point during the game
-The mark is real (and not fake)
-The person who marked Guillotine is still alive
-The person who marked Guillotine has the opposite alignment of Guillotine

Then the person who marked Guillotine will receive the following reward during the night:

Elaborations:
-Fleeting means that it must be used immediately as soon as it is acquired. You can choose not to use it, but then it disappears
I think this was a town action to protect both Epi and Myself. A town action that would give the player vig shots if we died, I think this player townread us both and this action was a way to secure our survival, at least until mafia found out who this player is, or should we die, the player would vig shot suspects off our flips.

It gotta be because why mafia would spew Epignosis and myself town with this action? It clearly says right there that if the mark is real and the player who marked us is of our opposite alignment... never mind, OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT! God! I'm so dumb.

Ok so, it is a mafia action. So why mafia would spew us town just two get two vig shots?

What if one mark is fake and the other one is real? I know I'm town and I know wolves fear my PGO abilities and they need to get rid of me during the day? If Epignosis was not uncounterclaimed as Marmot's mason partner, I would believe that Epignosis is the mafia here then.

How?

Mafia decide to mark their teammate and me, they know they won't get a vig shot if Epignosis is chopped, so the plan is to spew him town with the mark and claiming he is the mason partner so he is actually not chopped!
Then mark me for real and get me mischopped, getting rid of the PGO and and getting a vig shot off of my death. Win-Win for mafia.

But Epignosis has not been COUNTERCLAIMED by anyone as mason, so epignosis is the other mason thus he is town too.

So why did mafia do it? they were counting on getting us mischopped eventually. They were planning to set us up so we'd get chopped ignoring our marks? How? They must be really confident about their abilities to get us chopped in spite of this curse placed upon us by them!!. Are wolves this arrogant? are wolves this stupid? If not. Then what's the deal? Is there more?

What if the action is from town but both marks are fake? Would this scare wolves off? Wolves need to reach parity and this action would not stop them. Nah.

What if the action is from town and he marked us both believing we were w/w? If this is the case, this townie needs one of us to flip to confirm their suspicion in the hopes of getting a vig shot (which in my case they never will). Further more, a curse is viewed as a scummy action if not claimed. If this action came from town and thought we were wolves, he didn't think it through because he spewed us town, we are not getting chopped, he is not getting answers and in their eyes, it would have helped wolves if we were mafia aligned. Would a townie be this stupid to use an action like this on us to get two vig shots? I don't think so!

I'm tinfoiling a lot here. What is the simplest explanation then? Who is most likely the marker? Town or Mafia?

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Two, I thought the silencing came with the curse but no, I was silenced separately. So I got marked and silenced. Assholes! I know you are doing your jobs but... you are assholes wolves. You precisely silence the guy who can't keep his mouth shut.

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If you guys townread Macdougall I can place a vote on him that will count as three, but then he gotta place his vote on me to save me as well.

Oh never mind, I'm out of posts... the next vote will be 11th post and I get shot. So the only way I'd attempt to save Mac is if he is worth saving.
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The curse mark says that if I get chopped (yeeted) then whoever placed their mark on me will get a vig shot, so don't chop me but if you ever wolf read me, day vig me, don't give whoever is doing this a vig shot by chopping me, or night vig me.. but then you'll die too. Meh

This is post #10
This is a good post. I had a couple of ideas that don't match this completely but I like the open thought process.

Here's what I thought: if I was a town and I had the marking power, and in this exercise I'm assuming one of the marks is real and one of them is fake because they came together and each has a 50/50 chance, I would have real-marked whoever I thought was bad and fake-marked a lock townie / someone I trusted. The contrast should've been starker anyway so if this is how it worked then I think the marker failed at making clear which was which. I thought Epi looked pretty good yesterday because of the whole mana donation thing, but he almost died so a bunch of people clearly thought the opposite. About Guill I'm just gonna say.... like half the notes I've taken on this game are about him, and I haven't arrived at anything conclusive, but I think it's good? lol. He's not clearly enough on either side for this to work.

If the marker is bad then it's about the WIFOM. They would want to use the power, so they would real-mark someone they thought they could lynch (Epi looked kinda easy before the Marmot reveal). It's also coupled with the reverse-lynch though so they have greater lynch-manipulation than usual. The fake mark is harder. It could just be someone to take the fall when the other one flipped civ (I don't think the host mentioned if the mark is revealed as real or fake with the flip), or it could just be hiding a teammate in plain sight. There's no easy answer to what's going on if it's this option, but Guill looks fine, and I wouldn't yeet him just for this.

It could also be a coincidence, they could be from two different players, they could both be fake, both be real, etc. This is why I wasn't sure if it was even worth talking about, like, if we're not gonna lynch them then how much does it matter? Epi is essentially a confirmed civ and there isn't a case on Guill, so unless that changes we should just worry about the other thing.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:08 pm @Justplayingitcool your dome with urist brought it up. We were originally looking at Enrique/LC with the whole leaf thing. Then Tutuu pinged us with a link to the Thunderdome post so we shifted gears to trying to solve between the two of you.

Oh? your post implied to me that you were both discussing me and Urist before the dome happened

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:45 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:21 am right, except that the marked people that day were sloonei and epi, and the added marks are now jack and you

So there was no way in hell Guillo/Epi were being chopped yesterday, yeah? Like I think we can all agree on that. So no way to earn vig shots for mafia in those two. They're never dying.
Having the marks today be you and jack again guarantees that at most they'll have you in contention for a mark chop. Worst case situation is the mark on you is real, you're town, and jpic is mafia and we lose.
Best case situation is the person we chop is mafia and the marker, yeah?
Would scumjpic know that Epi had no chance of being executed when he sent the mark? This was before Epi had claimed mason with Marmot.
You're focusing too much on what is currently happening this game instead of whether it makes sense from a design perspective. But let's be real, I don't think this mech discussion is very productive.

A question for you now. In the neighborhood, who was being discussed as the execution target? If jpic is mafia, I'd give a stern look toward the person who was being discussed as well as the people in the neighborhood.
you and JPIC are the two people we've been focusing on.
So unless there's a mole in the 'hood it's coincidental that it's the two of you being up for a dome.
I real marked Urist before any of you lot ended up in the hood together to discuss anybody. Unfortunately, I am not clairvoyant.
Same night, so IF you're a wolf and IF you're a wolf with TSP (b/c Epi isn't a wolf and I'm not a wolf) this could have been planned.

OK, but presumably you've only just started talking about Urist and myself this day phase. Who initially brought up Urist/me in the hood?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:45 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:21 am right, except that the marked people that day were sloonei and epi, and the added marks are now jack and you

So there was no way in hell Guillo/Epi were being chopped yesterday, yeah? Like I think we can all agree on that. So no way to earn vig shots for mafia in those two. They're never dying.
Having the marks today be you and jack again guarantees that at most they'll have you in contention for a mark chop. Worst case situation is the mark on you is real, you're town, and jpic is mafia and we lose.
Best case situation is the person we chop is mafia and the marker, yeah?
Would scumjpic know that Epi had no chance of being executed when he sent the mark? This was before Epi had claimed mason with Marmot.
You're focusing too much on what is currently happening this game instead of whether it makes sense from a design perspective. But let's be real, I don't think this mech discussion is very productive.

A question for you now. In the neighborhood, who was being discussed as the execution target? If jpic is mafia, I'd give a stern look toward the person who was being discussed as well as the people in the neighborhood.
you and JPIC are the two people we've been focusing on.
So unless there's a mole in the 'hood it's coincidental that it's the two of you being up for a dome.

I real marked Urist before any of you lot ended up in the hood together to discuss anybody. Unfortunately, I am not clairvoyant.

If all the marks were fake then why would I bother using my gladiator ability? There is literally a card I win confirmed by the mods if the real mark is yeeted.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:46 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.
you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.
what does this mean?
That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?
I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair
If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

I've already put damage on 112, your shot may be better elsewhere

I'm open to letting the neighbourhood council lock my kill in if I get the vig

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:30 am Could you not do it to Guillotine?

I could in theory, but that would be suboptimal and a waste of my ability.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:23 am And you didn't use this ability yesterday why, exactly?

And duel Epi who was literally town spewed from the Marmot flip nd heavily implied mason?

Engarde, good sir

You may be wondering why nobody was marked n1. That's because I used my other ability.

I have two cards where I can mark people and generate a duel token. I charged my gladiator ability N1 to generate a duel token, but it only works against the people that I have marked.

My name is Justplayingitcool, commander of the Armies of the Syndicate, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true empress, tutuu. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:41 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:38 pm And you would be correct with that observation. Like I said, it will become clearer soon enough.
As soon as we yeet Urist?

no, definitely before. eta in 11 hours

And you would be correct with that observation. Like I said, it will become clearer soon enough.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:17 pm Why didn't you use your ability on n1 jpic?

What makes you think that I didn't?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:56 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.
you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.
what does this mean?
That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?
I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair
If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

What's this all about?

All in good time

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.
you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.
what does this mean?
That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?
I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair

If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:51 pm[VOTE: jpic] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe
Why? Why?

If all three of you are town then there is one more wolf escaping my gaze. Who is it?

hollowkatt's push on ted felt towny. falcon I had been agreeing on most of the game, but I had lost confidence in the read because I had been wrong all game. Two of my biggest suspects were consecutively killed during the night (kyle/marmot).

We have mischopped town three days in a row. The sanctity of the towncore has probably meant someone escaped from the PoE and has defiled it. I think Urist should be in the PoE

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?

hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?
Why are the wolves allowing a confirmed townie to live?
Because he’s roughly confirmed as vanilla and there are other consensus townreads that presumably have abilities.

Plus doc dodge.

Plus maybe reads are being taken into account.

So I ask again. Is Mac shot because he’s right and wolves don’t want him to say why? Or is Mac shot because he’s wrong and wolves want us to sheep him?

our doc is dead

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?
Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.
Like we were in a world where the only way we ever yeet a wolf is if we correctly pick out two wolves on D3 after yeeting townies on D1 and D2 and where Dr Wilgy is town.

So basically, a world where a wolf yeet is just fucking impossible to begin with.

And his belief is that in this world where a wolf yeet is never going to happen, wolves cross vote and tie themselves together to avoid yeet at all costs.

Absolute nonsense.

[VOTE: Justplayingitcool] aubergine

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How? If the wolves crossvote it's literally fucking impossible for us to have enough protection to ensure that a wolf is on the chopping board.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?

And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Oh right ok well maybe I'm wrong on 112. Would still prefer to axe the actively-scummy hk first.

Why do you scumread HK?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.

This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:03 pm hello
yeet jpic

No.

hello

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:42 pm Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.

Poe should vote for each other.

Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.

Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.

Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.

Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.
I think the current configuration of votes is fine.

Hard disagree

I also asked Epi if he still wanted me to change votes and he never answered, so

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.
My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here
I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.

Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.

Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.

Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.

I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.

I apologise for voting a near enough confirmed town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:02 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here

i have never felt so unloved before

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:37 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:17 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:19 pm actually, i'm a hedgy bitch

[VOTE: justplayingitcool] aubergine

now that GoC is over (and everyone else is spoiled too) and i can talk about it, this is not town goc JPIC at all. @Justplayingitcool can u link me to a scum game in your past pls
lmfao

you've seen me play as town like once. How the fuck can you class a "town jpic" from data of exactly one. It must be easy to know what a town jpic looks like from having the TMI of modding the game. YOu're reaching as fuck

I doubt you will read it, but here you go

https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
so yeah, calm down. i'm noticing and pointing out differences. can i not do that?

actually, let me ask you: do you feel your play here is the same as it was in GoC?

thanks for the link, anyway.
You can point out the difference but to say this definitively is what a town!jpic looks like when your sample size is 1 is a silly argument.

Nope, it is not the same. However, I don't feel like it's a fair comparison because GoC was a month-long bonanza, and this game started while GoC was still ongoing.
did i say "this definitively is what a t!jpic looks like"?

i said, this is definitely different from t!jpic there. of course i have a better vantage point with spoilers, but i don't think i was reaching tbh.

anyway, i read your scum game.

You didn't have to say it. Your posts though were implying it.

You read my scum game? The one I linked? wow, you read that fast

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:43 am can i skip the epi/mac stuff or is it necessary to forming a read on mac?

What's your read on Mac currently?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:19 pm actually, i'm a hedgy bitch

[VOTE: justplayingitcool] aubergine

now that GoC is over (and everyone else is spoiled too) and i can talk about it, this is not town goc JPIC at all. @Justplayingitcool can u link me to a scum game in your past pls
lmfao

you've seen me play as town like once. How the fuck can you class a "town jpic" from data of exactly one. It must be easy to know what a town jpic looks like from having the TMI of modding the game. YOu're reaching as fuck

I doubt you will read it, but here you go

https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
so yeah, calm down. i'm noticing and pointing out differences. can i not do that?

actually, let me ask you: do you feel your play here is the same as it was in GoC?

thanks for the link, anyway.

You can point out the difference but to say this definitively is what a town!jpic looks like when your sample size is 1 is a silly argument.

Nope, it is not the same. However, I don't feel like it's a fair comparison because GoC was a month-long bonanza, and this game started while GoC was still ongoing.

@Epignosis

Do you still need me to change my vote?

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