The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:28 am i don't know that i believe wilgy's claim. I do think if a claim like that exists, it can exist alongside my role (and hally's - miss you @Hally )

i don't like that he initially said jpic went nowhere then changed his result

how does that work into the meta mac?

ily

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:42 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:14 pm i will be disappointed if at least ten ppl don’t die tonight

You were worth ten people

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:42 pm lock town: (i will never vote for these people)

hally (self-explanatory)
mac (self-explanatory)
alison (self-explanatory)
juliets (interactions w/nutella clear her, i don't read her as 3p)

strong town lean:
tutuu - (conviction on her read on me felt incredibly genuine, i doubt she would have this approach as scum/3p)
oddmerta - (frustrating/overly stubborn reads but tonally very pure and good interactions w/the flipped wolves)
poison - (incredibly pure tone and great interactions with the flipped wolves)

weaker town leans:
master radishes - (interactions with sprit imply that they arent teamed, the rest of their game has been invisible to me)
samu - (incredibly pure tone and that's basically it)
tonystarkprime/colin - (pretty good interactions with nutella)
dyachei - (tbh i don't find them that towny but some of their interactions with nutella are indicative of them not being partnered and everyone with meta on dyachei is saying this is their town game)

scummy:
drwigly - (weak interactions w/the flipped wolves and hasn't towntold)
Dyslexicon - (bad interactions & bad tone, would not surprise me if they were a wolf or 3p)
herm - (bad interactions with nutella. like, really bad)
JPIC - (seems transparent to me that this is scum that claimed to investigate mac because they realized they got caught visiting. i have no idea why anyone is townreading him)
nanook - (i actually find this tone slightly more towny than JPIC's but i feel obligated to put him in this tier because of the visit)
long con - (comparatively less scummy than the other people in this tier but hasn't made an impression on me whatsoever)
ted - (this one is probably unpopular but i cant think of a single thing ted has done this game that i would call towny. he just hasn't and i dont understand why he'd be so demotivated as town)
tim: - (i dont love his pushes and a lot of his posts feel like scum aggressively flailing. i do not tr him)

if i had to rank that bottom tier from least scummy to most scummy, it'd be:

long con
ted
dyslexicon
nanook
herm
tim
drwigly
JPIC

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:11 pm Hally is a Sloonei alt.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:07 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:42 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:38 pm the idea that i both watched and post capped mac is pretty lol though

i’ve caught two wolves and am very likely dying immediately. so i wouldn’t worry tim

I know. I also volunteered my song title which probably makes me vulnerable to who knows what, and have attracted a number of tunnelers that may well include a town vig that imagines themselves as the hero that stopped Tim's evil master plan so I expect to be having cocktails with you in spec chat where we can really laugh about it.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:05 pm tbh i feel less good about radishes than i do odd and poison so idk if he should be there. maybe one lower

Radishes is an uncountered doc claim on a night with no kill though. I kinda have to put him pretty high.

yea but there are other ways kills could be stopped. there’s too many unknowns for me to treat him as lock. he doesn’t have the thread presence for it. but i do doubt he’s scum. he’s just not like in the lock tier

True. The flip side is that no one has pushed him. If you were a doc (or jail keeper) who protected someone and might also have prevented the kill I know you wouldn't necessarily want to just out for a claim war, but wouldn't you at least be probing in Radishes direction here? Near as I can tell everyone just said, "oh, okay, so that's where the kill went, makes sense" and got on to other business.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:42 pm right the post capper. we assume its a wolf action?

what if its a town negative utility action by nanook or jpic and they couldnt have claimed it due to restriction?

what if its fake report from sprityo?

eh whatever

even if they couldn’t claim i think they would have alluded to it if either were town

and i don’t think it can be a fake report. that’s not what a report is really. report is like from an investigative i think. sprit was like a tailor basically as far as i can tell

Interestingly, you provide the perfect example. I've considered "post cap could be a side effect of being watched" and I know you are claim restricted...but I also trust that you'd have said things like "let's not get so wound up in this post cap thing" or supported people saying that it could be just a side effect.

I don't think the wolves sent two people to Mac. I think they sent one and the 3P is the post capper and that the post cap is also a mark for later destruction.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:33 pm You guys can have this one for free: I believe Dizzy hates being 3P and one time I loosely watched a game where he openly claimed what he was then just sort of slanked till he met his wincon.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:05 pm tbh i feel less good about radishes than i do odd and poison so idk if he should be there. maybe one lower

Radishes is an uncountered doc claim on a night with no kill though. I kinda have to put him pretty high.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:42 pm right the post capper. we assume its a wolf action?

what if its a town negative utility action by nanook or jpic and they couldnt have claimed it due to restriction?

what if its fake report from sprityo?

eh whatever

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 pm @dyachei I guess I'm somewhat afraid confirming JPIC is a waste because if he doesn't die tonight he'll die tomorrow or the next night. So I think I would choose to confirm someone new.

what if it could stop him from being killed at all? or do you think there's no point atp

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:14 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:10 pm oh hey dizzy how's it going?

Good, I think. I finished my other game. Still won't be able to catch up and stuff here. Consider myself on a break until champs, so I guess I have an actual slank meta now. You got two mafia. =p

Who's next, and is there anyone who needs "looking into"? I have absolutely no idea what's going on here other than Nutella and Sprit being yeeted.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:10 pm What's going on in this game?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm i didn't realize we'd have the thread open and I was at work when i happened to reload my syndicate page

I'm still at work, basically skimmed the thread to get here

I might just be a sucker but I kind of like jpic rn

still think tim is towny

if you had a choice between confirming someone like jpic or looking at someone new, what would you do?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm i didn't realize we'd have the thread open and I was at work when i happened to reload my syndicate page

I'm still at work, basically skimmed the thread to get here

I might just be a sucker but I kind of like jpic rn

still think tim is towny

if you had a choice between confirming someone like jpic or looking at someone new, what would you do?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:20 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:51 am The title Rogue in particular makes me thinks of stealth and thievery

It's interesting, I looked up Rogue on MU and the definition of the role is:

The Rogue may target another player every night and copy their night action, allowing the Rogue to use it the next night.

which is a stealth/thievery kind of thing. It just really doesn't make sense to me though in a game where we already have a role that can copy the abilities of the dead (MRs claimed role) but maybe I'm thinking about that wrong.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:38 pm The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Okay.. Uh.. Weird thought, but these percentages reminds me of tim, and I feel like this can easily be tim' s role and not what he claims. This makes more sense.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:51 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:48 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:39 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:23 am Oddmerta do you have any opinions on LongCon or Dizzy?

Dyslexicon is scum, useless trash, the sooner they are gone the better. I tagged them earlier asking who they were voting for and I got deliberately ignored me.


Long Con is ok, keep them around for the timebeing

tone it down a notch man

it's only game why you hef to be mad

I'm just trying to bait Dyslexicon into showing up and doing something

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:42 am That was supposed to say “and now we’re friends” but it’s funnier with the hanging ending

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:54 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:06 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:21 am i am like 80% sure mac doesn't actually have anything mechanically relevant to his assertions and just wants to lead the yeets before he dies in the hopes that he's right

but i will still look back and see who he wants gone first etc etc

Ted what made you think that I didn't have anything mechanically relevant to my assertions?

This just seems like an attempt to slightly undermine my credibility from a place of knowing more than you should. It's also strange that you state this before you even read who I was pushing etc.

When does the host ever tell a player “yeah so about 2 negative actions were performed on you”

It doesn’t come from a place of knowing more because if I knew 2 mafia of mine were visiting you, I wouldn’t have even thought about you lying about it, but more or less curious as to how you knew about it. I’d be putting myself in unnecessary corners when I can just push on how obvious jpic seemed at that time and it’d be more effective than directly dealing with your paranoia.

But it doesn’t even matter as it was mostly a joke anyway

Bullsuit, you are mafia!

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:03 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:56 pm poison has claimed that the mafia role cop has the song “nude.” if you are town with a NEGATIVE action (roleblocker, vig, etc) or a TRACKER or anything else you might want to target mafia with AND your role uses song names to work, target “nude.” again, the person with this song title is mafia

Hahahahahahaa

Playing this game as if people are outed is probably the funniest feeling you can experience even if you’re wrong

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:21 am uhhh I will tone down the activity btw but I'm here in case you need a second opinion even though nobody cares, etc etc, just @ me

doing my due diligence, my services are available if anybody requires them

theory : jpic is a role cop and between alison / mac / hally, the scum team probably decide to off one of them and then check one of the others in order to determine who needs to exit the game first

Idk if I actually believe that but felt compelled to contribute with something, so dwell on that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:57 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:35 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:27 am Is it possible that falsifying reports could extend to a fake post cap, mac? Idk if this is possible with whatever your role is or not, in a vacuum I’d say it might be.

the post cap should be entirely unrelated to sprit’s ability as i understand it

Nook's suggestion is incorrect.

is he trying to give himself an out for when jpic turns up not post capper? and then he can be like maybe it was actually sprit? but it’s actually nook? idk why he thinks that would work but gotta try something

Yeah that's totally what I'm doing, good job you caught me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:52 am I am suuuuper interested in your content right now JPIC keep going, I promise you I will not let your efforts go to waste.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:48 am So let's assume JPIC is mafia. His first inclination when pushed to produce content was to push against Juliets. Nutella pushed against Juliets. If JPIC flips mafia it strongly suggests the mafia genuinely think Juliets is the 3p.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:42 am Where did Alison say that Sloonei is the one that falsifies reports?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:42 pm i asked sloonei about sprityo's third ability and he said that the scum team do not control the content of the false reports - he falsifies them by himself, through a method he refuses to disclose. mac got a false report, so there is some chance he might be interested in this info

I don't super love that this question was answered by Alison and not the mod directly to the thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:45 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:30 am I still think, even though it's OGI, that we should be very fearful of the rogue. It is not often that a host makes a point of saying that it's town vs. mafia vs. rogue so bluntly. And he's made it pretty clear we just have ONE rogue too. 3p is likely to be far stronger when there is just one than when there are multiple 3p. It's possibly a demo man or something.

i definitely consider the rogue a huge threat. it’s just hard to know what to do about it now because it’s kinda impossible to hunt for 3P with so many players. idk how we catch 3P outside of mech. ig just keep yeeting not towny ppl but like if i was 3P i’d probably look like town. idk how others would play it though

Do you really not have tactics for 3p hunting?

I'll give you a hint. When you flip mafia that have good hunting skills, look at who they were adamant on.

Something like Nutella's push on Juliets is a big red flag.

no i don’t really have specific things i look for to 3p hunt because perc almost never has 3p in our games

Sorry if that question came across like it was belittling, I was just surprised. Makes sense though!

Yes as town hunting 3p isn't super complicated. Scummy people who aren't aligned with flipped mafia + who the mafia are pushing. Often mafia will have a role in their cabal that actually is a 3p cop of some description too so you need to be particularly looking at who mafia are playing weirdly towards.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:39 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:03 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:39 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:19 pm Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

Because of everything they did to undermine the towncore, and their attempts to convince people to give nutella their song name, and generally doing nothing D1?

im just pointing out he played exactly like this as town in the semifinals. he was very distrustful of the towncore there too even though we got a wolf d1 and another wolf outed through peek d2. so like, he can absolutely be this way as town. you can choose to decide what you want to do with this info, if anything

What is Tim's wolf game like?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 am The existence of a 3p gives the mafia who are prone to actually hunting an out for doing so. Look at who they push.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:30 am I still think, even though it's OGI, that we should be very fearful of the rogue. It is not often that a host makes a point of saying that it's town vs. mafia vs. rogue so bluntly. And he's made it pretty clear we just have ONE rogue too. 3p is likely to be far stronger when there is just one than when there are multiple 3p. It's possibly a demo man or something.

i definitely consider the rogue a huge threat. it’s just hard to know what to do about it now because it’s kinda impossible to hunt for 3P with so many players. idk how we catch 3P outside of mech. ig just keep yeeting not towny ppl but like if i was 3P i’d probably look like town. idk how others would play it though

Do you really not have tactics for 3p hunting?

I'll give you a hint. When you flip mafia that have good hunting skills, look at who they were adamant on.

Something like Nutella's push on Juliets is a big red flag.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:37 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:27 am Is it possible that falsifying reports could extend to a fake post cap, mac? Idk if this is possible with whatever your role is or not, in a vacuum I’d say it might be.

the post cap should be entirely unrelated to sprit’s ability as i understand it

why? alison said that the host (sloonei) is the one who falsifies the night report himself, not the mafia. he could have written literally whatever he wants. if macdougall isnt a visiting role then i guess its possible? altho if macdougall knows this is not the case due to some mech he can't disclose then sure, its not the case then, but with the info we're given its not impossible the post cap night report came from sprityo from my understanding

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:35 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:27 am Is it possible that falsifying reports could extend to a fake post cap, mac? Idk if this is possible with whatever your role is or not, in a vacuum I’d say it might be.

the post cap should be entirely unrelated to sprit’s ability as i understand it

Nook's suggestion is incorrect.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:34 am Can't spell tim without tmi

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:30 am I still think, even though it's OGI, that we should be very fearful of the rogue. It is not often that a host makes a point of saying that it's town vs. mafia vs. rogue so bluntly. And he's made it pretty clear we just have ONE rogue too. 3p is likely to be far stronger when there is just one than when there are multiple 3p. It's possibly a demo man or something.