The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:48 am I see 1610 was viciously taken from me

The snarky comment hit-and-run schtick has worn out its welcome. It's nearing the time when we're going to consolidate onto wagons, and you're going to be one of them.

@MacDougall I think I'd be most strongly down for consolidating onto Colin or JPIC today. I see you dislike nanook and nutella but I'm not as inclined to push there, and similarly I'll give trust in your read of sprityo as TMI'd town (it does make sense) and not push there today. Which would you prefer out of the two? Are you still stuck on Colin clear?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:23 am I do not know how to read tim. they are not being obv town or obv scum. I had reasons to scum read them last game even though they were town but this game, are they playing a little bit passive? I can't say it's entirely passive but idk they don't stand out much like last game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?

Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm JPIC needs more votes

i don’t object to this but i also wanna kill nut

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:41 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:46 pm Tell me more about this in a spoiler please.

Spoiler: show

nanook and Alison

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 am Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:26 pm just realized that juliet replaced into fallen prince. i would gth scumread her and i dont feel like explaining why rn

Let's not play this game.

I think juliets is just town. Catchup was good. Nothing amazingly standout but had a thread of town purity to it. I'm not going to gamble my life savings on this read, but she's done a good job redeeming the slot.

SPF is like, there are some reasons to read her town, but the energy hasn't come back yet and the un-asked for GTH is slightly scummy in a vacuum unless there's meta there. (Town just does whatever, scum feels more of a need to pigeonhole their reads so they can remember what those reads are and act in accordance to them. It simplifies matters for them when their goal is play-acting out the reads.) Let's say... still in the POE, but near the top of it.

Will catch up more as I go.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 am also i like those reads and agree with most of them. my notable disagreements are that i town lean radishes and tim. probably more so radishes. but i get why you see him as scummy because you don’t know his style. i also think samu has been pretty towny

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 am reads i am not wrong about

ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts

@sprityo please consider

MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate

TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:38 am Why do you townread ted, tutuu?

towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town

this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin

ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments

reads i could be wrong about

DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something?

HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town

JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell

MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy)

NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5

POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo

reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings

SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean)

TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game

COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainable

DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble

DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno

my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)

JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON

pls dont ask to justify my scumreads

my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"

my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom"

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:59 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:05 pm If by tomorrow morning I’m gonna read LHF as all town I’m totally buying into the Mac scum read being that he randed a good team

mac is town though. his meta is kinda obvious

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:57 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:00 pm [VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

idk poison said he’s not like g9 where he was scum so i’m sheeping that

also vibe idk. he seems chill

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:27 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm Okey, page 15.

And u guys will know a new term, the "samulist"

A samulist is a list where 50% of player are antitown. Easy to learn dont think

So between justolayingitcool, poison, macdougall and nutella have to at least two antitown if not, then I'll make a fool of myself again in an English game, and I'll have to stop bragging about the readings I do in my native language and learn to play like an avocado? Meh, I'd rather go for the glory.

Justplaying isnt genuine, acting like doenst care and have some red noob mafia tipical flags.

Poison is fluffing too.much and only going for some scumhunting when being pressured, also doing too much pocketing between fluffy post.

Nutella seems oportunistic and not to much focused in scumreading.

Macdougall is my gut read, also dont liking the momentum of how he change between active and reactive, rethinking probably is the deepwolf i can read in this game, cant buy the pointed post meanwhile being up. Is still probably he being the rogue cause i can see nutella, poison and justplayingitcol as budies together in some way but not with macdougall. So rogue or deepwolf can explain my gut read.

If someone ask me.to.forget these four player probably a will look into tim and drwilgy as prob mafias.

There are a group of nai at this moment like, herm, collin, dyslexicon, fallen... Probably i'm forgetting someone

Latest post of oddmerta let me some.good vibes, weaktown. Also want to interact with him

Staypositivefriend is between null to scum and scum to null.for moments, like some post can.be genuine and others oportunistic, i think i pointed some of the oportunistics ones.

Alise is going to hard with de towncore to be deepwolfing, also like hally in that core both are town read, but i have to say that the tuutuu early game was better than the last relaxed post in these pages weak town read.

Nanook, ted and spirityo are locktown for me for momentum Pressure and how nobody disagree A lot of vague arguments.

We are reading the game extremely differently however I think you are town and it would be good if we could align. It is unfortunate that you have no meta on me and you happen to be an independent thinker. It's a bad combination that generally leads to wrongly tunneling me while others are just reading me "oh that's just Mac".

Humm, let me bait u with a question okey?

Imagine you have two big suspects in this game, the only way you can lynch your second most suspicious is with the help of your most suspicious player.

What would you do?

I don't think I've ever been a situation where I had to plea to someone I found most suspicious to get someone I find less suspicious yeeted. I am just trying to get whoever I want to kill over and pushing for everyone to vote there.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:19 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:51 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

Just too much pages fluffing dear poison.

I know you are mostly a reactive player but there was a lot to say in these pages to react.

I'm skkiping a lot of thing that are asked or answered causa i dont want to spent to many time being up.

I'm fluffy myself hehahahhahah!

But I think I replied to this later, but I'm pretty fluffy day 1 and I like to do this no matter where, if I was to play on the moon I'd be still doing it. It's the best part of the game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:12 am @Samusamu btw i dont think there is a rule that u need to only speak in English. I would be completely OK with using google translate from spanish to english if you wanna make some spanish posts from time to time for the times you wanna make sure you express yourself fully and get your point across!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:09 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm 1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream

Wtf, okey, i have to tell u that u have a song.

Min 0:46

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO tysm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:04 am Okay so the whole Alison-Sprityo arc seemed to me rather t/t. I think I agree with Alison 's logic and points against him, although I do not like a few (e.g. the one where she said sprit is scummy cause he refused to scum/town read mac when Mac says he does scum/town read him as town.) but apart for a few I think I like their points.

Sprityo' s comebacks are rather very different than I remember in the only other game I played with them as town. Even so, Idk why but his tone and way of replying to Alison is rather very natural, bold and confident. If they do don't do power wolfing (I do not know his wolf meta can anyone tell me anything about it?) then I think he has towny posts and tone this game.

Tbh, I always feel like when I'm town and I know I'm town and someone is pushing me wrongly I often find it scummy as if they wants to frame me but those happen only in particular situations, and I end up tunneling them hard. although if I was to compare this to the current situation on Alison - sprityo (upto p24) I think they are probably t/t. Cause from their posts both of them seems pretty confident with their posts. I find it towny.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:15 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pm Okay, samu is not the powerwolf Radiohead mafia deserves. So pure. Lock town

I'm ambivalent on Samu. He seems to be approaching this game in a very blunt way, which is >rand town in my experience. But I also don't like the way he throws out reads like they're obligatory rituals he has to do, without real conviction in them or followup. I could just be biasing the latter because he's halfway through catchup and doesn't have much chance to do a followup though. But compare to eg. Hally's read progressions/convictions during her catchup.

I think Samu is fairly towny this game, his approach is sort of similar to the game I played with him. And he is actually trying to scum hunt and questions around. Although it would be rather bold of me to call him town without seeing his mafia play, but I think he has an overall towny aura so far.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:04 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:59 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:21 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?

How in the world could you possibly have “intuition” telling you anything about me with nearly zero posts

Poison scumming

Imagine calling poison a scum after playing with her in g9 and seeing the extremes of scumminess one can do. Lol. Anyways I see a lot of notifications from you, I'll be attending those. Oh btw!!!! Hello.. Also did you change your pfp to this one cause the other one never made others read you @Samusamu ? btw Herm is here as well ! And Master Radishes!! Hype!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:02 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:00 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:37 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:24 pm im tired so im just going to meme for today but ill kick into scumhunting mode tomorrow

Humm okey, lazyness is something townie but i gonna check if this is really true.

Up to this, can't see a real research, mafia credits to this dude.

did you not see my list of reads 2 pages ago?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:15 pm We have 29 pages of content but very little of it is influenced by wagon pressure so it's largely going to be NAI when you look for teammate indicative content. The mafia may be being forced to keep a steep pace but they aren't being forced to make plays.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:10 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:56 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine sorry pal but I gotta sheep sprit

Colin, did I miss something? I see you're sheeping sprityo but isn't there anything about Alison you can point to and say scum?

I want to trust Alison but she’s firmly in the can’t-ever-fully-trust camp for me unfortunately.

Strangely phrased sentence. It's like you are afraid of saying something too jarring like "I can never trust her" so you preface it with a lamentation to take the edge off. This is a mafia phrasing.

Yeah maybe

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 pm I also think it's absolutely whack that Nanook has held the vote he cast on nutella and when I was reading that stupid soup conversation in realtime I felt like I was watching wolves yapping away together.

The second part of this, yup

uh

guess colin is just openwolfing

maybe not all of mac's reads are trash

[VOTE: colin] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm Okey, page 15.

And u guys will know a new term, the "samulist"

A samulist is a list where 50% of player are antitown. Easy to learn dont think

So between justolayingitcool, poison, macdougall and nutella have to at least two antitown if not, then I'll make a fool of myself again in an English game, and I'll have to stop bragging about the readings I do in my native language and learn to play like an avocado? Meh, I'd rather go for the glory.

Justplaying isnt genuine, acting like doenst care and have some red noob mafia tipical flags.

Poison is fluffing too.much and only going for some scumhunting when being pressured, also doing too much pocketing between fluffy post.

Nutella seems oportunistic and not to much focused in scumreading.

Macdougall is my gut read, also dont liking the momentum of how he change between active and reactive, rethinking probably is the deepwolf i can read in this game, cant buy the pointed post meanwhile being up. Is still probably he being the rogue cause i can see nutella, poison and justplayingitcol as budies together in some way but not with macdougall. So rogue or deepwolf can explain my gut read.

If someone ask me.to.forget these four player probably a will look into tim and drwilgy as prob mafias.

There are a group of nai at this moment like, herm, collin, dyslexicon, fallen... Probably i'm forgetting someone

Latest post of oddmerta let me some.good vibes, weaktown. Also want to interact with him

Staypositivefriend is between null to scum and scum to null.for moments, like some post can.be genuine and others oportunistic, i think i pointed some of the oportunistics ones.

Alise is going to hard with de towncore to be deepwolfing, also like hally in that core both are town read, but i have to say that the tuutuu early game was better than the last relaxed post in these pages weak town read.

Nanook, ted and spirityo are locktown for me for momentum Pressure and how nobody disagree A lot of vague arguments.

We are reading the game extremely differently however I think you are town and it would be good if we could align. It is unfortunate that you have no meta on me and you happen to be an independent thinker. It's a bad combination that generally leads to wrongly tunneling me while others are just reading me "oh that's just Mac".

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:21 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:05 pm I hope to see something from colin when I'm back. Too early to form a read but idk intuition says they might be scum?

How in the world could you possibly have “intuition” telling you anything about me with nearly zero posts

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:52 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:16 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 am So avocados are scumreads

Wow, tell me more ..

Lets play a game with me:

who good player would you protect in this game right now if u can?

Who good player would you kill in thi......?

Who good player would you investigate in thi...?

I would protect Hally

I would kill Justplayingitcool

I would investgate staypositivefriend

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:33 pm Samu, old buddy, old friend.

Can you answer this questionaire for me?

1. Are you a wolf?
[ ] Yes
[ x ] No

2. Are you scum?
[ ] Yes
[ x ] No

3. Is Nanook scum?
[ ] Yes
[ x ] No
[ ] No Opinion

4. Is Nutella scum?
[X ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] No Opinion

5. Are you scum?
[ ] Yes
[X ] No
[ ] No, I am the rogue
[ ] No Opinion

6. Am I scum?
[ X ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] No Opinion

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:33 pm [VOTE: Samusamu] aubergine

let's go

what he's so pure though

I stanned him in g9 and I'm stanning him now

I actually agree! It was why I was townreading him at first!

But, like, his reads are so bad and disagreeable, and then there was that really, really weird accusation that came totally out of the blue of Mac being Rogue.

Has anyone else even mentioned Rogue besides that joke claim at the very start of the game? No, we've all forgotten that the 3P exists. We're focused on the town vs mafia aspect of the game. Not Samu though! He remembers Rogue exists. Rogue is on his mind, to the point where he rejects much more natural conclusions ("Mac is a mixed bag" "Mac is null" "I can't sort Mac") in favor of a real reach to call Mac 3P. I genuinely believe that this is a >>rand 3P tell, and I can show you a game where 3P outed their alignment exactly like this.

It would explain all the stuff I found confusing about him. He seems so agenda-less and his tone is so pure because he really doesn't have an agenda (or at least not the kind of agenda we expect from scum), and he really isn't trying to manipulate anyone. He's doing something completely different from the war between town and scum. He's giving reads like they're obligatory, because he isn't really invested in solving. They're bad reads because he doesn't put thought into them and he doesn't follow up on them, but they aren't constructed to feed a certain narrative or undermine certain players because he genuinely doesn't care.

To me this read makes a lot of sense and it ties all the threads of Samu's behavior together neatly. I'd really like to sit on this wagon and see how far I can ride it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:56 pm I continue to have problems with getting a good read on dyachei. They've posted quite a bit now and are still null for me. Is anyone here good at reading dya?

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:53 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:51 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

Just too much pages fluffing dear poison.

I know you are mostly a reactive player but there was a lot to say in these pages to react.

I'm skkiping a lot of thing that are asked or answered causa i dont want to spent to many time being up.

You can at least skip the first 1-7 pages. Only fluff I think.

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:52 pm Hey Samu! How are you?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:27 am nutella is...

...probably town.

I think if I was scum here I'd be freaking out because half the playerlist has just confirmed themselves town and I have no viable misexes. I expect to see desperation and attempts to undermine the towncore, not an immediate response of "yeah I agree with most of these reads".

12 players confirmed, 10 to go.

This feels like a bait for me, do you actually still think the same?

This feels crazy but I want to townread Samu off this. I don't know if it's English not being his native language causing him to use unorthodox turns of phrase, but I feel like the use of the word bait here strongly indicates that he felt it was some kind of provocation or (intentionally?) controversial idea by me to post that nutella is town. That makes no sense, especially since I wouldn't even know he was going to scumread nutella at the time I made that post.

But.

Do mafia often think that town is trying to provoke them by doing this? Like if he's mafia he knows what nutella is. He knows I'm town. If he sees me reading nutella town he's just going to think "oh, this is a townie townreading another townie" (or, if I am bad at the game, he might think "oh, this is a townie townreading my wolf buddy, great"). He's not gonna come anywhere close to viewing it as a provocation or trap or anything like that. It only makes sense if he's town and feels provoked by me townreading nutella because he genuinely thinks she's obvscum and anyone voting her must be trolling or doing something spicy.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:15 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pm Okay, samu is not the powerwolf Radiohead mafia deserves. So pure. Lock town

I'm ambivalent on Samu. He seems to be approaching this game in a very blunt way, which is >rand town in my experience. But I also don't like the way he throws out reads like they're obligatory rituals he has to do, without real conviction in them or followup. I could just be biasing the latter because he's halfway through catchup and doesn't have much chance to do a followup though. But compare to eg. Hally's read progressions/convictions during her catchup.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:57 pm Does sprityo have the sheer cojones to hard thunderdome consensus town when under pressure as wolf?

I think no.

Does sprityo have the desperation required to hard thunderdome consensus town when under pressure as wolf?

...maybe? But it would be a weird time to do it now, and not while Mac was calling him out.

IME big ass walls filled with quotes and line by line analysis occur when someone really wants someone else killed and wants to get everyone else on board for real. Hard to see wolf sprityo picking me as the D1 misexe. It would be more on brand for him to try to throw someone else under the bus and float to the top of the POE.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:39 pm Secretly I think Sprit may be reading this game better than anyone else.

Or maybe that's not right. But I do think we've reached a critical mass of town clears for such a large game. Red lights are flashing. A breach has occurred in the outer perimeter. The wolves are in.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not convinced the happy bouncy totes adorbs crew of Ali-Hally-Tutuu-friend is entirely clean, or maybe rather that the Just-ted-yos getting pushed are anything but independent townies getting boxed out into mischop territory, but also it's too early to worry about such things and I really just want to put these words on record for future cred.

I think I'm supposed to be good at this game but sometimes I wonder who decided that.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:37 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:24 pm im tired so im just going to meme for today but ill kick into scumhunting mode tomorrow

Humm okey, lazyness is something townie but i gonna check if this is really true.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm 1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:25 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:23 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:17 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:17 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:14 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:12 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:10 pm @tedxtr

did you see my response?

I'll try going through it once again, I didn't really get it for the most part

I know I didn't do a super good job explaining it. I was trying to explain what are mostly nebulous thoughts about tim. I tend to gut read on d1 more than nail someone down as one thing or the other unless they're being super obvious like mac and tutuu.

basically I think tim looks at a lot of possibilities and tunnels on the one he finds most believable. I don't think the mix of omgus/read on odd is out of either range.

so basically completely null?

at this point, yes

Idk I've heard about Tim being an amazing wolf and I'm kinda stuck on whether he'd actually do that as a wolf

but I've learnt to not go anything beyond level 1 wifom stuff and if it felt wolfy, then stick with it type of play, trying not to outlevel myself into town reading him when his tunnel was actually scummy to me, you know

I've played with Tim and he seemed to have actual reasonings behind his tunnels for the most part whereas this looked like it was started for next to no reason

Sometimes a good reason just isn't available and we have to make do with what we have.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:01 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:49 pm Oh also keep in mind Samu isn't a native speaker and may be struggling to read up. I recall him mentioning in G9 finding it slow going at times due to this.

When he gets here let him know nothing before his arrival is worth reading.

We are clearly falling hopelessly to Samusamu's powerwolfing.

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 pm Tdlr, who the hell is Telemundo lmao?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:19 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:16 pm Very rough reads so far based on only feelings:

Town:

Nutella
McGyver

Scum:

Nanonino

hahahahahahaha okay you're town

I assume the three names are nutella, Mac and Nanook, and this readslist is like wacky enough that I can't believe it was forced or planned in any way, or written to conform to an agenda. This is legit someone just tossing stuff off the top of their head.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:29 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:34 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

are you someone who likes being town or scum more? i forget

I love being town ! as scum I get either bussed day 1 or get carried. i think my meta can be well explained by @tedxtr if you want. I don't think you should trust someone's self meta?

ok then you’re probably just town on vibe alone

I think your progression on my read is rather natural than tututu. but trust me you do not have to rely on vibes alone, cause I think you'd be able to read me as the game progresses.

somehow I am not getting the vibe on tututu as town. @tutuu we barely interacted, why am I on your town list?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:36 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:35 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:29 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:34 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

are you someone who likes being town or scum more? i forget

I love being town ! as scum I get either bussed day 1 or get carried. i think my meta can be well explained by @tedxtr if you want. I don't think you should trust someone's self meta?

ok then you’re probably just town on vibe alone

I think your progression on my read is rather natural than tututu. but trust me you do not have to rely on vibes alone, cause I think you'd be able to read me as the game progresses.

somehow I am not getting the vibe on tututu as town. @tutuu we barely interacted, why am I on your town list?

cuz u seem like u'd be a terrible liar

I see why they call you town. although i don't know if i should sheep their reads yet.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:31 pm Yeah Hally my general point is that it's very easy to feel intimidated as wolf and just lowpost when you see town have this much energy and make reads at so rapid a pace. And it wouldn't even be wrong because one of the best strategies to combat a bunch of town finding each other early on is to just do nothing, let the game stagnate as they pick off the active posters in the POE first because of recency bias and then fall apart into squabbling because they start to suspect a deepwolf amongst themselves and nobody wants to be the one to say "okay, let's gun down the afks". That's one of the best ways to beat a pure towncore that finds itself very early, so I'm comfortable with saying "maybe the mafia are just all in the lurkers".

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:40 am [Super Town]
Alison
Oddmerta
MacDougall
Master Radishes
tutuu
Timsup2nothin
Poison Chan
Hally

[Town]
Wilgy
Herm
nanook
nutella
tedxtr

[Whatever Hally reads them as]
Dizzy
SPF

[???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu

[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo

Slowly moving to the phase where the ??? is going to get renamed to "upper POE" and the Mafia section is going to get renamed to "lower POE" because I feel really good about these townreads and this towncore tbh

good list for now

at some point i’ll reread herm and nut to see if i agree there but i don’t remember feeling like they were towny

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:07 pm alright

town:
tutuu
mac
odd
alison
hally
JPIC
poison
tedxtr

towny:
drwilgy
dizzy
master radishes
nanook
timsup2nothing

dunno:
colin
dyachei
fallen prince
herm
long con
nutella
samusamu
spirityo
spf

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:05 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:34 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 am I cannot believe how my mood matches my avatar! I'm gonna take a little walk.

are you someone who likes being town or scum more? i forget

I love being town ! as scum I get either bussed day 1 or get carried. i think my meta can be well explained by @tedxtr if you want. I don't think you should trust someone's self meta?

I have played mafia for more than a decade and I know of literally 2 players in all of my experience and history playing mafia who will intentionally lie about their self meta as scum in order to get an advantage. Everyone else was either too honorable to do it, or felt that they would be caught too easily from someone who has experience with them calling them out, or some paranoid townie doing a meta trawl.

(The funny part is, both players are in this game.)

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:23 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:19 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 am i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy

but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!

if anyone doesn’t have tutuu as lock town by the time i finish catching up you’re mafia

yes me. I don't understand why is she so towny? is this meta? Idk I find her tone a bit fabricated or way too sweet?

Tutuu is town because they had a prior townread on me and I am trying to pocket

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 amRe: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!

Lol tutuu is actually scum.

That's Nanook and Tutuu down.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.